Why is everyone so scared of President Obama?

[Flamingboat]

I mean really, I want to know. If you are rich or poor now, you will be the same under Obama. What's the big deal? I mean don't worry, congress will NEVER let Obama give you any free health care or a higher minimum wage. So what's all the fuss about?

[CCIP]

Um, if "everyone" is so scared, why is he leading in opinion polls? :hmm:

Alternative answer: cause his middle name is the same as the ex-Ace of Spades' last name? :88)

[SUBMAN1]

President Obama? Excuse me? Try Senator Obama.

Besides, not only do you know nothing about him (He has never passed a major peice of legislation in his life), but he is hiding his past like no one I've ever seen before, and is taking it so far that you can't even use his middle name!

So what do you have there huh? You can't even tell me.

Some people need to get a clue.

-S

[Sea Demon]

Obama is frightening for the things he is on record supporting and saying in the past. Plus there are many things in question like his citizenship, donations (from foreign sources), his religion and others he has yet to clarify. And his role in the financial blunders doesn't instill confidence in me his ability to lead us out. Much at stake, yet this guy couldn't think himself out of a wet paper bag. If you're not scared of this guy, you ain't paying attention, or you have no stake in thuis country at all. Good luck to you.

[Flamingboat]

If you're not scared of this guy, you ain't paying attention, or you have no stake in thuis country at all. Good luck to you.

I'm not afraid, I'm a liberal, we aren't driven by fear.

[Flamingboat]

Um, if "everyone" is so scared, why is he leading in opinion polls? :hmm:



Well when I said everyone I meant the large number of right wingers on this forum. I get a kick out of these forums, I don't meet right wingers in my day to day life. My tax bracket is too high.

[Sea Demon]

I'm not afraid, I'm a liberal, we aren't driven by fear.

No you're driven by vitriol and empty rhetoric..

[Sea Demon]

My tax bracket is too high.

Or do you mean your wife's tax bracket?

[Flamingboat]

I'm not afraid, I'm a liberal, we aren't driven by fear.

No you're driven by vitriol and empty rhetoric..

Vitriol? Liberals are not angry I assure you, especially not now, we are about to drop McLame like a sack of potatoes and the whole world knows it. Our morale is quite high.

[Flamingboat]

My tax bracket is too high.

Or do you mean your wife's tax bracket?

Pfft, work is for suckers. :p

[Sea Demon]

Pfft, work is for suckers. :p

Well, I can certainly see why you are a liberal....:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

[Flamingboat]

Pfft, work is for suckers. :p

Well, I can certainly see why you are a liberal....:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

I tried working, just wasn't for me. I mean come on, I have to work my ass off to get to sugar candey mountian, err, I mean heaven. Who really believes that crap.

All kidding aside, I worked when I had to. I don't have to now, so I don't.

[Sea Demon]

I tried working, just wasn't for me. I mean come on, I have to work my ass off to get to sugar candey mountian, err, I mean heaven. Who really believes that crap.

All kidding aside, I worked when I had to. I don't have to now, so I don't.
OK. So you make the perfect liberal. I understand what motivates you now. Enjoy your free ride. When your wife eventually dumps your lazy behind, you're screwed. :lol:

[SUBMAN1]

I tried working, just wasn't for me. I mean come on, I have to work my ass off to get to sugar candey mountian, err, I mean heaven. Who really believes that crap.

All kidding aside, I worked when I had to. I don't have to now, so I don't.

This explains a lot. Hand out city.

-S

[Flamingboat]

OK. So you make the perfect liberal. I understand what motivates you now. Enjoy your free ride. When your wife eventually dumps your lazy behind, you're screwed. :lol:

You would get along really well with my mom, she says the same thing. Of course it's not called being a lazy bum when you don't have to work.

[Flamingboat]

This explains a lot. Hand out city.

-S

You can go marry a girl woth money too, this is America!

[SUBMAN1]

As they say... when you're young, you have no heart if you are not a liberal, and when your old, you have no brain if you are a not a Conservative.

Such very true words.

-S

[Sea Demon]

You would get along really well with my mom, she says the same thing. Of course it's not called being a lazy bum when you don't have to work.

I think it would be accurate to describe you as unmotivated, and perhaps disdainful of working for a living. Where I come from, one can equate that with being lazy.

[SUBMAN1]

You can go marry a girl woth money too, this is America!I don't need to. I make my own. My friends followed you advice however. They are all divorced and broke. With your attitude, I'm sure you will join that club.

-S

[Frame57]

This "Messiah" hangs with Jeremiah, Louis and Bill...Hmmmm! The nuts do not fall far from the tree.

[Flamingboat]

I don't need to. I make my own. My friends followed you advice however. They are all divorced and broke. With your attitude, I'm sure you will join that club.

-S

So tell me, how many marriage proposals have you had to turn down? I know you can't see me, but I am good looking and in shape. As you know, pretty people don't need money in this country.

[Digital_Trucker]

I don't need to. I make my own. My friends followed you advice however. They are all divorced and broke. With your attitude, I'm sure you will join that club.

-S
So tell me, how many marriage proposals have you had to turn down? I know you can't see me, but I am good looking and in shape. As you know, pretty people don't need money in this country.

I call BS. This guy can't be for real:D

[Sea Demon]

I call BS. This guy can't be for real:D

I agree. Total fraud. :lol:

[Frame57]

I don't need to. I make my own. My friends followed you advice however. They are all divorced and broke. With your attitude, I'm sure you will join that club.

-S

So tell me, how many marriage proposals have you had to turn down? I know you can't see me, but I am good looking and in shape. As you know, pretty people don't need money in this country.Show me a stripper who is charitable with her wares and I will believe your statement...:D

[Flamingboat]

I don't need to. I make my own. My friends followed you advice however. They are all divorced and broke. With your attitude, I'm sure you will join that club.

-S

So tell me, how many marriage proposals have you had to turn down? I know you can't see me, but I am good looking and in shape. As you know, pretty people don't need money in this country.Show me a stripper who is charitable with her wares and I will believe your statement...:D

Strippers aren't the only girls who can make money. There was this thing called the feminist movement, girls can be docs and lawyers now.

[Flamingboat]

I call BS. This guy can't be for real:D

What, you act like you have never met a himbo before.

[Frame57]

I call BS. This guy can't be for real:D

What, you act like you have never met a himbo before.Yeah, but it is all about the money. No?

[Flamingboat]

Yeah, but it is all about the money. No?

No, we were both poor undergrads when we met. Now it's our running joke.

[Zachstar]

It does not matter because even McCain has said that there is nothing to fear from an Obama Presidency.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kf6YKOkfFsE

It's over. The fear card is broken.

[Takeda Shingen]

I'm not afraid, I'm a liberal, we aren't driven by fear.

No you're driven by vitriol and empty rhetoric..
Now there is a candidate for SubSim's 2008 Ironic Statement of the Year.

[Digital_Trucker]

I call BS. This guy can't be for real:D
What, you act like you have never met a himbo before.
The "himbo" part isn't the problem. It's the total ignorance and conceit that bother me most. But that's just the way I see it, so don't worry your rich, goodlooking, buff self about it.

[baggygreen]

I almost wonder if flamingboat is stealth hunter playing fakey-internet persona again...

but i really doubt it.

I obviously can't vote in you yanks' election, but down here, we've already seen a newly elected leader for the past 12 months who is full of talk. He's done nothing significant for the people of this country and done pleny of purely symbolic and potentially costly things for little reason other than to get himself on tv. He came in promising change, and just over half the country believed him. Only thing to change since then is his mind. We simply dont know what he's up to anymore because he backflips every couple of days. Hell, he spends more time outta the country than in it!

We voted in a youthful, energetic, inexperienced person for the sake of a petty slogan (kevin07 - damn compulsory voting for under 30s). We got a phony, a dud who promises the world but delivers nothing.

Hate to see you yanks go down the exact same path.

[Flamingboat]

so don't worry your rich, goodlooking, buff self about it.

Don't worry, I won't, especially not before a latte. I'm only rich in comparison to my working class background. Trust me I am no Rockefeller, but considering where I came from, I might as well be.

[Biggles]

President Obama? Excuse me? Try Senator Obama.

Besides, not only do you know nothing about him (He has never passed a major peice of legislation in his life), but he is hiding his past like no one I've ever seen before, and is taking it so far that you can't even use his middle name!

So what do you have there huh? You can't even tell me.

Some people need to get a clue.

-S



Uhh.....does it matter what he tells about his past? If McCain wants to talk about his years in 'Nam, fine by me, but I don't understand why Obama must talk about his past when the election is in the future, and the future is, at the current time, not very bright, so concentrate on what's ahead instead of behnind maybe?

(Non-American and takes no responsibility in the coming election and it's consequences.)

[Kapt Z]

I almost wonder if flamingboat is stealth hunter playing fakey-internet persona again...

but i really doubt it.

I obviously can't vote in you yanks' election, but down here, we've already seen a newly elected leader for the past 12 months who is full of talk. He's done nothing significant for the people of this country and done pleny of purely symbolic and potentially costly things for little reason other than to get himself on tv. He came in promising change, and just over half the country believed him. Only thing to change since then is his mind. We simply dont know what he's up to anymore because he backflips every couple of days. Hell, he spends more time outta the country than in it!

We voted in a youthful, energetic, inexperienced person for the sake of a petty slogan (kevin07 - damn compulsory voting for under 30s). We got a phony, a dud who promises the world but delivers nothing.

Hate to see you yanks go down the exact same path.

After the last 8 years?????:doh: He can at least BS us with correct English! :know:

[Digital_Trucker]

After the last 8 years?????:doh: He can at least BS us with correct English! :know:
If you're referring to Barry O as being able to BS us with correct English, you're sadly mistaken. I suppose you haven't listened very closely to his speeches. For such an educated person, he sure starts a lot of sentences with "We gotta". Hardly proper English. Sounds more like the hip-hop crowd from Chicago.:yep:

[Rockin Robbins]

Write it down. To quote Spock, "After a time, you may find that having is not so pleasing a thing, after all, as wanting. It is not logical, but it is often true."

Obama is not to be feared unless you are a liberal, any more than Jimmy Carter was to be feared. An Obama presidency will only open the eyes of a sometimes intelligent people and cause them to make the right choice next time. Sometimes you have to pay the price to learn. We aren't willing to pay the price of victory, so we will pay the price of wishful thinking, THEN we will willingly pay the price of victory, with our liberals leading the way. We can readily afford it both ways. It will just cost more sons, brothers, daughters, sisters, fathers and mothers this way. Just think of it as effective population control. It's green!

[Rockin Robbins]

After the last 8 years?????:doh: He can at least BS us with correct English! :know:
If you're referring to Barry O as being able to BS us with correct English, you're sadly mistaken. I suppose you haven't listened very closely to his speeches. For such an educated person, he sure starts a lot of sentences with "We gotta". Hardly proper English. Sounds more like the hip-hop crowd from Chicago.:yep:
The "we gotta" stuff is just posturing. He is an overeducated elitist, trying to hide the fact that he has contempt even for his own supporters long enough to score. When he wins the disadvantaged who propel him to victory will be hurt the most.

Anybody around here employed by a homeless person? Or are you employed by targets of the Obama form of income redistribution. Let me know how that works out.

In the meantime, I worked for $134.98 a week for almost ten years, during which time I saved $7,500 for a piece of property. I used that property as security for a contractor to build me the shell of the house I live in now, financing less than $15,000. Paying $230 a month for 20 years I was a homeowner for little enough that I could beg on the street to live. Whenever I had the money I and my wife paid cash for finishing different parts of the inside. It was a several year project. Three years ago we made our last payment. A house and two cars free and clear. I have sufficient savings, earned from zero, not to worry no matter what happens. I'm not afraid of whatever transpires. I can afford short term or long term failure of the electorate to understand economics. It is the poor young people who are being led to the slaughter by foolish but seductive fallacies from a person they trust. Sadder, wiser and conservative young people will be the result.

Your prosperity will never come from government. Any that you have will be the result of sacrifices you are willingly making in your own life.

[Flamingboat]

He is an overeducated elitist

What a redneck statement, there is no such thing as being overeducated. Would you turn down the doctor who was about to do your heart surgery if he was "overeducated?" I think not.

[donut]

Other than Obama,is a useless piece of gear,with no stewardship.no fear,American's are smarter."you can take the boy out of the woodpile,but you can't take the woodpile out of the boy."

[Rockin Robbins]

He is an overeducated elitist
What a redneck statement, there is no such thing as being overeducated. Would you turn down the doctor who was about to do your heart surgery if he was "overeducated?" I think not.

You are overeducated when your education is not of knowledge but of indoctrination.

[donut]

recently, a Democratic operative pointed out that when Obama holds a rally 25-30,000 people show up, whereas when McCain holds one, he only draws 10-15,000.

The Republican spokesman replied, "That's because McCain's supporters are at work."

[Takeda Shingen]

recently, a Democratic operative pointed out that when Obama holds a rally 25-30,000 people show up, whereas when McCain holds one, he only draws 10-15,000.

The Republican spokesman replied, "That's because McCain's supporters are at work."
How many times are you going to post this?

[Rockin Robbins]

Apparently at least once more.:rotfl:(why'd you quote it???)

Recently Palin held a rally in the Orlando area and attracted about 20,000 people. Obama held a rally at Bethune-Cookman College and attracted about 5,000. "OBAMA SENSATION!!!" screamed my newspaper's headline. Palin had a little box on page 2. No bias there, is there?:know:

Obama used the occasion at one of the country's greatest black colleges, Bethune-Cookman University (good school. Several friends of mine attended there), to posture in favor of women. He cried that women don't get the same respect as men. He cried that women have to be paid the same amount of money for the same amount of work. He called for laws that would require that and to require every business to prove that it was in compliance.

Meanwhile, the Obama campaign pays its employed women $1,900 less than men with the same job description. That discriminator fat cat McCain pays his women 9,000 more than men with the same job description. Who believes in promoting the welfare of women? Sounds a bit like Jesus' story of the pharisee and the Samaritan, doesn't it? Who believes is the one who does, not the one who says. Any uneducated farmer can tell you that. But a university professor will try to tell you otherwise. I hope you have the confidence in the right to laugh at revealed foolishness like that.

[Kapt Z]

After the last 8 years?????:doh: He can at least BS us with correct English! :know:
If you're referring to Barry O as being able to BS us with correct English, you're sadly mistaken. I suppose you haven't listened very closely to his speeches. For such an educated person, he sure starts a lot of sentences with "We gotta". Hardly proper English. Sounds more like the hip-hop crowd from Chicago.:yep:

Point taken.:p BO does have a quite a job ahead of him to knock o'l W off his throne though!! Something tells me we won't see 365day calenders with Obamaisms. Oh, well, all good things must end.:up:

[Digital_Trucker]

Point taken.:p BO does have a quite a job ahead of him to knock o'l W off his throne though!! Something tells me we won't see 365day calenders with Obamaisms. Oh, well, all good things must end.:up:

:rotfl:Good ol' W probably left us enough silly quotes to take care of the next millenium's worth of calendars, so any Obamaisms we get are just the icing on the cake, so to speak.:up:

[Mikhayl]

Eh, nobody compares to hockey-six-pack-mom Palin, *winks*, I betcha, *winks*, doggone it, *winks* :D

[Kapt Z]

Eh, nobody compares to hockey-six-pack-mom Palin, *winks*, I betcha, *winks*, doggone it, *winks* :D

But, no one is really listening to her anyway. They're too busy checking out her..... 'platform'.:p

[JHuschke]

No, you won't be the same under Obama. No one is scared of him..if they are, they shouldn't be. He is nothing less but a racist who has people he hates voting for him. Stupid people, wake up!

[Task Force]

Ok obama has some good and bad ideas.

[Rockin Robbins]

Goober, that's an irresponsible statement. Extraordinary statements require extraordinary proof. Where is your evidence that Obama is anything more than a guy willing to take all the money that government and lobbyists throw his way? And how does that make him a racist. Even his well known statement about residents of small towns being afraid, clinging to their guns and religion was only elitist, not racism. Some country club Republicans could well have said the same thing. All it makes him is an ordinary politician.

Obama is a member of American society at large, not part of the hip-hop black culture that refuses to adopt mainstream American culture. He talks like an educated American. He uses ideas like an educated American. He's way too left-leaning. But none of that can be stretched to calling him a racist. He deserves credit for keeping race out of the equation to be best of his ability. Why do you think Jesse Jackson and Louis Farrakhan among others aren't too fond of Barack Obama? It is because he has succeeded in transcending race and running as a human being. Yes, racists by the million will vote for and against him, but none of that reflects on Barack Obama.

This country is full of successful and great black lawyers, doctors, dentists, accountants and executives. Barack Obama is the first high profile black politician to walk through the open door of achievement as a representative not just of black America, but of all of America. It is the end of black politics as it shamefully existed since the death of Martin Luther King. It is the beginning of true black achievement. Jackson an Farrakhan can't stand it!

Mikhayl, there is more to Palin than meets the eye. She is not Dan Quayle. As hokey as she is, she is a real force to be reckoned with. Don't let prejudice related to use of language cloud your judgment. I know women like her and they can be reasoned and dealt with as equals. Let's not try to ridicule all people into talking the same, thinking the same, wearing the same clothes and reciting the same dogma. This is a woman who took her medicine for turning in a corrupt politician who happened to be her boss and was perfectly willing to go home for the duration if that was the cost of doing the right thing. That's strength, even if you don't agree that we should catch corrupt Republican politicians.

[Mikhayl]

I wasn't specifically mocking her language, rather her ever so poor attempt at looking like the average american or worse to gather votes for her running mate. Besides I look at her from a foreign eye, her so called political achievements in Wasilla & Alaska don't really interest me. But I see her calling the war in Iraq a "task of god", talking about Afghanistan as a neighbouring country, being so confused that she seems to be willing to protect Hamas from the anti-democracy crowds, etc.
In that sense, I wish her language was all there was to her.
Now you can say "yes but she's not running for president", that's true, but picking that woman for VP is still an insult to the intelligence of the voters IMO, all she does is appealing to the far right.

[Rockin Robbins]

But unfortunately, Obama is equally wet behind the years. He doesn't even have any Senate experience, having spent all of his 150 or so days in the Senate running for president and not learning the job. You can't attack Palin's VICE-presidential candidacy without acknowledging the much worse qualifications of Barack Obama.

Please read your first post and reflect that substituting Obama's name for Palin's results in a statement of equal veracity. OK, he wouldn't claim to be a six-pack guy. You threw out the bath water all right, but also threw out your own baby contained in it. That's child abuse, sir!:rotfl:

By the way, do you KNOW what Barack Obama's political achievements in Chicago were? Do you ever wonder why he has never claimed to have made any? Could it be that he knows that if you knew, you wouldn't vote for him? He hides his political past because it would destroy his future, as it should. Although Palin's political past is an open book, Obama can hide his secure in the knowledge that the American news media is dead.

It will not investigate because it wants him elected and will go to any length to cause that to happen. Those who refuse to look at this and past elections through that prism cannot understand American politics. What the Soviet Union had to force its media to do, American mainstream media does willingly. That's OK. It's a self correcting process as more people understand the process. It will mean the loss of influence of the formerly great journalism departments of major universities, the source of the problem. But it will happen as people seek the truth. They will look elsewhere to find it. The Dan Rather incident, broadcasting a knowingly false story regarding President Bush's military service, was typical of the functioning of American news media as unpaid Democratic press agents. The American public largely knows this. The foreign public does not.

Rest assured SOMEBODY in the mainstream media will eventually grow some fortitude and out the story, if only for selfish reasons. What I have said in another post in great detail will become common knowledge and all those who voted for him that have the national interest at heart will realize that they voted for a person up to his eyeballs in responsibility for actually causing the housing crisis at the root of the entire world's economic problems today. They will be ashamed that they supported him to fix the problem that Barack Obama was instrumental in causing. Then they will be angry that those with the responsibility of informing them chose not to.

The rest of the country, whose political life consists merely of voting themselves cash from the government budget, will most likely be proud of Mr. Obama, ignorant that they have done incalculable harm to themselves.

[Mikhayl]

You speak just like a politician, turning around the question without adressing it, and going on on something completely different that suits you better.
But yeah I know talking politics on the internet is merely asking for that kind of thing, nevermind :D

[AVGWarhawk]

I have stated this before and will do so again. It does not matter who makes it...either will be hung out to dry by Americans and the media. What was once great today and the future of America will be nothing more than a popularity poll showing great disgust with the President. Yet, in the background, are hundreds of men and women who are utter lunatics that are really running the country. Their captain is Pelosi and second mate is Barney Frank. Neither could run a popsicle stand. So, in reality, we could vote in Mickey Mouse and we end up with the same end result. More failures, pork barrel spending and general disregard for anything that might work. These are the people that we need to be looking at replacing. Term limits need to be instituted and quickly.

[Frame57]

Yep! Agreed term limits and all the &*%$ get is a 401K for retirement... Maybe then wew ould not get crooks running for Congress or Senate.

[August]

My biggest problem with "President Obama" is that Congress is unlikely to change hand this time around, and when we have a President and a Congress both from the same party it usually means trouble for the country.

[kurtz]

Agreed, what we, well I, always hope for in dear old Blighty is for a hung parliament then the fools who inhabit it can't do any damage.

[Rockin Robbins]

You speak just like a politician, turning around the question without adressing it, and going on on something completely different that suits you better.
But yeah I know talking politics on the internet is merely asking for that kind of thing, nevermind :D
No I answer your concerns about non-consequential religious beliefs and inexperience with the much more consequential governmental beliefs and greater inexperience of the Democratic presidential candidate. I also, in contrast to your statement of conclusions, provide evidence and examples to illustrate my point that Palin, a state governor for the past two years, is more experienced than Barack Obama, senator in absentia for less than 200 days, and before that, community organizer with the task of blackmailing banks to make bad loans is many times more apt to do harm to the country.

Win or lose, you haven't heard the last of Sarah Palin. She is real. Her life is an open book and you see what you get. She's shown a willingness to call foul when the law breaker was the most powerful Republican in Alaska. She was content to take whatever consequences came her way as a result. That kind of strength of character will get my vote any day, even for a Democrat who would show similar morality. Abraham Lincoln was like that and ridiculed for the same reasons. Character trumps "experience" sometimes. I wish her success, no matter what the result of the election.

Then we will see if success makes or breaks her. More people are broken by success than master it, and she is not immune from the corruption that comes as part of the package.

[Konovalov]

My biggest problem with "President Obama" is that Congress is unlikely to change hand this time around, and when we have a President and a Congress both from the same party it usually means trouble for the country.
Did you hold that same view of President Bush when the Republicans held power in all three being the Whitehouse, Senate, and House of Reps?