Uber DD's in 39 this is a little unreal

[Reece]

November 39, my crew spots DD (V&W) closing fast but 8k's away, crash dive but can only go to 60 meters, running silent I alter course, he's still about 3km away but he's matching my course!:-? at this time in war WTF! He's pinging me, after trying to elude his pinpoint acurate DC's for half hour he finally gets me!:nope:
Could someone tell me the adjustment in AI_Sensors.dat to change for this time period please?:yep:

[CCIP]

Why the assumption that he's "Uber"?

The loss rate for U-boats in 1939 was actually higher than at any point for the next 3.5 years. It's a misconception that the start of the war means a "happy time", or that British ASW was necessarily incompetent. I'd say you got a bit unlucky - if it was a 100% chance every time in 1939, I'd be a bit more worried though.

[BasilY]

Did you lower your periscopes? Both the attack and observation periscopes. Once a DD track me because I forget to lower my observation periscope.

Besides, the DD in your case is 8k away. You don't have to crash dive. A slow dive might have attract less attention to your boat.

[Reece]

It's Uber, he should not be able to detect me whilst I'm 3km off silent running, matching my every move, if I go left he goes left, if I go right he goes right, I don't think that is correct!:-?
@ Basil, my scope wasn't up, was just going to patrol grid & crew spotted, I crash dived then changed course by this time he would have been around 4ks off, then went to silent running, by 3km's I noticed he changed course toward me, so I changed again, he matched my every move, since he would have been on a near parallel course he should not have been able to detect me.:-?

Edit: Wonder where I got this version of AI_Sensors.dat from, it is dated 10th August 2008, not been modified by S3D, anyone know of a recent mod to this file??? It seems that all the sensors MinHeight values have been changed from -238 to -300, any ideas to what this does?

[The_Blockade_Runner]

Posted Earlier:


"The loss rate for U-boats in 1939 was actually higher than at any point for the next 3.5 years"



UMM......NO, you're WAY off

[Sailor Steve]

http://www.uboat.net/fates/losses/chart.htm

[Sailor Steve]

I'm pretty sure that GWX DDs start off poor and get better, but there is always the tiny chance of one being Elite. Maybe you just got unlucky this time.

[danlisa]

I'm pretty sure that GWX DDs start off poor and get better, but there is always the tiny chance of one being Elite. Maybe you just got unlucky this time.
:cool:

As with real war times, there were pre-conflict trained crews and then there were n00bs. Why does everyone think that, suddenly at the start of WWII, every Escort/Destroyer came into existence.

Don't feel bad Reece, it happens to the best of us sometimes. ;)

[Task Force]

I dont know about your problem, The DDs in 1939, 1940 seem to be always off, and have never came close to hitting me.(there was one time. Thats a long story).:lol:

[Reece]

Yeh these guys sensors were so good they knew where I was 3 to 4 kms away travelling at 21 knots whilst I was 60 meters down silent running, I think they beamed down sensors from the enterprise!:doh:
Oh well! any ideas on the MinHeight settings?:-?
Don't feel bad Reece, it happens to the best of us sometimes. ;) Not to me ... excuse me while I throw a tantrum!:oops::cry::88)

[Adriatico]

S**t happens mate... Really bad luck...?!

I stopped playing 1939, start my patrols in 1940/41 as there is no real challenge in "39... if you are not intruder into Liverpool or ScapaFlow :huh:...

I enjoy playing first quarter of 1942, the best gamplay... :up:

Reece, it is not worthy of gameply tweak,... just happens once in 20-30 convoy raids in a first year.

[Pablo]

Hi!

I think your basic problem is that you were spotted in relatively shallow water, and if you crash-dived (engines to maximum speed) then it is likely the destroyer was able to track you underwater until you reset your engines to silent running.

Assuming the destroyer closed the distance to your last known location at about 20 knots, your U-boat probably didn't get more than a kilometer away from the point where you began silent running, and changing course would have only decreased your distance away from the last contact point. When the destroyer arrived, you would have been well within its sensor cone but with shallow water preventing you from diving beneath it.

At that point, the destroyer's ability to find you really depends on the destroyer's crew quality and the aspect angle of your U-boat with respect to the destroyer, so it's my guess that you had the bad luck to be up against a good ASW operator.

Pablo

[Sailor Steve]

Don't feel bad...it happens to the best of us sometimes. ;) Not to me ...
Sounds like a conversation I had with my wife once.:rotfl: :dead:

[onelifecrisis]

Edit: Wonder where I got this version of AI_Sensors.dat from, it is dated 10th August 2008, not been modified by S3D, anyone know of a recent mod to this file??? It seems that all the sensors MinHeight values have been changed from -238 to -300, any ideas to what this does?

My minheight values are also currently -300, and I've not changed them (nor do any of the mods I have installed). Perhaps this is the setting that SH3C changes to simulate thermal layers?

[Reece]

Well certainly I use SH3 Commander OLC I found as you pointed out the Randomised events.cfg file contains:
---------------THERMAL LAYERS
[0:data\Library\AI_Sensors.dat]
;Randomly adjusts active/passive listening device values to simulate the impact of thermal layers - by Hemisent
;Only MinHeight values are changed
ChooseFrom=10
RndMidPat=1

0_x0470=-105 ;AI_Hydrophone
0_x05FC=-90 ;AI_Sonar
0_x0784=-105 ;QGAP
0_x090C=-105 ;QClP
0_x0A94=-105 ;QCeP
0_x0C20=-108 ;Type144P
0_x0DAC=-105 ;Type138P
0_x0F38=-100 ;Type128P
0_x10C4=-100 ;Type123P
0_x124C=-90 ;QGAA
0_x142B=-88 ;QClA
0_x160A=-93 ;QCeA
0_x17ED=-95 ;Type147A
0_x19D0=-98 ;Type144A
0_x1BB3=-85 ;Type128A
0_x1D96=-88 ;Type123A

1_x0470=-150
1_x05FC=-130
1_x0784=-145
1_x090C=-155
1_x0A94=-145
1_x0C20=-150
1_x0DAC=-155
1_x0F38=-144
1_x10C4=-145
1_x124C=-130
1_x142B=-135
1_x160A=-125
1_x17ED=-135
1_x19D0=-130
1_x1BB3=-128
1_x1D96=-132

2_x0470=-180
2_x05FC=-170
2_x0784=-200
2_x090C=-195
2_x0A94=-195
2_x0C20=-215
2_x0DAC=-215
2_x0F38=-190
2_x10C4=-190
2_x124C=-195
2_x142B=-190
2_x160A=-180
2_x17ED=-200
2_x19D0=-190
2_x1BB3=-175
2_x1D96=-175

3_x0470=-235
3_x05FC=-220
3_x0784=-238
3_x090C=-235
3_x0A94=-230
3_x0C20=-235
3_x0DAC=-238
3_x0F38=-230
3_x10C4=-235
3_x124C=-225
3_x142B=-220
3_x160A=-215
3_x17ED=-228
3_x19D0=-225
3_x1BB3=-218
3_x1D96=-215

4_x0470=-270
4_x05FC=-260
4_x0784=-275
4_x090C=-270
4_x0A94=-268
4_x0C20=-275
4_x0DAC=-265
4_x0F38=-263
4_x10C4=-265
4_x124C=-260
4_x142B=-257
4_x160A=-255
4_x17ED=-263
4_x19D0=-260
4_x1BB3=-255
4_x1D96=-253

;-------------------------------------------------------------------
None of the values are as high (or should I say low) as the -300:-?
Must be what's changed it though since yours is the same, and I sure didn't change them, good find OLC, thanks!:up:
Just leaves me with Uber DD, I'll just have to put it down to bad luck & start a new career!!:yep:

[onelifecrisis]

None of the values are as high (or should I say low) as the -300:-?
Must be what's changed it though since yours is the same, and I sure didn't change them, good find OLC, thanks!:up:
Just leaves me with Uber DD, I'll just have to put it down to bad luck & start a new career!!:yep:

I think -300 is the default (GWX) value. SH3C will change it when you launch SH3 and then rollback the change afterwards. :know:

When you opened the file and saw -238, I'd guess you were either mid-patrol at the time or you had not rolled back SH3C after the previous patrol.

[Piggy]

Are you using GWX?

Honestly, Ive never had any problems in 39/40 so far. If a DD does spot/hear me its fairly easy to avoid the DC's. When they drop go flank speed, change course and depth.

Like others have said I think you just ran across a very good DD coupled with shallow depth, less then 100m doesnt give you any room. (did you try just sitting on bottom?, doesnt that throw his active sonar off a bit?)

I just had my first very close call last night, june of 41, mostly because I was being reckless. This was the fist time Ive really been hammered by DC's, that darn corvette totally covered me with spit, nearly sunk. Both scopes destroyed, lost half my fuel, batteries damaged, major flooding, had to blow ballast at 180m. Suprisingly when I got back to base my HI was still 100%??? (luckily I have 3 crewman with repair skills, knew that would come in handy one day)

Boy was it fun though :ping:

[nikbear]

I've had that as well,quite a severe pounding by DD's resulting in a lot of work for my repair crew to fix yet.......still 100% hull HI:hmm:And as for early war DD's being easy,tell that to the 2 devils that rushed from scapa after I foollishly sank one of they're mates in the orkney/shetland gap,they made a right mess of my nice new shiny VIIB and just would not let go:damn:the war had hardly got going so what they had to get so angry about I don't no:rotfl: