What is wrong with the left in the US?

[SUBMAN1]

You guys out there in Boulder Colorado are idiots! Plain and simple!

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/politics/17628776/detail.html?rss=den&psp=news

That is the dumbest idea yet!

-S

[Sailor Steve]

Boy, just calling them idiots sure futhers the dialogue.

Wait, what is the dumbest idea yet - the fact that current law requires that a candidate also be a registered voter, or the fact that they're trying to change it?

[SUBMAN1]

Boy, just calling them idiots sure futhers the dialogue. No better word for them so deal with it. They should be kicked out of the country for suggesting it.

Wait, what is the dumbest idea yet - the fact that current law requires that a candidate also be a registered voter, or the fact that they're trying to change it?
The fact that they are trying to give council power to foreigners, let them spend our money, and vote in legal rulings. How far do you want to go? This is just the tip of the iceberg.

Maybe we are the global America since every foreign power wants their hand in our cookie jar.

Shear stupidity.

-S

[DeepIron]

Where in the article does it say that it's the "left" that made the proposal ?

I'd don't think you'd find a conservative proposing it...

Proponents say the change would help reach a broader group of people who can make meaningful contributions to local government.Such as... what? I hate these kind of "blanket statements"... Specifically, I would ask, what kind of "meaningful contributions"?

Boulder resident Fred Rubin is among the critics. He urged the council not to put the proposal on the Nov. 4 ballot, saying it doesn't make sense to give people not committed to becoming U.S. citizens a role on city boards that sometimes make quasi-judicial rulings.Ah...a voice of reason...

It's ludicrious... and just another example of the erosion of the constitution in the US...

[Hylander_1314]

Cause us redblooded Americans out here in the Rocky Mountain State refer to it as the People's Republic of Boulder. I figured by now they would be flying a modified state flag complete with hammer and sickle on it.

But it doesn't suprise me one bit.

[Sailor Steve]

The fact that they are trying to give council power to foreigners, let them spend our money, and vote in legal rulings. How far do you want to go? This is just the tip of the iceberg.

Maybe we are the global America since every foreign power wants their hand in our cookie jar.

Shear stupidity.
Ah. The article does say 'not eligible to vote'. I thought it was about being registered to vote as a requirement for office. My mistake.

I will get in one jab, though: it's 'sheer' stupidity, as in 'thinly veiled. 'Shear' means to cut something.:p

Dang, sometimes I actually have to change my mind and agree with you. That does indeed seem stupid.

[nikimcbee]

Where in the article does it say that it's the "left" that made the proposal ?

Boulder is a very liberal city, It's like San Fransisco:roll: .

[SUBMAN1]

Proponents say the change would help reach a broader group of people who can make meaningful contributions to local government.Such as... what? I hate these kind of "blanket statements"... Specifically, I would ask, what kind of "meaningful contributions"?
How about this then? maybe they should submit their meaningful contributions to the council for review? Imagine that? Like what are they thinking?

-S

[GlobalExplorer]

This is rubbish. No one gives right to vote to foreigners.

[Wolfehunter]

This is rubbish. No one gives right to vote to foreigners.So that means if I live there for more than a year I can vote?:hmm:

Wow their not getting local support so they now have to get outside voters... Soon Americans are owned by foreigners and decided by foreigners?

Whos the rocket scientist making this stuff happen?:rotfl:

[donut]

recently, a Democratic operative pointed out that when Obama holds a rally 25-30,000 people show up, whereas when McCain holds one, he only draws 10-15,000.

The Republican spokesman replied, "That's because McCain's supporters are at work."

[SUBMAN1]

recently, a Democratic operative pointed out that when Obama holds a rally 25-30,000 people show up, whereas when McCain holds one, he only draws 10-15,000.

The Republican spokesman replied, "That's because McCain's supporters are at work." :rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

Good one! :up::up::up:

-S

[nikimcbee]

recently, a Democratic operative pointed out that when Obama holds a rally 25-30,000 people show up, whereas when McCain holds one, he only draws 10-15,000.

The Republican spokesman replied, "That's because McCain's supporters are at work." :rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

Good one! :up::up::up:

-S

Touchdown!

[Digital_Trucker]

Excellent, Donut:up:

[1480]

From the same news station:

Man Charged In Bison Slayings Due In Court


If you want to be a part of government, start with the basics like.....:hmm: being elgible to vote:rock:


All this is the collective white liberal guilt at play. They want cultural diversity in their ranks so they can put the progressive place to live slogan on their tourism ads.

[August]

Soon Americans are owned by foreigners and decided by foreigners?

The last time that situation existed we revolted and kicked them out.

[SS107.9MHz]

Can't make sense of any of it... How would a non US citisen be eligible to be part of local government... It's a strange notion really...
:doh:

[baggygreen]

I dont see it happening again tho august - too many people seem to be of the opinion things like this are a great idea.

My question to the proponents of this idea is how on earth is this a good idea?!

Whats scary is that if anyone in oz tried that, it would probably succeed, and any attempts to speak out against it would be drowned out by the civil libertarians blowing loudly on their trumpets.

[Flamingboat]

I love this notion that liberal democrats aren't Americans and should be "kicked out" of the country. Red state people crack me up. The best cities in America are brought to you by liberals. San Francisco, Seattle, New York and Boulder.

[August]

I love this notion that liberal democrats aren't Americans and should be "kicked out" of the country. Red state people crack me up. The best cities in America are brought to you by liberals. San Francisco, Seattle, New York and Boulder.

Having been to all of those cities I can say with assurance that you can keep those those places. Me, personally, i like grass, trees and nature in general far too much to ever live on one of those graffiti covered concrete cesspools.

[Digital_Trucker]

The best cities in America are brought to you by liberals. San Francisco, Seattle, New York and Boulder.

I don't see a smiley after this statement, so I assume you're being serious?:rotfl:

[Flamingboat]

The best cities in America are brought to you by liberals. San Francisco, Seattle, New York and Boulder.

I don't see a smiley after this statement, so I assume you're being serious?:rotfl:

What right wing cities are American icons?

[Flamingboat]

Having been to all of those cities I can say with assurance that you can keep those those places. Me, personally, i like grass, trees and nature in general far too much to ever live on one of those graffiti covered concrete cesspools.

Can I have what you are smoking? I'm from Virginia and I am here in RI for school. This place IS a graffiti covered cesspool! I know what pretty areas look like, this sure is not it.

[Digital_Trucker]

The best cities in America are brought to you by liberals. San Francisco, Seattle, New York and Boulder.
I don't see a smiley after this statement, so I assume you're being serious?:rotfl:
What right wing cities are American icons?
What cities are right wing? People are right wing, not cities:hmm: You say that these cities are brought to you by liberals. How can you know the political leanings of the people who built these cities?

As for cities being icons, I would have to say that no city is an icon, it's a freaking city.

[Hylander_1314]

Just go to Boulder, and listen to the general population talk. If they ain't leftist commies, I don't know what is. And they definitely have their noses in the air, as if they have some sort of preference over everyone else.

[Flamingboat]

The best cities in America are brought to you by liberals. San Francisco, Seattle, New York and Boulder.
I don't see a smiley after this statement, so I assume you're being serious?:rotfl:
What right wing cities are American icons?
What cities are right wing? People are right wing, not cities:hmm: You say that these cities are brought to you by liberals. How can you know the political leanings of the people who built these cities?

As for cities being icons, I would have to say that no city is an icon, it's a freaking city.

So San Francisco isn't a liberal city now? Ok then, way to dodge the question.

[Flamingboat]

Just go to Boulder, and listen to the general population talk. If they ain't leftist commies, I don't know what is. And they definitely have their noses in the air, as if they have some sort of preference over everyone else.

Leftist commies? The right wing just lost it's ability to call anyone a left wing commie after that bailout package that just went to wall street. So much for all that "free market" rhetoric.

Since the bailout we can plainly see the right wing has no problem with handouts, so now we are just fighting over who gets them. Joe Citizen on main street, or the coke sniffing traders on wall street.

[Thomen]

Just go to Boulder, and listen to the general population talk. If they ain't leftist commies, I don't know what is. And they definitely have their noses in the air, as if they have some sort of preference over everyone else.
Leftist commies? The right wing just lost it's ability to call anyone a left wing commie after that bailout package that just went to wall street. So much for all that "free market" rhetoric.

Since the bailout we can plainly see the right wing has no problem with handouts, so now we are just fighting over who gets them. Joe Citizen on main street, or the coke sniffing traders on wall street.
Uh, it was the Democrats who wanted to 'hand out' up to 300 million per year to organizations like ACORN in the first draft of the bail out. Nice to see that you wear your blinders. :up:

[Digital_Trucker]

So San Francisco isn't a liberal city now? Ok then, way to dodge the question.
What question? All I see are statements about what fine shining examples of liberalism some cities are and how there are no "Right Wing" cities that are "icons". If the cities that you named (or ANY city, for that matter) are your icons, you have some pretty low standards, IMO.

[August]

Can I have what you are smoking? I'm from Virginia and I am here in RI for school. This place IS a graffiti covered cesspool! I know what pretty areas look like, this sure is not it.

Oh I fully agree. Providence, like any urban area, is no great shakes. I only live in this state because that's where the work is (just about 50 yards from my front door atm and not in Providence) but i stay out of the city as much as humanly possible and Rose and I are currently looking for a place in Seekonk, Rehoboth or Swansea.

[Sailor Steve]

I had to look in a dictionary to make sure. The first definition of 'Icon' is a picture or representation, but the second definition, at least in The American Heritage Dictionary, is "An important and enduring symbol", and San Francisco at least is recognizably famous for being the center of the hippie movement in the '60s and is still considered to be a center of liberalism in America.

So, semantics aside, I think the original reference is valid.

[Digital_Trucker]

I had to look in a dictionary to make sure. The first definition of 'Icon' is a picture or representation, but the second definition, at least in The American Heritage Dictionary, is "An important and enduring symbol", and San Francisco at least is recognizably famous for being the center of the hippie movement in the '60s and is still considered to be a center of liberalism in America.

So, semantics aside, I think the original reference is valid.
Point ceded. While San Francisco may be an important and enduring symbol, I would have to ask what, exactly it symbolizes. I'm certain that if you asked 10 people that question you'd probably get 12 different answers and 10 out of 9 of them would be offensive to 3% of the registered iconoclasts:D

[Sailor Steve]

:rotfl: :rock:

I'd be offended but I have absolutely no idea what that means. Nor what percentage of which group that puts me in.

[Digital_Trucker]

:rotfl: :rock:

I'd be offended but I have absolutely no idea what that means. Nor what percentage of which group that puts me in.

Oh crap, I've unintentionally started talking like a politician (while trying to make a bad joke). Shame on me:p

[Digital_Trucker]

Uh, it was the Democrats who wanted to 'hand out' up to 300 million per year to organizations like ACORN in the first draft of the bail out. Nice to see that you wear your blinders. :up:
And look what they would have done with it :

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10/07/acorn-vegas-office-raided-voter-fraud-investigation/

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/10/07/acorn_nevada_offices_raided.html

They couldn't even think up good fake names, so they attempted to register the starting line-up of the Dallas Cowboys to vote..........................In Nevada:rotfl:

[August]

So unlike the Democrats unsubstantiated voter fraud claims in the 2000 election we're already seeing numerous verified voter fraud efforts by the Dems this year.

Maybe we're nearer the next civil war than I've previously thought...

[Hylander_1314]

So unlike the Democrats unsubstantiated voter fraud claims in the 2000 election we're already seeing numerous verified voter fraud efforts by the Dems this year.

Maybe we're nearer the next civil war than I've previously thought...

Either that or a new stand at Independence

[SUBMAN1]

The best cities in America are brought to you by liberals. San Francisco, Seattle, New York and Boulder.
I don't see a smiley after this statement, so I assume you're being serious?:rotfl:He is, and i wouldn't call them brought to you by liberals. I think a more accurate statement is that they have been 'overtaken' by liberals, and none of them mentioned were at all built by a single liberal. They were conservative back then, much more so than our rightest right conservatives are today.

The only reason they are liberal today is the conservatives left these cities to the cesspool. :D

-S

[Foxtrot]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjxzmaXAg9E

:rock::sunny:

[Foxtrot]

See, they're not the "most informed group of citizens" either and yet nobody complains that they use their right to vote :D
democrazy!! :rock:

[Flamingboat]

He is, and i wouldn't call them brought to you by liberals. I think a more accurate statement is that they have been 'overtaken' by liberals, and none of them mentioned were at all built by a single liberal. They were conservative back then, much more so than our rightest right conservatives are today.

The only reason they are liberal today is the conservatives left these cities to the cesspool. :D

-S

Uh oh, not this "back in the day" bullcrap again. Yeah yeah, back in the "old days" everyone was polite, no one raped, molested children, murdered or wrote bad checks. Politicians were 100% honest and everyone was ruff tough and hard to bluff.

I live in a blue state now. I grew up in a red state. I'll tell you what a cesspool is. Lynchburg VA, Pulaski VA, Bluefield WV or any place in West Virginia for that matter. Conservatives are nothing more than a bunch of overweight hold overs from a forgetten era. They sit around and join in the 1 hour "hate" with Bill O'Reilly. They blame all them "homos, blacks and perverted MTV dances" on their problems.

I was raised to think this way, but I found the people screwing me over and making sure my paycheck kept me poor were white bible beating republicans. They were the ones screwing me over, not the liberals I was bred to blame all my problems on.

[Safe-Keeper]

OP: The US is a democracy. If the citizens of an area want to let non-citizens rule them, despite your oh-so-modern-and-reformed views on, well, everything, so be it. What are you afraid of, that if we allow those smelly foreigners (would you believe it, some of them have dark skin? Dark, I tell you, daaark!) to hold public office, eventually atheists will be allowed in, too:p?

Residing in Norway, I'd have nothing against a foreigner holding public office here. Why would I? The US might have changed since I lived there, but when I did it was a democracy, where people voted. Don't want someone to take the reins of your city, regardlessly of his political abilities, simply because he's not a citizen?

Vote for the other guy.

Where in the article does it say that it's the "left" that made the proposal?The left(n): People I disagree with, see also scapegoat. Example: "Someone proposed to let non-citizens hold office in the USA, must be commie leftists who hate Christ".

recently, a Democratic operative pointed out that when Obama holds a rally 25-30,000 people show up, whereas when McCain holds one, he only draws 10-15,000.

The Republican spokesman replied, "That's because McCain's supporters are at work."
Hilarious in the sense that it forgets that it's the poor who works, hardest, often having to take more than one job to make ends meet.

Smear against politicians I can understand, but when right-wingers say we shouldn't vote for a candidate because his voters are lazy, that takes it all to a whole new level. It's like saying, "don't vote for Obama, or you're as dumb as these people":roll:.

Uh oh, not this "back in the day" bullcrap again. Yeah yeah, back in the "old days" everyone was polite, no one raped, molested children, murdered or wrote bad checks. Politicians were 100% honest and everyone was ruff tough and hard to bluff.Those damned Negroes couldn't vote, and neither could our child-factories, sorry, women, who also couldn't press charges for martial "rape". We could beat our kids with belts, we had nice, segregated neighborhoods and chools so we didn't have to see those damned darkies, and our teachers respected that Christianity should be taught to every student, even if it meant blatantly disregarding those little children's religions. Atheists, fags and race traitors partaking in intersexual relationships were beaten up on sight as they should be, and the rest of the world feared the might of the US Army, as commanded by Presidents who knew that the US should rule the world.

Then, liberals :sneers:.

[Flamingboat]

Good post Safe-Keeper, I was feeling alone thinking I was the only liberal who liked submarines! Arnold Schwarzenegger has been a really good governor and he is from Austria.

The conservatives are in sad lot these days. Their time is over and it has been for while. Until they are able to clone Ronald Reagan they are pretty much screwed. The republicans vote their morality at the balot box, even though that isn't what voting is about. They vote against their own economic well being because they think they are sticking it to lazy welfare blacks.

The good news is the republicans got greedy under Bush. He took too much too fast and even the lowest citizen who doesn't think about politics feels the pain at the gas pumps. People have lost homes and buried their sons and daughters over the Vietraq war.

A conservative won't bat an eye when you tell them about the hundreds of thousands who are dead because of the Vietraq war, but they will fly into an emotion rage if you mention Clinton getting a blowjob.

[Sailor Steve]

Uh oh, not this "back in the day" bullcrap again. Yeah yeah, back in the "old days" everyone was polite, no one raped, molested children, murdered or wrote bad checks. Politicians were 100% honest and everyone was ruff tough and hard to bluff.
Reminds me of the line from Fiddler On The Roof:

"It's not what it once was."

"I'll tell you a little secret, my friend. It never was 'what it once was'".

And you're right, of course.

And America has been going to hell in a handbasket for 200 years. Just ask anybody on the losing side of any election.

[1480]

Good post Safe-Keeper, I was feeling alone thinking I was the only liberal who liked submarines! Arnold Schwarzenegger has been a really good governor and he is from Austria.

The conservatives are in sad lot these days. Their time is over and it has been for while. Until they are able to clone Ronald Reagan they are pretty much screwed. The republicans vote their morality at the balot box, even though that isn't what voting is about. They vote against their own economic well being because they think they are sticking it to lazy welfare blacks.

The good news is the republicans got greedy under Bush. He took too much too fast and even the lowest citizen who doesn't think about politics feels the pain at the gas pumps. People have lost homes and buried their sons and daughters over the Vietraq war.

A conservative won't bat an eye when you tell them about the hundreds of thousands who are dead because of the Vietraq war, but they will fly into an emotion rage if you mention Clinton getting a blowjob.

Hey Flaming, can you tell me what these numbers represent:

1950 5.3
1951 4.9
1952 5.2
1953 4.8
1954 4.8
1955 4.5
1956 4.6
1957 4.5
1958 4.5
1959 4.6

1961 4.7
1962 4.8
1963 4.9
1964 5.1
1965 5.5
1966 5.9
1967 6.8
1968 7.3
1969 7.7
1970 8.3
1961 4.7
1962 4.8
1963 4.9
1964 5.1
1965 5.5
1966 5.9
1967 6.8
1968 7.3
1969 7.7
1970 8.3
1971 9.1
1972 9.4
1973 9.7
1974 10.1
1975 9.9
1976 9.0
1977 9.1
1978 9.2
1979 10.0
1980 10.7
1981 10.3

[Flamingboat]

Good post Safe-Keeper, I was feeling alone thinking I was the only liberal who liked submarines! Arnold Schwarzenegger has been a really good governor and he is from Austria.

The conservatives are in sad lot these days. Their time is over and it has been for while. Until they are able to clone Ronald Reagan they are pretty much screwed. The republicans vote their morality at the balot box, even though that isn't what voting is about. They vote against their own economic well being because they think they are sticking it to lazy welfare blacks.

The good news is the republicans got greedy under Bush. He took too much too fast and even the lowest citizen who doesn't think about politics feels the pain at the gas pumps. People have lost homes and buried their sons and daughters over the Vietraq war.

A conservative won't bat an eye when you tell them about the hundreds of thousands who are dead because of the Vietraq war, but they will fly into an emotion rage if you mention Clinton getting a blowjob.

Hey Flaming, can you tell me what these numbers represent:

1950 5.3
1951 4.9
1952 5.2
1953 4.8
1954 4.8
1955 4.5
1956 4.6
1957 4.5
1958 4.5
1959 4.6

1961 4.7
1962 4.8
1963 4.9
1964 5.1
1965 5.5
1966 5.9
1967 6.8
1968 7.3
1969 7.7
1970 8.3
1961 4.7
1962 4.8
1963 4.9
1964 5.1
1965 5.5
1966 5.9
1967 6.8
1968 7.3
1969 7.7
1970 8.3
1971 9.1
1972 9.4
1973 9.7
1974 10.1
1975 9.9
1976 9.0
1977 9.1
1978 9.2
1979 10.0
1980 10.7
1981 10.3

I have no clue. *walks into trap to see what happens.....

[Morts]

Good post Safe-Keeper, I was feeling alone thinking I was the only liberal who liked submarines! Arnold Schwarzenegger has been a really good governor and he is from Austria.

The conservatives are in sad lot these days. Their time is over and it has been for while. Until they are able to clone Ronald Reagan they are pretty much screwed. The republicans vote their morality at the balot box, even though that isn't what voting is about. They vote against their own economic well being because they think they are sticking it to lazy welfare blacks.

The good news is the republicans got greedy under Bush. He took too much too fast and even the lowest citizen who doesn't think about politics feels the pain at the gas pumps. People have lost homes and buried their sons and daughters over the Vietraq war.

A conservative won't bat an eye when you tell them about the hundreds of thousands who are dead because of the Vietraq war, but they will fly into an emotion rage if you mention Clinton getting a blowjob.

Hey Flaming, can you tell me what these numbers represent:

1950 5.3
1951 4.9
1952 5.2
1953 4.8
1954 4.8
1955 4.5
1956 4.6
1957 4.5
1958 4.5
1959 4.6

1961 4.7
1962 4.8
1963 4.9
1964 5.1
1965 5.5
1966 5.9
1967 6.8
1968 7.3
1969 7.7
1970 8.3
1961 4.7
1962 4.8
1963 4.9
1964 5.1
1965 5.5
1966 5.9
1967 6.8
1968 7.3
1969 7.7
1970 8.3
1971 9.1
1972 9.4
1973 9.7
1974 10.1
1975 9.9
1976 9.0
1977 9.1
1978 9.2
1979 10.0
1980 10.7
1981 10.3
lemme have a stab at it (havent checked the entire thread, so ill just guess a little)

the number % of democratic voters through those years'
dollar course ?:rotfl:
Submans IQ over time ? (Just kidding;))

:rotfl:

[Flamingboat]

Probably unemployment rates. Since they peak under Carter. That's my guess now that I look at it. Reagan fixed all that by deregulating, aka privatizing everything he got his hands on.

[August]

The 1960s are repeated? :yep::D

[Digital_Trucker]

The 1960s are repeated? :yep::D

That sounds like a good idea:rotfl:

[Flamingboat]

The 1960s are repeated? :yep::D

That sounds like a good idea:rotfl:

They are being repeated. We have a modern Vietnam, kids dead for nothings. Well corporate profit, but still, not a reason to send poor kids to their death. We have a hated president that makes Nixon look popular. The economy is in the toilet. I stand in line for gas.

The only thing we are missing is the protesting, but the nation is all on prozac so they look at the TV with the enthusiasm of a cow chewing sleepily on some grass.

[Hylander_1314]

Mooooooooooooooooooooo.

Yep, when American Idol is more popular than what is going on in your nation, it's a sad situation.

[Thomen]

Hey Flaming, can you tell me what these numbers represent:

1950 5.3
1951 4.9
1952 5.2
1953 4.8
1954 4.8
1955 4.5
1956 4.6
1957 4.5
1958 4.5
1959 4.6

1961 4.7
1962 4.8
1963 4.9
1964 5.1
1965 5.5
1966 5.9
1967 6.8
1968 7.3
1969 7.7
1970 8.3
1961 4.7
1962 4.8
1963 4.9
1964 5.1
1965 5.5
1966 5.9
1967 6.8
1968 7.3
1969 7.7
1970 8.3
1971 9.1
1972 9.4
1973 9.7
1974 10.1
1975 9.9
1976 9.0
1977 9.1
1978 9.2
1979 10.0
1980 10.7
1981 10.3

Homicide rates?

[Rockin Robbins]

It can either be characterized as stupid or evil. I lean toward evil.

Wonderful socialist/liberal principles we can all cheer about:

The cure for the economic malaise causing unemployment is to help the wage earner by dramatically raising taxes on wage payers. Especially the evil energy companies, who make a lower profit margin than Wal-Mart, who provide all the energy we don't have enough of, on whose ingenuity we depend to become energy self-sufficient, they need to be punished. Let's take half of their profits. Screw them!

The US Navy visits San Francisco (source: Gallant Lady, a biography of the USS Archerfish). A brilliant lefty, Nancy Pelosi, learns that these ships are packing nukes (damn! a little nukie never hurt anybody!), so she throws a hissy fit and ends up passing legislation that forces the Navy to offload the nukes into a San Fran warehouse. She then begins to bring pressure to bear to truck them out of there, at which point the House membership jumped ship on her and not one would take the nukies for their very own. Result: Nanci Pelosi succeeded in having a significant portion of the Naval nuclear arsenal semi-permanently esconced in her socialist city of love. She is a genius!

They, the socialist/liberal non-thinkers think that a major wrong in the US economy is that too small a number of home loans go to captialist fat cats. Too small a portion goes to those "economically less fortunate." In 1977 under Jimmy Carter, Congress passed the feel-good Community Reinvestment Act (CRA). In the 1990's a radical group of "militants unafraid to confront the powers that be" (their words) called the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN) found a way to forge an unholy trinity of (1) street protests, filling bank lobbies full of unruly protesters to scare away customers, intimidating bank executives' families at their homes, (2) legal threats to keep banks from expanding, based on the seemingly beneficial CRA, and (3) a very effective group of lobbyists in Washington, who succeeded in tying the commendable liberal goal of expanding home ownership into a forced shakedown of Chicago financial institutions. Here's the playbook. A bank wants to put a branch in a new location. ACORN sues the bank under the CRA provisions and begins intimidation of the bank's existing branches and managements' families. To get the dogs called off the bank says they will make $20 million in loans to people who do not qualify, the "less fortunate." In later refinements of the bank robbery ACORN gloms the cash and makes the "loans" itself! To keep the crime going, the lobbyists in Washington complete the circuit of extorsion by using Fannie Mae and Freddy Mac to buy these worthless loans and relieve the banks from having to try to collect them. It's hush money, nothing more. The trainer for Madeline Talbott's Chicago branch of ACORN, the first to perfect the racket? Barack Obama, community organizer. Now you know what his function as a community organizer was. Link1 (http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9c0DE7DB153EF933A0575AC0A96F9582 60&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=1) Link2 (http://www.nypost.com/seven/09292008/postopinion/opedcolumnists/os_dangerous_pals_131216.htm) Link3 (http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=ZjRjYzE0YmQxNzU4MDJjYWE5MjIzMTMxMmNhZWQ1MTA=) The full truth is worse than I have briefly outlined. Let's pretend the goals and methods of ACORN were good. The means to achieving their "good" was ruining the very people they pretended to help, those new temporary homeowners who are now all losing everything. Call that stupidity. I'll continue to call it evil.

Over 40% of the electorate pays no federal income taxes at all. The bottom 50% of income tax payers pay only 2.9% of total federal income taxes paid. The bottom 80% pay only 31% of federal income tax. We have reduced the political process in the United states to a class war between those who pay little or nothing clapping their hands together with glee and voting tax increases on the minority who pay for everything they have, employ every one of them and already pay all the income taxes. The top 5% of taxpayers, that's those who made more than $153,542 in 2006, already pay 60.14% of all federal income taxes paid (source, Internal Revenue Service & Congressional Budget Office). Mr Liberal, how much more, in the name of fairness, should we seize from this group, which includes almost all the small businesses in America? This fatally flawed taxation system and its devastating effect on how our election process works is the single greatest threat to the republican form of government we say we love. (We are not a democracy, we're a republic, thank God. A democracy is two cats and a mouse voting over what's for dinner. Only a republic has the means to protect its minorities from tyranny). Heck, you deserve to be able to look at all the numbers, not just the ones I picked and chose. Linky (http://files.filefront.com/ff135data+all+chartsxls/;12027901;/fileinfo.html). Don't look unless you are prepared to see how much worse the picture looks in its entirety than what I have briefly summarized above.

Will you ever see this information tied together like this on any news show, in a book, or even on conservative talk radio? NO. But it's information that will hurt us badly if we choose to ignore it.

Those on top who finance our lives and who we seek to punish are not like us. They take part in the economy not for the purpose of survival, but for personal fulfillment. They take part voluntarily. They do not need to have an income to survive. They have assets to live on. If they decide that they do not wish to participate in the liberal idiocy they can and will choose not to make an income. In a country where we punish achievement, they will choose not to achieve. They can do fine, living off their savings for years while collecting welfare, unempoyment benefits and sucking off the system they helped to create.

We, on the other hand, will starve. Our participation in the economy is not voluntary. No income means we die. Take a good look at the future. This is what we create by cooperating with the fallacy of liberalism as it is practiced by radicals such as ACORN and Barack Obama. I'd like to believe they are only stupid. It's much nicer that way.

[August]

The 1960s are repeated? :yep::D
That sounds like a good idea:rotfl:

I heard that if you remember the 1960's you didn't really experience them so if they were repeated how would you know?

[Digital_Trucker]

The 1960s are repeated? :yep::D
That sounds like a good idea:rotfl:
I heard that if you remember the 1960's you didn't really experience them so if they were repeated how would you know?

Well, it would probably be like Deja Vu all over again:hmm:

[August]

The 1960s are repeated? :yep::D
That sounds like a good idea:rotfl:
I heard that if you remember the 1960's you didn't really experience them so if they were repeated how would you know?
Well, it would probably be like Deja Vu all over again:hmm:

Ah the future ain't what it used to be! :D

[Rockin Robbins]

Today is only yesterday's tomorrow.

[August]

In theory there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice there is.