I'd pay good money if he'd just shut up...

[DeepIron]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/7652174.stm

Really, I would. I'm tired of listening to this moron whose popularity rating stands at a mere 26%... It's not bad enough I have to pay for a war I don't support, now I have to pay for this stinkin' bailout too. I'm so mad I could spit nails! And now Bush is telling me it's "going to be a tough road"?

What the hell does he care? He's going to make a 6 figure "retirement" when he leaves office of $191,300 for the rest of his life! For what I ask? I can't think of a time when the reputation of the United States in the world community has been so tarnished and maligned. As far as I'm concerned he's no better than the slime ball CEO/CIOs that are going to "walk away" from this economic crisis the helped to create... :nope:

Americans have become nothing more than "cash cows"...

[Wolfehunter]

Why did they vote again on this? I though it was finished after the first vote? How many times can they bring this up if it was refused again?

[DeepIron]

The bailout is a done deal. El Presidente signed it yesterday... Wonderful thing about the US government, at first you don't succeed, keep lobbying until you do...

The whole thing is stupid IMHO. We're going to allow the government to "buy up" bad mortgages and "save" the economy.... What a load of crap. All we're doing is saving the worthless necks of the predators and miscreants who were architects of this economic fiasco. And absolving those lawmakers who changed the laws regarding federal oversight of the banking industry and paved the way for the sub-primes in the first place.

Instead, we should be looking to bolster consumer trust and put money back in the hands of the taxpayers. Consumers are the key to fixing this crisis, that, and allowing capitalism to do what it does best, manage the markets!

By allowing the FEDERAL government to bail out the banks, all were doing is "short-circuiting" the process required to effect a true economic recovery. Typical of the Bush Administration to "throw more money at it"...

So now, with unemployment at an all time high, we're going to struggle more with a greater tax burden foisted upon the middle class...:nope:

[Skybird]

The bailout is a done deal. El Presidente signed it yesterday... Wonderful thing about the US government, at first you don't succeed, keep lobbying until you do...
Come to the EU and see this art being brought to total perfection. even more, if you have a political proposal you can't bring through national parliament, bypass parliament and bring it up by some EU commissioner. It then gets formed into a binding directive that the EU presents to the stubborn parliamnt at home in form of a demand, and it gets waved through, undebated.

Fantastic! That is serving democracy! And democracy should serve indeed: for lobbies, powerpolitics, liars, frauds and selfish individual factions.

http://www.smileygarden.de/smilie/Kotzen/33.gif (http://www.smileygarden.de)

[DeepIron]

That is serving democracy! And democracy should serve indeed: for lobbies, powerpolitics, liars, frauds and selfish individual factions.
And so it does! I think one of the reasons I've so angry about the whole matter is that the deal went through, tended along the way by the very political cretins that helped create it! Anyone who thinks that the finance industry wasn't pulling strings in the background on this is a fool IMO.

So, the bad guys win again and millions of taxpayers will shoulder the burden. Again.
I'm reminded of the scene in Ben Hur when the slaves on the Roman galley are told "You live to serve this ship, so row well and live". Well, as a US taxpayer and citizen, I feel more and more like a galley slave as the years, and administrations go by...

[SteamWake]

Bush had to say something if nothing else to calm emotions. As to his retirement benefits he dident exactly 'do nothing' wether you agree or disagree with his policys He inherited and took on some really difficult situations.

As to the bill..... Its called socalisim. A lofty goal strived for by the left and their willing accomplises in the mainstream media for the last 12 years or so slowly coming to fruition.

Makes me so mad I could spit. :damn:

The bill while well intended bloated to the size of a novel with so many earmarks and riders to 'sway' votes its absolutly nothing short of shamefull.

Ill never understand the sense of urgency behind it other than the timing. I sincerley doubt that the average american doesent have a clue to what is actually in the bill let alone the senators that actually voted on it.

For instance did you know that the bill will assume the pension packages for union members that the corporations had passed to the unions and now the unions have passed on to the tax payer?

There is a grant to some company that makes wooden toy arrows, another grant to a vodka producer, the list goes on and on.

By the way Hillary still owes me that christmass gift she promised last december.

Horray for the Democratic controlled Congress... Good Job! ..... Sassin frassin friggin riggin son of a bumpkins.

[DeepIron]

Bush had to say something if nothing else to calm emotions.
:lol: I saw his address. I was so infuriated with his condescension I had to leave the room. I can hardly stand to watch or listen to the putz anymore.

As to his retirement benefits he didn't exactly 'do nothing' whether you agree or disagree with his policies he inherited and took on some really difficult situations. And was totally incompetent in handling them too. I can't think of a single issue in his 8 year 'reign' that he has successfully brought to fruition... There's a reason "Dubb-Ya's" popularity ratings are so low... :shifty:

[GlobalExplorer]

This is called farewell present.

[DeepIron]

This is called farewell present.Yep. Yet another part of the "Bush Legacy"...

[GlobalExplorer]

Something tells me this man will go down in history as a failure of Napoleon III proportions.

[UnderseaLcpl]

Why did they vote again on this? I though it was finished after the first vote? How many times can they bring this up if it was refused again?

That's not how it works, dude.

For all intents and purposes, bills can be reintroduced an infinite number of times, as long as they do not contain the precise wording of a defeated bill.


The initital bailout package was defeated, and that was good, but most congressmen seem to agree that some form of bailout package and/or state takeover of banks is necessary. They're just arguing over details now.

This bailout is going to happen, one way or the other. The result is going to be a direct, almost catastrophic inflation of the currency, offset by Wall Street investors scraping what they can get out of the resultant spike in consumer confidence before dumping their investments on unsuspecting fools.

I can't say with certainty that the harmful effects of the bailout will follow the bailout itself imediately. There are a lot of factors to consider that make it hard to offer an educated guess. Historically, the U.S. government has done a good job of postponing economic damage by borrowing and/or printing money. Maybe they will succeed this time, but I doubt that.

We are approaching a critical point in unsustainable state economic policy. Sooner or later (probably sooner), we are going to reap the harvest that our representatives have sown.

Every great empire/nation that has ever exsisted was destroyed from within by state-sponsored economic failure before being torn apart by external forces. The U.S. is no exception.

China will rise, and then it will fall, just as the Soviet Union did. Their economy will be bled dry by plutocrats. In fact, they will enjoy an even shorter tenure than the U.S. as a superpower, because they embrace heavy-handed state economics. (except in the special economic zones, which are what made them powerful in the first place. But just watch as they are destroyed by state policy. Politics beats economics every time)

I wish the E.U. would step up to the plate, but they have already made clear that they prefer to exsist as a collection of seperate nations that will remain mired in a diplomatic bog for the forseeable future.

America's time will come again, though. It's going to take some time to get the issues sorted out. It is quite possible that none of us will be alive to see it. Hopefully, we will rise upon the the principles of personal freedom and the free market again.

For now, though, it is too late. We entrusted the welfare of the nation to a bunch of idiots whose only real specialty was manipulating public opinion. In short, a bunch of liars.

Take Palin, for instance. There are a lot of good reasons why she shouldn't be the VP, but she and McCain will take the White House in November. Just wait and see.
She was a political masterstroke by McCain. Absolutely astounding. Her nomination will rob the Democrats of a big chunk of one of their principle voting demographics.
McCain is a sly dog. Or at least his campaign is full of sly dogs. What a brilliant counter to America's first serious black presidental candidate.

Not that Obama is any better. He talks about change, but he has no plan to produce it. Basically, he just promises free stuff. Real change would be reversing Federal spending policy and returning America to a position of economic dominance. All Obama offers is more of the same, whatever he calls it. The only good thing I see from him is a promise to bring troops home from Iraq. Yeah, whatever.:roll: There is no chance in hell that he will do that. The political implications of leaving Iraq in the mess it is in are simply mind-boggling. Can anyone the imagine the international repurcussions of America withdrawing and saying "sorry, we screwed up"? The Democratic Party would be ruined for at least a couple of decades.


At the last, I will say that I don't have any personal issues with any of these people. I'm sure that if I were to meet McCain or Obama, we would get along famously. They only want to do what is best for the country. And there lies the danger. They think they know what is best for the country.

Nobody knows what is best for everyone. Freedom and choice have made America powerful. So powerful that the entire world is about to feel the repurcussions of our downfall. Why on Earth would we ever sacrifice personal and economic freedom to some idiot who promises to take care of us?

Politics isn't about who can do what is best for the nation. It is about who says they will do what is best for the nation in the most convincing fashion.

Thomas Jefferson cautioned us about the dangers of Democracy. The tyranny of the masses has brought us to this place. The only solution is to limit the power of the state as much as possible. The State's only role should be to eliminate fraud and deception in trade, via stiff penalties, and to protect us from external threats.

Naturally, none of that will happen, as most U.S. citizens are educated by state schools that teach us that our "Democratic:rotfl: " process is the proper means of addressing problems.

The hand that rocks the cradle rules the world. All of us will suffer while the political elite prosper, as they always have. :nope:

[DeepIron]

Something tells me this man will go down in history as a failure of Napoleon III proportions.You know... that's my one real hope. I would like to see history record this man as the incompetent boob that he really is...

Seriously... can anyone think of a 20th Century American President whose time in office has been so injurious to America? I can't. Sure, they all have had their gaffes and issues, but I can't think of a single one that has brought stupidity of such monumental proportions to the office.

[Thomen]

Something tells me this man will go down in history as a failure of Napoleon III proportions.You know... that's my one real hope. I would like to see history record this man as the incompetent boob that he really is...

Seriously... can anyone think of a 20th Century American President whose time in office has been so injurious to America? I can't. Sure, they all have had their gaffes and issues, but I can't think of a single one that has brought stupidity of such monumental proportions to the office.

How about getting impeached and then refuse to resign?

[Sailor Steve]

I'm sure that if I were to meet McCain or Obama, we would get along famously. They only want to do what is best for the country. And there lies the danger. They think they know what is best for the country.
:rotfl:

Well said!

Actually the rest was good too, especially your summation at the end. I just liked this part.

How about getting impeached and then refuse to resign?
Actually if the impeachment and trial didn't remove the guy from office, why would he resign? As far as the record goes he was vindicated. It's resigning that would have been stupid.

[Molon Labe]

So now, with unemployment at an all time high, we're going to struggle more with a greater tax burden foisted upon the middle class...:nope:
6.1% is an all time high? TGTBFKM!

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[Molon Labe]

Something tells me this man will go down in history as a failure of Napoleon III proportions.You know... that's my one real hope. I would like to see history record this man as the incompetent boob that he really is...

Seriously... can anyone think of a 20th Century American President whose time in office has been so injurious to America? I can't. Sure, they all have had their gaffes and issues, but I can't think of a single one that has brought stupidity of such monumental proportions to the office.

Woodrow Wilson (D); Negotiated Treaty of Versailles; sold out on "peace without victory," in exchange for the failed League of Nations, compromising to force Germany into harsh reparations which all but guaranteed WWII
Warren Harding (R); Washington Naval Conference; which but for FDR and Carl Vinson would have left us woefully unprepared for WWII
Lydon Johnson (D); Great Society, ****ing up Vietnam so badly not even Petraeus could have saved it.
James Carter (D); Impotence in the face of our worst 'energy crisis,' and Iran; instigating the USSR-Afghanistan war by aiding and arming Islamist fighters to give the USSR "their own Vietnam."

These four are easily ahead...for now. But, as with these four, the damage done is best assessed with hindsight. The Iraq factor is mostly known; Bush mishandled it, then saved it. It cost us international political capital. Perhaps in the future it will be a shining example of how democracy and Islam can co-exist, but the effects of that may not be known for decades. (If that plays out though, then we wouldn't be talking about Bush as someone who caused damage, but as one of the most successful Presidents in history.) More immediately is the question of Iran, and perhaps, Pakistan. If the Iraq war has caused us to be so weak as to lack the capacity to either finally deter Iran from obtaining nuclear weapons or stop them through force, then Bush will climb a few rungs on the 'damage ladder.' Similarly, if cross-border raids into Pakistan cause an Islamic revolution there, creating an Iran-style government (like what happened on Carter's watch) but already armed with nukes, Bush climbs the ladder.

[August]

Seriously... can anyone think of a 20th Century American President whose time in office has been so injurious to America? I can't. Sure, they all have had their gaffes and issues, but I can't think of a single one that has brought stupidity of such monumental proportions to the office.

I can't think of one 20th century president who's detractors didn't say stuff like that about them, especially in the lame duck phase of their presidency.

[Wolfehunter]

Thanks for the answer undersealcpl.

Problem is 99% of the americans are going to suffer for the 1% running the show. :nope:

[DeepIron]

I can't think of one 20th century president who's detractors didn't say stuff like that about them, especially in the lame duck phase of their presidency.Well I thank God I'm not one of them! I've disliked Bush and his "policies" since the beginning of the Iraqi War... Somehow, I felt his credibility was compromised when they failed to find WMDs... But, that's just me...

The Iraq factor is mostly known; Bush mishandled it, then saved it. Hmmm... not in my book he hasn't. We're still there and the Iraqis still can't handle the situation on their own yet... http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7647722.stm and http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7645295.stm for the latest example of this...

It cost us international political capital. Perhaps in the future it will be a shining example of how democracy and Islam can co-exist, but the effects of that may not be known for decades. (If that plays out though, then we wouldn't be talking about Bush as someone who caused damage, but as one of the most successful Presidents in history.)I'm more concerned with the "here and now" really. The effects are tangible and real right now. Some of the fallout from decisions made by the Bush Administration will last decades and generations into the future of our kids and grand kids...

[magic452]

Molon Labe shows he has a memory longer than the tip of his finger.
his top 4 is spot on. Bush is giving them a good race. I don't see
that kind of success in Iraq though, Bush will be #5 at least.

Pakistan is my biggest worry for the reasons stated.


The biggest problem is that American voters spend more time and though on
who they will vote for on American Idle than they do their congressman and president

[nikimcbee]

When I saw the thread title, I was hoping you were talking about me, because i can always use some extra money.:D

[Frame57]

Molon Labe shows he has a memory longer than the tip of his finger.
his top 4 is spot on. Bush is giving them a good race. I don't see
that kind of success in Iraq though, Bush will be #5 at least.

Pakistan is my biggest worry for the reasons stated.


The biggest problem is that American voters spend more time and though on
who they will vote for on American Idle than they do their congressman and presidentI think you are right on the money...