Dissappoinment..maybe??

[Mingus]

Hi everyone...

I am a SH3 veteran and regular visitor this forum, as i was in the active duty i found chance to play sh4 yet.

First of all i didnt like sh4 as sh3 actually. i was playing with grey wolves mod and couple of other small add-ons.

There are some issues i didnt like when compared to sh3

- Some vital functions are missing. range with current speed, i cant see it... i am unable to learn weather conditions also. my watch officer doesn't repeat me contacts if i wish to hear, actually wo buttons are missing.

- I cant see features and differences of sub classes in-game (range, weight etc..)

- There are no keyboard mapping for some vital functions

-Fuel is a huge problem, i cant even patrol and come back to base on some missions. (of course 10 knot is the cake, i know it)

- There are zillions of planes, which is unrealistic. i cant even sail for 5-10 min w/o an airplane contact.

- Some speech files are missing.

-Are there minefileds in sh4?...i sometimes badaboom without any reason.

- And no back to base option...come on.. you send me to japan and are you gonna let me die in the ocean :)

- A new and stupid TDC, i am having to trouble to use it.

Anyway, so far its a disappointment for me...i am gonna check a while, maybe go back to my sh3+grey wolves combo.

Nice to seeyou again.

At ease :)

[Rockin Robbins]

Hi everyone...

I am a SH3 veteran and regular visitor this forum, as i was in the active duty i found chance to play sh4 yet.

First of all i didnt like sh4 as sh3 actually. i was playing with grey wolves mod and couple of other small add-ons.

There are some issues i didnt like when compared to sh3

- Some vital functions are missing. range with current speed, i cant see it... i am unable to learn weather conditions also. my watch officer doesn't repeat me contacts if i wish to hear, actually wo buttons are missing.
All these are in the game. With Trigger Maru and perhaps the stock game ctrl-w gets you the weather, there are buttons to give you range with current speed, time to next checkpoint, repeat contact, all that stuff. Stop demanding that SH4 work like SH3 and start learning the game for what it is. Trying to learn what is not is self-fulfilling disappointment.

- I cant see features and differences of sub classes in-game (range, weight etc..) Can you see that in SH3? What kind of features do you mean. Unlike the German subs, American subs with the exception of the WWI S-Boat were all close relatives, with little more than diving depth and torpedo tube count to distinguish them. It would have been quite difficult to tell them apart without a scorecard.

- There are no keyboard mapping for some vital functions
Just like SH3. There are keyboard editors. In fact I use the one from SH3! The functions you want are there. SH4 devs chose to let the almighty button bars take the place of your beloved keyboard commands. Luckily you can bring them back.

-Fuel is a huge problem, i cant even patrol and come back to base on some missions. (of course 10 knot is the cake, i know it)
The Pacific is a big ocean. Trust me, you have plenty of fuel to comfortably complete any mission. Your boat is not a U-Boat, the Pacific is not a bugged Atlantic. It is all a matter of mind and attitude. If you started out in SH4 you'd be disappointed in SH3.

- There are zillions of planes, which is unrealistic. i cant even sail for 5-10 min w/o an airplane contact.
Standard sermon #1. First of all I go on the surface everywhere and don't have a problem with too many airplanes. Don't be sighted. In the early war the Japanese have no natural predators and they swarm. When you are sighted, patrols swarm to you continuously for hours. If you are unsighted for half a day you'll see the frequency fall. A sub with radar need not fear any number of planes.:arrgh!:

- Some speech files are missing.
How in the world do I answer that. SH3 and 4 are different games. How are we to determine a missing speech file? I'll grant "rudder...rudder" but affirmative action you know.:rotfl:Differences are not defects.

-Are there minefileds in sh4?...i sometimes badaboom without any reason.
There are minefields in some mods but not in the stock game. If you go badaboom there is a reason, although you may not know what it is. Check the replay.

- And no back to base option...come on.. you send me to japan and are you gonna let me die in the ocean :)
Show me the back to base option in any U-Boat or submarine and I'll grant that it belongs in the game. If you want to die in the ocean you need to get out of real submarines and back into a U-Boat. They were the experts at dying in the ocean.:rotfl:

- A new and stupid TDC, i am having to trouble to use it.
Gotta get the old Ronald Reagan voice ready. Ahem...... There you go again! When you figure out how to set the German TDC, dive to 150' and shoot three torpedoes blind for three hits on a freighter, you can tell me how stupid the American TDC is. Any Bozo can do that with the "stupid" American TDC and it is absolutely impossible with a U-Boat.


Maybe I didn't make myself clear. Quit trying to turn your Fleet Boat into a U-Boat!!!! I would say the same thing to someone trying Fleet Boat follies in a U-Boat. Learn what a fleet boat is and how it operates and you'll appreciate its superiority. It will make you a better U-Boat skipper too, just as being able in a U-Boat makes me a better fleet boat skipper.

Anyway, so far its a disappointment for me...i am gonna check a while, maybe go back to my sh3+grey wolves combo.

Nice to seeyou again.

At ease :)

The doctor prescribes a severe attitude adjustment. Time to forget how you did it in the U-Boat, fire up the ice cream machine, enjoy the air conditioning, faster submerged speed, faster surfaced speed, much improved firepower, edible food, and the prospect of victory rather than death. Start from scratch, figuring not what's missing from the U-Boat, but how the American boat works. It's different. It's not worse.

It's just as tough going the other direction, believe me! But knowing both and appreciating both makes you a better skipper of both. Get with the program, sir!:up:

[Monica Lewinsky]

Give 'em the stuff. Great post Mr. Robbins.

[difool2]

To be fair, many of the keyboard commands referenced in post #2 were inexplicably deactivated in the vanilla game; you have to go through the commands.cfg file and laboriously re-enable many of them. Or-install a mod like Trigger Maru.

[Rockin Robbins]

Give 'em the stuff. Great post Mr. Robbins.
All in good humor, sir. It is a frustrating thing he does. My first days on the U-Boat I was going crazy looking for the bathroom. Had to poop on the cigarette deck. Then when I finally found the scheiss haus I tried working the controls the same as in my fleet boat and blew scheiss all over the bulkhead. I shoulda done it on deck after all.

Those guys measure their speed in good old knots, but screw it all up with @#$%@ meters, and kilograms and some @#$# stangenfarnrohr and freakin' kippwinkle. Then there's some contraption called the okularkopf. It's all damned weird. Why do they have to use all them foreign words anyway? You think I'm kiddin'?

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Read it and weep. No human being should have to endure such claptrap. Roman damn numerals on the torpedo tubes. They have a high falutin' opinion of theirselves, don't they? Missed my ice cream too. Makes me freakin' grouchy, that's what it does...

[SteamWake]

What you need is some good ole rum rasin ice cream... with real rum :|\\

[breadcatcher101]

As to the many planes, in the book "Silent Victory" by Clay Blair he states that early in the war it was common pratice for the boats to be below the surface during daylight due to the Japanese control of the skies. Having to dive every few minutes just wore out the crews so they would surface at night an recharge batteries and do their attacks.

[peewee]

As to the many planes, in the book "Silent Victory" by Clay Blair he states that early in the war it was common pratice for the boats to be below the surface during daylight due to the Japanese control of the skies. Having to dive every few minutes just wore out the crews so they would surface at night an recharge batteries and do their attacks.

perxackerly.........

[Seminole]

To be fair, many of the keyboard commands referenced in post #2 were inexplicably deactivated in the vanilla game; you have to go through the commands.cfg file and laboriously re-enable many of them. Or-install a mod like Trigger Maru.


..or just extract the commands.cfg file from TMO and place it in the vanilla version...:yep:

[kylesplanet]

If you install RSRDC, you will have no more problems with planes. I have went four or five patrols without seeing a plane. As a matter of fact, I am in a S-Boat in early 42 and just strolled through Rabul on the surface (except in front of the harbor entrance. DD there.) and no planes whatsoever.

[doulos05]

If you install RSRDC, you will have no more problems with planes. I have went four or five patrols without seeing a plane. As a matter of fact, I am in a S-Boat in early 42 and just strolled through Rabul on the surface (except in front of the harbor entrance. DD there.) and no planes whatsoever.

Wow, that's almost too good. Sure Rabul would have some sort of CAP. Even just the occasional Zero.

EDIT: Not that I'd complain about those sorts of odds, I hate jap planes

[Wilcke]

I always find these posts so interesting. What do you suppose he really wanted? I collect all unloved copies of SH4 and install them in PC's at the Nursing Home; the Alzheimer's patients just love them. PM for an address.

Time to Roll Out the Lovely Lillies!

[Quillan]

Wow, that's almost too good. Sure Rabul would have some sort of CAP. Even just the occasional Zero.

EDIT: Not that I'd complain about those sorts of odds, I hate jap planes

The stock game put in all sorts of aircraft. Several of the later mods changed that so that the only planes you'll see are aircraft dedicated to hunting for enemy submarines. You don't see the CAP aircraft; they're scanning the skies and not the ocean. You do see the ASW patrol planes. And when you get spotted, they task everything to ASW. I'm surprised you don't get buzzed by the kitchen sink!

[cgjimeneza]

So, you miss your Uboat, do this:

get op monsun iV400 plus patches n the ATO mods
get the german language packs
get the menumaker and make the buttons as you like them

when you do that try the north atlantic or the east coast of england with the minefileds

a few months later try the bay of bizcay:
stay on the surface
wave to the nice guys of RAF coastal Command when they come bomb you
PS leave an address for the floral arrangements.
you will love a PBY comming at you or a Sunderland

Try the east coast of africa and go deep when the RN finds your sub as you approach a convoy

Want it easy you say?
try going to the east coast of the USA in December 41-early 1942

and in real life:
wait two months and try the upcomming V500
see you in the Med if you get there


:arrgh!: :arrgh!: :arrgh!:

then try Real Fleet Boat or Trigger Maru Overhauled, both with Run Silent Run Deep
go find bungo pete
say hi to the little fishes

SH4 is a different beast with many nice touches.... go all over the world, experience different storms, enjoy the island views, see many CVs, BBs, etc, shoot at japanese submarines.... and soon enough experience complete surface mods in the RN and the Kriegsmarine

[Rockin Robbins]

a few months later try the bay of bizcay:
stay on the surface
wave to the nice guys of RAF coastal Command when they come bomb you
PS leave an address for the floral arrangements.
you will love a PBY comming at you or a Sunderland

then try Real Fleet Boat or Trigger Maru Overhauled, both with Run Silent Run Deep
go find bungo pete
say hi to the little fishes

SH4 is a different beast with many nice touches.... go all over the world, experience different storms, enjoy the island views, see many CVs, BBs, etc, shoot at japanese submarines.... and soon enough experience complete surface mods in the RN and the Kriegsmarine

Wave hi to the RAF Coastal Command????? Those suckers have anti-submarine rockets!!! I lasted less than five minutes trying to shoot at them.
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Overall great advice for anyone who thinks they are bored with the game.:up:

[cgjimeneza]

a few months later try the bay of bizcay:
stay on the surface
wave to the nice guys of RAF coastal Command when they come bomb you
PS leave an address for the floral arrangements.
you will love a PBY comming at you or a Sunderland

then try Real Fleet Boat or Trigger Maru Overhauled, both with Run Silent Run Deep
go find bungo pete
say hi to the little fishes

SH4 is a different beast with many nice touches.... go all over the world, experience different storms, enjoy the island views, see many CVs, BBs, etc, shoot at japanese submarines.... and soon enough experience complete surface mods in the RN and the Kriegsmarine

Wave hi to the RAF Coastal Command????? Those suckers have anti-submarine rockets!!! I lasted less than five minutes trying to shoot at them.
http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa293/RockinRobbins13/smileys/what.gif

Overall great advice for anyone who thinks they are bored with the game.:up:

I say wave before firing at them....

see the following from HMS Surprise, by Patrick Obrian:

Mr White looked up at the mizen-peak, where a tricolour streamed out bravely. 'It is the French flag,' he cried. 'No. The Dutch. We are sailing under false colours! Can such things be?'

'So are they,' said Stephen. 'They seek to amuse us; we seek to amuse them. The iniquity is evenly divided. It is an accepted convention, I find, like bidding the servant - 'A shot from the Sémillante's bow-chaser threw up a plume of water a little way from the frigate's stern, and the parson started back. '- say you are not at home, when in fact you are eating muffin by your fire and do not choose to be disturbed.'

'I often did so,' said Mr White, whose face had grown strangely mottled. 'God forgive me. And now here I am in the midst of battle. I never thought such a thing could happen - I am a man of peace. However, I must not give a bad example.'

A (cannon) ball, striking the top of a wave, ricocheted on to the quarterdeck by way of the neatly piled hammocks. It fell with a harmless dump and two midshipmen darted for it, struggled briefly until the stronger wrested it away and wrapped it lovingly in his jacket. 'Good heavens,' cried Mr White. 'To fire great iron balls at people you have never even spoken to - barbarity is come again.'

[Sandman_28054]

Boy, you guys are really tuff on a person.

Personally, I like the "Exit Patrol" function on SH3 also.

When in Pearl, it might take 45 minutes to an hour to reach the South China Seas. "X" amout of time patroling, then another 45 minutes to an hour cruising home.

Some missions might take as long as 3 hours to complete. (Or longer)

Oh, and don't tell anybody here on the forums you have severe damage, are limping home, no torps, no ammo for the deck guns, hoping and praying you don't run into a san-pan that all it would have to do is look your direction and you'd sink.

The "glory" days of the 1940's, there gone! Almost 70 years ago!

So what if he doesn't like playing 100% realism.

So what if he doesn't like playing the same way you guys do.

Its a g-a-m-e.

Ain't that the thing about it being a g-a-m-e? We can play it any way we see fit?

That is exactly why I almost quit posting here.

You guys are so "hyper-critical" of ppl.

God Bless

Till all are one.

[cgjimeneza]

Mingus says SH4 is different

What I say is that stock sh4 is booring, unrealistic.

He likes U boats, I gave him our version (in progress) of Uboats

He wants challenge, I point him to TMO, RSRD and Bungo Pete

He wants realism, go for RFB+RSRD

He wants speed, try the PT mod in progress

in a short time hopefully he can drive I-boats with a jap crew for the whole war

SH4 has great possibilities and honestly.... I loved GWX2.1... but it took over 15 to 20 minutes to load and begin running.... I have heavy modded sh4 running in under 2 minutes.

my point is for him to give sh4, properly modded, a try, then see what she`s got to offer

[elanaiba]

The stock game put in all sorts of aircraft. Several of the later mods changed that so that the only planes you'll see are aircraft dedicated to hunting for enemy submarines. You don't see the CAP aircraft; they're scanning the skies and not the ocean. You do see the ASW patrol planes. And when you get spotted, they task everything to ASW. I'm surprised you don't get buzzed by the kitchen sink!

Actually I think its 1.5 (uboat missions add-on) that brought this change. Though there are for sure lots and lots of community changes/mods/tunings in that direction.

[Rockin Robbins]

Boy, you guys are really tuff on a person.

Personally, I like the "Exit Patrol" function on SH3 also. ....

The "glory" days of the 1940's, there gone! Almost 70 years ago!

So what if he doesn't like playing 100% realism.

So what if he doesn't like playing the same way you guys do.

Its a g-a-m-e.

Ain't that the thing about it being a g-a-m-e? We can play it any way we see fit?

That is exactly why I almost quit posting here.

You guys are so "hyper-critical" of ppl.

God Bless

Till all are one.
All will never be one. And you seem to be reading a very different thread than this one, which has been filled with humor and good nature. We have stood for the rights of all to play as they wish and then proceeded to offer suggestions for fixing his concerns. Breadcatcher and peewee showed that his concern with "too many airplanes" is a false one, assuming that Mingus means "many more than reality."

I attempted to illustrate the inappropriatness of judging fleet boat behavior by U-Boat standards with an attempted humorous post about my trials in a U-Boat judged by fleet boat standards. I hope that the reader considered my squealing about "why do they have to use all these foreign words anyway" and my rant about the metric system to be as ridiculous as Mingus' criticism of fleet boat TDC and "too many planes." I hope people laughed and considered my posts to be in perfectly good humor and without rancor. Just because the American TDC is accessed from the periscope screen doesn't mean the U-Boat SHOULD work that way. I hope they caught my point that someone moving from fleet boats to U-Boats would do best to take my advice: forget what you learned about fleet boats and learn the darn U-Boat.

Obviously you did not. You seem to consider it justification for a righteous claim of martyrdom,
That is exactly why I almost quit posting here.

You guys are so "hyper-critical" of ppl. Although I weep for you, I think you need to grow a backbone. There has been no hyper-anything here. It is very clear who is closed minded here and who is opening up the possibilities with specific instructions on how to play the game to whatever taste the OP has, while seeking with good humor to persuade him to do so with a positive attitude of discovery rather than prejudiced complaint.

[ancient46]

Search for SH4 Keyboard Configurator ver 1.0 by Kevin Castellano June 2007. You can map keys to your heart's content with this tool. Since my keyboard links both enter keys together I needed to map the fire command to a different key(F) so I found this.

[cgjimeneza]

Search for SH4 Keyboard Configurator ver 1.0 by Kevin Castellano June 2007. You can map keys to your heart's content with this tool. Since my keyboard links both enter keys together I needed to map the fire command to a different key(F) so I found this.

tell me about it.... damm keypad enter too close to time compression... lost a lot of eels that way :)

[SteamWake]

Search for SH4 Keyboard Configurator ver 1.0 by Kevin Castellano June 2007. You can map keys to your heart's content with this tool. Since my keyboard links both enter keys together I needed to map the fire command to a different key(F) so I found this.

tell me about it.... damm keypad enter too close to time compression... lost a lot of eels that way :)

Ive posted this many times before but its still funny.

Nothing like hitting that enter key while sailing out of or into port... ooops 'KABOOM" :huh:

Anyhow thats the first thing I edit out with a fresh install, well that was before most of the major mods take it out. The decision to use that enter key right next to time compression was not well though out.

[Sailor Steve]

Had the same problem with SH3, but it was the other Enter key. When I fly around in external view I hold the mouse in my right hand and use the Numpad '8' key for most movement. If I had to move a long way I'd stretch my thumb over to the Shift key. Guess what's right above it?