How did you die this time?

[BasilY]

For those of us who play DID, I want to take a survey on the method of death experienced by skippers playing SH3/GWX. Feel free to add your comments.

P.S. I am also very curious to find out how big the disparity between SH3/GWX and real life as to the cause of uboat losts.

[Task Force]

So far with my current carrear I havent been killed.

But my last carear had a suddent end.

I was under attack, Three distroyers had me cornered in s bad situation, They had dropped DCs all around me and my hull was leaking. As my boat rested on the shallow bottom, the flooding increased but the front of my boat was almost at the surface.Then two DCs landed in the right place to do inreparabel to my stern torpedo room. Finaly the bow of my boat was rammed and I was now completely on the bottom, Now a sitting duck, I couldnt Blow ballast to surface,I was stuck. A distroyer went over me and hit me with three DCs and that was the end to that boat.:shifty:

[TFatseas]

Usually depth charge by destroyer.

The hardest part I find is to get into attack position without being detected, if I can do that I'm pretty safe.

[Task Force]

So far with my current carrear I havent been killed.

But my last carear had a suddent end.

I was under attack, Three distroyers had me cornered in s bad situation, They had dropped DCs all around me and my hull was leaking. As my boat rested on the shallow bottom, the flooding increased but the front of my boat was almost at the surface.Then two DCs landed in the right place to do inreparabel to my stern torpedo room. Finaly the bow of my boat was rammed and I was now completely on the bottom, Now a sitting duck, I couldnt Blow ballast to surface,I was stuck. A distroyer went over me and hit me with three DCs and that was the end to that boat.:shifty:

I thought Id tell the reason I didnt get out of this one. I was in Shallow water where I could barley go 30m. If I could have gone deep I would have been fine.:D

[GoldenRivet]

my most recent one - couple of months ago - trying to get out of a convoy.

i was around 270 meters and took some hedge hogs which caused flooding.

worked on the damage, but the depth charges caused more damage moments later.

because of the additional damage, 270 meters was too much and i experienced implosion due to sea pressure :nope:

[Task Force]

my most recent one - couple of months ago - trying to get out of a convoy.

i was around 270 meters and took some hedge hogs which caused flooding.

worked on the damage, but the depth charges caused more damage moments later.

because of the additional damage, 270 meters was too much and i experienced implosion due to sea pressure :nope:

They got you to huh.:rotfl:

[GoldenRivet]

well yes and no.

I have my main career... and i have a few sub-careers so to speak.

My main career has survived so far

[BasilY]

I was patrolling the northern entrance of the Hebrides in 45 and was discovered by a lone destroyer at night. I probably forgot to lower my snorkel. She got me with the hedgehogs. Before I go down, I sunk her as well. Misery loves company...:nope:

[Kipparikalle]

I got rammed by merchant while I was underwater


God damn you Bernard

[Wreford-Brown]

I've just been reading 'Atlantic Escorts' by David K Brown and there is some fascinating information that has changed some of my views of the U-boat war. For example, in the early part of the war the most effective method of killing a U-boat was ramming as the pressure hull of a U-boat was resistant to most surface guns (given its curvature and strength) and the guns were also wildly inaccurate in most forms of weather. The most effective method of surviving early war attacks was to fight it out on the surface as the guns carried on most escorts could not traverse as quickly as the U-boat could turn, and U-boats had a speed advantage (try that in SH3!!!).

Causes of U-boat sinkings to May 1940:
Surface Vessels 13.5 (the 0.5 indicates a shared kill)
Aircraft 2.5
Submarine 3
Mines 4
Accidents/Unknown 1 (some of these could be attributed to mines)
Total 24

Causes of U-boat sinkings Jun 1940 to Mar 1941:
Surface Vessels 8.5
Aircraft 0.5
Submarine 1
Mines 1
Accident/Unknown 4

Causes of U-boat sinkings Apr to Dec 1941
Surface 21
A/c 4
Sub 2
Mines 0
U/k 3

Jan to Jun 1942:
Surface 17.5
A/c 10.5
Sub 1
Mine 1
U/k 2

Aug 1942 to May 1943:
Surface 53
A/c 8
Sub 5
Mine 4
U/k 8

Jun to Sep 1943:
Surface 16.5
A/c 64.5
Sub 2
Mine 1
U/k 5

Oct 1943 to May 1944:
Surface 59.5
A/c 83.5
Sub 3
Mine 3
U/k 13

May 1944 to end of war:
Surface 85.5
A/c 163.5
Sub 8
Mine 20
U/k 41

[Wreford-Brown]

There are also some interesing stats on type of escort. Whilst these can not be taken in isolation (for example, there were many more Flower Class than Castle Class) it gives an idea of the contribution of each class of ship to the destruction of U-boats in the North Atlantic.

U-boat sinkings by class of ship in the North Atlantic:
Destroyers
Modern 9
Inter war 39
Older (WW1) 26
Town 8
Hunt 8
Sloops
Black Swan 28
Older 12
Frigates
River 22
Loch 12
Captain 28
Colony 5
Corvettes
Flower 38
Castle 5

[GoldenRivet]

but the question is ... which one got you?

[G.K.]

January 1945- sunk while snorkeling at night with XXIII. Receiver did not detected the airplane until it was 1500 metres far. Then i saw bombs falling into water and got heavy damage on my aft ( the boat was thrown on surface from 20 metres...:) ). Then it sunk again, in 90 metres i ve emptied my ballast tanks and surfaced for the last time.... 14 men crew was not able to stop the flooding...:dead:

[Hitman]

How did you die this time?

He....not the usual one I'm afraid

To make a long story short: My wife opens the door and yells: "Little John (My youngest son) is cryinga nd whining, he doesn't want to sleep, I'm sick of this I'm done and I don't stand this rubbish anymore"

I go to to little John's room, calm him, read him a tale and leave him sleeping.

When I return to Sh3, a fu***g Sunderland has DCed my sub to death in the Bay of Biscay and my crew has died. :down: I guess my crew is in Valhalla talkings pests about little John :roll:

[Redbear]

For me, it was trying to get to a northbound convoy in grid BE in May 1944. Once the escorts detected me, I couldn't shake them. Eventually the depth charges did us in.

[Task Force]

January 1945- sunk while snorkeling at night with XXIII. Receiver did not detected the airplane until it was 1500 metres far. Then i saw bombs falling into water and got heavy damage on my aft ( the boat was thrown on surface from 20 metres...:) ). Then it sunk again, in 90 metres i ve emptied my ballast tanks and surfaced for the last time.... 14 men crew was not able to stop the flooding...:dead:

I had the same thing happen in OP monsun V400 for SH4.:yep: :lol:

[Wreford-Brown]

but the question is ... which one got you?

Black Swan while trying to get into a convoy. I was concentrating on the target rather than the situation and the next thing I heard was 'destroyer in attack run'.

[Brag]

Since we started gwixing, Balz been balzing around. But never got beyond early 42 due to upgrades. Right now in late 1940. :|\\

[Sailor Steve]

Air raid. I was in Paris on leave at the time.

[Wreford-Brown]

Historical sinkings (I've only just been bothered to do the Maths) in the North Atlantic were by the following:
Surface Vessels 275 (42.4%)
Aircraft 237 (36.6%)
Submarine 25 (4%)
Mines 34 (5%)
Accidents/Unknown 77 (12%)
For a total of 648 (100%)

So hopefully our poll will reflect these %

[Letum]

We seam to lack aircraft sinkings.
Is everyone playing in 1940?

[nirwana]

Meh we are too smart to run surfaced at daytime in areas where the damned hurricanes get us too easily 8P...

[Sailor Steve]

I haven't died in more than two years.




Of course I haven't played a career in more than two years...

[VonDos]

I've been found in Lock Ewe by in-patrol destroyers (2+aswTrawler)

[Sensekhmet]

For some reason, I never found aircraft to be that much of a hassle. Sure, they pop up sometimes but they usually miss or barely scratch me, then continue strafing. So far I've been sunk by a/c once, heavily damaged once (aborted patrol and sailed back home), I shot down one Kingfisher and one Sutherland, it's February of 1944, still in my creaking old IXB decked out with two twin 20mm and a twin 37mm.

[BasilY]

Historical sinkings (I've only just been bothered to do the Maths) in the North Atlantic were by the following:
Surface Vessels 275 (42.4%)
Aircraft 237 (36.6%)
Submarine 25 (4%)
Mines 34 (5%)
Accidents/Unknown 77 (12%)
For a total of 648 (100%)

So hopefully our poll will reflect these %

Unlikely, we in SH3 seem to respect air power a lot more than the real world captains. Afterall, we have the benefit of hintsight.:ping:

[sharkbit]

We seam to lack aircraft sinkings.
Is everyone playing in 1940?

My thoughts too. :hmm:

My last sinking was in Narvik in 1940 by destroyers after sinking the Nelson. :cry: Got the Oak Leaves added to my Knights Cross.....posthumously. :cry:

[Bronzewing]

Last time I bought it on patrol was rather embarrassing. Running surfaced at slow ahead in thick fog south of Ireland my boat got rammed in the starboard side of the engine room by a small oil tanker and broke up. Only other time was a direct bomb hit from aircraft. Never been sunk by a destroyer, though been badly damaged by a few.

[Erich dem Roten]

I never stick around long enough for aircraft anymore. Like I've seen others mention, I had that itch to try shooting one down...after all, I was shooting 10+ planes down in stock SH3, how hard could it be?

First try with GWX: Kingfisher bracketed me, killing all three flak gunners and damaging the watchtower.:nope:

Now I crash dive and cut the rudder hard in whichever direction is closest to my fingers.:oops:


I do enjoy harbor raiding though; I like to plan my attacks and have a lot of fun waiting for night so I can slip in and back out before getting pinned down. Not having any depth makes the rewards risky, but worthwhile.

[Task Force]

Amasingly ive only seen two aircraft in this campagine when raceing to beat the Warspite to Narvik and I got out after over a hour, and went to narvik base. Got DC for quite some time, also was in shallow waters.;) As of now, Im in mid 1940.:D

[Philipp_Thomsen]

One torpedo in the middle of a whale factory ship. She exploded hard, broke in half, and 2 seconds after, my chief reported several damage in the uboat, which kept getting worse and in 3 seconds my uboat was gone. The closest ship was the whale factory ship itself, 800meters away.

:shifty: :nope:

[nikimcbee]

Air raid. I was in Paris on leave at the time.

Now that's not what the medical report said!:rotfl: :oops: :hmm:

My recent actions: pressure hull failure after depth charge attack. (the down side of diving deep.:arrgh!: )

[Sensekhmet]

As for aircraft, it pisses me off to no end to see my crew shoot only one or two out of 3 fast firing pieces of hardware on by boat. Makes me feel bad about investing in a larger tower :damn:

[nirwana]

As for aircraft, it pisses me off to no end to see my crew shoot only one or two out of 3 fast firing pieces of hardware on by boat. Makes me feel bad about investing in a larger tower :damn:

I use a IXb atm with IX/2 tower equipped with 2 AA guns. I found a workaround for this annoying behavior. After i manned them i fire 1 clip manually with each AA guns. Then the AA crew is engaging with both guns the planes according to my orders when and at what targets they suppose to open fire. I have to do this everytime i decide to engage planes.

[JuanCudz]

This thread has come along at just the right time for a rant. I always play DiD until about a month ago when I lost my 5th sucessive career to 'Sudden Death Syndrome'. Sailing along merrily at 64x time compression when BANG, horrid grinding noise and insta-screen of death 'you died because of flooding' with no chance to do anything. I play GWX2.1 and have hit a mine or bottomed out a few times in my time and in some instances have been able to get damage control parties away and fix the holes in my boat, but I think it's criminal that this game is designed to rely on time compression fails to drop out into real time when the boat takes damage.
So now I play DiQD (Dead isn't Quite Dead) if I suffer from sudden death syndrome I restart patrol, horrid cheaty game.:dead:

[Sailor Steve]

"If he's only Mostly Dead, there's still hope!"
-Miracle Max

That's an old complaint, going right to day one of the game. It should at least tell you how and why you died. I think you'll find that most of us agree with you. If you're in an area known to have mines, you're on your own; but if it bites you for no reason, then you got cheated. You're also right about the time compression problem. It should drop you to 1x any time you take any damage. I used to grind my teeth about taking damage at all from scraping my keel in the sand, but having it stay at any TC at all had me grating my teeth.

"If he lives, It'll be a miracle!"
-Miracle Max

[BasilY]

This thread has come along at just the right time for a rant. I always play DiD until about a month ago when I lost my 5th sucessive career to 'Sudden Death Syndrome'. Sailing along merrily at 64x time compression when BANG, horrid grinding noise and insta-screen of death 'you died because of flooding' with no chance to do anything. I play GWX2.1 and have hit a mine or bottomed out a few times in my time and in some instances have been able to get damage control parties away and fix the holes in my boat, but I think it's criminal that this game is designed to rely on time compression fails to drop out into real time when the boat takes damage.
So now I play DiQD (Dead isn't Quite Dead) if I suffer from sudden death syndrome I restart patrol, horrid cheaty game.:dead:

Suffered that fate a few times in my previous careers. Very anoying indeed. At least this game should tell you what happen. But then come to think of it, quite a number of uboats throughout the war probably went down without the occupants having any ideas what did them in.

You want realism? sudden and unexpected death is probably a very real part of a uboat man's life.:doh:

[onelifecrisis]

Although I've seen it mentioned at subsim before, I've never ever had this "instant death at high TC" problem.

Maybe it's cos I don't TC through minefields. :hmm:

Or maybe it's just cos I don't go near mined waters at all unless ordered to do so by BDU. :hmm:

At any rate, I've yet to see a mine in SH3/GWX, and I've yet to see this instant death screen, too. Coincidence?

On topic, I've not yet died since starting in 1939/GWX2.1 but as soon as I do I'll cast my "vote". Great idea for a topic/poll! :up: :up:

[Morts]

surfaced too soon after checking out a port, thought there where only 2 ASW trawlers ) weather was good..so i was out running them
untill a destroyer popped up and went full speed into me after a long gunfight

[Philipp_Thomsen]

Only once I was killed by an aircraft.

I have all the guns I can have in my uboat, and once an aircraft is spotted, I aim my guns at it and fire until the guns start to get reddish.

The time I was sank by an aircraft was quite funny. I was shooting at it, and then I hitted her left engine. Was a bomber. My crew started cheering for the victory over the plane... "YEAAHHHH!!!".. the plane was diving fast, spinning hard left, in a semi-curve trajectory, coming near the uboat... the cheering started to change.. "yeah... y... yeah? ... oh man... oh maaaaaaaannn... NOOOOOOOOOO"

The plane landed on my deck. :shifty:

[Task Force]

Ive never been killed by a airplain, of course its 1940 and Ive never gone past late 1940 with a carrear, This one is diffrent though, I plan to go to 1945.:D

[Jimbuna]

No option for death from an incureable STD contracted whilst on shore leave :hmm:

[Kipparikalle]

For this day: A Wellington decidet to play kamikaze and crashed on me after bursting in flames.

It happened so fast, after it blowing up I was like "alright chaps! Let's return to course.
When suddenly "vroom-vrom-vrooOOm-VROM-VROOOOOM-*CREASHBOOM* "

I ****ing shat brickhouse, totally I didn't expect it at all.

[Sensekhmet]

Hm, come to think about it, the big ass flying boat I shot down crashed suspiciously close to the boat... :hmm:

[BasilY]

Only once I was killed by an aircraft.

I have all the guns I can have in my uboat, and once an aircraft is spotted, I aim my guns at it and fire until the guns start to get reddish.

The time I was sank by an aircraft was quite funny. I was shooting at it, and then I hitted her left engine. Was a bomber. My crew started cheering for the victory over the plane... "YEAAHHHH!!!".. the plane was diving fast, spinning hard left, in a semi-curve trajectory, coming near the uboat... the cheering started to change.. "yeah... y... yeah? ... oh man... oh maaaaaaaannn... NOOOOOOOOOO"

The plane landed on my deck. :shifty:

Happen to me as well. But I survive the kamakazi attack with 4 dead and 55 HI.

[onelifecrisis]

No option for death from an incureable STD contracted whilst on shore leave :hmm:

Is that one of the easter eggs in GWX?

[Jimbuna]

No option for death from an incureable STD contracted whilst on shore leave :hmm:

Is that one of the easter eggs in GWX?

Whaaaat!!.....no way....we look after our eels ;)

[Kipparikalle]

Suddenly, battleships

http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg139/Jakezu/adsd.jpg

Tens of them!


On the sidenote, the time speed up got jammed, so yeah. My U-boat disappeared due to overhelming amount of ventilation holes

[mr chris]

Have died many times trying to get to late 41/42 so i can join in the turkey shoot in the eastern US seaboard.
This is my goal and always is when i start a career in 39. Though i have never made it so far. But touch wood as my current career is look promising am in mid 40 and going well. But that has been the case many times before.
My last try was ended by 2 flowers who double teamed me death by depth charges after i had sunk the 3 biggest ships from there convoy.

I used to be a completely insane Kpt but have calmed down a lot of recent times. Just ask Jimbuna about playing chicken with DD's:arrgh!:

[Task Force]

Ive been kamikazed acouple of times, Looks as if the Japs wernt the first to start this.:lol:

[Task Force]

No option for death from an incureable STD contracted whilst on shore leave :hmm:

Thats why I live out of my boat.:D All hatches shut (vents open) even in the winter months, these boats are quite cozy. I love the cold.:D ;)

[U-104]

"sudden and unexpected death is probably a very real part of a uboat man's life.:doh:"

the last part.:dead:

[Keel Basa]

I got rammed by merchant while I was underwater


God damn you Bernard

Same thing happened to me. I didn't know Bernard was involved. That man gets around.

[Steeltrap]

I haven't died yet in my career in NYGM 3.0. I can say that aircraft are anything but impotent (you'll see some posts I made bitching about excessive air cover north of Scotland in '39/'40 - none of them killed me but did damage me).

I died in a previous career in a rather ridiculous manner. I'd managed to infiltrate a convoy (submerged) and was lining up a BB (Revenge class I think) for a full salvo. I hit the wrong key by mistake, blowing ballast and surfacing all of 700m from it.

:damn: :damn: :oops:

Those casement secondary guns are quite effective at that range....

:rotfl:

[SandyCaesar]

Gunfight. New, rather inexperienced, before GWX came to my machine (this was a long time ago, before my video card started PMSing on me).

In retrospect, even on easier settings, thinking that I could outshoot two Flowers and two trawlers was a big, big mistake.:oops: Not DID, though.

Then there were those destroyers north of Scotland...