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defcom
09-18-08, 09:46 AM
Hi Folks,

For those who are interested in background information on working with the Enigma cipher machine, I recently added some Kriegsmarine procedures and original Enigma code books and code sheets, Schlussel M TRITON, Kenngruppenbuch, Schlussel Henno (bigram tables) and added more information about Kurzsignalen, the Wetterkurzschlussel, Kenngruppenheft etc.

Naval Enigma procedures:
http://users.telenet.be/d.rijmenants/en/enigmaproc.htm

Kurzsignalen:
http://users.telenet.be/d.rijmenants/en/kurzsignale.htm

Regards,

Dirk Rijmenants
Cipher Machines & Cryptology (http://users.telenet.be/d.rijmenants)

bert8for3
09-18-08, 12:56 PM
Thanks and really interesting site btw :up:

FIREWALL
09-18-08, 01:34 PM
Hi defcom :sunny: Kool site. :up: I remember someone had a downloadable virtual enigma machine you could use to send messages with.

You could change rotors (I think thats what they were ) and hear the keys when you typed.

I reformated my rig and forgot to burn it to cd. :damn: :damn:

I hope someone was smarter than me and still has it. :yep:

defcom
09-18-08, 01:51 PM
Hi Firewall,

Thanks for the compliments. The sim you're talking about is written by me :D. You can find him on my website:

http://users.telenet.be/d.rijmenants/en/enigmasim.htm

Just download and have fun with it (and if you like it, pop by in the guestbook ;) )

FIREWALL
09-18-08, 03:05 PM
Thx defcom :up: Will do. And this time I will burn to cd. :yep:

IMHO this is a gotta have for online playing like Teamspeak is for online Flight sims.

Or maybe LAN playing and someone is BdU.

I don't know how it would work as I have never played online or LAN.

Just a thought. :D

edit : Just d\l it and played with it for a bit. FUN!!! :yep:

Kurt Lange
09-18-08, 06:29 PM
Defcom, that's a very interesting site you have there. I've added it to my favourites and will be having a good look through. Excellent stuff ! :)

wntrmt
09-21-08, 08:40 PM
Hi Firewall,

Thanks for the compliments. The sim you're talking about is written by me :D. You can find him on my website:

http://users.telenet.be/d.rijmenants/en/enigmasim.htm

Just download and have fun with it (and if you like it, pop by in the guestbook ;) )

wow, that's actually yours? I stumbled over it years ago and was really impressed. Fun toy, we even used it for fun in some emails (but actually prefer gpg ;)

Nice work either way!

cheers,
wntrmt aka snwcrsh (what email address did i use hmmm)

U-46 Commander
09-21-08, 10:21 PM
I have that download and also the codebook for it to. Its from Operation Spinnetz.

Platapus
09-22-08, 05:57 PM
only slightly off topic.

If anyone is unlucky enough to be in our nation's capitol, be sure to check out the Spy Museum. They have a very nice computer display of how the Enigma worked. Most interesting. They also have an old 3 rotor no punchboard Enigma there also but the computer display is what is cooleo.

snwcrsh
09-22-08, 06:00 PM
I actually operated an Enigma Replica once. A crypto guru brought it for some training stuff. Very fascinating indeed. Maybe it's a fetish for those mechanical things. My father still had one of these:

http://www.darkroastedblend.com/2008/09/stunningly-intricate-curta-mechanical.html

I loved it since I was 3 or so :)

*click*click*click*clickclickclick*

Effigy
09-22-08, 06:18 PM
Hi Folks,

For those who are interested in background information on working with the Enigma cipher machine, I recently added some Kriegsmarine procedures and original Enigma code books and code sheets, Schlussel M TRITON, Kenngruppenbuch, Schlussel Henno (bigram tables) and added more information about Kurzsignalen, the Wetterkurzschlussel, Kenngruppenheft etc.

Naval Enigma procedures:
http://users.telenet.be/d.rijmenants/en/enigmaproc.htm

Kurzsignalen:
http://users.telenet.be/d.rijmenants/en/kurzsignale.htm

Regards,

Dirk Rijmenants
Cipher Machines & Cryptology (http://users.telenet.be/d.rijmenants)
Dirk! Funny meeting you here. This is, in fact, the site that brought me to yours and the wonderful enigma sim you've made (and others). I can't even remember now what post or who posted, maybe it was you after all, hah.

Effigy (from recent emails via your site). :)

FIREWALL
09-22-08, 10:42 PM
I actually operated an Enigma Replica once. A crypto guru brought it for some training stuff. Very fascinating indeed. Maybe it's a fetish for those mechanical things. My father still had one of these:

http://www.darkroastedblend.com/2008/09/stunningly-intricate-curta-mechanical.html

I loved it since I was 3 or so :)

*click*click*click*clickclickclick*

Thx for the link :up: I love things like that.

Imagine comeing up with that while in a concentration camp. AMAZEING !!!!

defcom
09-23-08, 03:43 AM
If you like the real stuff, I have a page describing the breaking of a real message from U-264, called the M4 Project by Stefan Krah. The page isn't new, but I recently added a new link to an interview with Kpt Lt Hartwig Looks, and with others, about the attack on convoy ONS-5. It was great to have written a page about a U-boat kapt and then discover an actual interview.

The page: http://users.telenet.be/d.rijmenants/en/m4project.htm

The video link is at the bottom (off-site links) but it's really worth reading the article and the story of U-264 first.

meduza
09-23-08, 07:27 AM
Very nice :up:

Thanx for the links, and especially for the simulator!

Contact
09-23-08, 04:04 PM
Reflector: Kriegsmarine M3 - UKW = C

Walzenlage: VIII VII I

Ringstellung: 03 07 03

Steckerverbindungen: AF BT ES GW HZ JL KX NQ PY RV

Kenngruppen: VIG HEF


Message to uncode: KQPY YQUM ROOU GWBV


Good Luck :arrgh!:

klh
09-24-08, 06:31 AM
Defcom,

Thanks for the links, and welcome. I'm glad to see you here. I've been using your simulator since the Silent Hunter 2 days, and have enjoyed it.

Contact
09-24-08, 09:24 AM
By the way I'm currently looking for a simple morse code generator as well. It should allow to code text into symbols and uncode symbols into text, as well as it should be able to play morse sounds while in progress. However no special abilities for training is necessary. Simple procedures to code/uncode would do fine.

Made a wide search on google with no luck so far. Just plenty of generators online but I would preffer downloading it like software for often usage..
If somebody has an idea where could I find it, would be appreciated a lot..

Puster Bill
09-24-08, 10:33 AM
By the way I'm currently looking for a simple morse code generator as well. It should allow to code text into symbols and uncode symbols into text, as well as it should be able to play morse sounds while in progress. However no special abilities for training is necessary. Simple procedures to code/uncode would do fine.


You already have such a decoder, sitting in your head.

Morse: Learn it, know it, use it.

It's the perfect form of communication, because it is pretty much medium independent. It can be written, transmitted via radio or audio, or by light, or by banging on pipes, whatever.

Even my 4 year old is starting to learn it.

snwcrsh
09-24-08, 12:52 PM
For those who are to lazy to learn it, you might want to look at this:

http://morsecode.scphillips.com/cgi-bin/morse.cgi

It does all Contact asked for, even the audio part.

Oh, but it's not downloadable. But I guess you can get the CGI if you ask them. It's pretty simple code actually. You could do it in a few perl lines...

Contact
09-24-08, 01:21 PM
By the way I'm currently looking for a simple morse code generator as well. It should allow to code text into symbols and uncode symbols into text, as well as it should be able to play morse sounds while in progress. However no special abilities for training is necessary. Simple procedures to code/uncode would do fine.


You already have such a decoder, sitting in your head.

Morse: Learn it, know it, use it.

It's the perfect form of communication, because it is pretty much medium independent. It can be written, transmitted via radio or audio, or by light, or by banging on pipes, whatever.

Even my 4 year old is starting to learn it.

I'm in white jelous for your kid :D It will be absolutely easier for him/her to learn it since children always gets faster into new things than adults. As for me I don't realy need to know morse, cuz basicly I woun't be using it much anywhere. I thought of using morse code with addition to Enigma as it was in real life. But I don't want to learn everything by heart u know :) Well.. Not today definitely..

Of course I would consider of learning this "multiplication table" again if it would be possible to create a mod for SH3 or in the Future release of GWX4 to use Morse and/or Enigma like an optional feature. In this way learning new things would bring much more motivation :up:

Contact
09-24-08, 01:26 PM
For those who are to lazy to learn it, you might want to look at this:

http://morsecode.scphillips.com/cgi-bin/morse.cgi

It does all Contact asked for, even the audio part.

Oh, but it's not downloadable. But I guess you can get the CGI if you ask them. It's pretty simple code actually. You could do it in a few perl lines...

Thanks for your effort, but this one I found in the first place myself. But as I said I'm looking for downloadable one and it's like number one priority for me :)

Puster Bill
09-25-08, 08:40 AM
By the way I'm currently looking for a simple morse code generator as well. It should allow to code text into symbols and uncode symbols into text, as well as it should be able to play morse sounds while in progress. However no special abilities for training is necessary. Simple procedures to code/uncode would do fine.

You already have such a decoder, sitting in your head.

Morse: Learn it, know it, use it.

It's the perfect form of communication, because it is pretty much medium independent. It can be written, transmitted via radio or audio, or by light, or by banging on pipes, whatever.

Even my 4 year old is starting to learn it.
I'm in white jelous for your kid :D It will be absolutely easier for him/her to learn it since children always gets faster into new things than adults. As for me I don't realy need to know morse, cuz basicly I woun't be using it much anywhere. I thought of using morse code with addition to Enigma as it was in real life. But I don't want to learn everything by heart u know :) Well.. Not today definitely..

Of course I would consider of learning this "multiplication table" again if it would be possible to create a mod for SH3 or in the Future release of GWX4 to use Morse and/or Enigma like an optional feature. In this way learning new things would bring much more motivation :up:

It's actually quite easy to learn as an adult, with the proper motivation.

My motivation was this: If I did not learn it fast enough, the Army would send me to some unpleasant profession, such as the infantry. For 4 years, I used Morse every single day.

I still use it, too, as a ham radio operator. And I get a swelling of pride when my kid goes "dadidadit dadadidah".

I've never been a big fan of machine read code, but if you want something that will copy Morse over the air, you can look at using HamScope, a free program you can download at http://www.qsl.net/hamscope/

It will translate audio Morse into characters for you, but not as good as a human ear. I've used it to do PSK31 and RTTY communications, by simply laying the microphone for the computer on the speaker of the radio, and the microphone of the radio up to the computer speakers.

Contact
09-25-08, 03:21 PM
Thanks, will take a look at hamscope. So far that I noticed it's for amateur users.. Can this program decrypt written morse code to text ?

jorgegonzalito
07-23-15, 01:53 PM
In this beautiful place in England called "Bletchley Park" British intelligence decodes the message machine "enigma", so not worth adding another task to the many that already have, not only as a commander but like everything else because your crew is drawn and in fact the entire submarine is you.

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/picture.php?albumid=981&pictureid=8369

Rambler241
07-24-15, 06:21 PM
That historic mansion, and the remaining "huts" behind it housed the "Golf, Cheese and Chess Society" as it was mischievously nicknamed by many who worked there - GCCS - Government Code and Cypher School, the forerunner of the modern GCHQ. School it never was - some of the best brains in Britain worked there. The nearby railway station is about half way between Oxford and Cambridge, from which universities many of the best people were drawn, a good few in their early twenties.

Churchill called it "The goose which laid the golden eggs, but never cackled". A couple who met after the war, and married, followed the rules and never spoke about it to one another. After 1976, when its existence came to light when embargo dates were reached, they realised they'd worked there for several years, but had never met - not surprising, as at its peak, around 10,000 men and women filled the huts and the house - a shift system was in operation for most.

There's a museum (http://www.bletchleypark.org.uk/content/hist/) there now, with working enigma machines and "bombes" - chains of (basic, no keyboard) enigma machines running through possible wheel settings. This gives the lie to movies which show enigma machines being seized from German submarines and ships - GCCS didn't need 'em - they had hundreds. What they needed was the wheels (changed and added to as the war progressed) and the code books with initial wheel settings, changed daily.

I believe the museum also has a working Colossus computer (http://www.colossus-computer.com/colossus1.html) (or at least a good chunk of one), the world's first programmable computer, and necessarily top-secret for many years after the war. It was used (with several others later on) to decode the output of the "Super Enigma" machine - the Lorentz Cypher Machine. Colossus was never used on Enigma, despite what several movies, books, magazine articles and websites would have you believe.

Zosimus
07-25-15, 02:23 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2_Q9FoD-oQ

Rambler241
07-26-15, 05:48 AM
A series of three excellent descriptions of Enigma and how it was broken - thanks, Zosimus.

The subject is necessarily simplified in parts, but well worth watching, even by those who know (or think they know) the story and the technology.

Zosimus
07-26-15, 09:11 AM
I'm glad you enjoyed it.

:up: