They just don't get it

[Syxx_Killer]

Well, EA finally responded to the uproar surrounding Spore. I think they have their heads up their butts for the warmth. They will never get it. This DRM is utterly useless. :damn:

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=197120

[danlisa]

Nice 'made up' percentages there from EA, what a load of....

Yep, really effective DRM there:

Meanwhile internet reports suggest that Spore is headed for becoming the most downloaded game of all time on Torrent sites, having apparently already soared past 500,000 downloads. Ouch. P.s. It's way more than that.:yep:

Think I'll wait for the GOTY version with no DRM at all.:p

[Raptor1]

The funny thing is that this DRM thing isn't stopping even slowing down the pirates

And the fact that the DRM probably increased the piracy rate for Spore by a good deal

[Dowly]

The funny thing is that this DRM thing isn't stopping even slowing down the pirates

And the fact that the DRM probably increased the piracy rate for Spore by a good deal

Very true words. :yep:

[Wolfehunter]

The funny thing is that this DRM thing isn't stopping even slowing down the pirates

And the fact that the DRM probably increased the piracy rate for Spore by a good deal

Very true words. :yep:Pirated gamers don't care about DRMs they play the game and enjoy it. Some buy it and crack it other just download the hot items hehehe.

[GlobalExplorer]

I have it from an absolutely reliable source that the number of illegal downloads of Spore has exceeded 1 trillion times already (September 16). Shocking :nope:

[Raptor1]

1 trillion?

1,000,000,000,000?

There are, what, 6-7 billion people in the world?

It doesn't add up

Ah, I see, the Aliens must be playing Spore!

[Dowly]

I have it from an absolutely reliable source that the number of illegal downloads of Spore has exceeded 1 trillion times already (September 16). Shocking :nope:

Your source is wrong. My source shows ~310 000 downloads on one place, maybe 2x that on another place, so more like 1mil. :hmm:

[TLAM Strike]

1 trillion?

1,000,000,000,000?

There are, what, 6-7 billion people in the world?

It doesn't add up

Ah, I see, the Aliens must be playing Spore!

Or some lowly humans are using download managers to download from several sources at once. :know:

[Rilder]

Ah, I see, the Aliens must be playing Spore!

No, don't you see!

The aliens IN spore are pirating spore!

[Wolfehunter]

Ah, I see, the Aliens must be playing Spore!

No, don't you see!

The aliens IN spore are pirating spore!:hmm: :o :rotfl: :up:

[Monica Lewinsky]

Well, EA finally responded to the uproar surrounding Spore. I think they have their heads up their butts for the warmth. They will never get it. This DRM is utterly useless

quote "From Another Forum Place NOT HERE"

what of the DRM software embedded within SPORE? reminds me of silent hunter 3...

Monica, replies:

With SH3, you only had to get past the StarForce hurdle [always related to the type of CD-ROM mfg. you had] to install it and the game works even under Vista, today. Install/Reinstall all you want it ... works. My Vista rig with SH3 - Zero problems - play it off and on - I now prefer SH4 - Wolves of the Pacific.

But now, it seems like our EA buddies let you have three [3] installs .... and that is it! Buy the game again if you want a fourth install/reinstall.

Continuing my attitude to NEVER, EVER buy another EA game, EVER again.

Give Page 2 for a "look-see" - for the detailed info that YOU may want.

http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,2845,2330377,00.asp

Best paragraph is the last one:

"So thanks, EA. Thanks for trying to put a stake in PC games—something I've loved for years and wrote about for over a decade. Thanks for nothing. "

[Wolfehunter]

EA isn't the only one trying to kill PC market.

There is a war on for games and the console powerhouses are pulling the levels to slowly kill pc games.

But pc has always been the underdogs and will survive.

[Blacklight]

According to Mariam Sughayer, a representative from EA's corporate communications, only one percent of gamers tried to install the game on more than three PCs. Just 23 percent of buyers even tried more than one install, while 77 percent only ever installing the game once.

Ummm.. yeah.. but how long has the game been out ? And what if people want to upgrade their computers ? The average person buys a new system every five years. :nope: That copy protection is crap and I hope that game tanks.

[Robsoie]

Long time ago in another board i read about someone theory about the DRM.

He thought publishers adding such DRM to their game were not doing that to counter piracy, as with a simple usage of google they could easily notice the pirated copies of their products floating everywhere around the internet and their protection were removed by the pirates.

His theory was about the DRM being there to prevent the customer to sell the product he bought from the publisher to another individual.
Because such kind of second hand sales does not give back money to the publisher.

Recently i noticed this article
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/ea-second-hand-sales-are-a-critical-situation

And what is the company whinning about second hand sales in that article ... EA, the same ones that obviously insist in putting DRM on products that are already pirated and their protection bypassed.

It seems to give more weight to the DRM against second hand sales instead of piracy counter theory.

[Ilpalazzo]

This thread is full of win on a subject of fail. So many great posts.

My sister was actually interested in Spore, but decided not to purchase it because of all the horrible reviews about the DRM stuff. I think my favs are on amazon. It's hilarious that a popular site for ordering stuff online has this game rated so badly by so many people.

EA needs to get their **** together. It's absolutely pathetic that a game many people have been excited about for a long time is being given bad reviews and heralded as a POS mostly because of the DRM.

If I worked on the game, I would be pissed.


I don't really buy games or hardly anything off of ebay. So I don't know if that's a second hand sales problem. Honestly, I don't see the point in making so many customers angry just to stick it to a few individuals.

And remember folks, sharing is caring. When I was growing up, many kids borrowed and even traded video games with each other. If we had to deal with stuff like this, I don't think that would be possible. What is the big deal man. The person who wants to buy the game is going to buy the game. The person who doesn't/can't buy the game 'will not' buy the game. I guess a few too many people are ruining it for the rest of us.

Then again, there's that conspiracy about the concentrated effort to kill pc gaming.



Ummm.. yeah.. but how long has the game been out ? And what if people want to upgrade their computers ? The average person buys a new system every five years. :nope: That copy protection is crap and I hope that game tanks.
yeah wtf lol. It Makes No Sense. This has to end. Personally, I even found it a little annoying just having to enter a long code when I install games. And I think most people have always been annoyed by disc checks. They just keep adding these hassles.

If only there could be a sweet compromise. Something so elegant and simple. Something that gives the businessmen peace of mind and doesn't bother customers.

[HunterICX]

The harder and more annoying they make the DRMS and Copy protection only will cause that the piracy in games will rise.

especialy when a DRM/Copy protection may cause damage or slow downs on the users Computer.

HunterICX

[GlobalExplorer]

Unfortunately it's the trend these days. First Bioshock, Mass Effect, and now we get this ****ery. The good thing is that like every other trend, it will end one day. But a lot of things will have turned for the worse until that.

I think what happened is that the businesspeople (not the software people!) have realized that in order to further maximize their profits, they absolutely have to stop people using illegit copies. And if the last two decades have taught us something, the only way to stop it is to add copy protection that leaves absolutely no way around. So much for theory.

So the clerks made sure the software people have to add copy protection, though they probably told them it would never work. Did your boss ever come up with some really stupid idea, and when you told him it's stupid he made it clear he still wants you to do it? In the end you just say wtf. And so they come up with all kind of **** to please the suits, and we can all see it's not working: They are about to merrily **** up the reputation of the gaming industry and the pc as a gaming platform.

You know what, I am beginning to not care anymore either.

I don't really buy games or hardly anything off of ebay. So I don't know if that's a second hand sales problem. Honestly, I don't see the point in making so many customers angry just to stick it to a few individuals.

When it come to the big releases I don't buy many new games, though I get quite a few releases from independent companies. I also discovered that a lot of fun can be had with older games which I missed when they were new. I recently had lots of fun with Arcanum, Fallout, Baldurs Gate II, Battle of Britain 2, Hidden and Dangerous 2, to name only a few. They can be bought legally for virtually nothing, and offer a lot more fun than all this "nexgen" crap we get to see since the console age began.

I'm so sick and tired that I'd actually like to see forums devoted to small and independent games only. So I could turn my back on mainstream publishing for good, like I did some years ago to Hollywood cinema.

Needless to say I got neither Bioshock nor Mass Effect nor does this Spore interest me anymore.

[GlobalExplorer]

Seeing the reviews on amazon I think it's now really backfiring on them.

link (http://www.amazon.co.uk/review/product/B000FN7K2S/ref=cm_cr_dp_all_helpful?%5Fencoding=UTF8&coliid=&showViewpoints=1&colid=&sortBy=bySubmissionDateDescending)

[goldorak]

DRM is not about piracy. It is about total control on what customers BUY.
Every single corporation has seen the digital revolution as an opportunity to enforce once and for all a rental-type economy.
Where customers will NEVER EVER OWN anything "intangibile" anymore.
And the gateway to achieve this is DRM.
Piracy is just a scapegoat to thrust DRM down our throats and to "corrupt" politicians in enforcing even more draconian copyright laws.
From this point of view the pirates are actually doing something good, they are raising general awareness of this DRM bull**** and the price that society will have to pay if we go down this path. It doesn't matter that what they are doing is "illegal". Sometimes choosing the right thing to do is illegal.

[Wolfehunter]

DRM is not about piracy. It is about total control on what customers BUY.
Every single corporation has seen the digital revolution as an opportunity to enforce once and for all a rental-type economy.
Where customers will NEVER EVER OWN anything "intangibile" anymore.
And the gateway to achieve this is DRM.
Piracy is just a scapegoat to thrust DRM down our throats and to "corrupt" politicians in enforcing even more draconian copyright laws.
From this point of view the pirates are actually doing something good, they are raising general awareness of this DRM bull**** and the price that society will have to pay if we go down this path. It doesn't matter that what they are doing is "illegal". Sometimes choosing the right thing to do is illegal.I couldn't have said it better myself thank you.:yep:

I've always been an outlaw type.:rock:

[Syxx_Killer]

Looks like EA is going to modify Spore's DRM. Apparently you will now be able to deactivate a computer and get that install back. There is no date given, but in the near future they will be releasing a patch that includes a tool of some sort. While not a lot better than before (if at all) I think it is a step in a promising direction (notice I didn't say right direction). I still detest the idea of install limits, albeit even if you can get them back. That still means you have to be connected to the Internet and I know some people don't have their gaming rigs online. It only makes sense really, and if I had a "beater" computer to take online, I wouldn't have my good one online. Anyway, here are a few sites that talk about the DRM modification.

http://www.kotaku.com.au/games/2008/09/17/ea_to_loosen_spore_install_restrictions_reveals_sa les_data-2.html

http://news.portalit.net/fullnews_ea-to-tweak-spore-s-draconian-drm_1567.html

http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/54789

[GlobalExplorer]

Same again as with Mass Effect: We were going to give you 3 activations but after the negative feedback we are now going to give you 5! Aren't we awesome?

The only good news about this is that there are probably discussions at EA itself. Now do the only right thing: don't buy the software until it can be installed an unlimited number of times and give them a good rant at places where it matters, like amazon.

[goldorak]

Well case in point, Halo just recieved a no cd patch with the latest official patch.
I like that game, having played it 2 times on the xbox and at least 6 times on the pc.
Its a guilty pleasure of mine, even though I don't like fps in general. But Halo is just to funny, great acting, great cinematics, great sense of story, etc...
By EA's policy I should have buyed the game at least 2-3 times. :rotfl:
While EA customers will wonder wether they will still play the game in the following years I will continue to engoy Halo. No restrictions whatsoever etc...
Its surprising that Microsoft acted this way, its a first for them. Well all I can say is kudos :up: to MS. Lets hope its not an isolated experiment.

[Ilpalazzo]

I've got 4 words for everybody here...

Don't copy that Floppy!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Xfqkdh5Js4 Anybody familiar with this?

Maybe EA should bring back DCTF for the current generation. Educate some kids with super def rhymes and phat dance moves.


This is all so surreal. I'm scared of what the future holds. EA secretly wants to be like that corporation from the Robocop movies.



I'm so sick and tired that I'd actually like to see forums devoted to small and independent games only. So I could turn my back on mainstream publishing for good, like I did some years ago to Hollywood cinema.

Feel like mentioning I haven't been to 'the movies' in wow like uh....about 8 years maybe? I'm never interested in anything that comes out.


edit. lol wtf is that picture under my name

[CaptHawkeye]

I think it's pretty hilarious that people are only now figuring out that partnering with EA = siginifigant decrease in product quality. :) Pandemic Studios fell for their pandering too, of course, no one ever accused Pandemic of being a paticularly intelligent bunch of dudes.

[GlobalExplorer]

Pandemic Studios

Cant remember what kind of game did they actually make?

[CaptHawkeye]

Pandemic Studios

Cant remember what kind of game did they actually make?

Mercenaries? A fun game with good ideas that was still poorly executed. :) Now comes along the sequel, with no redeeming features. Convienently under the EA logo.

[Task Force]

It seams thes DRM is just incourageing all these pirated copys of spore.:-? It is kind of like a challenge to piraters, to see who can crack it first and get the mods downloads.:hmm:

[Wolfehunter]

The game is already cracked. For the mods? I'm sure there are sites posting the big mods.:hmm: