Finance Crisis

[Skybird]

Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, the two greatest mortgage financers (Baufinanzierer) covering 50% of the mortgage market, very uncapitalistically ended under state control and were put on a drip of estimated 200-300 billion dollars of tax funding. Capitalistic economy isn't any longer what it used to be.

Now Lehmann Brothers have come to an end, and why they were not nationlised as well, is hard to recognize even when looking closely!?. Three of the former five biggest players at wall street, are now out of the race. Merrill Lynch, third biggest investment bank in business, is struggling for survival, it seems it will be taken over by the Bank of America. biggest insurance company AIG also is in a stall and need to sell important parts of its business - after having received several aid packages. the biggest US savings bank Washington Mutual is considered to be a candidate for a taking-over by whomever dares to show up.

According to insiders, 100-140 more american banks are facing the risk to become bancrupt in within the next 3-12 months. The Fed'S chairman, Bernanke, announced that one would try to organize more liquidity on the market - which only means even MORE inflation. the Fed now learns the bitter lesson that it lived by old rules for too long and meanwhile has lost any efficiency to influence the market, what has already been shown by it's past emergency operations which resulted in effects that for the most did not survive the first 72 hours. It costed hundreds of billions.

It all now has the potential to cause a very major global economy crisis for sure, one even can say that it already has started to do so. european economies due to to the high dollar and the trouble in the finacial sectors, already have been pushed from booms in several nations, including Germany, into recessions, according to statements and calculationbs by the World Bank. The mess on the american finance market will cost europe jobs, and taxes. And plenty of both.

It seems the finance system in Amerika learns that changes are leading that far that it no longer is the same world that it used to be. While american surely also are affected, the majority of financial losses and compensations are coming from the rest of the world, which also has to face the greater quantity of economical damage and job losses.

Things now start to slowly become interesting. Those who said half a year ago that we are already over the peak of the crisis, illustrated a fascinating lack of insight by that. back then it just had begun. I assume it will carry on for another 18-24 months - at least. Yesterday night, on radio a group of bank experts had a discussion and agreed that the losses so far since the crisis broke out, have been calculated with the openly available numbers and informations only. the real losses and hidden costs to the nations' wealth and economies probbaly must be calculated three times as high as the official numbers. That would make the sum of money that got annihilated so far ranging deep into the trillions.

Get drunk. Plenty of fun ahead. Those wondering why foreigners have such a high interest in the presidential elections, now may have gotten a clue.

[Jimbuna]

And here's us Brits feeling concerned about a few airlines and holiday companies :hmm:

[Skybird]

A question of perspective, maybe? Everything is relative. :D

[wireman]

"High dollar"?!

[Skybird]

"High dollar"?!
Öh.... ähem... Freud, anyone...? :lol: You are right, it is the other way around, of course. Must stop this fast-typing of mine.

Meanwhile:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/15/opinion/15krugman.html?scp=5&sq=krugman&st=cse

(...)The new system was supposed to do a better job of spreading and reducing risk. But in the aftermath of the housing bust and the resulting mortgage crisis, it seems apparent that risk wasn’t so much reduced as hidden: all too many investors had no idea how exposed they were. (...)
The real answer to the current problem would, of course, have been to take preventive action before we reached this point. Even leaving aside the obvious need to regulate the shadow banking system — if institutions need to be rescued like banks, they should be regulated like banks — why were we so unprepared for this latest shock? When Bear went under, many people talked about the need for a mechanism for “orderly liquidation” of failing investment banks. Well, that was six months ago. Where’s the mechanism?
And so here we are, with Mr. Paulson apparently feeling that playing Russian roulette with the U.S. financial system was his best option. Yikes.

[SUBMAN1]

I'm ticked. They should have been allowed to fail. This screws up our entire economy now. Taking big risks and you might get bailed out if it goes bad. Very bad plan. :down: CEO's now will all expect to get bailed out.

-S

[Tchocky]

I'm ticked. They should have been allowed to fail. This screws up our entire economy now. Taking big risks and you might get bailed out if it goes bad. Very bad plan. :down: CEO's now will all expect to get bailed out.

-S

That was my thought for a while, then I read Megan McArdle

...it might be fun to let the financial markets collapse catastrophically in order to teach people that they oughtn't to speculate, either on securities or government bailouts. On the other hand, the Great Depression sort of sucked, and not just for people who took a flyer on AT&T at 87.

I guess that the net effect here will be stricter regulation on Wall Street etc, in order to make this kind of event less likely. Of course this means somewhat reduced dynamism, but take your pick.

[joegrundman]

I think Britain is also highly vulnerable since this is, I think, a consequence of the deregulation of the banking sector, which i believe was a movement led by Britain in the 80s.

Large finance concerns are different from other large businesses and this is why deregulation is more dangerous with this sector than e.g. the telecommunications sector

When industries are deregulated you are promising freedom to the organization to balance profit and risk as they see fit.

But with large financial structures, they know at the bottom of their being, that only half the deal applies to them. Only the pursuit of profit is deregulated for them because the risk will always be borne by the government and therefore the taxpayer, because our societies simply cannot afford to let these institutions fail completely. The taxpayers have to bail them out somehow.

When you offer freedom to seek profit but agree to underwrite their risks yourself, the natural behaviour is for bankers to follow highly risky propositions in the pursuit of profit that would never be tolerated in industries that are responsible for carrying the burden of their own risk.

[UnderseaLcpl]

I think Britain is also highly vulnerable since this is, I think, a consequence of the deregulation of the banking sector, which i believe was a movement led by Britain in the 80s.

Large finance concerns are different from other large businesses and this is why deregulation is more dangerous with this sector than e.g. the telecommunications sector

When industries are deregulated you are promising freedom to the organization to balance profit and risk as they see fit.

But with large financial structures, they know at the bottom of their being, that only half the deal applies to them. Only the pursuit of profit is deregulated for them because the risk will always be borne by the government and therefore the taxpayer, because our societies simply cannot afford to let these institutions fail completely. The taxpayers have to bail them out somehow.

When you offer freedom to seek profit but agree to underwrite their risks yourself, the natural behaviour is for bankers to follow highly risky propositions in the pursuit of profit that would never be tolerated in industries that are responsible for carrying the burden of their own risk.


Nice assesment.:up: Still, I oppose regulation or nationalization of banks for many reasons, principally that government-related or controlled banking is ineffecient and actually causes more financial crises than they could ever prevent.

The following is from the Cato Institute Handbook for Congress


The Federal National Mortgage Association (Fannie Mae) and the Federal
Home Loan Mortgage Corporation (Freddie Mac), the two most
important government-sponsored enterprises (GSEs), are an anomaly in
today’s vibrant and innovative financial markets. GSEs are created by
congressional charter and combine characteristics of public and private
organizations. Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac are privately owned, publicly
traded corporations that have a congressional mandate to provide liquidity
in the secondary markets for residential mortgages. They do so mostly
by purchasing mortgages from lenders, bundling those mortgages into
mortgage-backed securities (MBS), and selling those securities to investors.
Since the early 1980s, but especially in the last few years, they have also
started to hold directly many of the mortgages they buy and to hold MBS
themselves. In the process they have become two of the most profitable
and dominant companies in the United States today.
If that success were due to their ability to provide goods and services
that consumers want under the same rules as other market participants
but at a lower price, then there would be no public policy concerns about
Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. Unfortunately, Fannie Mae and Freddie
Mac do not operate under the same rules as other market participants.
They enjoy government-granted benefits and subsidies that give them an
unfair advantage over their competitors, create distortions in the allocation
of capital, and pose an unnecessary risk to taxpayers.
In exchange for serving a public mission, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac
enjoy an implicit government (taxpayer) subsidy to cover their liabilities.
The subsidy results from, among other things, the perception that the
government stands behind the obligations of those two companies, which
allows Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to have lower costs of capital than
their competitors. The Congressional Budget Office has estimated that in
2000 the implicit subsidy provided by the government amounted to $10.6
billion, of which 37 percent went directly to their shareholders, not to
homebuyers. Other government benefits include a $2.25 billion line of
credit from the U.S. Department of the Treasury, exemption from Securities
and Exchange Commission securities registration requirements, exemption
from local and state taxes, and lower capital requirements than are imposed
on other financial institutions, which allows them to operate with much
greater leverage and earn a higher return on capital than their competitors.
While most public and congressional attention in recent months has
concentrated on the fact that the two GSEs are not subject by law to the
same disclosure and registration requirements as other publicly traded
companies, that criticism should not be the main focus of attention for at
least two reasons. First, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac already disclose
voluntarily enough information about their financial activities and condition.
Furthermore, they agreed in July 2002 to file quarterly and annual
statements and proxies with the SEC (although they did not agree to
register their debt and mortgage-backed securities). Second, in this case,
what matters is not so much disclosure; after all, Fannie and Fred could
disclose that they intend to keep all profits from a very risky investment,
if that investment is successful, and to pass most losses on to taxpayers,
if it is not, and that disclosure would not make them any less risky. What
matters is whether Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac have capital levels that
are adequate for the degree of risk they are taking and for the amount of
debt they have, because, if they do not, the government will most surely
step in and bail them out at a very high cost to taxpayers.
Today that does not seem to be the case, and the two GSEs have no
incentive to raise their capital levels or diminish their risk profiles (nor
do investors have an incentive to require those actions from them) because
of the government guarantee. Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac had a total
debt outstanding of $1.3 trillion at the end of 2001 and had guaranteed
an additional $1.8 trillion of MBS. Capital levels stood at roughly 3.5
percent of total assets, about a third of the capital levels held by commercial
banks in the United States. In addition, they have in recent years begun
to hold directly the mortgages they purchase, which exposes them to
interest rate risk as well as credit risk, and to enter the subprime mortgage
markets, where the credit risk is much higher.
The combination of the high-risk profile of their portfolios, low capital
levels, and high levels of debt makes Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac
potentially very vulnerable. For that reason, and given that the secondary
market for mortgages works very well, Congress should initiate steps—
including revoking their federal charters, terminating their Treasury lines
of credit, and the presidential appointment of five members to their board
of directors—toward the full privatization of FannieMae and FreddieMac.

[Skybird]

Lehmann leaves behind a red number of six hundred billion.

Wowh. :o

[Fish]

Those who said half a year ago that we are already over the peak of the crisis, illustrated a fascinating lack of insight by that.

Didn't say anything half year ago, but now ( Fish is looking in his crystal bowl ) I say something.

Guy's, its almost done. :know:

[FIREWALL]

I recall some years back the I.R.S. takeing over a prosperous horse ranch in Nevada for back taxes.

And went broke in a month. :p

Any others remember this.

As Paul Harvey said " I'll be back in a moment with the rest of the story" .:yep:

[SimNut]

From Le Monde Diplomatic... European Press



The economic disaster that is military keynesianism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_Keynesianism)



Why the US has really gone broke



Global confidence in the US economy has reached zero, as was proved by last month’s stock market meltdown. But there is an enormous anomaly in the US economy above and beyond the subprime mortgage crisis, the housing bubble and the prospect of recession: 60 years of misallocation of resources, and borrowings, to the establishment and maintenance of a military-industrial complex as the basis of the nation’s economic life


The military adventurers in the Bush administration have much in common with the corporate leaders of the defunct energy company Enron. Both groups thought that they were the “smartest guys in the room” — the title of Alex Gibney’s prize-winning film on what went wrong at Enron. The neoconservatives in the White House and the Pentagon outsmarted themselves. They failed even to address the problem of how to finance their schemes of imperialist wars and global domination.
As a result, going into 2008, the United States finds itself in the anomalous position of being unable to pay for its own elevated living standards or its wasteful, overly large military establishment. Its government no longer even attempts to reduce the ruinous expenses of maintaining huge standing armies, replacing the equipment that seven years of wars have destroyed or worn out, or preparing for a war in outer space against unknown adversaries. Instead, the Bush administration puts off these costs for future generations to pay or repudiate. This fiscal irresponsibility has been disguised through many manipulative financial schemes (causing poorer countries to lend us unprecedented sums of money), but the time of reckoning is fast approaching.



There are three broad aspects to the US debt crisis. First, in the current fiscal year (2008) we are spending insane amounts of money on “defence” projects that bear no relation to the national security of the US. We are also keeping the income tax burdens on the richest segment of the population at strikingly low levels.
Second, we continue to believe that we can compensate for the accelerating erosion of our base and our loss of jobs to foreign countries through massive military expenditures — “military Keynesianism” (which I discuss in detail in my book Nemesis: The Last Days of the American Republic). By that, I mean the mistaken belief that public policies focused on frequent wars, huge expenditures on weapons and munitions, and large standing armies can indefinitely sustain a wealthy capitalist economy. The opposite is actually true.



Third, in our devotion to militarism (despite our limited resources), we are failing to invest in our social infrastructure and other requirements for the long-term health of the US. These are what economists call opportunity costs, things not done because we spent our money on something else. Our public education system has deteriorated alarmingly. We have failed to provide health care to all our citizens and neglected our responsibilities as the world’s number one polluter. Most important, we have lost our competitiveness as a manufacturer for civilian needs, an infinitely more efficient use of scarce resources than arms manufacturing.



Fiscal disaster
It is virtually impossible to overstate the profligacy of what our government spends on the military. The Department of Defense’s planned expenditures for the fiscal year 2008 are larger than all other nations’ military budgets combined. The supplementary budget to pay for the current wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, not part of the official defence budget, is itself larger than the combined military budgets of Russia and China. Defence-related spending for fiscal 2008 will exceed $1 trillion for the first time in history. The US has become the largest single seller of arms and munitions to other nations on Earth. Leaving out President Bush’s two on-going wars, defence spending has doubled since the mid-1990s. The defence budget for fiscal 2008 is the largest since the second world war.



Before we try to break down and analyse this gargantuan sum, there is one important caveat. Figures on defence spending are notoriously unreliable. The numbers released by the Congressional Reference Service and the Congressional Budget Office do not agree with each other. Robert Higgs, senior fellow for political economy at the Independent Institute, says: “A well-founded rule of thumb is to take the Pentagon’s (always well publicised) basic budget total and double it” (1). Even a cursory reading of newspaper articles about the Department of Defense will turn up major differences in statistics about its expenses. Some 30-40% of the defence budget is “black”,” meaning that these sections contain hidden expenditures for classified projects. There is no possible way to know what they include or whether their total amounts are accurate.



There are many reasons for this budgetary sleight-of-hand — including a desire for secrecy on the part of the president, the secretary of defence, and the military-industrial complex — but the chief one is that members of Congress, who profit enormously from defence jobs and pork-barrel projects in their districts, have a political interest in supporting the Department of Defense. In 1996, in an attempt to bring accounting standards within the executive branch closer to those of the civilian economy, Congress passed the Federal Financial Management Improvement Act. It required all federal agencies to hire outside auditors to review their books and release the results to the public. Neither the Department of Defense, nor the Department of Homeland Security, has ever complied. Congress has complained, but not penalised either department for ignoring the law. All numbers released by the Pentagon should be regarded as suspect.



In discussing the fiscal 2008 defence budget, as released on 7 February 2007, I have been guided by two experienced and reliable analysts: William D Hartung of the New America Foundation’s Arms and Security Initiative (2) and Fred Kaplan, defence correspondent for Slate.org (3). They agree that the Department of Defense requested $481.4bn for salaries, operations (except in Iraq and Afghanistan), and equipment. They also agree on a figure of $141.7bn for the “supplemental” budget to fight the global war on terrorism — that is, the two on-going wars that the general public may think are actually covered by the basic Pentagon budget. The Department of Defense also asked for an extra $93.4bn to pay for hitherto unmentioned war costs in the remainder of 2007 and, most creatively, an additional “allowance” (a new term in defence budget documents) of $50bn to be charged to fiscal year 2009. This makes a total spending request by the Department of Defense of $766.5bn.



But there is much more. In an attempt to disguise the true size of the US military empire, the government has long hidden major military-related expenditures in departments other than Defense. For example, $23.4bn for the Department of Energy goes towards developing and maintaining nuclear warheads; and $25.3bn in the Department of State budget is spent on foreign military assistance (primarily for Israel, Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, Kuwait, Oman, Qatar, the United Arab Republic, Egypt and Pakistan). Another $1.03bn outside the official Department of Defense budget is now needed for recruitment and re-enlistment incentives for the overstretched US military, up from a mere $174m in 2003, when the war in Iraq began. The Department of Veterans Affairs currently gets at least $75.7bn, 50% of it for the long-term care of the most seriously injured among the 28,870 soldiers so far wounded in Iraq and 1,708 in Afghanistan. The amount is universally derided as inadequate. Another $46.4bn goes to the Department of Homeland Security.



Missing from this compilation is $1.9bn to the Department of Justice for the paramilitary activities of the FBI; $38.5bn to the Department of the Treasury for the Military Retirement Fund; $7.6bn for the military-related activities of the National Aeronautics and Space Administration; and well over $200bn in interest for past debt-financed defence outlays. This brings US spending for its military establishment during the current fiscal year, conservatively calculated, to at least $1.1 trillion.



Military Keynesianism
Such expenditures are not only morally obscene, they are fiscally unsustainable. Many neo-conservatives and poorly informed patriotic Americans believe that, even though our defence budget is huge, we can afford it because we are the richest country on Earth. That statement is no longer true. The world’s richest political entity, according to the CIA’s World Factbook, is the European Union. The EU’s 2006 GDP was estimated to be slightly larger than that of the US. Moreover, China’s 2006 GDP was only slightly smaller than that of the US, and Japan was the world’s fourth richest nation.



A more telling comparison that reveals just how much worse we’re doing can be found among the current accounts of various nations. The current account measures the net trade surplus or deficit of a country plus cross-border payments of interest, royalties, dividends, capital gains, foreign aid, and other income. In order for Japan to manufacture anything, it must import all required raw materials. Even after this incredible expense is met, it still has an $88bn per year trade surplus with the US and enjoys the world’s second highest current account balance (China is number one). The US is number 163 — last on the list, worse than countries such as Australia and the UK that also have large trade deficits. Its 2006 current account deficit was $811.5bn; second worst was Spain at $106.4bn. This is unsustainable.
It’s not just that our tastes for foreign goods, including imported oil, vastly exceed our ability to pay for them. We are financing them through massive borrowing. On 7 November 2007, the US Treasury announced that the national debt had breached _$9 trillion for the first time. This was just five weeks after Congress raised the “debt ceiling” to $9.815 trillion. If you begin in 1789, at the moment the constitution became the supreme law of the land, the debt accumulated by the federal government did not top $1 trillion until 1981. When George Bush became president in January 2001, it stood at approximately $5.7 trillion. Since then, it has increased by 45%. This huge debt can be largely explained by our defence expenditures.



The top spenders
The world’s top 10 military spenders and the approximate amounts each currently budgets for its military establishment are:
Rank Country Military budget 1. United States (FY 2008 budget) $623bn 2. China (2004) $65bn 3. Russia $50bn 4. France (2005) $45bn 5. United Kingdom $42.8bn 6. Japan (2007) $41.75bn 7. Germany (2003) $35.1bn 8. Italy (2003) $28.2bn 9. South Korea (2003) $21.1bn 10. India (2005 est.) $19bn World total military expenditures (2004 est) $1,100bn World total (minus the US) $500bn



Our excessive military expenditures did not occur over just a few short years or simply because of the Bush administration’s policies. They have been going on for a very long time in accordance with a superficially plausible ideology, and have now become so entrenched in our democratic political system that they are starting to wreak havoc. This is military Keynesianism — the determination to maintain a permanent war economy and to treat military output as an ordinary economic product, even though it makes no contribution to either production or consumption.
This ideology goes back to the first years of the cold war. During the late 1940s, the US was haunted by economic anxieties. The great depression of the 1930s had been overcome only by the war production boom of the second world war. With peace and demobilisation, there was a pervasive fear that the depression would return. During 1949, alarmed by the Soviet Union’s detonation of an atomic bomb, the looming Communist victory in the Chinese civil war, a domestic recession, and the lowering of the Iron Curtain around the USSR’s European satellites, the US sought to draft basic strategy for the emerging cold war. The result was the militaristic National Security Council Report 68 (NSC-68) drafted under the supervision of Paul Nitze, then head of the Policy Planning Staff in the State Department. Dated 14 April 1950 and signed by President Harry S Truman on 30 September 1950, it laid out the basic public economic policies that the US pursues to the present day.



In its conclusions, NSC-68 asserted: “One of the most significant lessons of our World War II experience was that the American economy, when it operates at a level approaching full efficiency, can provide enormous resources for purposes other than civilian consumption while simultaneously providing a high standard of living” (4).
With this understanding, US strategists began to build up a massive munitions industry, both to counter the military might of the Soviet Union (which they consistently overstated) and also to maintain full employment, as well as ward off a possible return of the depression. The result was that, under Pentagon leadership, entire new industries were created to manufacture large aircraft, nuclear-powered submarines, nuclear warheads, intercontinental ballistic missiles, and surveillance and communications satellites. This led to what President Eisenhower warned against in his farewell address of 6 February 1961: “The conjunction of an immense military establishment and a large arms industry is new in the American experience” — the military-industrial complex.



By 1990 the value of the weapons, equipment and factories devoted to the Department of Defense was 83% of the value of all plants and equipment in US manufacturing. From 1947 to 1990, the combined US military budgets amounted to $8.7 trillion. Even though the Soviet Union no longer exists, US reliance on military Keynesianism has, if anything, ratcheted up, thanks to the massive vested interests that have become entrenched around the military establishment. Over time, a commitment to both guns and butter has proven an unstable configuration. Military industries crowd out the civilian economy and lead to severe economic weaknesses. Devotion to military Keynesianism is a form of slow economic suicide.



Higher spending, fewer jobs
On 1 May 2007, the Center for Economic and Policy Research of Washington, DC, released a study prepared by the economic and political forecasting company Global Insight on the long-term economic impact of increased military spending. Guided by economist Dean Baker, this research showed that, after an initial demand stimulus, by about the sixth year the effect of increased military spending turns negative. The US economy has had to cope with growing defence spending for more than 60 years. Baker found that, after 10 years of higher defence spending, there would be 464,000 fewer jobs than in a scenario that involved lower defence spending.



Baker concluded: “It is often believed that wars and military spending increases are good for the economy. In fact, most economic models show that military spending diverts resources from productive uses, such as consumption and investment, and ultimately slows economic growth and reduces employment” (5).



These are only some of the many deleterious effects of military Keynesianism.
It was believed that the US could afford both a massive military establishment and a high standard of living, and that it needed both to maintain full employment. But it did not work out that way. By the 1960s it was becoming apparent that turning over the nation’s largest manufacturing enterprises to the Department of Defense and producing goods without any investment or consumption value was starting to crowd out civilian economic activities. The historian Thomas E Woods Jr observes that, during the 1950s and 1960s, between one-third and two-thirds of all US research talent was siphoned off into the military sector (6). It is, of course, impossible to know what innovations never appeared as a result of this diversion of resources and brainpower into the service of the military, but it was during the 1960s that we first began to notice Japan was outpacing us in the design and quality of a range of consumer goods, including household electronics and automobiles.



Can we reverse the trend?
Nuclear weapons furnish a striking illustration of these anomalies. Between the 1940s and 1996, the US spent at least $5.8 trillion on the development, testing and construction of nuclear bombs. By 1967, the peak year of its nuclear stockpile, the US possessed some 32,500 deliverable atomic and hydrogen bombs, none of which, thankfully, was ever used. They perfectly illustrate the Keynesian principle that the government can provide make-work jobs to keep people employed. Nuclear weapons were not just America’s secret weapon, but also its secret economic weapon. As of 2006, we still had 9,960 of them. There is today no sane use for them, while the trillions spent on them could have been used to solve the problems of social security and health care, quality education and access to higher education for all, not to speak of the retention of highly-skilled jobs within the economy.



The pioneer in analysing what has been lost as a result of military Keynesianism was the late Seymour Melman (1917-2004), a professor of industrial engineering and operations research at Columbia University. His 1970 book, Pentagon Capitalism: The Political Economy of War, was a prescient analysis of the unintended consequences of the US preoccupation with its armed forces and their weaponry since the onset of the cold war. Melman wrote: “From 1946 to 1969, the United States government spent over $1,000bn on the military, more than half of this under the Kennedy and Johnson administrations — the period during which the [Pentagon-dominated] state management was established as a formal institution. This sum of staggering size (try to visualize a billion of something) does not express the cost of the military establishment to the nation as a whole. The true cost is measured by what has been foregone, by the accumulated deterioration in many facets of life, by the inability to alleviate human wretchedness of long duration.”



In an important exegesis on Melman’s relevance to the current American economic situation, Thomas Woods writes: “According to the US Department of Defense, during the four decades from 1947 through 1987 it used (in 1982 dollars) $7.62 trillion in capital resources. In 1985, the Department of Commerce estimated the value of the nation’s plant and equipment, and infrastructure, at just over _$7.29 trillion… The amount spent over that period could have doubled the American capital stock or modernized and replaced its existing stock” (7).



The fact that we did not modernise or replace our capital assets is one of the main reasons why, by the turn of the 21st century, our manufacturing base had all but evaporated. Machine tools, an industry on which Melman was an authority, are a particularly important symptom. In November 1968, a five-year inventory disclosed “that 64% of the metalworking machine tools used in US industry were 10 years old or older. The age of this industrial equipment (drills, lathes, etc.) marks the United States’ machine tool stock as the oldest among all major industrial nations, and it marks the continuation of a deterioration process that began with the end of the second world war. This deterioration at the base of the industrial system certifies to the continuous debilitating and depleting effect that the military use of capital and research and development talent has had on American industry.”



Nothing has been done since 1968 to reverse these trends and it shows today in our massive imports of equipment — from medical machines like _proton accelerators for radiological therapy (made primarily in Belgium, Germany, and Japan) to cars and trucks.



Our short tenure as the world’s lone superpower has come to an end. As Harvard economics professor Benjamin Friedman has written: “Again and again it has always been the world’s leading lending country that has been the premier country in terms of political influence, diplomatic influence and cultural influence. It’s no accident that we took over the role from the British at the same time that we took over the job of being the world’s leading lending country. Today we are no longer the world’s leading lending country. In fact we are now the world’s biggest debtor country, and we are continuing to wield influence on the basis of military prowess alone” (8).



Some of the damage can never be rectified. There are, however, some steps that the US urgently needs to take. These include reversing Bush’s 2001 and 2003 tax cuts for the wealthy, beginning to liquidate our global empire of over 800 military bases, cutting from the defence budget all projects that bear no relationship to national security and ceasing to use the defence budget as a Keynesian jobs programme.



If we do these things we have a chance of squeaking by. If we don’t, we face probable national insolvency and a long depression.

[FIREWALL]

I recall some years back the I.R.S. takeing over a prosperous horse ranch in Nevada for back taxes.

And went broke in a month. :p

Any others remember this.

As Paul Harvey said " I'll be back in a moment with the rest of the story" .:yep:


edit: The MUSTANG RANCH. True story will find link.

Some of you faster guys will beat me to it. :lol:

[Skybird]

From Le Monde Diplomatic... European Press

The economic disaster that is military keynesianism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_Keynesianism)

Why the US has really gone broke

(...)

If we do these things we have a chance of squeaking by. If we don’t, we face probable national insolvency and a long depression.

Last time I reported something like that I got massively and personally attacked, and accused of blind dogmatic anti-americanism! :) Aren't you afraid to share that fate? :lol:

There is a superb history book aboiut the link between economy, military spending and state of a nation: Paul Kennedy: "The Rise and Fall of the great Powers. Economic Change and Military Conflict 1500-2000". Highly recommended. Nothing could be more wrong than saying america is the first empire to fall into the trap of becoming bancrupt over military spendings. It is just repeating the same old mistakes - again. And no empire ever recovered from such a breakdown. there will be no unipolar american century. Just a chaotic multipolar competition between several strong players hanging at each other's throats, fighting madly over decreasing reserves of ressources.

And in a not so far away future, they will even fight just about water. Not in ten years - but in this century.

[Happy Times]

There is a superb history book aboiut the link between economy, military spending and state of a nation: Paul Kennedy: "The Rise and Fall of the great Powers. Economic Change and Military Conflict 1500-2000".

Great book indeed.:yep:

I just think present situation has other factors also. But searching what to blame just becomes irrelevant, when people have to survive trough this. I spent last day sitting down with my father and brother, talking honestly about each others economic situation. We made plans and promised to support each other if need be. This was just in case, because people, do not underestimate the seriousnes of the situation. Do not keep large sums of money, atleast in the bank, keep cash home, trade it to something that keeps its value or make a long term investment(careful).
EU isnt immune and if i lived in US, i would prepare for the worst case scenario.
People take insurances normally from a company, but if you cant trust the company to even be around long, you have to create your own insurances. Food and other essentials, physical protection of lives and property(guns, security), something that doesnt loose value to trade with(gold is the best).
Now someone might laugh, but if the threat realizes itself, you will be the one laughing.
I just hope all the Subsim people get trough this and lets hope/pray that we get a small miracle, just dont leave it to just that.

[PeriscopeDepth]

My perception is that much of this was caused by people in the finance industry getting away with too much for too long. Am I in the ballpark here?

I think I'm going to go to grad school, hopefully when I come out this will blow over. I have a feeling recruitment advertising isn't going to be a hot market for the next couple years.

PD

[Happy Times]

My perception is that much of this was caused by people in the finance industry getting away with too much for too long. Am I in the ballpark here?

Yes, tough its a debate is it build in the system or could it be controlled. Who cares now.:lol:

I think I'm going to go to grad school, hopefully when I come out this will blow over. I have a feeling recruitment advertising isn't going to be a hot market for the next couple years.

Sounds like an OK plan.:up:

[Onkel Neal]

It seems the finance system in Amerika learns that changes are leading that far that it no longer is the same world ....



I think you mean "America".

[Tchocky]

Depends on the language, Neal ;)

ANyway, Sky, it's not just the American financial system that's hurting. The current mess is extremely globalised, it was only the subprime collapse that started the ball rolling.
Only two of the Big Five US independent investment banks remain, I wonder how many there will be in a few weeks. Me, I expect Goldman Sachs to start buying commercial banks for stability. Not sure about Morgan Stanley, apparently half of their workforce is going over the Lehman collapse with a microscope, and the other half are trying to de-link their assets from debt markets.

Tiny twinge of schadenfruede when I saw Merrill Lynch selling itself. They wouldn't give me a job :p

[Hitman]

Hmmmm nobody else here thinks that the high oil prices were one of the most important reasons for the crisis detonation? :hmm:

148$ oil means brutal inflation, which in turn means high interest rates, which in turn means many people can't pay the 45 years variable interest rate mortgage they stupidly signed, which in turn means.....BOOOOMM, a torpedo under the waterline of many banks.

[Jimbuna]

Hmmmm nobody else here thinks that the high oil prices were one of the most important reasons for the crisis detonation? :hmm:

148$ oil means brutal inflation, which in turn means high interest rates, which in turn means many people can't pay the 45 years variable interest rate mortgage they stupidly signed, which in turn means.....BOOOOMM, a torpedo under the waterline of many banks.

...and a lesson about not encouraging people to take out high risk loans that obviously will become problematic to make the repayments on one day....not learnt/heeded by the greedy, profit driven banking sector.

[Konovalov]

Shortage of liquidity in the banking system doesn't help.

[Skybird]

Inflation doesn't help either.

There is a tumor in the system, very deep inside, and it has infested both bones and neural system. Removing it is a very bloody, painful and risky operation. But it needs to be done. when you are sick, it is too late for prevention, and you need to suffer what you have to. Living healthier was for the time before. In the past 12 months, hundreds of billions have been pumped into preventing shaken major players from falling. Longterm stablizing result: almost zero.

And isn't it that when banks can make profits at others' costs, they do not want to share with anybody and even betray customers and make wrong calculations about real costs for investements, but if they mess it up and have to pay and found they brought themselves into troubles, they call for help and social solidarity - and suddenly the taxpayer is expected to pay the damage in their place?

the system itself is th problem, and in the end ou culture. Our culture encourages brutality and egoism at the cost of others - if you can make a profit from that. Seen that way the crisis is what our societies deserved. The problem reaches far beyond the obvious, superficial facade.

[joegrundman]

ZOMG!

85 billion taxpayer dollars just went to bailout AIG. 85 billion! the mind boggles. That's got to be more than the company has ever made!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/7620127.stm

AIG will get an $85bn loan, in return for an 80% public stake in the firm.

long live nationalisation!

[Hitman]

And isn't it that when banks can make profits at others' costs, they do not want to share with anybody and even betray customers and make wrong calculations about real costs for investements, but if they mess it up and have to pay and found they brought themselves into troubles, they call for help and social solidarity - and suddenly the taxpayer is expected to pay the damage in their place?

Agree. The only way to look at it from the taxpayer's point of view is by considering that you are trying to help some thousands of innocent workers in that bank. But whenever public help is needed, IMHO it should always mean destitution of the whole directives of the bank and forcing them to pay the black hole they have created, elseif going to prison.

The system itself is th problem, and in the end ou culture. Our culture encourages brutality and egoism at the cost of others - if you can make a profit from that. Seen that way the crisis is what our societies deserved. The problem reaches far beyond the obvious, superficial facade.

Agree even more :yep: But the sad thing is that probably nobody will learn from this :shifty:

[Rockin Robbins]

Socialist perspectives on economic issues are always most amusing.

While technically private enterprises, FNMA and FHLMC are quasi-governmental agencies put together for one purpose. That purpose was the feeling that all are entitled to own a home whether they can afford it or not. In the 1990s great pressure was put on financial institutions to grant loans to the "less fortunate," who could not qualify for a loan under present guidelines. These two agencies were formed to purchase these bad loans from banks and thereby insulate them from the consequences of their coerced foolishness. In a way you could call it hush money. People do what they are paid to do* in any sort of society. Greed is irrelevent in this equation. The responsibility lies with who makes the money available and what they are paying for. The government (disguised as mild-mannered FNMA and FHLMC) paid the banks to make bad loans. We got lots of them!

As such entities often do, FNMA and FHLMC proceeded to eat up mortgages until they owned the vast majority of home loans in the country. At this point, they were so large that failure would be catastropic to the economy. When the housing bubble created by the easy money these agencies made available inevitably burst, the US Government had no choice but to reveal the true nature of these fake private corporations by taking over. That was the situation all along. It was just disguised.

What we are seeing is the predictable consequence of dishonestly applying socialist policies in a capitalist society. If we decide that it is in the national interest for the people who earn enough money to be forced to pay for houses of people who do not, then just pass a law, confiscate the money and do it. Setting up paper tigers and knocking them down for public amusement is beneath contempt.

*Rockin Robbinsism #5

[joegrundman]

Does that go for AIG, Merill Lynch and Lehman too?

[Hylander_1314]

This is what happens when loans for homes are made to those who don't qualify, or will knowingly go into default. It all looked great when things were on the upside. Only thing is, nobody was talking about the downside, as if there could never be one.

Same attitude prevailed before the crash of 1929, that sent the world into the dpression that led up to WWII.

This is one of the reasons the Founding Fathers of the United States of America tried to keep a central banking institution like the Federal Reserve from ever coming into being. But they also had a thing called 'debtors prison' in those days. Today we call it bankruptcy. I think the latter makes people think a bit more before they act.

[Gorduz]

In Norway allmost all banks must pay into a fund that the state control. This fund is used to guarantee that all deposits upto 400.000$. This means that you don't get panic withdrawal of money when the banks are in enough trouble allready.
There is nothing wrong with socialistic approaches in a market economy, but they need to be clear and equal for all partisipants, so that the goal of a free competition is conserved.

BTW I read an article in a paper two years ago predicting this, a colapse in the economy. This is of course not sensational but the reason they had was very good and easy to understand. Wearing pink shirts became "in" again!, and thats the clearest sign that the economy is unhealthy.. :)

[SteamWake]

Pelosi says "Hey its not the Dem's fault".

Why dont we just look into this and see whos 'fault' it really is.:hmm:

[UnderseaLcpl]

In Norway allmost all banks must pay into a fund that the state control. This fund is used to guarantee that all deposits upto 400.000$. This means that you don't get panic withdrawal of money when the banks are in enough trouble allready.
There is nothing wrong with socialistic approaches in a market economy, but they need to be clear and equal for all partisipants, so that the goal of a free competition is conserved.


Oil makes up almost half of Norway's total exports, and the oil business is nationalized, and Norway is still in debt. Almost 500 billlion dollars in debt, in fact.

Norway may be on the up now, but they'lll have to come up with something else when their oil resources are exhausted or demand for them falls.

[bookworm_020]

Well banks here in Australia are doing fine, Billion dollar profits for each mid and full year report! They just keep uping the fees and charges!:stare:

I'm with a credit union, no fees, no charges, and all profits returned to members through improvements in services. I'm not going near a bank again if I can help it!

[Happy Times]

There is a superb history book aboiut the link between economy, military spending and state of a nation: Paul Kennedy: "The Rise and Fall of the great Powers. Economic Change and Military Conflict 1500-2000".

Great book indeed.:yep:

I just think present situation has other factors also. But searching what to blame just becomes irrelevant, when people have to survive trough this. I spent last day sitting down with my father and brother, talking honestly about each others economic situation. We made plans and promised to support each other if need be. This was just in case, because people, do not underestimate the seriousnes of the situation. Do not keep large sums of money, atleast in the bank, keep cash home, trade it to something that keeps its value or make a long term investment(careful).
EU isnt immune and if i lived in US, i would prepare for the worst case scenario.
People take insurances normally from a company, but if you cant trust the company to even be around long, you have to create your own insurances. Food and other essentials, physical protection of lives and property(guns, security), something that doesnt loose value to trade with(gold is the best).
Now someone might laugh, but if the threat realizes itself, you will be the one laughing.
I just hope all the Subsim people get trough this and lets hope/pray that we get a small miracle, just dont leave it to just that.

My gold is going up.:up: Its not too late people to get some today, move!
WaMu, AIG, Wachovia and Citigroup are on danger, its not just the investors. FED has used half its capability, it cant save all! Its hyperinflation or recession! You dont want to be the last in line of a bank run! Finland had a Great Depression size depression in the early 90s. FED people have been to Finland to study how that was hadled. One way was establishing a "rubbish bank" where all the "rubbish loans" were gathered. But we still have people who are affected by those times!

[Happy Times]

EU is going to follow suit, especially UK, Spain and Baltics. :nope:

[Tchocky]

And HBOS is bought out by Halifax.

[Skybird]

Hm. It certainly is to be expected that banks buy other banks in this crisis. However. Imagine the ba´nks reuslting from these fusions! Even bigger banks! Even more power and influence concentrated in even less institutions and hands! It's not that these institutions are driven by wellmeaning and altruism, but by profit-craving. If you go to a bank today to buy one of their "products", you get told a lot of crap and worthless misinformation, and whenever some investigators examine their business practices with private customers, they find in very very many cases the hidden costs of a product to be three times as high than what people get told and persuaded with in the high-gloss advertising.

Do I really want such institutions without any democrati legitimation for their enormous power in economics and politics to become even more powerful? the fewer players there are, the more monopolism - and it already is a swamp right now.

Looking beyond the imidiate things and watching how our civilisation as a whole gets influences by the banking "culture", it seems it can only become worse, seen that way.

[Happy Times]

Im pumping my next paycheck to gold, you cant loose!

[Skybird]

A mishap:

http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/0,1518,578924,00.html

:dead:

[Happy Times]

A mishap:

http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/0,1518,578924,00.html

:dead:

Small change tough, New York today will be chaos.

[joegrundman]

A mishap:

http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/0,1518,578924,00.html

:dead:

this is just a nightmare

[Skybird]

But it's not Sparta.

Obviously. :lol:

[joegrundman]

So what is the conclusion?

Finance is too important to be left to the bankers?

An expensive lesson, if so.

[Happy Times]

I dont know but this is getting ridicilous, FED got other central banks "printing" money.
They have pumped a trillion in few days, they are only delaying the ineviteble, making the bill bigger for us to pay.
This is madness.:o

[McBeck]

Banks here in Denmark are facing problems as well.

One has already gone .... bankrupt.

The problem here in Denmark has been the housing market. It has been rising so fast that everybody wanted a piece of the action and the banks has not been careful enough with their risk portfolio. They used to have 1 in 5 loans that was deemed a risk.
Their greed has made them accept a much higher value.
At this point you can not loan money for a house unless you can prove you have a buyer for your existing one.
There are more houses for sale at this point than there has been for many many years!

[Dowly]

No problem here, France has the best border patrol in the world. These guys stopped chernobyl radiations at the border...

With what? Huge white flags that caused the wind direction to change thus making the radiation cloud go back to east? :p

[UnderseaLcpl]

No problem here, France has the best border patrol in the world. These guys stopped chernobyl radiations at the border, so you bet they won't let in some illegal crisis in the country. Well at least that's what our minister of economy is saying (in short :D)

At least it's a step up from the days when Germans were getting in all the time:rotfl:

(sorry, I couldn't help myself)

[Jimbuna]

Will Morgan Stanley be the next victim....there shares are currently down 26% in value :hmm:

[mookiemookie]

In the 1990s great pressure was put on financial institutions to grant loans to the "less fortunate," who could not qualify for a loan under present guidelines.
If you're blaming the Community Reinvestment Act, it may be worth mentioning that the CRA has been around since the 1970s and the vast majority of subprime lending was done by mortgage brokers that were not subject to CRA guidelines. The CRA has actually become less enforced and a lot looser over the years.

These two agencies were formed to purchase these bad loans from banks and thereby insulate them from the consequences of their coerced foolishness.
Not exactly. FNMA was formed in the late 1930s to enable banks to receive instant cash to turn around and lend out again after making a mortgage. Sort of like those ads on TV for people who buy cash flows and annuities. FHLMC was formed in the 1960s to create a competitor for the mortgage backing business. Furthermore, FNMA and FHLMC have guidelines as to credit score, loan to value percentages, total loan amount, documentation, etc for the types of loans they will purchase from banks. These guidelines prevented FNMA and FHLMC from backing subprime mortgages.

The government (disguised as mild-mannered FNMA and FHLMC) paid the banks to make bad loans. We got lots of them!
FNMA and FHLMC operated just fine for 70 years prior to this. It was their own investment portfolios that invested in subprime that got them in trouble, not necessarily the loans they backed.

[Happy Times]

877-860-HOARD-CASH

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJMS5OrdAcg

:up:

[Happy Times]

Best analogy for the central banks printing more money? Ive heard some good ones today, il post later.:up:

[Skybird]

A mishap:

http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/0,1518,578924,00.html

:dead:

300 million was yesterday. We now have reached 500 million euros gotten thrown out of the window.

Just by "fault".

"We're sorry."

[Jimbuna]

A mishap:

http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/0,1518,578924,00.html

:dead:

300 million was yesterday. We now have reached 500 million euros gotten thrown out of the window.

Just by "fault".

"We're sorry."

Which building...which window.....give me a damn location man....is there a pavement outside :o

:lol: ;)

[Skybird]

Goldmann Sachs and morgan Stanley have given up their special statis as investement banks, and turned into normal business banks. since today, there are no investement banks of the former kind anymore. A Chinese bank will buy themselves into Morgan stanley.

It is no surprise that the american demand that other nations should raise aide packages like the american 700 billion package, have been rejected by all european nations. Since years, Washington and London stubbornly prevented, refused and rejected any control mechanisms for the fiancial business, and blocked any attempt to increase control of it, always saying that even more liberal partctices were needed. What we have today is the logical consequence of this stubborness: the end of Wall Street as we have known it. Since America caused the mess and not only has grievly wounded itself, but caused many billions of damages to foreign national economies as well, it is only just and fair, that it will need to pay for the costs and damages mostly all by itself.

"Wer nicht hören will, muß fühlen."

For her standards, chancellor Merkel became quite angry recently when bluntly rejecting the demand that the euopeans should participate in the ameircan aide fond, and she listed the many opportunities when america blocked, rejected, refused and prevented better control mechanisms that so far have europe positioned in a much better position to survive the current crisis, and could have saved america as well - if only it would not have been so stubborn. But america always knows it better, doesn't it, and never listens. I must say that I have witnessed quite some hidden Schadenfreude over here in recent days. I do not share it, but I can understand where it comes from.

Now, plenty of US government bonds get pumped onto the market, to pay for the aid package. The problem is that these are almost worthless papers, and the process itself dramatically increases national inflation - which today has caused new nervousness and easioly couold become a new trigger for a huge crisis - with the current one not even close to being over.

Mahlzeit.

[Skybird]

Jospeh Stiglitz (nobel prize winning economist) in interview:

http://www.faz.net/s/Rub48D1CBFB8D984684AF5F46CE28AC585D/Doc~EF79D68090A1F47A8ADDA232B1FD0AB67~ATpl~Ecommon ~Sspezial.html

[Skybird]

http://www.spiegel.de/international/business/0,1518,579880,00.html

It's not a call for assistance; it's a scream for help. US Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson is asking other countries to help buy up bad US debt. The US government is putting up $700 billion in taxpayer money in the hopes that the measure might restore stability in the financial system. Some countries are planning to help. But the German government has answered this call quickly and clearly: no.

Economics experts think that's the right response. As they see it, in the long run, those responsible for the crisis -- who have been cashed out with high salaries and bonuses for years -- will not be penalized for billions "but will be let off the hook like everyone else," says Carsten Meier of the Kiel Institute for the World Economy (IfW). According to Meier, by injecting capital into the market, the US government is putting everyone who speculated and lost back on their feet and thereby standing in the way of a market cleanup.


In other words: the roulette playing and casino-mentality of those having caused the mess over the past years, are rewarded, and their methods are getting justified in retrospective - at the cost of the community and the rest of the globe outside american borders. It already is a scandal that these figures cannot be brought to justice at court and cannot be held legally responsible. Such ammounts of negligence as we have seen from bankers and their political supporters, should bring you into prison. And in many other jobs, it would - for years.

[DeepIron]

There are 3 things that irritate me about the proposed "bailout":

First: It directly compromises a basic tenet of Capitalism; those that can't survive in the market should die off and be replaced by those who can. Bailouts and subsidies just support bad business practices and continue the problems IMO.

Second: As an American taxpayer, I'm already under the gun supporting a war or two, a huge amount of foreign aid packages and increased cost of living at home. Now, my government wants me to pay for someones bad business decisions?

Third: As a former business owner, I would not have been able to appeal for this kind of help IF I had allowed my business to deteriorate. Why should these guys be any different?

IMO, I say "let them fail".

[Konovalov]

IMO, I say "let them fail".
Those that have proposed this would present the counter-argument of somewhere along the lines of "They fail, then we all fail."

[DeepIron]

IMO, I say "let them fail". Those that have proposed this would present the counter-argument of somewhere along the lines of "They fail, then we all fail."
I hate to sound cold-hearted but, oh well, so be it. Systems have failed before and been "re-created". I consider it to be a form of "evolution". That which is incapable of surviving should be replaced by something more adaptive and successful. Whether its a system of government (socialism), society (the caste system) or financial (stupidity and greed), et al.

Capitalism, of which the banking/financial sector is a wonderful example thereof, is based on competition and adaptation to the markets. These jerks made bad decisions, not just once, but in multiplicity. The investors and shareholders could only see the $$$... not the ramifications of failure, such as we see now. Boo-hoo.

America has a bad habit of subsidizing that which appears prone to fail. The farming sector and the railway industries come quickly to mind. LET THEM FAIL! Something better will come of it! Look at history, never, in all our history, has a system come to ruin that wasn't replaced by something better. Failure stimulates creativity and competition!

As a taxpayer, one whose own 401K DOES NOT include investment in these failures, I don't care to shoulder another financial burden. I'm 51, have lost everything before, and don't care to start again. What I would pay out in taxes to save these jerks and a failed system, should go into my own "nest egg" as a hedge against a retirement I hope to enjoy someday.

The biggest problem with the current situation, IMO, is that people are so afraid of what they will lose, they won't see what they could gain.

[DeepIron]

First time I ever agreed with this guy: http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/23/paul.bailout/index.html

Quote from the article:
I am afraid that policymakers today have not learned the lesson that prices must adjust to economic reality. The bailout of Fannie and Freddie, the purchase of AIG, and the latest multi-hundred billion dollar Treasury scheme all have one thing in common: They seek to prevent the liquidation of bad debt and worthless assets at market prices, and instead try to prop up those markets and keep those assets trading at prices far in excess of what any buyer would be willing to pay.

[Skybird]

IMO, I say "let them fail".
Those that have proposed this would present the counter-argument of somewhere along the lines of "They fail, then we all fail."
Let it fail and let it be a lesson for all of us and especially for America who resisted any more efficient control and reuglation mechnism until weeks ago. the argument you give just rewards the failure of the past, att he cost of all others. It legitimizes the risky games and the mismanagement that lead to all this. It turns lacking sense of responsibility and ölackiong sense of realism into ultimate wins and profits.

So, it will be tried again.


yesterday I finished reading y book by helmut shcmidt, and in the night, he was on TV in a 1 hour interview, or a 1-on-1 talk. He attacked america for it's stubborn rejection of any market reulation and control mechnaism, and loisted that in several fields the US already is the greatest regulator of all. Regarding the finacial crisis, he used a metaphor which is so very easy and correct: in earlier times there were only some sheep in the Lüneburger hathland, and therefor you needed no traffic rules at all. but today, there are roads and a huge highway, and traffic has become incredibly intense - there are thiousdands of cars now, and thus you need traffic regulation and rules. Fincial traffic also has become incredibly tense, very tense, and like too many cars running a grid of roads, crossroads and trafficlights, fiancial traffic today also needs a certain ammount of traffic rules, and oversight, and a traffic police.

He also - like I did above - complained and called it one of the worst aspects of this crisis that those responsible for mismanagement and preventing of efficient control mechnaism, cannot be held legally liable. This is something that needs to be changed in western law codes - there must be the possibility to hold managers and decision-makers responsible over the outcome of their decisions. Guess the will to take gambles with money that is not your own will dramatically fall very suddenly, and more solid management would start to dominate instead of casino-emotions.

The prices will rise all over the world in the coming months as a result of the aid package, if it really becomes reality in the form it was announced, for somehow, their must be refinancing for the costs it causes. Never forget that we all, americans and non-americans alike, will pay for both the failures at Wall Street and the American policy that stubbornly was determined to prevent better control and monitoring of financial markets - until it was too late.

[Jimbuna]

Should I start shifting my share portfolio out of finance do you think :hmm: