McCain / Palin have significant lead in the electorial college now!!!

[SUBMAN1]

Good for them!

-S

http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/6529/cpby4.gif

[Sailor Steve]

The electoral college doesn't even convene until the voting's done. Or didn't you know that?

[SUBMAN1]

The electoral college doesn't even convene until the voting's done. Or didn't you know that?Regardless how the above pic makes you feel, this is what states are going where and what that vote count means for each candidate.

And you know that.

-S

[Sailor Steve]

No, I don't know that. It seems you do, or think you do. How is this tabulated? Polling? Guesswork? A secret election they didn't tell us about?

I'd love to actually "know" half the things you claim to.

[JoeCorrado]

Care to provide a link to your source, or would that cost you credibility?


Here you go is one that I am not afraid to link (http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/06/10/electoral.map/) to.

Obama 243 - McCain 189 with several states leaning heavily Obama that have not been credited to him as yet but remain instead listed as "toss up" states. You do the math and get back to me, OK?

http://webpages.charter.net/joecorrado1/CNNelectoralMap.jpg

The electoral college doesn't even convene until the voting's done. Or didn't you know that?Regardless how the above pic makes you feel, this is what states are going where and what that vote count means for each candidate.

And you know that.

-S
Actually, what your "resource" shows is the best possible "spin" being applied in favor of your chosen candidate; aka John McCain. That is true, and you know that. Please do not add your own spin on top of that which you have already posted in an effort to provide credibility that simply does not exist.

[SUBMAN1]

I apologize. I always include links except when I'm going 100 MPH - processing video in between my posts here.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/maps/obama_vs_mccain/

By the way, I think your link is a little out of date. Mine is current.

-S

PS. Notice the date on CNN's (Sept 3rd)


updated 5:25 p.m. EDT, Wed September 3, 2008


CNN's Electoral Map: Who's ahead

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/06/10/electoral.map/index.html

Thats 2 weeks out of date.

[JoeCorrado]

I apologize. I always include links except when I'm going 100 MPH - processing video in between my posts here.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/maps/obama_vs_mccain/

By the way, I think your link is a little out of date. Mine is current.

-S

PS. Notice the date on CNN's (Sept 3rd)


updated 5:25 p.m. EDT, Wed September 3, 2008


CNN's Electoral Map: Who's ahead

Thanks for the link, I appreciate it.

Here is the one that I refer to most often. These maps are somewhat skewed because they assume certain events will remain static. I usually look at the states that are "solid" in their support one way or another and take the rest with a grain of salt- when a state goes from toss up to leaning is pretty iffy stuff and in many cases they won't be fully decided till election day.

Here is the map that I memntioned- I stick with it because it includes data from pretty much every poll and averages the results which yeilds a more accurate trend and more reliable results.

http://www.pollster.com/

Once again, thanks for your link and I hope that the election will eventually turn to the issues so that all Americans can decide based upon real issues instead of 30 second attack ads.

[Platapus]

That's why these "maps" are not very useful. Depending on the source you can get different results.

http://www.270towin.com/ Has Obama 186 and McCain 178

http://www.electoral-vote.com/ Has McCain at 270 and Obama 268

http://electoralmap.net/index.php Has McCain at 265 and Obama at 264

http://elections.nytimes.com/2008/president/whos-ahead/key-states/map.html has Obama at 238 and McCain at 227

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/08/karl-rove-map.html has Obama at 263 and McCain at 183

You can notice that none of these maps has the same numbers.

Since the individual state electors are under no obligation to vote respective to the popular vote, and since the election is weeks away, I would not put too much emphasis in to any of these maps or polls.

Looking at the numbers on these maps and others, I can only come to the conclusion that the race between Obama and McCain is "pretty close". :yep:

[SUBMAN1]

You have to look at the date. Then they become very useful.

-S

[mrbeast]

So you don't think that the 104 that could go either way make this map just a little useless as a predictor for who will win the presidency, Subman?

[Digital_Trucker]

Once again, thanks for your link and I hope that the election will eventually turn to the issues so that all Americans can decide based upon real issues instead of 30 second attack ads.

This coming from someone who trusts a CNN estimate partially based on ADVERTISING EXPENDITURES. :rotfl:

[JoeCorrado]

Once again, thanks for your link and I hope that the election will eventually turn to the issues so that all Americans can decide based upon real issues instead of 30 second attack ads.
This coming from someone who trusts a CNN estimate partially based on ADVERTISING EXPENDITURES. :rotfl:

Reaading comprehension is not your strong suit, is it?

[Digital_Trucker]

Once again, thanks for your link and I hope that the election will eventually turn to the issues so that all Americans can decide based upon real issues instead of 30 second attack ads.
This coming from someone who trusts a CNN estimate partially based on ADVERTISING EXPENDITURES. :rotfl:
Reaading comprehension is not your strong suit, is it?
Perhaps I missed something, but you posted an image of (and a link to) the CNN electoral estimate and called it one that you were not afraid to link to. If you'll read the text above the pretty picture, it states that the estimate is based partly on advertising expenditures. I thought it pretty damn ironic that you hope the campaign gets away from attack ads, when you're quoting a source that used advertising dollars spent to predict the current voting situation. Perhaps my sense of irony is too acute.

[SUBMAN1]

These numbers only mean something if Obama is in the lead. That will never happen of course with him talking about lipstick pigs!

http://www.buildaforum.com/hardknock/img/my_images/pig.jpg

-S

[JoeCorrado]

Once again, thanks for your link and I hope that the election will eventually turn to the issues so that all Americans can decide based upon real issues instead of 30 second attack ads.
This coming from someone who trusts a CNN estimate partially based on ADVERTISING EXPENDITURES. :rotfl:
Reaading comprehension is not your strong suit, is it?
Perhaps I missed something, but you posted an image of (and a link to) the CNN electoral estimate and called it one that you were not afraid to link to. If you'll read the text above the pretty picture, it states that the estimate is based partly on advertising expenditures. I thought it pretty damn ironic that you hope the campaign gets away from attack ads, when you're quoting a source that used advertising dollars spent to predict the current voting situation. Perhaps my sense of irony is too acute.
ROFL... you have GOT to be kidding. :rotfl:

Pick any map that you like if it makes you happy.

Speaking of pitbulls and Palin- is this what she looks like without the lipstick?

http://www.nexternal.com/swisher/images/Avanti_022302.jpg

[Digital_Trucker]

Once again, thanks for your link and I hope that the election will eventually turn to the issues so that all Americans can decide based upon real issues instead of 30 second attack ads.
This coming from someone who trusts a CNN estimate partially based on ADVERTISING EXPENDITURES. :rotfl:
Reaading comprehension is not your strong suit, is it?
Perhaps I missed something, but you posted an image of (and a link to) the CNN electoral estimate and called it one that you were not afraid to link to. If you'll read the text above the pretty picture, it states that the estimate is based partly on advertising expenditures. I thought it pretty damn ironic that you hope the campaign gets away from attack ads, when you're quoting a source that used advertising dollars spent to predict the current voting situation. Perhaps my sense of irony is too acute.
ROFL... you have GOT to be kidding. :rotfl:

Pick any map that you like if it makes you happy.
I'm not advocating the use of any map. They and all polls are fallible. Perhaps I misunderstood you when you said you weren't afraid to link to it. I took it to mean you were trusting it. Perhaps you meant something else. :hmm:

Edit : BTW, you chose the map, not I.

[SUBMAN1]

ROFL... you have GOT to be kidding. :rotfl:

Pick any map that you like if it makes you happy.

Speaking of pitbulls and Palin- is this what she looks like without the lipstick?

That's the best you can do?

-S

[fatty]

I am going to be so glad when this election is over.

[Enigma]

Just when I think Subman couldn't be any more hysterically amusing.....:rotfl:

[Kataki]

I am going to be so glad when this election is over.

QFT

I'm just amazed by all the people who pretend the republicans haven't been in power for the past eight years, and haven't run the dirtiest campaigns which have little to nothing to do with the issues.

Play the sympathy card moar.

Polls and political maps are effening stupid. Basically all anyone should believe is that there are enough stupid people out there to vote for which ever candidate you don't like so its gonna be a tight race.

[SUBMAN1]

Just when I think Subman couldn't be any more hysterically amusing.....:rotfl:I'm glad I amuse you! That is my aim! :up:

-S

[JoeCorrado]

ROFL... you have GOT to be kidding. :rotfl:

Pick any map that you like if it makes you happy.

Speaking of pitbulls and Palin- is this what she looks like without the lipstick?

That's the best you can do?

-S

I was attempting to show that the use of silly photo's is a waste of time and effort- each side can reciprocate a thousand times with just the first search- do we really want to start down the road??

If you want to take that route, have at it I just think it is a waste of time and detracts from the topic- but you go ahead and do what you think is best, ok?

[TDK1044]

I was surprised the other day when Joe Biden asked the wheelchair bound Senator Chuck Graham to stand up and take a bow, that Barack Obama didn't appear in a puff of smoke and make it happen. He is the Messiah isn't he? Maybe the Electoral College didn't get the memo. :D

[Tchocky]

Re the "Messiah" stuff, I find it funny how often criticism of Obama defaults to the status of his public speaking. The old criticism of someone having great words but no action, formulated entirely on the basis of them having great words. It's like he's being attacked for being too popular.
McCain ran an ad making fun of Obama's huge crowds, but let's face it, if John McCain could attract 75,000 people, he would, and he'd talk it up.

Anyhoo, I usually use fivethirtyeight.com for balanced pollsw and polling commentary, it seems McCain is neither wildly ahead or behind the curve -

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/09/media-has-been-thrown-off-its-game.html

[Digital_Trucker]

A writer and baseball analyst is your trusted source, Tchocky? Interesting choice.:hmm: Well, I guess we'll see if he's as good at politics as he is at baseball stats.

[Tchocky]

Seriously, it's a comprehensive site. I like the polling data for every state, and historical comparisons. Example - from the news coverage this week you wouldn't expect the McCain campaign to be only on-track.

Rasmussen has a good daily tracking poll, too.

[Konovalov]

I am going to be so glad when this election is over.
You're not the only one.

[Tchocky]

I am going to be so glad when this election is over.
You're not the only one.

Like I said in the other thread, it's like crack to me. Don't know what I'm going to do once November the 5th pulls around :cry:

[TDK1044]

You make a good point Tchocky. In the end though, it all comes down to about six critical States.....that's what makes this such a fascinating race.

I'm still one of the many undecided voters who are looking forward to the debates so that we can hear specific answers to questions, and not just the political bs and spin that all these candidates are guilty of.

There are things about Obama and McCain that I respect and admire. Either of them would bring integrity to the White House in different ways. I don't think McCain is capable of a second term though, and if he was the President, that could mean a Hillary v Palin race in 2012.

The pantsuit versus the moose...how cool would that be!:D

[Tchocky]

There are things about Obama and McCain that I respect and admire. Either of them would bring integrity to the White House in different ways.

I used to think that, too. Lost respect for both of them over the course of the last year. Now I can't see anything good coming out of a McCain administration, I don't look at him with any measure of respect. Like I said, I saw him speak less than 2 years ago, and he was adamant that he woudln't be running for President.
I see Obama as a much-needed change of direction, a man who is flawed but congizant of the need for compromise to get things done. I'm scared that the election will become concerned with old-fashioned "culture-war" issues such as abortion or the 2nd Amendment, and we'll never get anywhere.
We, because the result of election will affect the rest of the world. It will define the last 8 years as either a horrific aberration, or the standard model of punish and torture.

Sigh. This shouldn't be happening.

[Digital_Trucker]

@Tchocky Don't get me wrong, I wasn't trying to knock it. I haven't finished going through his methodology yet (nor am I a statistical expert), but I see only 2 contributors to the site, Nate Silver and Sean Quinn (both Obama supporters) and I haven't been able to find any info on Quinn yet. From what I've read of his methodology, it sounds good, but it's so easy to slant things when you're dealing with polls and even statistical analyses of polls. They can analyze all they want, but until the votes are counted (and maybe recounted, disputed, and recounted again) we won't know until we know.

[Tchocky]

@Tchocky Don't get me wrong, I wasn't trying to knock it. I haven't finished going through his methodology yet (nor am I a statistical expert), but I see only 2 contributors to the site, Nate Silver and Sean Quinn (both Obama supporters) Got a source for the Obama bit?

[Digital_Trucker]

@Tchocky Don't get me wrong, I wasn't trying to knock it. I haven't finished going through his methodology yet (nor am I a statistical expert), but I see only 2 contributors to the site, Nate Silver and Sean Quinn (both Obama supporters) Got a source for the Obama bit?
Yeah, you linked to it. It's in their site:hmm: Go to the FAQ part of the site and read about who the site's owner is. Either in the FAQ or the methodology links, he states that he is an Obama supporter and so is Quinn.

Edit: He's from Chicago, too.

What is your political affiliation? My state has non-partisan registration, so I am not registered as anything. I vote for Democratic candidates the majority of the time (though by no means always). This year, I have been a supporter of Barack Obama. The other contributor to this website, Sean, has also been a supporter of Barack Obama.

[Tchocky]

Ah, never really read the FAQ.

[Digital_Trucker]

Ah, never really read the FAQ.

They're kinda like ReadMe's, hardly anyone ever does.:D Most FAQs are boring, but that one had lots of nice info in it.

[UnderseaLcpl]

They're kinda like ReadMe's, hardly anyone ever does.:D Most FAQs are boring, but that one had lots of nice info in it.


What!?:o

I love readme's and FAQ's. They're so....readable.
Don't tell me I'm the only one.......:cry:

[Digital_Trucker]

They're kinda like ReadMe's, hardly anyone ever does.:D Most FAQs are boring, but that one had lots of nice info in it.

What!?:o

I love readme's and FAQ's. They're so....readable.
Don't tell me I'm the only one.......:cry:
No, you're not, how do you think I ended up reading it:rotfl:Let me rephrase that: Most folks THINK ReadMe's and FAQs are boring, but it's a little known secret that they are indubitably the most satisfying reading in the universe.

[Takeda Shingen]

The electoral college doesn't even convene until the voting's done. Or didn't you know that?Regardless how the above pic makes you feel, this is what states are going where and what that vote count means for each candidate.

And you know that.

-S

Actually, Steve is correct. This means absolutely nothing prior to election day. Any estimate, regardless of what or whom it shows in the lead, is little more than propaganda distributed by the pundits of a political movement or party. When it comes to politics, objectivity is nonexistant.

[SUBMAN1]

I was attempting to show that the use of silly photo's is a waste of time and effort- each side can reciprocate a thousand times with just the first search- do we really want to start down the road??

If you want to take that route, have at it I just think it is a waste of time and detracts from the topic- but you go ahead and do what you think is best, ok?Just trying to get a laugh. Not being serious at all. :up:

-S

[SUBMAN1]

Actually, Steve is correct. This means absolutely nothing prior to election day. Any estimate, regardless of what or whom it shows in the lead, is little more than propaganda distributed by the pundits of a political movement or party. When it comes to politics, objectivity is nonexistant.Oh - nothing is over till the fat lady sings, but in this case, it is rare for a Republican to be this far ahead so early. That just doesn't happen. Never has in 20 years. Not for Bush, or Bush Sr.

Regan, I don't remember completely. I remember he was popular from the get go though.

-S

[Platapus]

Don't know what I'm going to do once November the 5th pulls around :cry:

You will do what a lot of Americans do -- start badmouthing whom ever won.

I can see the headlines 20 Jan 09, 1300 local time

Obama/McCain, a failure at being President.

President Obama/McCain has been in office for an entire hour and has failed to push though a single campaign promise. Opposing party members are considering drafting up articles of Impeachment.

Senator McCain/Obama was quoted as saying "I told you so, if you had only elected me, I could have made that first hour pay off." :up:

[Digital_Trucker]

:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:How true:D