The White man speaks: Kramers defense in court.

[kiwi_2005]

Got this in an email other day. So i dont know if it was actually his speech or a made up one roaming the net. Im part Croatian/Maori i consider myself lucky i got the white mans culture on one side (fathers) and the color mans culture on the other (mothers). When i read this i couldn't help nodding in agreement in some of what he said. But im not saying hes correct if he doesn't be careful he could fall in the hands of the extremists and really lose site of reality.

Be nice ppl. :)

Michael Richards is better known as Kramer from tv's Seinfeld series.
This was his defense speech in court after making racial comments in his comedy act.
He makes some very interesting points. He said :
I'm proud To Be White
Someone finally said it.
How many are actually paying attention to this ?
There are African Americans, Mexican Americans,
Asian Americans, Arab Americans, etc.
And then there are just Americans.
You pass me on the street and sneer in my direction.
You Call me 'White boy,' 'Cracker,' 'Honkey,'
'Whitey,' 'Caveman' ... and that's OK. But when I call you, ******, Kike, Towel head,
Sand-******, Camel Jockey, Beaner , Gook, or Chink ...
You call me a racist.
You say that whites commit a lot of violence against you,
so why are the ghettos the most dangerous places to live ?
You have the United Negro College Fund.
You have Martin Luther King Day.
You have Black History Month.
You have Cesar Chavez Day.
You have Yom Hashoah.
You have Ma'uled Al-Nabi.
You have the NAACP.
You have BET.
If we had WET (White Entertainment Television) we'd be racists.
If we had a White Pride Day, you would call us racists.
If we had White History Month , we'd be racists.
If we had any organization for only whites to 'advance'
OUR lives we'd be racists.
We have a Hispanic Chamber of Commerce, a Black Chamber of Commerce, and then we just have the plain Chamber of Commerce.
Wonder who pays for that ?
A white woman could not be in the Miss Black American pageant,
but any color can be in the Miss America pageant. If we had a college fund that only gave white students scholarships you know we'd be racists. There are over 60 openly proclaimed Black Colleges in the US . Yet if there were 'White colleges' THAT would be a racist college.
In the Million Man March, you believed that you were marching for your race and rights. If we marched for our race and rights,
you would call us racists. You are proud to be black, brown, yellow and orange, and you're not afraid to announce it.
But when we announce our white pride, you call us racists.
You rob us, carjack us, and shoot at us...
But , when a white police officer shoots a black gang member or
beats up a black drug-dealer running from the law and posing a
threat to society, you call him a racist.
I am proud.
But you call me a racist.
Why is it that only whites can be racists ?

[Thomen]

Got this in an email other day. So i dont know if it was actually his speech or a made up one roaming the net. Im part Croatian/Maori i consider myself lucky i got the white mans culture on one side (fathers) and the color mans culture on the other (mothers). When i read this i couldn't help nodding in agreement in some of what he said. But im not saying hes correct if he doesn't be careful he could fall in the hands of the extremists and really lose site of reality.

Be nice ppl. :)

Michael Richards is better known as Kramer from tv's Seinfeld series.
This was his defense speech in court after making racial comments in his comedy act.
He makes some very interesting points. He said :
I'm proud To Be White
Someone finally said it.
How many are actually paying attention to this ?
There are African Americans, Mexican Americans,
Asian Americans, Arab Americans, etc.
And then there are just Americans.
You pass me on the street and sneer in my direction.
You Call me 'White boy,' 'Cracker,' 'Honkey,'
'Whitey,' 'Caveman' ... and that's OK. But when I call you, ******, Kike, Towel head,
Sand-******, Camel Jockey, Beaner , Gook, or Chink ...
You call me a racist.
You say that whites commit a lot of violence against you,
so why are the ghettos the most dangerous places to live ?
You have the United Negro College Fund.
You have Martin Luther King Day.
You have Black History Month.
You have Cesar Chavez Day.
You have Yom Hashoah.
You have Ma'uled Al-Nabi.
You have the NAACP.
You have BET.
If we had WET (White Entertainment Television) we'd be racists.
If we had a White Pride Day, you would call us racists.
If we had White History Month , we'd be racists.
If we had any organization for only whites to 'advance'
OUR lives we'd be racists.
We have a Hispanic Chamber of Commerce, a Black Chamber of Commerce, and then we just have the plain Chamber of Commerce.
Wonder who pays for that ?
A white woman could not be in the Miss Black American pageant,
but any color can be in the Miss America pageant. If we had a college fund that only gave white students scholarships you know we'd be racists. There are over 60 openly proclaimed Black Colleges in the US . Yet if there were 'White colleges' THAT would be a racist college.
In the Million Man March, you believed that you were marching for your race and rights. If we marched for our race and rights,
you would call us racists. You are proud to be black, brown, yellow and orange, and you're not afraid to announce it.
But when we announce our white pride, you call us racists.
You rob us, carjack us, and shoot at us...
But , when a white police officer shoots a black gang member or
beats up a black drug-dealer running from the law and posing a
threat to society, you call him a racist.
I am proud.
But you call me a racist.
Why is it that only whites can be racists ?
Well, looking at it from a somewhat outside perspective, he is certainly correct in some, if not most regards. But unfortunately the country is policed by the PC crowd and does not want any criticism about ethnic intolerance from anybody, especially whites.



EDIT:
Did some research on this and apparently someone just stuck Richards name on it. Snopes said that the piece appeared on the internet long before the incident.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/proudwhite.asp

[kiwi_2005]

Did some research on this and apparently someone just stuck Richards name on it. Snopes said that the piece appeared on the internet long before the incident.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/proudwhite.asp

:up: I thought it strange he would go and do the rant speech he would want to move away from that not invite more. Thanks for clearing that up. I should of goggled before i posted the above.

[Biggles]

Seemed rather unlikely that it would be him. He just snapped that night, and was very regretful afterwards. Seems rather odd to say this in court then don't you think?:hmm:

[SUBMAN1]

Some very true words in that piece.

-S

[UnderseaLcpl]

Some very true words in that piece.

-S


Careful. You'll mess up our conspiracies with talk like that. :shifty:

[Jimbuna]

Some very true words in that piece.

-S

I agree......and in particular with the last line :yep:

I certainly don't consider myself a racist, but prefer to take the stance that everybody is treated equitably and with no more favour than another.

[Dowly]

Some very true words in that piece.

-S
I agree......and in particular with the last line :yep:

I certainly don't consider myself a racist, but prefer to take the stance that everybody is treated equitably and with no more favour than another.

Exactly how I look at it. :up:

[mrbeast]

Some very true words in that piece.

-S

On the contrary,

Its just the usual bigoted right-wing nonsense that floats around the internet and spams up peoples inboxes,

[SUBMAN1]

Some very true words in that piece.

-S
On the contrary,

Its just the usual bigoted right-wing nonsense that floats around the internet and spams up peoples inboxes,Show me where it is not true then. I'd like to see it.

-S

[Happy Times]

If i were black i wouldnt want to be seen special, its like how children need attention, these kind of exsamples bring tension in our politically correct world.

[mrbeast]

Ok then i'll go through this especially for you Subman ;)

You pass me on the street and sneer in my direction.
You Call me 'White boy,' 'Cracker,' 'Honkey,'
'Whitey,' 'Caveman' ... and that's OK.
But when I call you, ******, Kike, Towel head,
Sand-******, Camel Jockey, Beaner , Gook, or Chink ...
You call me a racist.

Why would any white other than a racist want to refer to a black person as a '******' or an Asian as a 'Chink'.

Do all black people refer to whites by racist terms? I think not; looks like a rather nasty strawman is being created here.

You say that whites commit a lot of violence against you,

Again its the strawman...'You say'. Who exactly is this 'You' and when did 'you' announce this?

so why are the ghettos the most dangerous places to live ?

Possibly because they are ghettos and thus pretty ****ty places to live in?

You have the United Negro College Fund.

Because blacks are unfairly economically disadvantaged.

You have Martin Luther King Day.

Sounds good to me, Martin Luther King was a great man, where is it written in the rules that its only for black people?

You have Black History Month.

Sounds good, and understandable seeing as what you might describe as 'white history' is the default version of history. I'm sure there are a lot of white people who could do with learning a little more about black history.

You have Cesar Chavez Day.

Another day thats only for one race of people? Cesar Chavez sounds like a pretty decent guy, campaigning for workers rights. In fact you might have liked him; he campaigned to stop employers exploting illegal imigrants.....no illegal jobs = no illegal imigrants.

If we had WET (White Entertainment Television) we'd be racists.

You do its called regular TV, and its run by white people.

If we had a White Pride Day, you would call us racists.

Why would whites need one? Perhaps to cheer ourselves up because of causing slavery or the holocaust? Imperialism? WWI? WWII etc?

If we had White History Month , we'd be racists.

See my comments above about black history, all the other 11 months are white history months.

If we had any organization for only whites to 'advance'
OUR lives we'd be racists.

So there are no organisations that help disadvantaged whites? Then again seeing as its middle aged white men who run your country (and mine) and dominate the world, it looks like whites are doing quite ok without much extra help.

We have a Hispanic Chamber of Commerce, a Black Chamber of Commerce, and then we just have the plain Chamber of Commerce.

Because the 'plain old chamber of commerce' is dominated and run by white people.

A white woman could not be in the Miss Black American pageant,
but any color can be in the Miss America pageant. If we had a college fund that only gave white students scholarships you know we'd be racists.

Wow now it gets to some really hardcore issues.:roll: :nope:

Poor old whites eh? Not happy with controlling most of the world economically, politically and culturally for several hundred years....they want their very own beauty pageant now! :damn:

There are over 60 openly proclaimed Black Colleges in the US . Yet if there were 'White colleges' THAT would be a racist college.

Because blacks are disadvantaged. I'm sure there are way more than 60 colleges that are dominated, run and filled by mostly whites.

In the Million Man March, you believed that you were marching for your race and rights. If we marched for our race and rights,
you would call us racists.

Why would whites need to march, they run the country.

You are proud to be black, brown, yellow and orange, and you're not afraid to announce it.
But when we announce our white pride, you call us racists.

Considering that the people who most like to announce their 'white pride' tend to be racists (KKK anyone? Neo Nazis?) its not surprising that it makes people suspicious.

You rob us, carjack us, and shoot at us...

So whites never commit any violent crime? Or maybe the author would be pleased if a white waved a gun at them just not a black? Of course a white man would never commit such a crime against a black person would they? :nope:

But , when a white police officer shoots a black gang member or
beats up a black drug-dealer running from the law and posing a
threat to society, you call him a racist.

So the white dominated police have never been known to include some racist elements?

More strawmen.

Why is it that only whites can be racists ?

No everbody can be a racist, black or white its not exclusive. We are all human beings and as such can be real a***holes at times.

Though you have to admit, the whiteman doesn't have a very good record when it comes to racism. :hmm:

Subman this really is flimsy rubbish. Its what I in the UK would call 'man in the pub philosophy' because its the kind of foolish nonsense that I hear idiots spouting down my local pub after they've had a few pints. :88) :doh:

[Happy Times]

MrBeast, do you understand how "racist" you are.

[mrbeast]

MrBeast, do you understand how "racist" you are.

Really? Maybe you could help me out with that?

[Happy Times]

You pass me on the street and sneer in my direction.
You Call me 'White boy,' 'Cracker,' 'Honkey,'
'Whitey,' 'Caveman' ... and that's OK.
But when I call you, ******, Kike, Towel head,
Sand-******, Camel Jockey, Beaner , Gook, or Chink ...
You call me a racist.

Why would any white other than a racist want to refer to a black person as a '******' or an Asian as a 'Chink'.

Do all black people refer to whites by racist terms? I think not; looks like a rather nasty strawman is being created here.

No they dont. But the point was that if you flip it around only the other side causes lawsuits.

You say that whites commit a lot of violence against you,

Again its the strawman...'You say'. Who exactly is this 'You' and when did 'you' announce this?

It a a fact that whites can be generalized freely as "racists".

so why are the ghettos the most dangerous places to live ?

Possibly because they are ghettos and thus pretty ****ty places to live in?

And it is the fault of the whites, right?

You have the United Negro College Fund.

Because blacks are unfairly economically disadvantaged.

So are many whites. Again you are defending special privledges with a generalization.

You have Martin Luther King Day.

Sounds good to me, Martin Luther King was a great man, where is it written in the rules that its only for black people?

Says you, he also had ideas that were racist and undemocratic.

You have Black History Month.

Sounds good, and understandable seeing as what you might describe as 'white history' is the default version of history. I'm sure there are a lot of white people who could do with learning a little more about black history.

There can be never enough history but there isnt black, white or purple history, there is history. Its a science, not an agenda.

You have Cesar Chavez Day.

Another day thats only for one race of people? Cesar Chavez sounds like a pretty decent guy, campaigning for workers rights. In fact you might have liked him; he campaigned to stop employers exploting illegal imigrants.....no illegal jobs = no illegal imigrants.


Nothing against the man, but was the day given because his merits or his cultural background, theres a difference.

If we had WET (White Entertainment Television) we'd be racists.

You do its called regular TV, and its run by white people.

Quite a racist generalization again. Minorities are quite well represented if you open the "white peoples" TV. You could even say more than their proportion to population.
Doesnt bother me tought, dont need a white TV.

If we had a White Pride Day, you would call us racists.

Why would whites need one? Perhaps to cheer ourselves up because of causing slavery or the holocaust? Imperialism? WWI? WWII etc?

Or the many good things white Europeans have done. To you we are only the source of all evil in the world. In eternal debt to all others, whose only role has been to play the victim. Your racism and hatred is of worrying strength.

If we had White History Month , we'd be racists.

See my comments above about black history, all the other 11 months are white history months.

See the above comment about what history is. The "white" history is the most empirical found on the planet.

If we had any organization for only whites to 'advance'
OUR lives we'd be racists.

So there are no organisations that help disadvantaged whites? Then again seeing as its middle aged white men who run your country (and mine) and dominate the world, it looks like whites are doing quite ok without much extra help.

No there arent, they are just organisations that help disadvantaged. Your wiew is that we give extra help for some special group of people. That is discrimination. Based on "race", its racism.

We have a Hispanic Chamber of Commerce, a Black Chamber of Commerce, and then we just have the plain Chamber of Commerce.

Because the 'plain old chamber of commerce' is dominated and run by white people.

Commerce is the last thing that is based on "race", its based on on ability.

A white woman could not be in the Miss Black American pageant,
but any color can be in the Miss America pageant. If we had a college fund that only gave white students scholarships you know we'd be racists.

Wow now it gets to some really hardcore issues.:roll: :nope:


Poor old whites eh? Not happy with controlling most of the world economically, politically and culturally for several hundred years....they want their very own beauty pageant now! :damn:

You just shrug of blatant racism, reveals your double stantards. Its disgusting.

There are over 60 openly proclaimed Black Colleges in the US . Yet if there were 'White colleges' THAT would be a racist college.

Because blacks are disadvantaged. I'm sure there are way more than 60 colleges that are dominated, run and filled by mostly whites.

Colleges should be based on merit and ability, colleges for financially disadvantaged i have no problem with.

In the Million Man March, you believed that you were marching for your race and rights. If we marched for our race and rights,
you would call us racists.

Why would whites need to march, they run the country.

Im not sure, if they cant even march freely.

You are proud to be black, brown, yellow and orange, and you're not afraid to announce it.
But when we announce our white pride, you call us racists.

Considering that the people who most like to announce their 'white pride' tend to be racists (KKK anyone? Neo Nazis?) its not surprising that it makes people suspicious.

Because people like youself label them as "racists".

You rob us, carjack us, and shoot at us...

So whites never commit any violent crime? Or maybe the author would be pleased if a white waved a gun at them just not a black? Of course a white man would never commit such a crime against a black person would they? :nope:

But , when a white police officer shoots a black gang member or
beats up a black drug-dealer running from the law and posing a
threat to society, you call him a racist.

So the white dominated police have never been known to include some racist elements?

More strawmen.

There are white and black criminals and police officers. There are cases of real racism and many cases of "racism" only used as an useful defence. This is especially true in US.

Why is it that only whites can be racists ?

No everbody can be a racist, black or white its not exclusive. We are all human beings and as such can be real a***holes at times.

Though you have to admit, the whiteman doesn't have a very good record when it comes to racism. :hmm:

First you admit the facts but end it with your racist bias.:doh:

Subman this really is flimsy rubbish. Its what I in the UK would call 'man in the pub philosophy' because its the kind of foolish nonsense that I hear idiots spouting down my local pub after they've had a few pints. :88) :doh:

Your rubbish is something you dont only hear in pubs, it is heard from schools to media and politicians. So much so that many people believe in it.
Its called propaganda.:up:

[SUBMAN1]

Need some popcorn here. Mr. Beast is getting owned (common, but its typically me doing it) and I don't have to do anything! :D :up:

-S

[OneToughHerring]

Some very true words in that piece.

-S
I agree......and in particular with the last line :yep:

I certainly don't consider myself a racist, but prefer to take the stance that everybody is treated equitably and with no more favour than another.
Oh I'm sure blacks, hispanics, native Americans, etc. would welcome the privileges that being white brings along with it. Tell me, how are you going to see that this will happen? I have to say I'm glad that there are people like you who want to promote equality on a global scale.

[SUBMAN1]

Oh I'm sure blacks, hispanics, native Americans, etc. would welcome the privileges that being white brings along with it. Tell me, how are you going to see that this will happen? I have to say I'm glad that there are people like you who want to promote equality on a global scale.
Hahahaha! They already enjoy more previlages than me, so how do you explain that? Try getting into University of Washington - unless you an illegal mexican, or black, you need a 4.0. Who has the more rights here? Being an illegal alien, you only need a 2.0. I want to take some more courses over there, so I am researching it right now, and I am not happy about it. This is not equal rights.

Try selling to the government. If you're black, you can double the price for the same product and the government has to choose you over me. How is that fair for me?

United Airlines hiring pilots - Only 7% of the applicants were black, yet they picked up 20% of the hire, yet black people still complained that this wasn't far enough. How is that fair?

need I go on?

I live in a world of special privileges. Not equal privileges. I have to work twice as hard to have half the chance they do.

Lets just put it straight - don't feed me anymore of your BS without you knowing what you are talking about.

-S

PS. And don't even start on me about Native Americans and their governments within our government. I'll concede to them though since they were here first.

[August]

Some very true words in that piece.

-S
I agree......and in particular with the last line :yep:

I certainly don't consider myself a racist, but prefer to take the stance that everybody is treated equitably and with no more favour than another.
Oh I'm sure blacks, hispanics, native Americans, etc. would welcome the privileges that being white brings along with it. Tell me, how are you going to see that this will happen? I have to say I'm glad that there are people like you who want to promote equality on a global scale.

Care to point out what some of these "privileges that being white" might be?

[nikimcbee]

Some very true words in that piece.

-S
I agree......and in particular with the last line :yep:

I certainly don't consider myself a racist, but prefer to take the stance that everybody is treated equitably and with no more favour than another.
Oh I'm sure blacks, hispanics, native Americans, etc. would welcome the privileges that being white brings along with it. Tell me, how are you going to see that this will happen? I have to say I'm glad that there are people like you who want to promote equality on a global scale.

Care to point out what some of these "privileges that being white" might be?

I'm a mutt, do I get anything? I'm sick of the race baiting, on both sides.:roll: All of the race baiters can't afford racism to go away, they have too much power to lose. Fear the industrial-racebaiting complex. I think as long as people are different, there will always be jealousy of on another. There will always be some sort of -ism.:roll: But this PCness is going to be the death of us all.

[SUBMAN1]

I'm a mutt, do I get anything? I'm sick of the race baiting, on both sides.:roll: All of the race baiters can't afford racism to go away, they have too much power to lose. Fear the industrial-racebaiting complex. I think as long as people are different, there will always be jealousy of on another. There will always be some sort of -ism.:roll: But this PCness is going to be the death of us all.

We are all mutts man. Just that some people take their mutthood to new levels.

-S

[Jimbuna]

Some very true words in that piece.

-S
I agree......and in particular with the last line :yep:

I certainly don't consider myself a racist, but prefer to take the stance that everybody is treated equitably and with no more favour than another.
Oh I'm sure blacks, hispanics, native Americans, etc. would welcome the privileges that being white brings along with it. Tell me, how are you going to see that this will happen? I have to say I'm glad that there are people like you who want to promote equality on a global scale.

Nice try, but no cigar I'm afraid.

Look up the word equitable then the meanings mutual tolerance and understanding.

You could also try the words caring and compassion.

How am I going to see that this will happen?

I didn't realise it was my sole responsibility.

I will assure you of one thing though...as a British Police Officer I always endevour to practice what I preach.

You might want to look up the internet meaning of baiting whilst your searching for the other meanings.

[mrbeast]

No they dont. But the point was that if you flip it around only the other side causes lawsuits.

So anti-white rascism is totally ignored in the US?

It a a fact that whites can be generalized freely as "racists".

No its is not a fact its and assumption on your part. Its a foolish generalisation, as foolish as the rather nasty generalistaions that the piece in question infers about racial minorities.

And it is the fault of the whites, right?

Historically speaking, yes it is. Its the result of the marginalisation of racial minorities by past generations. People brought up in poor ghettos tend to perpetuate that way of life and mentality; not to mention being victims of contiuing prejudice within society or institutionalised barriers to the betterment of racial minorities.

The inferred point about ghettos in the original piece is this: That ghettos are violent places not because of economic or social factors but because black or other racial minorities are morally inferior and socially inferior.

Kind of shows where the author is coming from doesn't it.

Its not neccesarily what the piece says in its lines that I take exception to, its more what the author wants the reader to see between them.

So are many whites. Again you are defending special privledges with a generalization.

Indeed there are many whites who are but are you suggesting that underprivileged whites have no organisations which they can appeal to?

What reasons can you think of that would make blacks unfairly economically disadvantaged? The stats bear out this fact BTW, black median incomes are lower than white.


Says you, he also had ideas that were racist and undemocratic.

Such as? At the moment I could make the same, 'says you' charge.

There can be never enough history but there isnt black, white or purple history, there is history. Its a science, not an agenda.

So the history of blacks in the USA or anywhere else could not be described as 'black history'? Your being pedantic about symatics here.

The broad point is that the history of a significant part of the population has been ignored or skimmed over or viewed only through a single point of view and 'black history' month is a means of redressing the balance.

Quite a racist generalization again.

Its not racist, yes its a generalisation, and its a fact.

Minorities are quite well represented if you open the "white peoples" TV. You could even say more than their proportion to population.
Doesnt bother me tought, dont need a white TV.

I didn't call it the 'white peoples' TV, those are your words. Just because you see non white faces on the TV doesn't neccesarily make any less white dominated, ethnic minorites are often shown from a white point of view or shown in an acceptable format that doesn't ruffle white sensibilities.

My point is that mainstream TV is mainly run by whites, for largely white audiences.

Or the many good things white Europeans have done. To you we are only the source of all evil in the world. In eternal debt to all others, whose only role has been to play the victim. Your racism and hatred is of worrying strength.

You have to take the rough with the smooth I'm afraid.

White Europeans aren't evil, they are just flawed as all humans have been in the past, are now and will be in the future, no racial group of humans is inherently superior to any other and whites only owe our position as sometime exploiters largely due to luck; that our civilisation attained a higher degree of sophistication before others and our geographical position, among other factors allowed us to utilise this sophistication to our own benefit.

But this doesn't detract from the fact that whites have been a pretty malign influence on many parts of the globe. We can't change history and eternal debt is a nonsense concept, but maybe we could conduct ourselves with a little more consideration in future.

Its intersting that you mention 'playing the victim', because thats exactly what the original piece is about, white guy as victim, when the evidence seems to suggest that on the whole hes the victor; before and now.

I'm not filled with hatred or racism at all and maybe if you could keep personal mud slinging to a minimum and stick to discussing the points. ;)

See the above comment about what history is. The "white" history is the most empirical found on the planet.

I did see your above comment, but now apparently history does have a colour, maybe you could decide if it does or it doesn't; though what you mean by your statement that 'white history is the most empirical...' I don't know.

No there arent, they are just organisations that help disadvantaged.

Therefore helping disadvantaged whites?

Your wiew is that we give extra help for some special group of people.

Well we do give help for special groups of people. For example we give help to the disabled, or is that discrimination against the ablebodied?

That is discrimination. Based on "race", its racism.

Its a measure taken to prevent greater descrimination that would result otherwise, it deals in equitable outcomes and complex equality. Its not an ideal solution but its a practical one. If all things were equal it wouldn't be needed, but things aren't equal. One day hopefully it won't be needed as a measure.

Commerce is the last thing that is based on "race", its based on on ability.

Commerce is a construct of humans and therefore is not immune from prejudice, just as anything else in society.

You just shrug of blatant racism, reveals your double stantards. Its disgusting.

Keep slinging that mud! ;)

Colleges should be based on merit and ability, colleges for financially disadvantaged i have no problem with.

In a perfect world they would, think you might find a lot of the economically disadvantaged would be from racial minorities.

Im not sure, if they cant even march freely.

Pretty sure whites can march if they wish. :yep:

First you admit the facts but end it with your racist bias.:doh:

Even more mud slinging! You know it doesn't help your argument much. :nope:

Not racist bias at all, I simply aserted that whites don't have a pretty good record where racism is concerned, or maybe you missed about 500 years of world history?

Your rubbish is something you dont only hear in pubs, it is heard from schools to media and politicians. So much so that many people believe in it.
Its called propaganda.:up:

Must be a conspiracy eh? :nope: :roll:

[EDIT: BTW Subman, I like the way you let someone else retort for you, actually, probably a good idea]