I just got SH4 from a budget bin n don't know what to expect

[Silver_Silence]

I just got a copy of SH4 gold edition from bargain bin and don't know what to expect. I know it's photo realistic compare to SH3 but players seem to favor SH3. Just when you want to move this thread to SH4, look I am not done with SH3 just yet heh. SH3 is great game. I figure the SH4 u-boat mission is SH3 with a graphic upgrade? Anyway I am install it right now just to make sure it can run on my laptop.

[GoldenRivet]

until GWX4 comes out you would do well to put it back in the bargain bin. :lol:

[Silver_Silence]

So why do people like SH3 over SH4? SH4 is supposed to be newer and thus better.

[kylania]

Graphically it's "better" by far. Crew Management it's better (kind of, I liked having to pick crew well in SH3, just not having to drag them all around every few minutes). Map tools it's better. UI it's slightly better.

But for me, the gameplay of SH3 is far better at this point. I'm not entirely sure why, but even with lesser graphics and a few missing features I enjoy SH3 more slightly. I think GWX is probably a lot of that though. And the fact that I enjoy the Uboat war more than the US sub war.

One small that that I can't seem to get to work right with SH4 is opening tubes. In SH3 I was always able to switch to the interior view, head to the weapons guy and actually flip the torpedo tube doors open from there. That was really cool. :) Can't seem to do that in SH4. Gameplay wise I can, but not in the new super duper 3D interior. *shrug*

Maybe when a fully supported Atlantic campaign with type VII boats comes out I'll be truely happy with SH4, but as it is now, not so much. :)

[bookworm_020]

SH3 is liked more due to it being more mature in having more mods and bigger upgrades for realism (There are plenty for SH4 as well, but it hasn't been around for as long to have the history of mods)

Sh4 is a great game and does beat SH3 in graphics and other realistic features, but It's hard to leave SH3 alone!

You should be able to play SH4 if your computer meets the basic specs required for the game, and you can scale the effects so it won't slow the game down too much (look in the Sh4 forum for tips to improve performance)

SH4 is well worth the effort and a great partner to SH3.:up:

[OuNiS]

So why do people like SH3 over SH4? SH4 is supposed to be newer and thus better.

Sometimes "newer" doesn't mean "better".

[nirwana]

The major differences regarding gameplay for me:


In sh3 the royal navy is able to counter the subs over time and finally develops superior hardware and tactics to neutralise them completely. I like to be the underdog in this confrontation and dont mind to herass mostly merchants.
In sh4 the japanese ignore the threat by subs and therefore never improved their defence against them like the british. I can sink multiple carriers in 1 taskforce without even being detected at any time of the war. TMO and RFB shift it into the right direction to a certain degree but cant ignore historic facts.If u like to smash big stuff and dont mind to have the edge over the japanese at any time sh4 is ure choice. If u like challenges and love to think about the right tactic how to attack the next convoy 24/7 in RL sh3 is preferable.

[Myxale]

So why do people like SH3 over SH4? SH4 is supposed to be newer and thus better.
Sometimes "newer" doesn't mean "better".

:up:

[Jimbuna]

SH3 is over 3 years old now and has had a great deal of modding work done to it.

SH4 is by far the newer/more modern engine and I believe we will see greater leaps and bounds over the next 3 years.

[OuNiS]

SH3 is over 3 years old now and has had a great deal of modding work done to it.



I think in this case we can talk about absolute new product based on original SH3.

[Sailor Steve]

One of the things that might get missed is the interface. SH3 was the first subsim to have crew management, and while the management in SH4 is easier and more realistic, what with the rotating watch bills and all, the silly officer icons in SH3 just seem more personal, like you're communicating with your officers instead of just clicking on buttons. I also find the devolving buttons in SH4 to be slightly annoying, in that you can be operating the buttons from one station while you're actually still at another, and if you forget that it won't necessarily cause trouble but can still leave you confused.

I keep saying I'm waiting for more development before I'll play u-boats in SH4, but the simple fact is I like SH3's way of doing things better. I've heard that SH4 grows on you, but it's definitely going to take time.

[Pisces]

Somehow my ego is pleased more when I hear "Jawohl!, Herr Kaleun", as opposed to something like a boring "Yes, Sir!!" ;)

[Sailor Steve]

Oh, no, don't get me started on that one. Oops, too late!:rotfl:

I killed that part as soon as I found out how. For most orders I didn't mind it, but after installing DBSM I found it most annoying to have the Chief calmly say "Jawohl!, Herr Kaleun", and then start screaming "Alaaaarm!"

SH4 is even worse. The OOD looks at you and says "Yes, Sir.", then repeats the order to a sailor who then also says "Yes, Sir." I really miss SH1 and even Destroyer Command; with both of those you would give an order and the response would be "All Ahead Full, Aye Sir!"

Like the man says, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it!":sunny:

[Flamingboat]

Honestly I love them both. I just couldn't pick a favorite. I do like the graphics on SH4 as I am a graphics whore. To get the full enjoyment out of SH4 you need a beefy system.

[XLjedi]

So why do people like SH3 over SH4? SH4 is supposed to be newer and thus better.

The user interface is just heaps better... :yep:

It's truly sad what they did (or neglected?) in SH4. :nope:
Graphics just can't overcome a poor user interface.

[Flamingboat]

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Graphics just can't overcome a poor user interface.[/quote]

Hey, we are talking about SH3 and SH4, NOT women. :lol:

[ReallyDedPoet]

If you have not done so already, you may want to read some of the threads ( new and old ) over in SH4, and if you have
further questions post in those forums as well.


RDP

[XLjedi]

Hey, we are talking about SH3 and SH4, NOT women. :lol:

:huh: :rotfl:

[Platapus]

I am a big fan of manual targeting. To me it adds so much to the game.

However I find manual targeting so much more difficult in SH4 than in SH3. The concepts are similar though but the arrangement of the controls I find inconvenient. It seems to take more clicking and mouse movement to manually target in SH4 than in SH3.

I have tried to "get used to it" and it has gotten less irritating. But by far manual targeting is mechanically easier in SH3 than in SH4.

Sigh SH4 in the bargain bin. I remember scouring all the stores trying to find a copy when it first came out (let's not talk about the Amazon experience)

[XLjedi]

I am a big fan of manual targeting. To me it adds so much to the game.

However I find manual targeting so much more difficult in SH4 than in SH3. The concepts are similar though but the arrangement of the controls I find inconvenient. It seems to take more clicking and mouse movement to manually target in SH4 than in SH3.

I have tried to "get used to it" and it has gotten less irritating. But by far manual targeting is mechanically easier in SH3 than in SH4.

Yeah, that's my main gripe. :shifty:

No easy access to the PK/TDC controls... and having to bounce between the attack map and the scope is utterly ridiculous. I really hate that scope input gadget they forced on us. Why no clean and simple dials on the attack map like SH3? :doh:
(did they at least add that back for the U-Boat missions addon?)

RockinRobbins probably has 90% of the SH4 community ignoring the PK completely now and treating the Gato like it's stuck in a WWI timewarp. Why? cuz the stupid PK/TDC interface is so dang clunky it can hardly be used. I have to apologize to the memory of O'Kane for ever suggesting his name be associated with such a blunt technique.

Ah well... :nope:

[ronnybengt]

hello 4 my 2 pence worth..I ca nt see how a subsim can get any better than sh3 gwx...my jaw keeps hitting the floor playing it....:rock:
had to learn trig all over...hehe

R

[Silver_Silence]

I run it on my laptop, and I find that it is quite hardware demanding, but I can still play it if I scale down on the resolution. It still look really good. Yes...the water surface - I heard people complained about it before. It looks like oil painting - it s a matter of style. Regardless - I am impressed with the graphics. And why is there fisherman in red tie on a fishing boat? heh fisherman doesn't wear tie! LOL When I shoot at them with my deck gun, they all duck in fear! Very animated.

The opening movie is way cool. SH3 has a very cinemic intro movie. But SH4 actually feel like some kind of psychological thriller. A guy reciting a peom in old English. Can't quite figure out what he was saying, but the whole movie is just way cool.

I think American submarine must be much bigger than german U-boat. When I stand on the bridge of the US sub during training, it just feel big. Any U-boat that I have been to, the watchmen are standing butt to butt. In US sub, they actually manage to fit a desk at the middle of the command room. I think these sub are huge compare to U-boat.

I am a little disappointed when it come to the first persion perspective interface. You know a lot of us want the new subsim allow to walk around the sub in FP view? SH4 is one step backward. I can't even click to my station and play with the control in SH4 I can access the controls via hot key or icon. Now I really feel like I am in a simulation with autotron being my shipmates. It is less alive than SH3

Now it is time to get back to SH3 heh.