Large Hadron Collider scientists receiving death threats

[SUBMAN1]

Nice. People are just stupid sometimes.

-S

Geneva (Switzerland) – The Large Hadron Collider is just a few days from being switched on, but the scientists in charge of the 17-mile long super collider are already getting impassioned pleas to stop their work, some of the scientists have even received death threats. According to a Telegraph UK article, CERN, the organization that is in charge of the LHC, has been inundated with emails and calls from concerned citizens, part-time scientists and others. James Gillies, CERN’s public relations spokesperson, says many of the people want to delay or stop next week’s test, but there’s no chance of that happening....

Read on here - http://www.tgdaily.com/html_tmp/content-view-39210-117.html

[Frederf]

Is this about the micro black holes thing? People have got to use sense in that a black hole is only as powerful as the amount of matter in it.

[geetrue]

Knowledge can overcome fear, unless the knowledge is tainted that is.

[Digital_Trucker]

Yep, no world destruction gonna happen here. On the other hand, we thought the atom bomb was "safe", too, at one point in time, didn't we? We (human beings) never know when our next great idea is going to be the end of us.

[Blacklight]

Knowledge can overcome fear

The problem comes when trying to EXPLAIN the knowledge to people who in no way shape and form can possibly UNDERSTAND the knowlede or refuse to put in the brainpower to understand it which unfortunately is a vast majority of people. :nope:

People have to get it through their skulls... this thing works on such a small scale that it IN NO WAY threatens the planet. Yeah.. the energy it produces is massive.. but it's still not even a FRACTION of the energy that would be needed to wipe out this planet in the way they're claiming it would.

[Diopos]

I consider myself to be a tolerant person, more so when it comes to people's convictions political, religious or whatever...
BUT
I'M GETTING FED UP WITH ALL THESE MEDIEVAL-DOOMSDAY-CONSPIRACY-PARANORMAL-APOCALYPTIC-I_KNOW_WHAT_GOD_WANTS_OF_YOU-ILLUMINATI-fanatics, individuals, groups or even whole nations.
I'm going into a kamikaze mode here!.:damn:
I HOPE THEY'RE RIGHT!!!!
I HOPE THE WHOLE PLANET VANISHES WHEN THEY PUSH THE START BUTTON!!!!
I'M CERTAIN THAT THE INSTANT EXTINCTION OF AN INFINITE STUPIDITY NODE WILL BE (SOMEHOW) BENEFITIAL TO THE WHOLE OF THE UNIVERSE!

[Syxx_Killer]

They spent billions of dollars to try and create a tiny black hole?

[Letum]

They spent billions of dollars to try and create a tiny black hole?
No.
No black holes are not going to be made. Even if one was, it is doubtful that it would be
stable for any length of time without far more mass/energy than the earth can
provide, let alone the LHC.

They spent billions of dollars to try to find out if they can make a Higgs particle and
on the off chance that we can discover something more about "dark matter".

Higgs:
In short, we have guessed that there is a "Higgs field" in the universe because it
fits our equations well. However, we can not detect it, so we have no empirical
evidence for it.
Instead of detecting the Field, we hope to prove the fields existence by detecting
it's particle as all fields have a particle. The Higgs particle must be made as they
disappear very, very quickly in nature. To make a particle all you need is a lot of
concentrated energy. The LHC achieves this by smashing atoms into each other
very fast. The resulting energy creates many types of sub-atomic particles.
Hopefully a Higgs particle will be created if they exist. If we detect the traces left
behind by a newly created Higgs particle as it breaks up we will know that our
current theoretical understanding has not been disproved.

Dark Matter:
We have indirectly observed dark matter quite clearly. We are quite sure it
exists. However, it eludes direct detection. We have several ideas about what
kind of particle(s) make up dark matter and how those particles interact with
more well known particles. The LHC might provide some data about dark matter.
Most likely indirectly via unexplained loss of energy or mass in the collisions.

The above is a very, very brief overview and there are lots more things that the
LHC might suprise us with, but it will be several years yet before we know.

[mrbeast]

Knowledge can overcome fear, unless the knowledge is tainted that is.

I'm curious what do you mean by 'tainted'?

[Raptor1]

I've had it just about up to....here....with the doom-sayers as well, most of them are just idiots that read it up somewhere and think they know what they're talking about

[SUBMAN1]

I disagree. I give it a 100% chance of a black hole generated and one that can be sustained as long as needed after they figure out the process. It will be a magnetically suspended black hole however so no real need to worry (as long as it doesn't suck something up! :p). This is cool science in my book.

-S

[Letum]

I disagree. I give it a 100% chance of a black hole generated and one that can be sustained as long as needed after they figure out the process. It will be a magnetically suspended black hole however so no real need to worry (as long as it doesn't suck something up! :p). This is cool science in my book.

-S

:hmm:

Care to put a bet on that?
Say....£10 to the charity of the winner's choice.
If there are no blackholes after 3 years I win.
One or more BH and you win?

If your sure that you are 100% sure. ;)

[SUBMAN1]

I disagree. I give it a 100% chance of a black hole generated and one that can be sustained as long as needed after they figure out the process. It will be a magnetically suspended black hole however so no real need to worry (as long as it doesn't suck something up! :p). This is cool science in my book.

-S

:hmm:

Care to put a bet on that?
Say....£10 to the charity of the winner's choice if there are no blackholes after 3 years?

If your sure that you are 100% sure. ;)Give them 4 years and you are on. I'm not sure they will know exactly what they are looking at for some time. They will just record massively more energy than they expect and not be able to pinpoint the source at first. At some point, I expect them to capture the black hole and hold it magnetically and indefinitely until the field is shut off.

At that point, you now have control of time though you will need some additional technologies being developed in the USA to go along with.

-S

[Letum]

4 year is is, from today. Your on. ;)


A little off-topic, but you can not "magnetically suspended" a black hole as, like
light and all other forces with >0 mass force carriers (i.e. the hypothetical graviton),
the electromagnetic force is unable to escape it's own event horizon.

Both light and magnetism are both transmitted by the same type of photons in the
standard model. Neither can be transmitted inside the event horizon.

[SUBMAN1]

4 year is is, from today. Your on. ;)...From start up! :p

[Letum]

4 year is is, from today. Your on. ;)...From start up! :p
Very well.

*sets stop watch*

[SUBMAN1]

4 year is is, from today. Your on. ;)


A little off-topic, but you can not "magnetically suspended" a black hole as, like
light and all other forces with >0 mass force carriers (i.e. the hypothetical graviton),
the electromagnetic force is unable to escape it's own event horizon.

Both light and magnetism are both transmitted by the same type of photons in the
standard model. Neither can be transmitted inside the event horizon.Yes you can 'suspend' a black hole magnetically. Not inside like you say, but around it, yes. With little or no mass, the black hole will not be able to suck it in.

-S

[Skybird]

Maybe it is time to watch "Event Horizon" again. Little evil, pretty nasty SciFi-shocker movie, underestimated by quite some people.

[STEED]

Maybe it is time to watch "Event Horizon" again. Little evil, pretty nasty SciFi-shocker movie, underestimated by quite some people.

That was one sick movie. :yep:

Idea was interesting but went right over the top. And on top of that, my ear drums were blasted by the outrageous loud sound by the cinema.

[Letum]

4 year is is, from today. Your on. ;)


A little off-topic, but you can not "magnetically suspended" a black hole as, like
light and all other forces with >0 mass force carriers (i.e. the hypothetical graviton),
the electromagnetic force is unable to escape it's own event horizon.

Both light and magnetism are both transmitted by the same type of photons in the
standard model. Neither can be transmitted inside the event horizon.Yes you can 'suspend' a black hole magnetically. Not inside like you say, but around it, yes. With little or no mass, the black hole will not be able to suck it in.

-S


What is your magnetic field interacting with if it is not interacting with anything
inside the black hole?

There is always an event horizon for photons (including those carrying magnetic
information), what ever the mass of the singularity. In this case you can not
interact with the BH with any >0 mass force carrier. To put in plainly: you can
neither attract or repel the BH because neither positive, nor negative magnetic
information can escape the event horizon as the photons transmitting the
magnetic information away from the BH have a >0 mass (err...effective mass,
rather than rest mass).

[SUBMAN1]

What is your magnetic field interacting with if it is not interacting with anything
inside the black hole?

There is always an event horizon for photons (including those carrying magnetic
information), what ever the mass of the singularity. In this case you can not
interact with the BH with any >0 mass force carrier. To put in plainly: you can
neither attract or repel the BH because neither positive, nor negative magnetic
information can escape the event horizon as the photons transmitting the
magnetic information away from the BH have a >0 mass (err...effective mass,
rather than rest mass).I'm looking for the theory on it that I read once before. I have forgoten the details however. Should explain it better and is the only way to control the black hole itself. I hear what you are saying though and it makes sense, but there is more to it than that.

Like its attracted to all sides around it at once, so it settles in the center. Hence becomes magnetically suspended. Magnetic field stays outside its event horizon.

-S

[SUBMAN1]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXzugu39pKM

Neat!

-S

[Rhodes]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXzugu39pKM

Neat!

-S

I liked this one more:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozjq80IF9dg&feature=related

Good old Nostry, never fails one...