How to be a good Democrat

[SUBMAN1]

How to be a good Democrat



1. You have to believe the AIDS virus is spread by a lack of federal funding.

2. You have to believe that the same teacher who can't teach 4th graders how to read is somehow qualified to teach those same kids about sex.

3. You have to believe that guns in the hands of law-abiding Americansare more of a threat, than US nuclear weapons technology, in the hands of Chinese communists.

4. You have to believe that there was no art before Federal funding.

5. You have to believe that global temperatures are less affected by cyclical, documented changes in the earth's climate, and more affected by yuppies driving SUVs.

7. You have to be against capital punishment but support abortion on demand.

8. You have to believe that businesses create oppression and governments create prosperity.

9. You have to believe that hunters don't care about nature, but loony activists who've never been outside of Seattle do.

10. You have to believe that self-esteem is more important than actually doing something to earn it.

11. You have to believe the military, not corrupt politicians, start wars.

12. You have to believe the NRA is bad, because it supports certain parts of the Constitution, while the ACLU is good because it supports certain parts of the Constitution.

13. You have to believe that taxes are too low, but ATM fees are too high.

14. You have to believe that Margaret Sanger and Gloria Steinmen are more important to American history than Thomas Jefferson, General Robert E. Lee or Thomas Edison.

15. You have to believe that standardized tests are racist, but racial quotas and set-asides aren't.

16. You have to believe Hillary Clinton is really a lady.

17. You have to believe that the only reason socialism hasn't worked anywhere it's been tried, is because the right people haven't been in charge.

18. You have to believe conservatives telling the truth belong in jail, but a liar and sex offender belongs in the White House.

19. You have to believe that transvestites and bestiality should be constitutionally protected and manger scenes at Christmas should be illegal.

20. You have to believe that illegal Democratic Party funding by the Chinese is somehow in the best interest of the United States.

21. You have to believe that this letter is part of a vast right wing conspiracy.

[Enigma]

How to be a good Republican:

Be delusional, and enough of a sucker to believe this load of bollocks. :rotfl:

[SUBMAN1]

How to be a good Republican:

Be delusional, and enough of a sucker to believe this load of bollocks. :rotfl:See #21

[Sea Demon]

How to be a good Democrat



:rotfl:Good list. And how absolutely true.

[Enigma]

See #21

Saw it. That's what's known as self justification. A hallmark of Republican politics. :know:

[Tchocky]

Has about the same amount of bullsh*t as a Republican-titled alternative.

I wonder how many people believe this stuff as opposed to laughing at/with it.

[SUBMAN1]

Has about the same amount of bullsh*t as a Republican-titled alternative.

I wonder how many people believe this stuff as opposed to laughing at/with it.Try to pick it apart and we shall see! :rotfl:You might have a hard time.

-S

[UnderseaLcpl]

How to be a good Libertarian


1. You have to believe whatever the hell you want.

2. You have to believe that any consequences stemming from (1) are your problem

3. You have to believe that Government can protect your rights to (1) and (2) most of the time

4. You have to believe that we can win an election with beliefs like this.

[SUBMAN1]

There's one obvious sign that it's been written by a republican. Democrats don't "believe", they think :know:When? :D They are told what to do and they do it. They are told what to think and they think it. Maybe they think within the bounds they are given and that's it. :yep:

-S

[SUBMAN1]

Here is the democrats idea of how to control a population:

"THE SMART WAY TO KEEP PEOPLE PASSIVE AND OBEDIENT IS TO STRICTLY LIMIT THE SPECTRUM OF ACCEPTABLE OPINION, BUT ALLOW VERY LIVELY DEBATE WITHIN THAT SPECTRUM."

-S

[Enigma]

Did you get this in a spam email and now you are arguing its authenticity and accuracy? :rotfl:

Honestly Sub, I love you, man. You provide me with hours of entertainment. :rotfl:

[Sea Demon]

There's one obvious sign that it's been written by a republican. Democrats don't "believe", they think :know:

No. Democrats don't think. They feel. And they have intentions which they feel are "good" in their minds, but their policy inititatives usually result in the opposite for what they "intend" for. In that way, they are completely destructive.

[Enigma]

I do have to know: You guys (sub, Demon) make alot of these blanket statements. Do you guys really believe all of this stuff applies to anyone registered as a Democrat? What about a guy like me, registered independent, who obviously disagrees with you guys on almost everything?

[SUBMAN1]

There's one obvious sign that it's been written by a republican. Democrats don't "believe", they think :know:
No. Democrats don't think. They feel. And they have intentions which they feel are "good" in their minds, but their policy inititatives usually result in the opposite for what they "intend" for. In that way, they are completely destructive.Like children. They do what feels good. That explains everything! :D :p :rotfl:

-S

[Sea Demon]

I do have to know: You guys (sub, Demon) make alot of these blanket statements. Do you guys really believe all of this stuff applies to anyone registered as a Democrat? What about a guy like me, registered independent, who obviously disagrees with you guys on almost everything?

For being such an "Independant" kinda guy, you sure do like to shill for Democrats. :yep: You can call yourself anything you'd like.

[Kraut]

Subman is subsim's #1 spammer.

[Blacklight]

That's not how to be a good Democrat ! It's how to be a good HIPPY retitled !!! Shame on you Subman1 for changing the title on us ! :nope:

[Enigma]

For being such an "Independant" kinda guy, you sure do like to shill for Democrats. :yep: You can call yourself anything you'd like.

Way to completely avoid the question.

Between Dems and Repubs these days, it's a no brainer for me. Doesn't mean I love the Dems, (and I'd love to see where I spend so much time talking up democratic party memebers) just means I think the Repubs are wrong on just about every issue I care about.

Interesting, though. Kind of answers my question. You guys do live in black and white world. There are no good dems. Only good Repubs. Hmm. Imagine that....

[Blacklight]

Kraut: Subman is subsim's #1 spammer.

I dunno... Subman and Skybird are pretty neck and neck. Imagine if those two had a spam-off ? :D

[SS107.9MHz]

Kraut: Subman is subsim's #1 spammer.
I dunno... Subman and Skybird are pretty neck and neck. Imagine if those two had a spam-off ? :D
Real life American Dads:lol:

[SUBMAN1]

I dunno... Subman and Skybird are pretty neck and neck. Imagine if those two had a spam-off ? :DAlready happened. I won. SB was so upset about it, he blocked me permanently for the 3rd time after not being able to return logic for logic. Hahahaha! :lol: :rotfl: This was after of course he threatened to stab me with his Samurai sword.


This thread needs some life. Let's add some campaign posters here!

http://members.cox.net/melc29/NObama.jpg

http://members.cox.net/melc29/9.jpg

-S

[Sailor Steve]

Very funny list. Equally as funny is the one from the other side posted by Enigma.

If you think either one is funny because it points to certain stereotypes that have some basis in truth but not actually that much, then you understand that all humor is based on exaggeration.

If, on the other hand, you think either one is funny because it's absolutely true but the other is a pack of slanderous lies then you are more than a little limited in your thinking.

[Sailor Steve]

...after not being able to return logic for logic. Hahahaha! :lol:
Actually he blocked you after he got tired of you posting opinion and innuendo and calling it logic.

[SUBMAN1]

Very funny list. Equally as funny is the one from the other side posted by Enigma.

If you think either one is funny because it points to certain stereotypes that have some basis in truth but not actually that much, then you understand that all humor is based on exaggeration.

If, on the other hand, you think either one is funny because it's absolutely true but the other is a pack of slanderous lies then you are more than a little limited in your thinking.

They are both funny! :D I am just a little busy today to take the normal number of posts as I normally would. Been hours since I last logged on. Must leave again.

-S

[SUBMAN1]

Actually he blocked you after he got tired of you posting opinion and innuendo and calling it logic.Show my an opinion in that grouping. I used links.

-S

[Sea Demon]

SB was so upset about it, he blocked me permanently for the 3rd time after not being able to return logic for logic. Hahahaha!


I'm on the infamous Sh*tlist as well. Gotta laugh how SB thinks it's actually any kind of punishment. Talk about inflated self-importance. :lol: SB got his undies in a knot at me because I wouldn't allow his wacky pro-Russian/anti-West propaganda without challenge. He couldn't handle it when I had the audacity to express the notion that the Russians are not an invincible entity that everyone is dependant on, and the West/NATO is not exactly a weakling with nothing to offer. How dare I. :88)

Anyway.....I like the posters.

[Sailor Steve]

:rotfl:

When we had that 'other' debate you repeatedly posted links to someone else's opinions, and then got upset when I ignored your 'facts'. Is this one different?

[Sea Demon]

:rotfl:

When we had that 'other' debate you repeatedly posted links to someone else's opinions, and then got upset when I ignored your 'facts'. Is this one different?
If you're referring to me, I didn't get upset at you on that other debate. I recognized our disagreement, and still was able to disagree with you cordially. I even said I respected where you came from. I also expressed admiration for your Constitutional knowledge and upmost regard for liberty. And I didn't have to place you on ignore. ;) Nor do I ever feel the need to place anybody on ignore, even for disagreeing with me. Yes. There is a world of difference.

And no, I used my own opinions there.

[Sailor Steve]

Bad timing on the cross-posting. I was answering the one above yours.
:rotfl:

[Neptunus Rex]

22. You have to believe that there is no such thing as personal responsibility.

23. You don't believe in personnal accountability (unless it's the fault of a conservative.)

[Enigma]

22. You have to believe that there is no such thing as personal responsibility.

23. You don't believe in personnal accountability (unless it's the fault of a conservative.)

A nice addition of rot to an already rot filled list. :rotfl:

Ya'll are so funny....

[Enigma]

Quote:
For being such an "Independant" kinda guy, you sure do like to shill for Democrats. :yep: You can call yourself anything you'd like.

Way to completely avoid the question.

Between Dems and Repubs these days, it's a no brainer for me. Doesn't mean I love the Dems, (and I'd love to see where I spend so much time talking up democratic party memebers) just means I think the Repubs are wrong on just about every issue I care about.

Interesting, though. Kind of answers my question. You guys do live in black and white world. There are no good dems. Only good Repubs. Hmm. Imagine that....

Tick tick. Tick tick.

[Neptunus Rex]

22. You have to believe that there is no such thing as personal responsibility.

23. You don't believe in personnal accountability (unless it's the fault of a conservative.)

A nice addition of rot to an already rot filled list. :rotfl:

Ya'll are so funny....

You're almost as combative as Skybird.;)

[Kraut]

Very funny list. Equally as funny is the one from the other side posted by Enigma.

If you think either one is funny because it points to certain stereotypes that have some basis in truth but not actually that much, then you understand that all humor is based on exaggeration.

If, on the other hand, you think either one is funny because it's absolutely true but the other is a pack of slanderous lies then you are more than a little limited in your thinking.
They are both funny! :D I am just a little busy today to take the normal number of posts as I normally would. Been hours since I last logged on. Must leave again.

-S
Yeah, it's a shame that at the moment you can't spam the subsim forum with more anti-democrat posts.

[Enigma]

You're almost as combative as Skybird.;)

My apologies, no idea what that means mate.

[Sea Demon]

22. You have to believe that there is no such thing as personal responsibility.

23. You don't believe in personnal accountability (unless it's the fault of a conservative.)

A nice addition of rot to an already rot filled list. :rotfl:

Ya'll are so funny....

You're almost as combative as Skybird.;)

Maybe he can just resort to the SB method of putting everyone on ignore. Another typical way to avoid debate for those with left leaning/anti-Western tendencies.

Oh don't forget,

25. Money is not earned, but is confiscated by the government to be distributed equally.

26. #25 is to be called "fairness". If you disagree you may be guilty of a "hate crime" against the poor and people of color.

[Neptunus Rex]

You're almost as combative as Skybird.;)

My apologies, no idea what that means mate.

It's meant to be a compliment, of course.:rotfl:

[baggygreen]

whats this about the dems getting funds from the chinese??

I've never heard anything like that before??

[1480]

whats this about the dems getting funds from the chinese??

I've never heard anything like that before??

Google Bill Clinton and China and campaign.

or here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1996_United_States_campaign_finance_controversy

[nikimcbee]

Kraut: Subman is subsim's #1 spammer.

I dunno... Subman and Skybird are pretty neck and neck. Imagine if those two had a spam-off ? :D

That would be very popular in hawaii.:up:

It must be getting close to November:roll: .

[Sea Demon]

Kraut: Subman is subsim's #1 spammer.

I dunno... Subman and Skybird are pretty neck and neck. Imagine if those two had a spam-off ? :D

That would be very popular in hawaii.:up:

It must be getting close to November:roll: .

Oh yeah. Spam, white rice, fried shrimp, and macaroni salad. :up:

[Sea Demon]

Bad timing on the cross-posting. I was answering the one above yours.
:rotfl:

My bad Steve. :oops:

[OneToughHerring]

He couldn't handle it when I had the audacity to express the notion that the Russians are not an invincible entity that everyone is dependant on, and the West/NATO is not exactly a weakling with nothing to offer. How dare I. :88)

Well in the light of the Iraq and Afghanistan wars it is should I say somewhat unexpected to have someone wave Nato's flag as if forgetting the huge debacles that those two wars are.

Oh, and did I mention the War on terrorism, the one that Russia is supposed to be an integral part of according to republicans as well, I wonder how that thing is progressing...

[Sea Demon]

He couldn't handle it when I had the audacity to express the notion that the Russians are not an invincible entity that everyone is dependant on, and the West/NATO is not exactly a weakling with nothing to offer. How dare I. :88)

Well in the light of the Iraq and Afghanistan wars it is should I say somewhat unexpected to have someone wave Nato's flag as if forgetting the huge debacles that those two wars are.

Oh, and did I mention the War on terrorism, the one that Russia is supposed to be an integral part of according to republicans as well, I wonder how that thing is progressing...

They're going well enough that the Democrats in question can't even talk about them for campaign purposes. We're on the way to handing back control of Anbar province, Baghdad, and the Sadr militia is in ruins. Iraq is now a fully functioning government on they way to getting full control. The fighting continues in Afghanistan, but there is no tragedy going on there, nor does loss seem imminent.

You're still playing the "Iraq is a lost cause" routine I see. :roll: Were you just awakened from a 2 year coma?

[OneToughHerring]

They're going well enough that the Democrats in question can't even talk about them for campaign purposes. We're on the way to handing back control of Anbar province, Baghdad, and the Sadr militia is in ruins. Iraq is now a fully functioning government on they way to getting full control. The fighting continues in Afghanistan, but there is no tragedy going on there, nor does loss seem imminent.

You're still playing the "Iraq is a lost cause" routine I see. :roll: Were you just awakened from a 2 year coma?
Sadr militia is in ruins? Oh I don't know about that, it was the US who put the Shia in control in Iraq, you really think they are in ruins?

So are you going to resurrect the 1 - 2 mil dead that the war in Iraq has caused? And do you really think the war in Iraq is over now? That's what was expected in -03 and it didn't quite happen. And with the majority of US troops pulling out in -09 or -10 the latest I think we can be pretty secure (or unsecure) in the notion that there will be similar attacks against them to the end of the US presence in Iraq.

The final bodycount for US will be around 5, 6 thousand +, including the coalition & the mercenaries ~ 6000 - 7000. Dunno about you but to me, that's a lot of dead folks. For the US ally Iraqi troops, god only knows. Tens of thousands? And in the end Iraq will continue to be a pretty unstable place with the table set up for a new dictator to step up.

Oh yea and in Afghanistan it looks like the Taliban are getting their act together and inflicting serious casualties against the troops there. I have a buddy there with the UN troops and according to him it don't look too good.

edit. Although I have to say that I don't expect the democrats to do any better.

[baggygreen]

but really, is 5/6000 dead americans a lot, over almost 6 years of warfare??

i know i'll get jumped on by a lot of peolpe for saying so, but lets be honest - 5/6000 people were killed in an hour on the western front. More than once.

different times, yes, but its still a war. and regardless of whether you think its justified or not, it IS a war. people will die. The media started getting involved in vietnam and its only gotten worse since.

Frankly, I suspect things will have gone much quicker if there had been no media presence in affers and in the sandpit, but its speculation, which is always fun, no matter where you sit on an issue!

[Sea Demon]

Sadr militia is in ruins? Oh I don't know about that, it was the US who put the Shia in control in Iraq, you really think they are in ruins?

So are you going to resurrect the 1 - 2 mil dead that the war in Iraq has caused? And do you really think the war in Iraq is over now? That's what was expected in -03 and it didn't quite happen. And with the majority of US troops pulling out in -09 or -10 the latest I think we can be pretty secure (or unsecure) in the notion that there will be similar attacks against them to the end of the US presence in Iraq.

The final bodycount for US will be around 5, 6 thousand +, including the coalition & the mercenaries ~ 6000 - 7000. Dunno about you but to me, that's a lot of dead folks. For the US ally Iraqi troops, god only knows. Tens of thousands? And in the end Iraq will continue to be a pretty unstable place with the table set up for a new dictator to step up.

Yes. They are pretty much in ruins. The insurgencies can't even mount a meaningful resistance to the government currently in place. And sorry, I won't play your game. War is bloody. There will be loss of life. We know that. It's pretty much a dead argument at this point as Iraq is looking like it will be a fully functioning government from here on. It won't be the wasted mission and humiliating defeat you were looking forward to for us.

Oh yea and in Afghanistan it looks like the Taliban are getting their act together and inflicting serious casualties against the troops there. I have a buddy there with the UN troops and according to him it don't look too good.

Oooh, yeah. Go Taliban!!!! (Sarcasm off) :shifty: What kind of a whack job are you? Getting their act together???!?!?! Oh, I'm sure you would be so happy if US troops were taking a bloody beating. And how the Democrats could use it as a campaign issue. Woop-dee-doo. Again, it's a crap argument. There is nothing coming from that theater that indicates loss. On the other hand there has been plenty of good news. I'm sure any good news of course just breaks your little heart.

[OneToughHerring]

but really, is 5/6000 dead americans a lot, over almost 6 years of warfare??

i know i'll get jumped on by a lot of peolpe for saying so, but lets be honest - 5/6000 people were killed in an hour on the western front. More than once.

different times, yes, but its still a war. and regardless of whether you think its justified or not, it IS a war. people will die. The media started getting involved in vietnam and its only gotten worse since.

Frankly, I suspect things will have gone much quicker if there had been no media presence in affers and in the sandpit, but its speculation, which is always fun, no matter where you sit on an issue!
Well you're comparing the Iraq war to WW 1 or 2 then yes, it's not that type of a deal. But if you compare it to, say, the British occupation of India, a huge land with a hostile populace, then at least I can't say they've been too succesful.

Also, the American's aren't even calling it a war, it's "occupation", "insurgency", etc. So by admitting that it is a war would be the first step.

Sea Demon,

Iraq is looking like it will be a fully functioning government from here on.
Oh yea, repeat that mantra 100 times before going to sleep, it might help. No but seriously, you believe that? Let me ask you this question, they always ask these questions from the people in favour of Bush, what would have to happen in order for you think that the Iraqi government would have failed? Say, if they were to acquire WMD's and use them against a minority or some stuff like that, would that qualify as a failure? It's just that I'm intrigued by these pro-war/Bush people as to what their rationale for the war actually is. So right now it's "a fully functioning government" in Iraq, ok then. At one time Saddam was one and he didn't have any WMD's so it seems that the US is kinda going in circles here while people are dying by the million. But maybe that's the point, eh?

Oh no, I think the whole Afghanistan - situation has been a terrible tragedy and the 'media blackout' concerning bad news about civilian casualties etc. from that theather of war only makes me more worried that sheet is hitting the fan there in a major way. The fact that the UN has been called as the mess-cleaners and are now taking casualties is another example of a failure by the US-led coalition.

[baggygreen]

the tough thing about civvie casualty claims is that at the moment the main enemy is fighting an insurgency - they dress like the civvies, fire from within civvie areas, and then use any civvy deaths to discredit the "good guys" for want of a better term.

you kill an insurgent, he's a dead insurgent. now if someone takes away his weapon and gets a camera, he's a dead civvy now, ripe for the propaganda war.

its tough!

thanks for the laughs tho mikhayl! (your antics, rather than links):lol:

[mrbeast]

left leaning/anti-Western tendencies.

Nice generalisation there Sea Demon:up: :nope:

[Sea Demon]

would have to happen in order for you think that the Iraqi government would have failed? Say, if they were to acquire WMD's and use them against a minority or some stuff like that, would that qualify as a failure? It's just that I'm intrigued by these pro-war/Bush people as to what their rationale for the war actually is. So right now it's "a fully functioning government" in Iraq, ok then. At one time Saddam was one and he didn't have any WMD's so it seems that the US is kinda going in circles here while people are dying by the million. But maybe that's the point, eh?

Oh no, I think the whole Afghanistan - situation has been a terrible tragedy and the 'media blackout' concerning bad news about civilian casualties etc. from that theather of war only makes me more worried that sheet is hitting the fan there in a major way. The fact that the UN has been called as the mess-cleaners and are now taking casualties is another example of a failure by the US-led coalition.
Yeah, whatever OTH. I've listened to people with your point of view for years. And it's only the same crap over and over again. Tell all the above to your pillow tonight. Because I stopped listening to you types long ago. Your comments are merely the same broken record which doesn't even address the successes we've seen. Yours is merely the view being fed to you by a media that wants the disastrous results you seek. You are merely a person who craves failure and defeat. But yes, Iraq is now a functioning government. The country is being rebuilt. They have revenue incoming. The insurgencies there have failed. The US military and allies have been successful. You and yours have been a failure at selling the idea of "failure". It's why you don't hear the Democrats talk about it as an issue. They can't because they sounded just like you before the end of last year.


Good news from Iraq :............ Oh wait ... uh, nevermind

And you're blind if you want a nice, clean, easy war with no casualties. It ain't ever going to happen. You're trying to drive opinion based on these weak links of yours. As if they tell the entire story? And as if they're not driven to create a story? I would tell you where you can go, but you're already there.

[OneToughHerring]

Yeah, whatever OTH. I've listened to people with your point of view for years. And it's only the same crap over and over again. Tell all the above to your pillow tonight. Because I stopped listening to you types long ago. Your comments are merely the same broken record which doesn't even address the successes we've seen. Yours is merely the view being fed to you by a media that wants the disastrous results you seek. You are merely a person who craves failure and defeat. But yes, Iraq is now a functioning government. The country is being rebuilt. They have revenue incoming. The insurgencies there have failed. The US military and allies have been successful. You and yours have been a failure at selling the idea of "failure". It's why you don't hear the Democrats talk about it as an issue. They can't because they sounded just like you before the end of last year.

So we can expect the rationale for the war and the criteria for 'victory' to keep changing in the future too? With the only constant being that there can't be anything wrong about US who started the whole thing? Ok then, that kind of answers my question right there.

And yes, the media in my country at least takes the occasional critical view about the wars, probably not the case where you live.

[Sea Demon]

So we can expect the rationale for the war and the criteria for 'victory' to keep changing in the future too? With the only constant being that there can't be anything wrong about US who started the whole thing? Ok then, that kind of answers my question right there.

And yes, the media in my country at least takes the occasional critical view about the wars, probably not the case where you live.
It hasn't changed. The criteria for victory has been the same. It's been the people who've been pushing "failure" that have been moving the goalposts all along. Now that we're actually seeing success in both theaters, we're not hearing much in the mainstream media. And the biggie for us here is that the Democrats cannot even discuss it because their own words will come back to eat them alive. You're still arguing about why we went there. You're in a time warp. My questions about people who make the arguments like you make, were answered over a year ago.

I don't know where you live, but the U.S. media is highly critical and biased against U.S. interests in this war. They are quick to report bad, and downplay any good news. The fact is, we have to search for the good here. The fact that we hear less about these wars, especially right now during election season, proves that the stories reporting good news are valid.

[Sea Demon]

Which good news are you talking about ? The interest is genuine, because I keep seeing only articles about talebans winning ground in Afghanistan, reporting more civilian deaths than taleban deaths, and on a side note the most deadly attack carried on French troops since ... 2001. In Iraq it's all about the so-called timetable which actually allows US troops to keep bases indefinitely, government preparing lots of reform without any of the people being aware of 1/10th of it all, the list goes on and on.
I just googled up several with a simple search showing progress. I won't post any links as I don't have the energy. It's simple enough for anybody to do. Of course there is also a war going on all the same so you're going to get bad as well. But you of course don't wish to see or offer a fair assesment, just like our worthless media, so you will focus and highlight noithing but bad. And claim happily defeat. Even though it's trash. That's OK. It's what I've come to expect from some. I know you're biased. And grossly misinformed. I was in your country during Bastille. I was in Nice, and got a nice little perspective of the uninformed views by your countrymen regarding the USA. Alot of people in your neck of the woods think they're informed because they've seen Michael Moore movies. No kidding. The ones I talked to offered that up to me. What a bunch of imbeciles. At any rate, I'm not surprised by your biased and uininformed views. It's what you're fed over there. I saw what they give to you first-hand.

[Tchocky]

Damn French need to deflate their ego, and get informed about the world. This insult-without-knowledge won't stand.

[Sea Demon]

Damn French need to deflate their ego, and get informed about the world. This insult-without-knowledge won't stand.
Yes. They do. ;)

[Sea Demon]

So, you don't "have the energy" to do something as simple as copy/pasting a few links to good news from non biased and well informed medias, but you find the energy to tell me that you know my information sources are "biased and uninformed" because you met some of my countrymen during a stay in France. Fair enough.
The point is, it wouldn't matter to you. With guys like you, it's a waste of time so I refuse. And yes, the many people I talked to during Bastille in both Nice and Cannes about the war, the USA, 9/11, Michael Moore movies were absolute dolts. I saw no "enlightenment" in Europe this time around. It's largely the same crud we get here. I've seen your news first-hand and the crap we get here. The fact that neither Iraq nor Afghanistan is not being used by Democrats and the media right now during election season has alot of significance. If you truly understood anything about the USA, you would know that.

[Tchocky]

Everyone's talking about war over there. Dems mostly about Iraq/Afghanistan, GOP mostly about Vietnam.

[Sea Demon]

Everyone's talking about war over there. Dems mostly about Iraq/Afghanistan, GOP mostly about Vietnam.

None of the current war is the campaign issue they hoped it would be. Democrats were hoping for defeat and humiliation. And they're not getting it. No, they aren't really talking about it. They're trying feebly to trash Sarah Palin as a campaign issue. McCain surprisingly is not really trumpeting his Vietnam service all that much.

[Tchocky]

McCain surprisingly is not really trumpeting his Vietnam service all that much.

You're joking, right?

[Platapus]

McCain surprisingly is not really trumpeting his Vietnam service all that much.

You're joking, right?

Well you don't hear John McCain talk much about his military service, all we hear is his POW experience.

Strange that we don't here much more about his 20+ military career.

Why? Because his 20+ Years in the military match up his 26 year career in the Congress. Honourable service but not much noteworthy.

[Tchocky]

I was taking his time in captivity as a part of his military career. He tends to answer everything with Hanoi, I for one find it disturbing and worrisome.

observe the current campaign frontpage - http://www.johnmccain.com/convention.htm

[Sea Demon]

Well you don't hear John McCain talk much about his military service, all we hear is his POW experience.


Right. We have heard about it. But it's certainly not a major theme. I've listened to McCain talk and it's basically a footnote compared to his highlighting his record in the Senate.

I agree Platapus, McCain should highlight more of his other major military service, such as his commanding a squadron down in Florida. Hmmmm.....Chicago "community activist" or Navy Squadron Commander as President? Who should I choose?

[Sea Demon]

. He tends to answer everything with Hanoi, I for one find it disturbing and worrisome.



No he doesn't. But you can expect him to mention it. It's just not as frequently as you're making it out.

[Tchocky]

. He tends to answer everything with Hanoi, I for one find it disturbing and worrisome.


No he doesn't. But you can expect him to mention it. It's just not as frequently as you're making it out.
Well, he certainly runs to it when caught out or unsure - http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080826/pl_nm/usa_politics_mccain_dc_1

And let's not open the Dancing Queen mess

He's not quite Subject-verb-9/11 yet.

[Sea Demon]

The only "Bastille" I know of happened in 1789, I don't have a clue what you're talking about.
You met stupid uneducated people during your stay in France, wow, that must have been a shock, I'm sure it wouldn't be possible elsewhere.
Mainstream French news are crap, wow, another shock. That wouldn't happen in the country of Fox News, CNN, the NYT and co.

Then you're clueless even about your own country. The Bastille Day events I saw going on were happening everywhere I went down there. The fireworks in Cannes were truly spectacular. You couldn't miss it.

Well, with all the people telling us how stupid Americans are and how enlightened Europeans are, I was expecting to see true genius over there. I was sorely disappointed. Same sloth, same ignorance, different language. And yes, your media is trash. I can't believe the garbage you guys are fed.

[Tchocky]

France 24 is brilliant.

Department of Sweeping Generalisations is working overtime.

[Platapus]

Well you don't hear John McCain talk much about his military service, all we hear is his POW experience.


Right. We have heard about it. But it's certainly not a major theme. I've listened to McCain talk and it's basically a footnote compared to his highlighting his record in the Senate.

I agree Platapus, McCain should highlight more of his other major military service, such as his commanding a squadron down in Florida. Hmmmm.....Chicago "community activist" or Navy Squadron Commander as President? Who should I choose?

Or the fact that in 72 years McCain only has a BS degree and graduated 894 of 899. Where as Obama got his JD and graduated magna cum laude.

Biographical history can help or hurt here. :)

I really have to wonder about someone who graduated in 1958 and never seemed to ever take any further education? I have not been able to find any references that state that McCain even took any college classes after '58.

50 years and not one continuing education class? I guess schoolin is not for every one. :lol:

[Sea Demon]

Oh, that "Bastille", well we don't call it that so you'll excuse me :)
And I fully agree with you, same sh!t different language, here we had over 50% uneducated and garbage-news fed people who voted for Sarkozy, over there you had over 50% uneducated and garbage-news fed people who voted Bush... 2 times.
So yes you're right, no light nor genius on either side, sadly :nope:
That's what they were calling it in Cannes. Actually, the garbage here in the USA was trying to get Gore and Kerry elected. It was very anti-Bush both times. The people chose Bush for other reasons. The mainstream media here simply is looked at as a joke. Including the biased way the war is covered.

[Sea Demon]

Or the fact that in 72 years McCain only has a BS degree and graduated 894 of 899. Where as Obama got his JD and graduated magna cum laude.

Biographical history can help or hurt here.

I agree, but it's what you do with that education that counts and what experiences you've gained. So it's not really a big deal either way.

[mrbeast]

Well you don't hear John McCain talk much about his military service, all we hear is his POW experience.


Right. We have heard about it. But it's certainly not a major theme. I've listened to McCain talk and it's basically a footnote compared to his highlighting his record in the Senate.

I agree Platapus, McCain should highlight more of his other major military service, such as his commanding a squadron down in Florida. Hmmmm.....Chicago "community activist" or Navy Squadron Commander as President? Who should I choose?

Well considering McCain managed to crash his plane 5 times think I might give the cmmunity guy a spin. :D

[Platapus]

Or the fact that in 72 years McCain only has a BS degree and graduated 894 of 899. Where as Obama got his JD and graduated magna cum laude.

Biographical history can help or hurt here.

I agree, but it's what you do with that education that counts and what experiences you've gained. So it's not really a big deal either way.

Well I sure would not hire someone for an executive management position who has not taken at least one professional class in 50 years.

In 20+ years in the military and then 26 years in the Senate, I think he would have some time to take a class in economics, political science, history...something. Something to indicate that he considers political service to be a profession worthy of effort.

George Bush Jr. at least had an MBA

[Digital_Trucker]

Well considering McCain managed to crash his plane 5 times think I might give the cmmunity guy a spin. :D
Might want to change that 5 to a 2 or even a 1. The last one, he was shot down. The one before that was a flame out. The one before that was a freak accident (and accidentally fired rocket striking his plane). The one before that was a genuine crash. The one before that might or might not have been an engine failure.

Research, what a concept:D

Edit : Source http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1571/is_11_16/ai_61361646

The conclusion that the engine in the first crash could not have failed since the engine could be restarted after being removed from the plane and emptied of seawater is erroneous. It doesn't take into account the possibility that something other than the engine caused the engine to stop functioning (i.e. fuel line problems).

[mrbeast]

Ok, just the once then, thats usually enough for most people.:dead:

Couldn't they find a guy who never crashed his plane, I dare say theres quite a few pilots around who can make that boast? :D :hmm:

[Digital_Trucker]

Couldn't they find a guy who never crashed his plane, I dare say theres quite a few pilots around who can make that boast? :D :hmm:

Gee, I never crashed a plane (a real one, anyway), so maybe I should be Prez?:D:hmm:

[XLjedi]

I just want to know when they plan on changing their name to the "Neo-Socialist Party"?

[Frame57]

IME I have seen more MBA's ruin companies than salvage them. They know how to make a fast buck but negate long term profits and always cut and slash the employees benefits and often times salary. I would much rather have a candidate who has common sense than a degree anytime. MBA stands for Mico-brain-anomaly!:D

[XLjedi]

IME I have seen more MBA's ruin companies than salvage them. They know how to make a fast buck but negate long term profits and always cut and slash the employees benefits and often times salary. I would much rather have a candidate who has common sense than a degree anytime. MBA stands for Mico-brain-anomaly!:D

I'm an MBA... I can't say that I've made the same observations.

[Fish]

How to be a good Democrat




Well, you asked for this.

TO BE A GOOD CONSERVATIVE REPUBLICAN...
1. You have to believe that teenagers shouldn't learn about safe sex because ignorance is the best way to prevent pregnancy, and besides,only those homos get AIDS and you thank God for that.

2. You have to believe that the same teacher who can't teach 4th graders how to read is somehow qualified to lead all kids in prayer regardless of their faith as long as it's your faith.

3. You have to believe it is intelligent to buy a gun to protect your family and home despite the fact that you are 40 times more likely to kill your own family member than an intruder.

4. You have to believe that it's OK to have an affair as long as you divorce your spouse after you've been caught and marry the mistress. (Dole, Reagan, Gingrich, Barr, etc.)

5. You have to believe that your SUV should be exempt from emission standards even though it spews out 4 times the pollution of any car, because you enjoy sitting high above the congested traffic.

6. You have to believe abortion is always wrong because all lives are precious and you'll kill any doctor who performs one.

7. You have to believe that the minimum wage should be outlawed because thanks to the extreme generosity of corporations you are overpaid.

8. You have to believe that your children will have a well-rounded education by banning books in the public schools and libraries.

9. You have to believe that in case the government goes bad, you'll need your handgun to successfully fight off an organized army that has tanks, aircraft, battleships, missiles, satellites, and 2 million well-trained soldiers.

10 You have to believe that the NRA is good because it supports a self-serving portion of the Constitution, but the ACLU is bad because it supports all portions of the Constitution, even the right for your fellow Klansmen to have a parade in a Jewish neighborhood.

11. You have to believe that a woman cannot be trusted with decisions about her own body, but that large multinational corporations should make decisions affecting all mankind with no regulation whatsoever.

12. You have to believe that diversity on your presidential ticket means two Texas millionaire oilmen from different corporations.

13. You have to believe the Hate Crimes Bill is bad because it gives "special protection" to a group of people, but think that laws that prohibit citizens from suing Tobacco Corporations, Gun-makers and HMOs are not special protection.

14. You have to believe that freedom of speech is cherished as long as you like what is being said.

15. You have to believe that over the past 20 years, no Presidential primary is complete without the name Dole and/or Bush on it.

16. You have to believe that trickle-down economics works because the rich surely won't keep all that money to themselves. Look how well it worked during the Reagan-Bush years.

17. You have to believe Clinton is bad because he lied about a private sexual indiscretion under oath, but Ronald "I don't remember" Reagan and George "I wasn't there" Bush are heroes because they lied under oath about illegally selling arms to Iranian militants and giving the cash to drug-smuggling Nicaraguan Contras.

18. You have to believe that its OK for government to sanction religion just as long as it's your religion.

19. You have to believe the homosexual agenda is to get a purple Tele-Tubby to turn our children gay.

20. You have to believe that hunters need assault weapons to assist in natural selection, because they shoot only the starving and sick animals and will not shoot that magnificent 12-point stag.

21. You have to believe that Reagan's tripling the deficit was good for the economy.

22. You have to believe that the best leaders to espouse family values are those with one or more failed marriages (Dole, Reagan, Gingrich, Barr, Limbaugh, etc.)

23. Being a drug addict is a moral failing and a crime, unless you are millionaire conservative radio jock, which makes it an "illness" and needs our prayers for "recovery."

24. You have to believe that the members of your national convention represent a good cross-sectional and diverse group of Americans.

25. You have to believe that a national sales tax is better than income tax because everyone uses the same proportion of their income to buy food, clothing, and housing, but really, the only good tax is one which only the poor pay.

26. You have to believe Jesus was a Conservative and shares your hatred of AIDS victims, homosexuals, and President Clinton. You also ask yourself "What would Jesus Do?" and completely ignore the fact that he stayed out of politics, never tried to get a law passed, never tried to obtain wealth, nor spoke of divisive drivel.

27. You believe that charitable organizations should take care of the poor and then give nothing to charity (i.e. Dick Cheney).

28. You believe that a rape victim should be forced to raise her attacker's offspring and then fight her attempts to get welfare when she tries to do so.

29. You have to believe a poor, minority student with a disciplinary history and failing grades will be admitted into an elite private school with a $1,000 voucher (Dubya doesn't count, because he's not a minority. He just became President with the minority).

30. You have to believe that a great way to lower air pollution is to get others to ride mass transit; that way you can get to work in your SUV much faster.

31. You have to believe the talk of Randy Weaver and David Koresh are more important than actions of Franklin Roosevelt and Martin Luther King, and what happened at Ruby Ridge is more important than what happened at Selma, Alabama.

32. You have to believe that Hillary Clinton was crazy for talking to spirits in the White House, but Nancy Reagan is OK for consulting astrologers to help her decide U.S. policies while Ronnie was in the hospital.

33. You have to believe everything that is said by right-wing wackos on talk radio.

34) You have to believe that Saddam was a good guy when Reagan armed him with chemical weapons to fight Iran, a bad guy when Bush's daddy made war on him, a good guy when Cheney was doing business with him for Halliburton, and a bad guy when Bush needed a "we can't find Bin Laden" diversion.

35) You have to believe that the lumber from the last one percent of old growth U.S. forests is well worth the extinction of several species of plants and animals therein. Besides, it will prevent forest fires.

36) You have to believe that Aid to Mothers with Dependent children is wasteful, but giving tax breaks to companies moving American jobs overseas is just what government is for.

37) You have to believe that trade with Cuba is wrong because it is communist, but trading with China and Vietnam is good.

38) You have to believe that the public has a right to know what the government is doing but that Bush was right to censor those 28 pages from the Congressional 9/11 report because you just can't handle the truth.



:rotfl:

[XLjedi]

I believe that already had it's own thread...

[Sailor Steve]

You believe correctly. And in its own thread you can read it, because in its own thread it isn't black on black.