Fatty vs. Undersealcpl

[UnderseaLcpl]

Interested in an easy win?

Your move:D

Lance

[Tchocky]

Oh, it's chess.

Carry on :p

[fatty]

Ok, I have never played by correspondence or with notation like this so bear with me while I figure things out. Good luck!

1. e2 e4

[UnderseaLcpl]

d7-d5

No problem. I'm a casual player myself. Good luck to you as well.
Been playing for long?

[Task Force]

Wonder who will win?:lol:

[UnderseaLcpl]

Wonder who will win?:lol:

Fatty

[Task Force]

Ya never know.:yep: Remember, anything is possiable.;)

[fatty]

e4xd5

First learned about 6 years ago, play now about every month or two. Yourself?

[UnderseaLcpl]

n b8-c6

My dad taught me when I was four or five, but thrashed me until my teens. He thought I was quite talented, but that's only because he is so bad at the game.
When I refused to join the chess club in 8th grade in favor of the debate team he gave up. But I made a lot of money challenging drunk marines to chess matches in OIF 3. Hardly the background of a prodigy but I love the game nonetheless. I think most of my success is due to the ineptitude of my opponents rather than my own skill.
The game's depth makes a mockery of modern RTS computer games, don't you think?

[Skybird]

http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/4425/pos7tg9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[fatty]

d5xc6

I learned in the back of a history class in the tenth grade. After I whooped my friend who was teaching me, his pride could not allow him to admit defeat. At that point I began to study up on the basic strategies for the rematch of the century. I have never played in any clubs or serious matches or anything, never bothered to learn any of the openings or study the pros. I just like the mental workout of trying to blaze my own trail.

Maybe it depends on the computer game, but I think the great depth of chess lies in its lack of glitzy graphics or hifi sound effects. When I use the programs that render the pieces in full 3d with fancy stylings and background music, I take a much more lax approach and lose almost every time. My real pieces, plainly carved and fairly ordinary, are overturned in my mind looking for an extra dimension that really isn't there. But I guess my subconscious won't accept it, and these dinky little pieces take on a dangerous, suspicious character of their own, and the pressure is on.

If you could somehow play Age of Empires with innocuous wooden tiles I suspect the effect would be similar.

[Skybird]

d5xc6

I learned in the back of a history class in the tenth grade. After I whooped my friend who was teaching me, his pride could not allow him to admit defeat. At that point I began to study up on the basic strategies for the rematch of the century. I have never played in any clubs or serious matches or anything, never bothered to learn any of the openings or study the pros. I just like the mental workout of trying to blaze my own trail.

Maybe it depends on the computer game, but I think the great depth of chess lies in its lack of glitzy graphics or hifi sound effects. When I use the programs that render the pieces in full 3d with fancy stylings and background music, I take a much more lax approach and lose almost every time. My real pieces, plainly carved and fairly ordinary, are overturned in my mind looking for an extra dimension that really isn't there. But I guess my subconscious won't accept it, and these dinky little pieces take on a dangerous, suspicious character of their own, and the pressure is on.

If you could somehow play Age of Empires with innocuous wooden tiles I suspect the effect would be similar.

You're talking of distraction caused by fancy eye-candy. I admit that many abstract strategy-games do bore me, like checkers, but sometimes there are things that convince me. the relatively modern game "Abalone" is such an example. It looks super-elegant and beautiful to the eye, in all it's spartan under-statement, the rules are few, and simple. But yet - if you start playing you can't get enough, and all the complexity and dynamic it allows unfolds to both the intellect, and the eye.


http://img236.imageshack.us/img236/1541/abalonejf7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

I have seen deluxe-versions, with very noble looking glass-boards and glass-orbs. Unfortunately i suck at it because I almost never play it, did not systemtically learn it, and somehow find it difficult to think myself into it. Guess I'm an old grim chess warrior forever. :) But I admire the simple elegance and the elegant simplicity in the design, both rules and material. It's almost a perfect design.

[fatty]

Eye candy is a large part of it. Having everything laid out for you - that is, drawn in 3d or 2d as true as possible to what they are supposed to represent - reduces the imagination and I am not able to get as emotionally involved. I enjoy playing Silent Hunter or whatever for the challenge they present but I never get the same sinking feeling in my heart wondering now if I have made some catastrophic blunder and what UnderseaLCpl's devious plan is. I would tear my hair out over a game like Abalone because as I think you said somewhere else, the fate of the universe would rest on the shoulders of those tiny ordinary black and white balls :D It's the kind of paradox that gets the blood pumping!

[UnderseaLcpl]

b7-c6

My devious plan is that I mapped your last move wrong.

Sorry for the delay, work you know.

btw, the object of Silent Hunter is to give your enemies that sinking feeling.:D
I do love my little puns, I fear.

I think you're right about the visual distractions in some games, but I was referring more to the rock-paper-scissors mentality they all seem to suffer from, and the fact that beating a human opponent is usually about speed and swamping them with units.

[fatty]

f1-c4

You're probably right there. I don't play many (any?) RTS games online for that reason. I'm just not so quick a thinker under those circumstances

Edit: hurray 1000 posts!

[UnderseaLcpl]

e7-e6

Congrats on your 1000th.

I can't believe I lost that knight. My ex-gf came over last night to enlist my aid in an online college exam and knocked the board over with her fat a$$. I had that damn pawn on e4 and didn't even stop to wonder what happened to my pawn on d5:doh:

[fatty]

d1-g4

Did she only become your ex- after the fact? ;)

[UnderseaLcpl]

d1-g4

Did she only become your ex- after the fact? ;)

No but if she wasn't already she would have been.:D I really needed that knight.:cry:
Oh, well. Now if I lose I can blame it all on that. We all know I had a brilliant masterplan and that knight was the lynchpin.:p

d8-f6

[fatty]

g1-f3

aha, so my suspicions are confirmed!

[UnderseaLcpl]

hmmm............e6-e5

I don't know what to move, so I move a pawn.

[fatty]

g4-d4

edit: ah crap

[UnderseaLcpl]

Take it back.

[fatty]

That wouldn't be fair. We've both blundered now so it's okay

[UnderseaLcpl]

No, that was a knight this is a queen. You have one more chance to take it back, your call. I know you didn't mean to do that, and this is a major game-breaker. Think about it.

[fatty]

Very well, I will play g4-e4 instead, but I think we should have a match after this now that we've gotten our screwups out of the way :oops:

[UnderseaLcpl]

Excellent! We still have a game:D


c8-h3

I must avenge the death of my knight, even at the expense of my bishop. He's been buggering the pawns, anyway.

[Task Force]

So whos winning.:D

[UnderseaLcpl]

So whos winning.:D

Fatty.
Just wait for skybird to post a graphical representation. You'll see.

[fatty]

g2xh3

Lance is, because I don't know why he gave me that Bishop and yet it's causing me a lot of stress :D

[UnderseaLcpl]

I already told you. He was buggering the pawns. Your problem now:D
btw I would like a rematch after this. Letum is beating the snot out of me, but I'm learning a bit from it. I hope I can learn a bit from our match as well.


a8-d8

[fatty]

f3xe5

[UnderseaLcpl]

f3xe5

Something's wrong. I show you with a pawn at f2 and nothing at f3. I think I may have gotten a bit sideways as I did in my match with Letum.


Sky, arbitration please.:oops:

[fatty]

My knight was on F3, see post #19

[Skybird]

http://img129.imageshack.us/img129/1491/image1me2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)



I don't want to be a pain, but I really recommend to stick with the international standards for transmitting moves in
correspondence chess, guys. That is
- to use full notation that mark figure (except pawns), orginal and target square (or use international four-digit field codes)
- to keep track of your match by always numbering your moves,
- to repeat the last move(s) of your opponent before giving your own reply.

This is no pedantic thing, but to prevent against mishaps, misreadings, and to save you from posting a reply that you have calculated while having read the last move of your opponent wrong. If you write his move before your reply, you may note your mistake BEFORE you post your move.

You agreed to take back moves, which is okay. but standard is not to allow that. However, if both players agree to that before a match, it's fine. We do not play a serious tournament here.

;),
Sky

http://img371.imageshack.us/img371/480/postcardforcorrespondenhu0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[UnderseaLcpl]

Whoa! I'm way off.:oops: I should have stuck with one match at a time.

f6-h6

[fatty]

Okay Sky, I will try.

Your 9. Qf6-h6

My 10. Ne5xc6+

edited in the check symbol

[fatty]

What is that last graphic? Mein deutsche ist nicht gut.

[UnderseaLcpl]

I don't see how c6 is a check position for your knight when my king is at e8

[fatty]

The move opened up my queen

[Skybird]

What is that last graphic? Mein deutsche ist nicht gut.
It is a sample for a multi-lingual postcard used for correspondence chess, used in international matches.

[fatty]

What is that last graphic? Mein deutsche ist nicht gut.
It is a sample for a multi-lingual postcard used for correspondence chess, used in international matches.

Oh I understand, I see the other translations now. Very neat.

[UnderseaLcpl]

Sorry, Ng8-e7

last move for the day. I have to go to bed. Work at 20:00 again........

[fatty]

Your 10. Neg8-e7
My 11. Nc6xRd8

Have a good sleep! What kind of work do you do?

[Skybird]

He's a sleepworker. :D

[UnderseaLcpl]

Ke8xNd8


Actually sky isn't far off. I am an engineer. The kind that drives trains, not the smart ones. I do get a fair amount of sleeping and reading done at work while our train is stuck in the siding or we're waiting for a signal.

Good news though, I finally got Arena w/o engines working properly, so I no longer have to try to play both matches on one chessboard. That should help a bit.
I've spent about half the match operating under the impression that some of your pieces were in different places. Hence the pointless sacrifice of both my bishop and knight.

It doesn't look good right now, but I think I can maybe pull this off. If not, there's always the rematch;)

[fatty]

Your 11. Ke8xNd8
My 12. Qe4-a8+

That sounds pretty cool, do you get to do a lot of travelling?

And don't worry, I'm definitely hoping to get another match in after this one :)

[UnderseaLcpl]

Kd8-d7

Yeah, there is a fair bit of travelling involved, but it's all from Ft.Worth to OKC and back. Take a train up there, stay a bit in the hotel, and then bring another one back. It's like a relay circuit.

So what's your vocation?

[fatty]

Your 12. Kd8-d7
My 13. Qa8xa7

I'm a full-time student of political science, with a focus on Canadian defence policy and maritime security.

[fatty]

Are we done Lance? I wouldn't object to starting fresh if you were interested.

[UnderseaLcpl]

No, sorry. I've just had my plate a bit full over the past few days here. Work, fixing the f%#&@*&!! sprinkler system, trying to learn some chess from sky and Letum, doing my ex-gf's online college tests and homework, it gets a bit taxing.
It may interest you to know that I'm working on her political science class right now. Would you mind if I PM you with a few questions?

I'm trying to incorporate some of the lessons I've learned about chess into an overall strategy. I promise I'll have a move for you soon. It really is a deep game, that requires a lot of analysis.

I may resign soon, so we can start anew, but I have one last thing I want to try. Maybe. I'm still working on it.

However, I would accept a forced resignation if you want to have a rematch now.

[fatty]

No worries my friend, whatever works best. I'm happy to keep playing, put it on pause for a bit, start over... whatever you'd like. I only asked because the thread slid over to the second page and I've been watching you play in Sky's thread and hoped you hadn't forgotten about me ;)

Please feel free to PM me, I certainly don't have all (or most) of the answers but I can do my best to find them and would be happy to help.

[UnderseaLcpl]

your 13. Qa8xa7

my 13. Ne7-c5


I'll have some questions for you by the middle of next week. Her class is getting into Federalism right now, and the prof hasn't put all the lectures on the website yet. Thanks in advance for the help, though:up:

[fatty]

Your 13. Ne7-c5
My 14. Qa7-e3

Ok, I got your PM, will keep checking back.

[Skybird]

Never, under no circumstance, will any knight ever move from e7 to c5. ;)

[fatty]

Did you mean c6 lance? That was the move I was expecting and, oddly enough, the move I actually played on my board.

[Skybird]

http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/9830/image1kt0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[UnderseaLcpl]

Did you mean c6 lance? That was the move I was expecting and, oddly enough, the move I actually played on my board.

Argh. Yes, I meant c6. I should pay more attention. I'm not surprised that you expected that move, since I have so few options now.

Your 14. Qa7-e3

My 14. nc6-b4

Saw that one coming too, I bet.

[fatty]

Your 14. nc6-b4
My 15. Bc4xf7

It did cross my mind :up:

[Skybird]

BTW, fatty, baggygreen said he is looking for an opponent, so...!?

[fatty]

Got it, thanks Sky!

[UnderseaLcpl]

nb4-c2+

Say goodbye to your queen:D


edit-forgot move numbers.

Your 15. Bc4xf7
My 15. nb4-c2+

[fatty]

D'oh. I knew that move was coming but the fork went right over my head. I planned to just shuffle my king over and play my queen to E8+ the following turn to start tightening the noose.

At this point I will resign. I've groped my way around here, made a lot of mitakes, and have taken enough from this and the other games that I would like to start a fresh one to apply what I've learned.

Good game, and thanks for playing Lance.

[UnderseaLcpl]

Hows about we call it a draw instead. You may have lost your queen, but you still outnumber me by a significant margin. I think you still had good prospects for victory.


Enjoy the match with baggy. I'm always up for a rematch if you're interested.


Thanks to you as well and good luck:up: