View Full Version : First assassination attempt against Obama?
Skybird
08-26-08, 03:14 AM
German "Die Welt" reports that police made arrests on monday.
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Tribune:
http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2008/08/26/america/NA-US-Obama-Threat-Investigation.php
geetrue
08-26-08, 11:10 AM
I saw this on GMA this morning ... those guys looked like real bad dudes worse than any movie bad guys I have seen.
AVGWarhawk
08-26-08, 11:21 AM
Looks that way. It almost seems these attempts are expected on Obama. Then again, the same is thought with anyone previous to Obama. Is it possible Obama has more chance of attempts happening? I believe so. I think Obama will have double time on body guards and security. He refused it a while back but then it was forced on him. He needs security.
OneToughHerring
08-26-08, 12:06 PM
Yea, and the thing is, when a democrat president is assassinated there is no backlash. When Kennedy was shot next up were Johnson and Nixon, both pro-war and the war in Vietnam took off. When Reagan was shot he got re-elected and went ahead with Iran-gate etc.
Happy Times
08-26-08, 12:18 PM
Yea, and the thing is, when a democrat president is assassinated there is no backlash. When Kennedy was shot next up were Johnson and Nixon, both pro-war and the war in Vietnam took off. When Reagan was shot he got re-elected and went ahead with Iran-gate etc.
Yes, all Rebublicans are EVIL to the bone, they want war and destruction to the world.
Frame57
08-26-08, 12:20 PM
I love the smell of Napalm in the morning....:dead:
There have been more attempts on Republican Presidents and candidates than Democrats in modern times (1900-2008).
That said, the news is reporting that this threat was in fact not credible (ie: he might have talked about it, but had no way to execute the attack planned out).
tater
Digital_Trucker
08-26-08, 01:48 PM
Yea, and the thing is, when a democrat president is assassinated there is no backlash. When Kennedy was shot next up were Johnson and Nixon, both pro-war and the war in Vietnam took off. When Reagan was shot he got re-elected and went ahead with Iran-gate etc.
Yes, all Rebublicans are EVIL to the bone, they want war and destruction to the world.
Don't forget, they are all bullet-proof, too:p
DeepIron
08-26-08, 01:51 PM
One of the men was arrested near Denver with two rifles, ammunition, walkie-talkies and suspected drugs. Federal officials say two other men and a woman were apprehended a few hours later.
They just got lost finding the US/Mexico border... Bah... tourists... :shifty:
Jimbuna
08-26-08, 01:53 PM
Secret Service bodyguard.....That is one job I wouldn't want in this day and age :nope:
kiwi_2005
08-26-08, 02:25 PM
Secret Service bodyguard.....That is one job I wouldn't want in this day and age :nope:
Me either, i would probably panic and shoot myself in the foot! :rotfl:
Yea, and the thing is, when a democrat president is assassinated there is no backlash. When Kennedy was shot next up were Johnson and Nixon, both pro-war and the war in Vietnam took off. When Reagan was shot he got re-elected and went ahead with Iran-gate etc.
Erm Johnson was a Democrat and it is he, not Nixon, expanded the war in Vietnam. Nixon spent the next 6 years trying to first actually accomplish something and then disengage from that war. "Peace with Honor" was the buzz phrase iirc.
OneToughHerring
08-26-08, 04:12 PM
Yea, and the thing is, when a democrat president is assassinated there is no backlash. When Kennedy was shot next up were Johnson and Nixon, both pro-war and the war in Vietnam took off. When Reagan was shot he got re-elected and went ahead with Iran-gate etc.
Erm Johnson was a Democrat and it is he, not Nixon, expanded the war in Vietnam. Nixon spent the next 6 years trying to first actually accomplish something and then disengage from that war. "Peace with Honor" was the buzz phrase iirc.
Yes I know he was a democrat. In hindsight he didn't really seem like a smart one though, the whole mess was probably why he didn't seek re-election.
SUBMAN1
08-26-08, 04:19 PM
Is this another Democrat theater? Snipers in Bosnia, now this? Give me a break already.
-S
Yes I know he was a democrat. In hindsight he didn't really seem like a smart one though, the whole mess was probably why he didn't seek re-election.
So we can agree then that Vietnam was a Democrat boondoggle that cost the lives of 10 times as many Americans as the GoP war in Iraq?
Yes I know he was a democrat. In hindsight he didn't really seem like a smart one though, the whole mess was probably why he didn't seek re-election.
So we can agree then that Vietnam was a Democrat boondoggle that cost the lives of 10 times as many Americans as the GoP war in Iraq?
August, part of being a liberal, democrat, or wife, is never admiting to being wrong. So, the democratic party would like to put the whole blame on France! :yep:
It was the KKK according to the radio phone in.........:huh: :roll:
It was the KKK according to the radio phone in.........:huh: :roll:
Apparently these elite klan assassins were so high on meth that the cops spotted their van weaving back and forth across the roadway which is how they were picked up. Hardly a serious threat here folks.
It was the KKK according to the radio phone in.........:huh: :roll:
Apparently these elite klan assassins were so high on meth that the cops spotted their van weaving back and forth across the roadway which is how they were picked up. Hardly a serious threat here folks.
Bloody ex-American women living here I don't know can you trust what they say? Well not this one. :lol:
geetrue
08-26-08, 06:45 PM
The one guy driving funny got caught and that led to the others getting nabbed.
One jumped out of a window to run for it and got caught.
He's being held on 2 million dollar bail for some drug charges ????
Platapus
08-26-08, 06:59 PM
Yes I know he was a democrat. In hindsight he didn't really seem like a smart one though, the whole mess was probably why he didn't seek re-election.
So we can agree then that Vietnam was a Democrat boondoggle that cost the lives of 10 times as many Americans as the GoP war in Iraq?
It all depends on when you believe the Viet Nam conflict started.
As a political analyst, I use the year 1954 to designate the start of the conflict.
Not really The US action in Viet Nam started in 1954 with the selection of Ngo Dinh Diem by Colonel Edward Landsdale (and $12 Million in bribe money from the CIA) under order from John Foster Dulles US Secretary of State (1953-1959).
Despite the agreement for democratic elections to be held in 1956, since the CIA estimated that Ho Chi Minh would garner "possibly 80% of the popular vote" something had to be done. John Foster Dulles stated at a State Department meeting in 1955 "I don't believe Diem wants to hold elections, and I believe we should support him in this" (Kinzer, 2006, p. 153).
This decision ensured that North and South Korea would not be united.
The Viet Nam conflict started during President Eisenhower's administration (1953-1961)
Kinzer, S. (2006) Overthrow: America's century of regime change from Hawaii to Iraq. New York: Henry Holt and Company
Yes I know he was a democrat. In hindsight he didn't really seem like a smart one though, the whole mess was probably why he didn't seek re-election.
So we can agree then that Vietnam was a Democrat boondoggle that cost the lives of 10 times as many Americans as the GoP war in Iraq?
It all depends on when you believe the Viet Nam conflict started.
As a political analyst, I use the year 1954 to designate the start of the conflict.
Not really The US action in Viet Nam started in 1954 with the selection of Ngo Dinh Diem by Colonel Edward Landsdale (and $12 Million in bribe money from the CIA) under order from John Foster Dulles US Secretary of State (1953-1959).
Despite the agreement for democratic elections to be held in 1956, since the CIA estimated that Ho Chi Minh would garner "possibly 80% of the popular vote" something had to be done. John Foster Dulles stated at a State Department meeting in 1955 "I don't believe Diem wants to hold elections, and I believe we should support him in this" (Kinzer, 2006, p. 153).
This decision ensured that North and South Korea would not be united.
The Viet Nam conflict started during President Eisenhower's administration (1953-1961)
Kinzer, S. (2006) Overthrow: America's century of regime change from Hawaii to Iraq. New York: Henry Holt and Company
1954 was the year Dien Ben Phu fell. War had already started by then, besides giving money logistic support to one side (while the communists supported the other) is hardly "starting" a war.
Platapus
08-26-08, 08:23 PM
besides giving money logistic support to one side (while the communists supported the other) is hardly "starting" a war.
There are different interpretations of this. This is what makes history so fun to study. :)
besides giving money logistic support to one side (while the communists supported the other) is hardly "starting" a war.
There are different interpretations of this. This is what makes history so fun to study. :)
True dat. :up:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7581611.stm
'No evidence' of threat to Obama
Three men arrested on weapons and drugs charges in the US state of Colorado were not involved in a credible plan to kill Barack Obama, officials have said.
US Attorney Troy Eid said investigators had found "insufficient evidence of any kind of plot or threat" among the men.
Mr Eid said the threat instead appeared to have been the product of the "racist rantings" of methamphetamine addicts.
Earlier, one of the suspects said his friends may have wanted to shoot Mr Obama at the Democratic convention.
The Illinois senator is set to be nominated as the party's candidate for the US presidency at the gathering in Denver this week.
'True threat'
Speaking at a news conference in the city, Mr Eid said the three "meth heads" arrested on Sunday had not posed a "true threat" to Mr Obama because they simply would not have been capable.
"The alleged threats, hateful and bigoted though they were, involved a group of… methamphetamine abusers, all of whom were impaired at the time," he said.
Skybird
08-26-08, 11:00 PM
August, part of being a liberal, democrat, or wife, is never admiting to being wrong. So, the democratic party would like to put the whole blame on France! :yep:
That makes the US a one-party-system, since Republicans work by exactly the same philosophy - where is the difference then? :-?
August, part of being a liberal, democrat, or wife, is never admiting to being wrong. So, the democratic party would like to put the whole blame on France! :yep:
That makes the US a one-party-system, since Republicans work by exactly the same philosophy - where is the difference then? :-?
It's called sarcasm SB. The only difference between the two parties is, one will spend a billion dollars to give away life jackets to it's citizens in the desert, the other will spend the same amount on advertising to let them know it's a good idea to use them.
It's all in the approach.
It's called sarcasm SB. The only difference between the two parties is, one will spend a billion dollars to give away life jackets to it's citizens in the desert, the other will spend the same amount on advertising to let them know it's a good idea to use them.
It's all in the approach.
Now you've really confused him... :D
OneToughHerring
08-27-08, 09:49 AM
Yes I know he was a democrat. In hindsight he didn't really seem like a smart one though, the whole mess was probably why he didn't seek re-election.
So we can agree then that Vietnam was a Democrat boondoggle that cost the lives of 10 times as many Americans as the GoP war in Iraq?
Well I call it an American "boondoggle" but that's just me. Democrats and Republicans are just the same thing in somewhat different packages, it's like choosing between the Gambino and the Genovesi - crime families.
But if you're claiming that Nixon was somehow less guilty then Kennedy or Johnson, you're wrong. The bombing campaigns during Nixon's reign caused countless civilian deaths in Vietnam, Cambodia and Laos and prolonged the war.
Happy Times
08-27-08, 09:59 AM
Yes I know he was a democrat. In hindsight he didn't really seem like a smart one though, the whole mess was probably why he didn't seek re-election.
So we can agree then that Vietnam was a Democrat boondoggle that cost the lives of 10 times as many Americans as the GoP war in Iraq?
Well I call it an American "boondoggle" but that's just me. Democrats and Republicans are just the same thing in somewhat different packages, it's like choosing between the Gambino and the Genovesi - crime families.
You would really compare them to gansters?
Why dont you tell more how the world should be?
How have you contributed to improve the community, society and the world you live in?
OneToughHerring
08-27-08, 10:15 AM
Yes I know he was a democrat. In hindsight he didn't really seem like a smart one though, the whole mess was probably why he didn't seek re-election.
So we can agree then that Vietnam was a Democrat boondoggle that cost the lives of 10 times as many Americans as the GoP war in Iraq?
Well I call it an American "boondoggle" but that's just me. Democrats and Republicans are just the same thing in somewhat different packages, it's like choosing between the Gambino and the Genovesi - crime families.
You would really compare them to gansters?
Why dont you tell more how the world should be?
How have you contributed to improve the community, society and the world you live in?
Yes I compare them to gangsters.
Oh you're angry. Why does US politics make you so angry?
Well let's put it this way, if someone has the power to start a war then I expect those people to use that power with caution. Average people don't have that power but politicians and possibly big business tycoons have that power.
Happy Times
08-27-08, 10:20 AM
Yes I know he was a democrat. In hindsight he didn't really seem like a smart one though, the whole mess was probably why he didn't seek re-election.
So we can agree then that Vietnam was a Democrat boondoggle that cost the lives of 10 times as many Americans as the GoP war in Iraq?
Well I call it an American "boondoggle" but that's just me. Democrats and Republicans are just the same thing in somewhat different packages, it's like choosing between the Gambino and the Genovesi - crime families.
You would really compare them to gansters?
Why dont you tell more how the world should be?
How have you contributed to improve the community, society and the world you live in?
Yes I compare them to gangsters.
Oh you're angry. Why does US politics make you so angry?
Well let's put it this way, if someone has the power to start a war then I expect those people to use that power with caution. Average people don't have that power but politicians and possibly big business tycoons have that power.
What makes me angry is people that "know" how the world should be but they dont do anything about it.
And i prefer that matters of war is something average people dont have a saying.
Can you tell what have you contributed to the society so far?
OneToughHerring
08-27-08, 10:25 AM
Yes I know he was a democrat. In hindsight he didn't really seem like a smart one though, the whole mess was probably why he didn't seek re-election.
So we can agree then that Vietnam was a Democrat boondoggle that cost the lives of 10 times as many Americans as the GoP war in Iraq?
Well I call it an American "boondoggle" but that's just me. Democrats and Republicans are just the same thing in somewhat different packages, it's like choosing between the Gambino and the Genovesi - crime families.
You would really compare them to gansters?
Why dont you tell more how the world should be?
How have you contributed to improve the community, society and the world you live in?
Yes I compare them to gangsters.
Oh you're angry. Why does US politics make you so angry?
Well let's put it this way, if someone has the power to start a war then I expect those people to use that power with caution. Average people don't have that power but politicians and possibly big business tycoons have that power.
What makes me angry is people that "know" how the world should be but they dont do anything about it.
And i prefer that matters of war is something average people dont have a saying.
Can you tell what have you contributed to the society so far?
What makes you think I'm not doing anything about it? Do you mean like the guys who almost took a shot at Obama, that type of thing, perchance? How have you contributed to the society then? Give me an example of a good contribution to the society so I'll know what you mean.
Well I may not agree with Democrats but I do not question their motives or their patriotism. Such distinctions may not be that evident though, especially to foreigners following things through the media.
Don't American follow things through the medias as well ? :D
Just kidding, I know what you mean (well I think)
Oh I'm sure you do Mik. Just ask yourself how often does the foreign media accurately portray political situations in France and how often the domestic French media blow things out of proportion.
Happy Times
08-27-08, 10:42 AM
Yes I know he was a democrat. In hindsight he didn't really seem like a smart one though, the whole mess was probably why he didn't seek re-election.
So we can agree then that Vietnam was a Democrat boondoggle that cost the lives of 10 times as many Americans as the GoP war in Iraq?
Well I call it an American "boondoggle" but that's just me. Democrats and Republicans are just the same thing in somewhat different packages, it's like choosing between the Gambino and the Genovesi - crime families.
You would really compare them to gansters?
Why dont you tell more how the world should be?
How have you contributed to improve the community, society and the world you live in?
Yes I compare them to gangsters.
Oh you're angry. Why does US politics make you so angry?
Well let's put it this way, if someone has the power to start a war then I expect those people to use that power with caution. Average people don't have that power but politicians and possibly big business tycoons have that power.
What makes me angry is people that "know" how the world should be but they dont do anything about it.
And i prefer that matters of war is something average people dont have a saying.
Can you tell what have you contributed to the society so far?
What makes you think I'm not doing anything about it? Do you mean like the guys who almost took a shot at Obama, that type of thing, perchance? How have you contributed to the society then? Give me an example of a good contribution to the society so I'll know what you mean.
Do you vote? Do you belong to a party? Have you worked in a campaign? Do you keep in touch with politicians? Do you work? Do you pay taxes? Do you take part in collections and charity? Do you give blood?
Those are some things i take as my responsibilities as a citizen, it fits my evil right-wing world wiew.
Happy Times
08-27-08, 10:44 AM
Don't American follow things through the medias as well ? :D
Just kidding, I know what you mean (well I think)
Btw, HT, criticising society is a valuable contribution in itself, providing said society is aimed toward the happiness of its people and not toward the wellness of a few.
Yes, but sometimes it seems for some people its the only thing they can do.
OneToughHerring
08-27-08, 10:54 AM
Yes I know he was a democrat. In hindsight he didn't really seem like a smart one though, the whole mess was probably why he didn't seek re-election.
So we can agree then that Vietnam was a Democrat boondoggle that cost the lives of 10 times as many Americans as the GoP war in Iraq?
Well I call it an American "boondoggle" but that's just me. Democrats and Republicans are just the same thing in somewhat different packages, it's like choosing between the Gambino and the Genovesi - crime families.
You would really compare them to gansters?
Why dont you tell more how the world should be?
How have you contributed to improve the community, society and the world you live in?
Yes I compare them to gangsters.
Oh you're angry. Why does US politics make you so angry?
Well let's put it this way, if someone has the power to start a war then I expect those people to use that power with caution. Average people don't have that power but politicians and possibly big business tycoons have that power.
What makes me angry is people that "know" how the world should be but they dont do anything about it.
And i prefer that matters of war is something average people dont have a saying.
Can you tell what have you contributed to the society so far?
What makes you think I'm not doing anything about it? Do you mean like the guys who almost took a shot at Obama, that type of thing, perchance? How have you contributed to the society then? Give me an example of a good contribution to the society so I'll know what you mean.
Do you vote? Do you belong to a party? Have you worked in a campaign? Do you keep in touch with politicians? Do you work? Do you pay taxes? Do you take part in collections and charity? Do you give blood?
Those are some things i take as my responsibilities as a citizen, it fits my evil right wing world wiew.
Answers: Vote: yes. Party: used to, not anymore, if by belonging to a party you mean holding a member card etc. Campaigned: yes. Keep in touch with politicians: not really, I would if there were worthwhile politicians who might respond to worthwhile issues. Work: have but right now in between jobs. Taxes: too much. Charity: yes but I'm pretty selective of the charity organisation, I try to avoid the private organisations that may have some hidden agendas. Give blood: Yes. Although only five times so far, actually been planning on a donation right now. Blood plasma is a pretty expensive product and it can be a lifesaver to someone in an accident. Here we do it for free but for example in states they pay blood donators.
And how about you answer those questions too.
Happy Times
08-27-08, 11:04 AM
Yes I know he was a democrat. In hindsight he didn't really seem like a smart one though, the whole mess was probably why he didn't seek re-election.
So we can agree then that Vietnam was a Democrat boondoggle that cost the lives of 10 times as many Americans as the GoP war in Iraq?
Well I call it an American "boondoggle" but that's just me. Democrats and Republicans are just the same thing in somewhat different packages, it's like choosing between the Gambino and the Genovesi - crime families.
You would really compare them to gansters?
Why dont you tell more how the world should be?
How have you contributed to improve the community, society and the world you live in?
Yes I compare them to gangsters.
Oh you're angry. Why does US politics make you so angry?
Well let's put it this way, if someone has the power to start a war then I expect those people to use that power with caution. Average people don't have that power but politicians and possibly big business tycoons have that power.
What makes me angry is people that "know" how the world should be but they dont do anything about it.
And i prefer that matters of war is something average people dont have a saying.
Can you tell what have you contributed to the society so far?
What makes you think I'm not doing anything about it? Do you mean like the guys who almost took a shot at Obama, that type of thing, perchance? How have you contributed to the society then? Give me an example of a good contribution to the society so I'll know what you mean.
Do you vote? Do you belong to a party? Have you worked in a campaign? Do you keep in touch with politicians? Do you work? Do you pay taxes? Do you take part in collections and charity? Do you give blood?
Those are some things i take as my responsibilities as a citizen, it fits my evil right wing world wiew.
Answers: Vote: yes. Party: used to, not anymore, if by belonging to a party you mean holding a member card etc. Campaigned: yes. Keep in touch with politicians: not really, I would if there were worthwhile politicians who might respond to worthwhile issues. Work: have but right now in between jobs. Taxes: too much. Charity: yes but I'm pretty selective of the charity organisation, I try to avoid the private organisations that may have some hidden agendas. Give blood: Yes. Although only five times so far, actually been planning on a donation right now. Blood plasma is a pretty expensive product and it can be a lifesaver to someone in an accident. Here we do it for free but for example in states they pay blood donators.
And how about you answer those questions too.
"Those are some things i take as my responsibilities as a citizen."
OneToughHerring
08-27-08, 11:04 AM
Don't American follow things through the medias as well ? :D
Just kidding, I know what you mean (well I think)
Btw, HT, criticising society is a valuable contribution in itself, providing said society is aimed toward the happiness of its people and not toward the wellness of a few.
Yes, but sometimes it seems for some people its the only thing they can do.
Arbeit macht frei etc., eh? Beginning to see your motives there.
Happy Times
08-27-08, 11:05 AM
Don't American follow things through the medias as well ? :D
Just kidding, I know what you mean (well I think)
Btw, HT, criticising society is a valuable contribution in itself, providing said society is aimed toward the happiness of its people and not toward the wellness of a few.
Yes, but sometimes it seems for some people its the only thing they can do.
Arbeit macht frei etc., eh? Beginning to see your motives there.
What motives?
OneToughHerring
08-27-08, 11:09 AM
Don't American follow things through the medias as well ? :D
Just kidding, I know what you mean (well I think)
Btw, HT, criticising society is a valuable contribution in itself, providing said society is aimed toward the happiness of its people and not toward the wellness of a few.
Yes, but sometimes it seems for some people its the only thing they can do.
Arbeit macht frei etc., eh? Beginning to see your motives there.
What motives?
You're motives for thinking the way you do.
Happy Times
08-27-08, 11:10 AM
Don't American follow things through the medias as well ? :D
Just kidding, I know what you mean (well I think)
Btw, HT, criticising society is a valuable contribution in itself, providing said society is aimed toward the happiness of its people and not toward the wellness of a few.
Yes, but sometimes it seems for some people its the only thing they can do.
Arbeit macht frei etc., eh? Beginning to see your motives there.
What motives?
You're motives for thinking the way you do.
And they are?
Arbeit macht frei etc
??
OneToughHerring
08-27-08, 11:13 AM
Don't American follow things through the medias as well ? :D
Just kidding, I know what you mean (well I think)
Btw, HT, criticising society is a valuable contribution in itself, providing said society is aimed toward the happiness of its people and not toward the wellness of a few.
Yes, but sometimes it seems for some people its the only thing they can do.
Arbeit macht frei etc., eh? Beginning to see your motives there.
What motives?
You're motives for thinking the way you do.
And they are?
Arbeit macht frei etc ??
Right-wing/racist views. You seem to have a problem with how some people think, to me that's a sign of fascism.
Btw, HT, criticising society is a valuable contribution in itself, providing said society is aimed toward the happiness of its people and not toward the wellness of a few.
And providing said criticism is constructive. Criticism for the sake of criticism is counter productive.
Right-wing/racist views. You seem to have a problem with how some people think, to me that's a sign of fascism.
Pot/kettle/black. You calling him a fascist shows you have as much of a problem with the way he thinks as you claim he has with others.
OneToughHerring
08-27-08, 02:07 PM
Right-wing/racist views. You seem to have a problem with how some people think, to me that's a sign of fascism.
Pot/kettle/black. You calling him a fascist shows you have as much of a problem with the way he thinks as you claim he has with others.
Well if he starts attacking me I'll be more then happy to return the favour. I expect nothing less in return and try to be the one who 'doesn't throw the first stone', although I'm not exactly a christian either.
But you siding with him doesn't really surprise me. However I can't guarantee that you two would agree on everything. I mean, not all in Finland think it's good to have a black man as a candidate to be president of USA as if our opinion mattered in USA.
Skybird
08-27-08, 02:33 PM
Guys, please get over your issues, or switch to PM mode. There is no need to carry this on in public endlessly. Thank you. :ping:
Right-wing/racist views. You seem to have a problem with how some people think, to me that's a sign of fascism.
Pot/kettle/black. You calling him a fascist shows you have as much of a problem with the way he thinks as you claim he has with others.
Well if he starts attacking me I'll be more then happy to return the favour. I expect nothing less in return and try to be the one who 'doesn't throw the first stone', although I'm not exactly a christian either.
But you siding with him doesn't really surprise me. However I can't guarantee that you two would agree on everything. I mean, not all in Finland think it's good to have a black man as a candidate to be president of USA as if our opinion mattered in USA.
I never said we'd agree on everything, but when people start tossing around the "right-wing fascist" labels nothing constructive is going to come from it.
Sailor Steve
08-27-08, 02:40 PM
But if you're claiming that Nixon was somehow less guilty then Kennedy or Johnson, you're wrong. The bombing campaigns during Nixon's reign caused countless civilian deaths in Vietnam, Cambodia and Laos and prolonged the war.
And caused my orders to be changed. We were to go to Sasebo and see the World Fair at Yokosuka on our way home, but with the Cambodia bombing we were ordered to stay on the gun line for another month and then come directly home.
1972 was my first election (I reached 21 in 1971, the same year they lowered the voting age to 18 - I got screwed twice), and I hated Nixon for personal reasons. Childish, I know, but hey, I was still a child!
OneToughHerring
08-27-08, 02:51 PM
Right-wing/racist views. You seem to have a problem with how some people think, to me that's a sign of fascism.
Pot/kettle/black. You calling him a fascist shows you have as much of a problem with the way he thinks as you claim he has with others.
Well if he starts attacking me I'll be more then happy to return the favour. I expect nothing less in return and try to be the one who 'doesn't throw the first stone', although I'm not exactly a christian either.
But you siding with him doesn't really surprise me. However I can't guarantee that you two would agree on everything. I mean, not all in Finland think it's good to have a black man as a candidate to be president of USA as if our opinion mattered in USA.
I never said we'd agree on everything, but when people start tossing around the "right-wing fascist" labels nothing constructive is going to come from it.
Like I said, I only returned the favour. Although judging from HT's comments on various issues I don't think I was that far off mark. But shouldn't that be ok with you guys, I mean, there are certain circles where racist thoughts seem complitely ok. Check the OP for reference.'
Sailor Steve,
interesting to hear from someone who was actually there.
But if you're claiming that Nixon was somehow less guilty then Kennedy or Johnson, you're wrong. The bombing campaigns during Nixon's reign caused countless civilian deaths in Vietnam, Cambodia and Laos and prolonged the war.
Sorry I missed this. The way I remember it the bombing campaigns is what brought the North Vietnamese back to the bargaining table. Their on again off again approach is what prolonged the war if anything did.
Can you tell me how the war might have been shortened if the bombing campaigns had not been ordered?
mrbeast
08-27-08, 03:12 PM
Guys, please get over your issues, or switch to PM mode. There is no need to carry this on in public endlessly. Thank you. :ping:
Yes and can we please stop endlesly quoting again and again, some of those posts are like 95% quoted text with a sentance at the bottom! :doh: :huh: :D
Platapus
08-27-08, 03:23 PM
Perhaps a moderator could declare this thread a failure and give it the merciful death it deserves.
It has suffered enough. :yep:
But shouldn't that be ok with you guys, I mean, there are certain circles where racist thoughts seem complitely ok. Check the OP for reference.'
That's not a very nice thing to say friend.
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