Positive news from Russia.

[Happy Times]

Post away, as many people have said that only negative things about Russia are posted.

[Letum]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_jokes

They have one or two good jokes...

What do you call one Ukrainian? --A partisan. What do you call two Ukrainians? --A partisan cell. What do you call three Ukrainians? --A partisan cell with a traitor in their midst.
A Soviet newspaper reports: "Last night the [Chernobyl] Nuclear Powerstation fulfilled the Five Year Plan of heat energy generation in 4 microseconds."
And then they had "alternative" joles...

Two crocodiles were flying. One was green, the other was going to Africa, too. The first one asks, "How much does a pound of fried nails cost?" The second one replies, "What shoes? I graduated long ago" [ba-dum-tish!]

*edit* One more!


A Chukcha sits on the shore of the Bering Strait. An American submarine surfaces. The American captain opens the hatch and asks: "Which way is Alaska?" The Chukcha points his finger: "That way!" "Thanks!" says the American, shouts "South-South-East, bearing 159.5 degrees!" down the hatch and the submarine submerges. Ten minutes later a Soviet submarine emerges. The Russian captain opens the hatch and asks the Chukcha: "Where did the American submarine go?" The Chukcha replies: "South-South-East bearing 159.5 degrees!" "Don't be a smart-ass," says the captain, "just point with your finger!"

[Fincuan]

:lol:

Good ones. Please keep them coming and this thread clean of political bs :up:

[Bruno Lotse]

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3021/2786134751_a2f062f7fb.jpg

[August]

I must point out that jokes are not positive "news". :up:

[AntEater]

Positive news:
Russia ranked third in the Olympics.
They won Eurovision :roll:
Zenith St. Petersburg beat FC Bayern in the UEFA cup finals.
FC Chelsea almost won the Champions league
:rotfl:

[Bruno Lotse]

Positive news:
Russia ranked third in the Olympics.
They won Eurovision :roll:
Zenith St. Petersburg beat FC Bayern in the UEFA cup finals.
FC Chelsea almost won the Champions league
:rotfl: Well, actually the USSR won the first in the Olympics
The former USSR - that is.
You see what Gorby did:down:

[Letum]

I must point out that jokes are not positive "news". :up:


ohhh...news....err...

Tractor production is up by 400%?

[August]

Tractor production is up by 400%?

You must ask yourself does anyone really need 400% more Russian tractors?

John Deere baby!

[Jimbuna]

A Brit, a Frenchman and a Russian are viewing a painting of Adam and Eve frolicking in the garden of Eden.
"Look at their reserve, their calm," muses the Brit. "They must be British".
"Nonsense," the Frenchman disagrees. "They're naked, and so beautiful. Clearly, they are French."
"No clothes, no shelter," the Russian points out, " they have only an apple to eat and they're being told this is paradise. They are Russian."

[Happy Times]

Another good ground were jokes flourished was the concentration camps.:hmm:

[geetrue]

Post away, as many people have said that only negative things about Russia are posted.

I seriously think the US Navy is a better Navy today, due to the Russians trying to be better than we are or were.

They did enjoy a little success with the special alloy hull that allowed the Russians to go deeper and faster. No advantage if you want to stand and fight of course lol

Without the underwater listening devices we have ... they might have won the cold war.

[Happy Times]

Post away, as many people have said that only negative things about Russia are posted.

I seriously think the US Navy is a better Navy today, due to the Russians trying to be better than we are or were.

They did enjoy a little success with the special alloy hull that allowed the Russians to go deeper and faster. No advantage if you want to stand and fight of course lol

Without the underwater listening devices we have ... they might have won the cold war.

Somehow i doubt that was the tipping point of Cold War.

[Letum]

Moral boosting old Soviet cartoons are still good. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibBb1ZZuM_I)

[UnderseaLcpl]

I seriously think the US Navy is a better Navy today, due to the Russians trying to be better than we are or were.

They did enjoy a little success with the special alloy hull that allowed the Russians to go deeper and faster. No advantage if you want to stand and fight of course lol

Without the underwater listening devices we have ... they might have won the cold war.

Too true. Russian subs are so efficient that they often sink themselves, eliminating the need for submarine warfare altogether.

[Bruno Lotse]

Yep.
They also sank 'Gustloff' :arrgh!:

[Thomen]

Yep.
They also sank 'Gustloff' :arrgh!:

It is more than questionable if it was such a 'heroic' feat or act. :roll:

[Bruno Lotse]

Torpedo attack of the century:smug:
:arrgh!:

Incidently, all torpedos on S13 had inscription
'Za Leningrad'.

'Get it for Leningrad'
Siege of Leningrad that is

[Thomen]

Torpedo attack of the century:smug:
:arrgh!:

Incidently, all torpedos on S13 had inscription
'Za Leningrad'.

'Get it for Leningrad'
Siege of Leningrad that is

Ya.. killing almost 10,000 civilians and refugee's is really a great act of bravery and heroism. ;)

[Happy Times]

Torpedo attack of the century:smug:
:arrgh!:

Incidently, all torpedos on S13 had inscription
'Za Leningrad'.

'Get it for Leningrad'
Siege of Leningrad that is

Ya.. killing almost 10,000 civilians and refugee's is really a great act of bravery and heroism. ;)

Its Bruno, if he gets bored he might bayonet babies.

[Thomen]

Torpedo attack of the century:smug:
:arrgh!:

Incidently, all torpedos on S13 had inscription
'Za Leningrad'.

'Get it for Leningrad'
Siege of Leningrad that is
Ya.. killing almost 10,000 civilians and refugee's is really a great act of bravery and heroism. ;)
Its Bruno, if he gets bored he might bayonet babies.

Well, lets wait and see what propaganda comes next.

[Bruno Lotse]

Torpedo attack of the century:smug:
:arrgh!:

Incidently, all torpedos on S13 had inscription
'Za Leningrad'.

'Get it for Leningrad'
Siege of Leningrad that is
Ya.. killing almost 10,000 civilians and refugee's is really a great act of bravery and heroism. ;)
Its Bruno, if he gets bored he might bayonet babies.
Well, lets wait and see what propaganda comes next.
Just tit for tat.

You killed our kids and women in Leningrad.
And enjoyed that act of killing for 900 days (check out Wochenshau 41-43 about
troops near Leningrad ).

Do not expect Russians bring back cookies.
They will come with vengence and bring along torpedos.

It's fair.

[Happy Times]

Torpedo attack of the century:smug:
:arrgh!:

Incidently, all torpedos on S13 had inscription
'Za Leningrad'.

'Get it for Leningrad'
Siege of Leningrad that is
Ya.. killing almost 10,000 civilians and refugee's is really a great act of bravery and heroism. ;)
Its Bruno, if he gets bored he might bayonet babies.

Well, lets wait and see what propaganda comes next.

This thread is about positive news from Russia, these must be things that make Bruno smile.:D

[Thomen]

Torpedo attack of the century:smug:
:arrgh!:

Incidently, all torpedos on S13 had inscription
'Za Leningrad'.

'Get it for Leningrad'
Siege of Leningrad that is
Ya.. killing almost 10,000 civilians and refugee's is really a great act of bravery and heroism. ;)
Its Bruno, if he gets bored he might bayonet babies.
Well, lets wait and see what propaganda comes next.
Just tit for tat.

You killed our kids and women in Leningrad.
And enjoyed that act of killing for 900 days (check out Wochenshau 41-43 about
troops near Leningrad ).

Do not expect Russians bring back cookies.
They will come and bring torpedos.
It's fair.

Only difference is, we do not run around claiming murdering innocent an act of bravery 60 years after the fact.
You are really doing a great job here in trying to show the heroism and the greatness of the former Soviet Union and modern day Russia. :up:

[Thomen]

Torpedo attack of the century:smug:
:arrgh!:

Incidently, all torpedos on S13 had inscription
'Za Leningrad'.

'Get it for Leningrad'
Siege of Leningrad that is
Ya.. killing almost 10,000 civilians and refugee's is really a great act of bravery and heroism. ;)
Its Bruno, if he gets bored he might bayonet babies.
Well, lets wait and see what propaganda comes next.
This thread is about positive news from Russia, these must be things that make Bruno smile.:D

Does this count as good news?
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080825/ap_on_re_eu/russia_georgia

[Bruno Lotse]

Those who bring the sword into Russia shall die by the sword.

Knjaz Alexander Nevskiy

http://www3.nameofrussia.ru/p/t_8826.jpg

http://www.nameofrussia.ru/person.html?id=41

It's always used to be and it always will be.

Learn it!!!

[Happy Times]

Torpedo attack of the century:smug:
:arrgh!:

Incidently, all torpedos on S13 had inscription
'Za Leningrad'.

'Get it for Leningrad'
Siege of Leningrad that is
Ya.. killing almost 10,000 civilians and refugee's is really a great act of bravery and heroism. ;)
Its Bruno, if he gets bored he might bayonet babies.
Well, lets wait and see what propaganda comes next.
This thread is about positive news from Russia, these must be things that make Bruno smile.:D

Does this count as good news?
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080825/ap_on_re_eu/russia_georgia

For Bruno im sure.

[Bruno Lotse]

Torpedo attack of the century:smug:
:arrgh!:

Incidently, all torpedos on S13 had inscription
'Za Leningrad'.

'Get it for Leningrad'
Siege of Leningrad that is
Ya.. killing almost 10,000 civilians and refugee's is really a great act of bravery and heroism. ;)
Its Bruno, if he gets bored he might bayonet babies.
Well, lets wait and see what propaganda comes next.
Just tit for tat.

You killed our kids and women in Leningrad.
And enjoyed that act of killing for 900 days (check out Wochenshau 41-43 about
troops near Leningrad ).

Do not expect Russians bring back cookies.
They will come and bring torpedos.
It's fair.
Only difference is, we do not run around claiming murdering innocent an act of bravery 60 years after the fact.
You are really doing a great job here in trying to show the heroism and the greatness of the former Soviet Union and modern day Russia. :up:
There were German Navy ships which were hunting Soviet Subs.
S13 fooled German Navy and executed technically perfect attack.
And then she avoided hunt in shallow waters (20-24 m) of the Baltic sea in that area.
It's bravery and perfect execution of their duties.

Capitan Marinescu received a Golden Star
of the Hero of the Soviet Union.

Just to rub you even more.
HSU Capt. Marinescu was extremely popular amongst post-war Soviet submariners. You might call him a God-like figure for them.

The boat S incidently is the Russian version of Type IX boat(Russians bought drawings
, acording to others sources NKVD "bought" drawings - you guys are so easy) .

S stands for 'Stalinets'.
So attack was executed by Stalinets-13.

[Thomen]

Torpedo attack of the century:smug:
:arrgh!:

Incidently, all torpedos on S13 had inscription
'Za Leningrad'.

'Get it for Leningrad'
Siege of Leningrad that is
Ya.. killing almost 10,000 civilians and refugee's is really a great act of bravery and heroism. ;)
Its Bruno, if he gets bored he might bayonet babies.
Well, lets wait and see what propaganda comes next.
Just tit for tat.

You killed our kids and women in Leningrad.
And enjoyed that act of killing for 900 days (check out Wochenshau 41-43 about
troops near Leningrad ).

Do not expect Russians bring back cookies.
They will come and bring torpedos.
It's fair.
Only difference is, we do not run around claiming murdering innocent an act of bravery 60 years after the fact.
You are really doing a great job here in trying to show the heroism and the greatness of the former Soviet Union and modern day Russia. :up:
There were German Navy ships which were hunting Soviet Subs.
S13 fooled German Navy and executed technically perfect attack.
It's bravery and perfect execution of their duties.

Capitan Marinescu received a Golden Star
of the Hero of the Soviet Union.

Just to rub you even more.
Capt. Marinescu was extremly popular amongst post-war Soviet submariners.

Oh you are not rubbing me, to be precise, you are of no consequence whatsoever :up:..
However, you are a sheer and constant source for amusement.

[Bruno Lotse]

<< Oh you are not rubbing me, to be precise, you are of no consequence whatsoever :up:.. >>
Why you hanging around then?
Heck, if I don't like a guy I am just skipping his threads. Simple like that.
You have nothing to do else in your life?

<<However, you are a sheer and constant source for amusement.>>
Ah, OK. Keep reading or even posting.
You might learn something.
The best learning is learning with fun.:rock:

[AntEater]

Marinescu was at the time justified to execute this attack.
Wilhelm Gustloff was not a designated hospital ship, she was under armed escort.
Same as Schwieger was justified to sink Lusitania in WW1 or Hartenstein was justified to sink Laconia.
However, after finding out who was actually aboard, I'd be a little less enthusiastic about that attack. Surely, from a military point of view it was a good attack, but killing 10.000 civilians is not a heroic deed.

Luftwaffe pilot Hans-Georg Bätcher expressed regret after he found out how many people he killed when he sank SS Armenia with his He-111 in 1942.

[Bruno Lotse]

Luftwaffe pilot Hans-Georg Bätcher expressed regret after he found out how many people he killed when he sank SS Armenia with his He-111 in 1942.
Might be.
How many regrets for 900 day thing?:down:
Do regrets return lives?

Just don't do it. And keep your regrets to yourself.


Those who bring the sword into Russia shall die by the sword.

Knjaz Alexander Nevskiy
Period. Nothing about regrets.
I am sure you know what happenned in 1240.

[August]

I've yet to see any German express joy over Leningrad like Bruno expresses over the deliberate rape and murder of innocent civilians. Perhaps that is why Germany is now a welcome member of western civilization while Russia finds itself ever more disliked and isolated.

We should give it a name. I nominate "Brunoism". :up:

[Digital_Trucker]

I've yet to see any German express joy over Leningrad like Bruno expresses over the deliberate rape and murder of innocent civilians. Perhaps that is why Germany is now a welcome member of western civilization while Russia finds itself ever more disliked and isolated.

We should give it a name. I nominate "Brunoism". :up:

I second the motion.

All in favor say "Aye"

Aye

[Thomen]

I've yet to see any German express joy over Leningrad like Bruno expresses over the deliberate rape and murder of innocent civilians. Perhaps that is why Germany is now a welcome member of western civilization while Russia finds itself ever more disliked and isolated.

We should give it a name. I nominate "Brunoism". :up:
I second the motion.

All in favor say "Aye"

Aye
Seyla!
err
Aye!

[Bruno Lotse]

I've yet to see any German express joy over Leningrad like Bruno expresses over the deliberate rape and murder of innocent civilians. Perhaps that is why Germany is now a welcome member of western civilization while Russia finds itself ever more disliked and isolated.

We should give it a name. I nominate "Brunoism". :up:
Have you got picture of 'flattened' Georgian village Igoeti?
Not yet?
You are still a lair.

You see it's easy for you guys to tell lies or do something nasty and then say 'sorry' and then again do nasty and again 'sorry, we regret'. So talk is cheap.

That's a value of so called 'regrets'

DO NOT DO IT.
If you still do - then have balls to pay for consequences full price with bonuses for future lessons.

Spare us from your "regrets".
None is accepted.
None is given.

[August]

I've yet to see any German express joy over Leningrad like Bruno expresses over the deliberate rape and murder of innocent civilians. Perhaps that is why Germany is now a welcome member of western civilization while Russia finds itself ever more disliked and isolated.

We should give it a name. I nominate "Brunoism". :up:
Have you got picture of 'flattened' Georgian village Igoeti?
Not yet?
You are still a lair.

You see it's easy for you guys to tell lies or do something nasty and then say 'sorry' and then again do nasty and again 'sorry, we regret'. So talk is cheap.

That's a value of so called 'regrets'

DO NOT DO IT.
If you still do - then have balls to pay for consequences full price with bonuses for future lessons.

Spare us from your "regrets".
None is accepted.
None is given.

Lessons? Haha. From you? Please. There is nothing you can teach me except how to fail at being a human being. Go ahead and gloat some more about murdered civilians. :roll:

[stabiz]

Every once a while a crazy person finds subsim, but where do they come from?

[Oberon]

Every once a while a crazy person finds subsim, but where do they come from?

We must have a magnet hidden somewhere, whenever it gets quiet Neal flicks it on... :lol:

[August]

I think it's the sites dark color scheme. :yep:

[Schroeder]

You killed our kids and women in Leningrad.
And enjoyed that act of killing for 900 days (check out Wochenshau 41-43 about
troops near Leningrad ).

Do not expect Russians bring back cookies.
They will come with vengence and bring along torpedos.

It's fair.
You know what the biggest difference is between us and people like you?

We have learned from our mistakes in the past and evolved from that way of thinking.
You are still trapped there in your old ways of hatred, fanaticism, ignorance and blindness.

[Digital_Trucker]

Have you got picture of 'flattened' Georgian village Igoeti?
Not yet?
You are still a lair.

You see it's easy for you guys to tell lies or do something nasty and then say 'sorry' and then again do nasty and again 'sorry, we regret'. So talk is cheap.

That's a value of so called 'regrets'

DO NOT DO IT.
If you still do - then have balls to pay for consequences full price with bonuses for future lessons.

Spare us from your "regrets".
None is accepted.
None is given.

http://209.85.12.227/1396/109/emo/lalala.gif

[Bruno Lotse]

You killed our kids and women in Leningrad.
And enjoyed that act of killing for 900 days (check out Wochenshau 41-43 about
troops near Leningrad ).

Do not expect Russians bring back cookies.
They will come with vengence and bring along torpedos.

It's fair.
You know what the biggest difference is between us and people like you?

We have learned from our mistakes in the past and evolved from that way of thinking.
You are still trapped there in your old ways of hatred, fanaticism, ignorance and blindness. There was a very popular book in late 20s called
'All quite on the Western Front' written by a German WWI veteran.

Germans looked like have their lessons learned...:damn:

Aha...

We don't buy words. We prefer knowledge of history and keeping powder dry.
How dry is it?
Well, ask Georgians.

[Bruno Lotse]

I've yet to see any German express joy over Leningrad like Bruno expresses over the deliberate rape and murder of innocent civilians. Perhaps that is why Germany is now a welcome member of western civilization while Russia finds itself ever more disliked and isolated.

We should give it a name. I nominate "Brunoism". :up: One vote! Russkiy Style
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3036/2785373346_cf7900fc79.jpg

[Happy Times]

You killed our kids and women in Leningrad.
And enjoyed that act of killing for 900 days (check out Wochenshau 41-43 about
troops near Leningrad ).

Do not expect Russians bring back cookies.
They will come with vengence and bring along torpedos.

It's fair.
You know what the biggest difference is between us and people like you?

We have learned from our mistakes in the past and evolved from that way of thinking.
You are still trapped there in your old ways of hatred, fanaticism, ignorance and blindness. There was a very popular book in late 20s called
'All quite on the Western Front' written by a German WWI veteran.

Germans looked like have their lessons learned...:damn:

Aha...

We don't buy words. We prefer knowledge of history and keeping powder dry.
How dry is it?
Well, ask Georgians.

Cut the BS, you make it sound like the Russians are eternal victims of others. Usually its the smaller neigbours that are victimising the peace loving Russians? Like you didnt play a part in starting WW2 and 1? LOL. All the other wars fought because Russian imperialism? Normally people would start to wonder is there some blame on them if their neigbours dont like them very much.

[Bruno Lotse]

<<Cut the BS, you make it sound like the Russians are eternal victims of others. Usually its the smaller neigbours that are victimising the peace loving Russians? Like you didnt play a part in starting WW2 and 1? LOL. All the other wars fought because Russian imperialism? Normally people would start to wonder is there some blame on them if their neigbours dont like them very much.>>

There's no neigbours.
There is 'cordone sanitaire' or lack of it.

There are also buyers, sellers, patsies.
Cordone sanitaire is built from patsies. Finland under Stalin from 1944 and on was a part of Russian 'cordone sanitaire'.
Simple like that.

1612 Polish occupied Moscow.
1812 French and Polish and Germans occupied Moscow.
1918 Germans occupied Kiev - 'the Mother of Russian Cities'.
1920 Polish occupied Kiev - 'the Mother of Russian Cities'.
1941 Germans were very close to occupy Moscow.

Heck. If you guys keep coming don't expect mercy. In German Army (Wehrmacht and Waffen-SS were representatives of all Western European nations). Just another Crusade against Russians.

Those who bring the sword into Russia shall die by the sword.

Knjaz Alexander Nevskiy

http://www3.nameofrussia.ru/p/t_8826.jpg

http://www.nameofrussia.ru/person.html?id=41

Knjaz Alexander Nevskiy defeated German Crusaders
on the ice of Pskov Lake (Russia) on April 5th 1242.

[Bruno Lotse]

Russian President Dmitriy Medvedev signed an Executive Order (Ukaz)
on recognition of independence of South Ossetia and Abkhazia.

Medvedev Forever!!!
Cheers! :lol::lol::lol:

P.S. Medvedev from Russian means something like
'a son of a bear' ;)
Bruno is happy.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/7/75/Theodor_Kittelsen-En_uheldig_bj%C3%B8rnejakt.jpg/300px-Theodor_Kittelsen-En_uheldig_bj%C3%B8rnejakt.jpg

[Jimbuna]

Russian President Dmitriy Medvedev signed an Executive Order (Ukaz)
on recognition of independence of South Ossetia and Abkhazia.

Medvedev Forever!!!
Cheers! :lol::lol::lol:

P.S. Medvedev from Russian means something like
'a son of a bear' ;)
Bruno is happy.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/7/75/Theodor_Kittelsen-En_uheldig_bj%C3%B8rnejakt.jpg/300px-Theodor_Kittelsen-En_uheldig_bj%C3%B8rnejakt.jpg

You should get out more.....see the sun and smell the air.

[joea]

...and to think Russians love to point fingers at the Western Allies for Dresden, Hiroshima etc. when by my reading, they were directly or indirectly responsible for more civilian deaths in Eastern Prussia and Germany proper than the Western Allies' bombing campaign.

Furthermore, there has been a LOT of soul-searching in the West over these actions. Yet this does not affect the general consensus that the struggle against the Axis aggressors was a just war. This soul searching also happens in some former Axis countries as well, especially Germany btw.

An expression of regret, without denying the overall justice of the Russian/Soviet struggle for self-preservation against the Nazis would do wonders for your relations with the rest of the world. Even if you guys admitted Russian crimes you could still point out the matter of disproportionate losses (American/Canadian/Even UK civilian losses < Axis civilian losses << Russian/Polish/Chinese civilian losses) and then we could debate the interpretation of THAT fact. ;)

Just as a final point I agree with Anteater that the Soviet sub commander was justified in attacking what appeared as a legitimate military target. What is disturbing is the lack of concern for civilian dead LOOKING BACK IN RETROSPECTIVE TODAY.

Bruno, take into consideration what I wrote, I usually take the Russian (or at least Allied) side here against what I see as soft Axis revisionism.

[Thomen]

<<Cut the BS, you make it sound like the Russians are eternal victims of others. Usually its the smaller neigbours that are victimising the peace loving Russians? Like you didnt play a part in starting WW2 and 1? LOL. All the other wars fought because Russian imperialism? Normally people would start to wonder is there some blame on them if their neigbours dont like them very much.>>

There's no neigbours.
There is 'cordone sanitaire' or lack of it.

There are also buyers, sellers, patsies.
Cordone sanitaire is built from patsies. Finland under Stalin from 1944 and on was a part of Russian 'cordone sanitaire'.
Simple like that.

1612 Polish occupied Moscow.
1812 French and Polish and Germans occupied Moscow.
1918 Germans occupied Kiev - 'the Mother of Russian Cities'.
1920 Polish occupied Kiev - 'the Mother of Russian Cities'.
1941 Germans were very close to occupy Moscow.

Heck. If you guys keep coming don't expect mercy. In German Army (Wehrmacht and Waffen-SS were representatives of all Western European nations). Just another Crusade against Russians.

Those who bring the sword into Russia shall die by the sword.

Knjaz Alexander Nevskiy

http://www3.nameofrussia.ru/p/t_8826.jpg

http://www.nameofrussia.ru/person.html?id=41

Knjaz Alexander Nevskiy defeated German Crusaders
on the ice of Pskov Lake (Russia) on April 5th 1242.
You are missing a couple of thing in your timeline

1801 Russia annexes Georgia
1929 Soviet Invasion of Manchuria
1939 German AND Soviet Russian forces occupy Poland
1939 Soviet invasion of Finland
1940 Soviet Russia occupies Estonia after a prolonged blockade
1959 Soviet invasion of Hungary
1968 Soviet invasion of Czechoslovakia
1979 Soviet Union invades Afghanistan
and a lot more other stuff



The list is longer then your arm, Bruno. Russia or the former Soviet Union is not the victim as you make it sound.

[joea]

The Soviet invasion of Czechoslovakia was 1968 mate.

So Bruno, any answer to me or to Thomsen? :roll:

More propaganda maybe.

[Thomen]

Just as a final point I agree with Anteater that the Soviet sub commander was justified in attacking what appeared as a legitimate military target.


Nobody is questioning the validity of the attack.

You said it yourself:

What is disturbing is the lack of concern for civilian dead LOOKING BACK IN RETROSPECTIVE TODAY.

And, IMHO, that is how many people see it. I certainly do.

[Thomen]

The Soviet invasion of Czechoslovakia was 1968 mate.

So Bruno, any answer to me or to Thomsen? :roll:

More propaganda maybe.

whoops typo.. thanks for catching that

[trekchu]

You killed our kids and women in Leningrad.
And enjoyed that act of killing for 900 days (check out Wochenshau 41-43 about
troops near Leningrad ).

Do not expect Russians bring back cookies.
They will come with vengence and bring along torpedos.

It's fair.
You know what the biggest difference is between us and people like you?

We have learned from our mistakes in the past and evolved from that way of thinking.
You are still trapped there in your old ways of hatred, fanaticism, ignorance and blindness.

Agreed. What annoys me most that those who are like that still claim moral superiority. :damn:

[OneToughHerring]

Not sure if it's a positive news from the point of view of Russia's enemies but the Zubr sure is impressive.

http://russianfun.net/interesting-galleries/worlds-largest-military-hovercraft/#more-6655

[Happy Times]

Old as news, but doesnt get mor positive than this.

Svetlana Izambaeva, Miss HIV positive 2005. Spotlight

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=AYRL98r-l2A

[Bruno Lotse]

<<Cut the BS, you make it sound like the Russians are eternal victims of others. Usually its the smaller neigbours that are victimising the peace loving Russians? Like you didnt play a part in starting WW2 and 1? LOL. All the other wars fought because Russian imperialism? Normally people would start to wonder is there some blame on them if their neigbours dont like them very much.>>

There's no neigbours.
There is 'cordone sanitaire' or lack of it.

There are also buyers, sellers, patsies.
Cordone sanitaire is built from patsies. Finland under Stalin from 1944 and on was a part of Russian 'cordone sanitaire'.
Simple like that.

1612 Polish occupied Moscow.
1812 French and Polish and Germans occupied Moscow.
1918 Germans occupied Kiev - 'the Mother of Russian Cities'.
1920 Polish occupied Kiev - 'the Mother of Russian Cities'.
1941 Germans were very close to occupy Moscow.

Heck. If you guys keep coming don't expect mercy. In German Army (Wehrmacht and Waffen-SS were representatives of all Western European nations). Just another Crusade against Russians.

Those who bring the sword into Russia shall die by the sword.

Knjaz Alexander Nevskiy

http://www3.nameofrussia.ru/p/t_8826.jpg

http://www.nameofrussia.ru/person.html?id=41

Knjaz Alexander Nevskiy defeated German Crusaders
on the ice of Pskov Lake (Russia) on April 5th 1242.
You are missing a couple of thing in your timeline

1801 Russia annexes Georgia
1929 Soviet Invasion of Manchuria
1939 German AND Soviet Russian forces occupy Poland
1939 Soviet invasion of Finland
1940 Soviet Russia occupies Estonia after a prolonged blockade
1959 Soviet invasion of Hungary
1968 Soviet invasion of Czechoslovakia
1979 Soviet Union invades Afghanistan
and a lot more other stuff



The list is longer then your arm, Bruno. Russia or the former Soviet Union is not the victim as you make it sound.
During the Great Nothern War 1700-21
The Russian tzar later the first Emperor Peter the Great
routed Swedes from baltic areas which are nowadays are called Baltic States.
Locals in those areas (Riga, Taillinn) would take an oath of eternal elligance as subjects to the Russian Crown, i.e. the Russian State.
If you take an oath - you keep it. It's Russian understanding anyways.

During 17th century Georgians were under onslaught of Persian Empire
which would like to occupy that country and put under knife as many Christians
as they possibly could. Under this onslaught Georgian rulers would appeal to only
visibly potent Christian state up north to take them as vassals and consequently provide military protection against Iranians.
Here's an extract of 1658 appeal of Tzar of Kakhetia Taimuraz
to the Russian Tzar Aleksei Mikhailovich where Tzar Taimuraz substantiates his request to become a vassal of the Russian state

«Когда мать моя с внуком приехала к старому шаху (Ирана), — говорил Теймураз, —
и била челом, чтобы он взял внука в аманаты (заложники) и брал с государства дань,
а разорения не чинил, то шах сказал моей матери, чтобы она послала и другого своего внука Леона,
а он, шах, которого внука в аманаты захочет, того и возьмет, а другого отпустит.
Моя мать взяла и другого внука Леона, но шах матери моей и детей не отпустил,
а прислал к ней, чтобы она обусурманилась (приняла ислам)...
Она отказала (сказав), что отнюдь веры христианской не отбудет.

Тогда шах отдал ее под стражу и велел мучить: сперва велел сосцы отрезать,
а после закаленными острогами исколоть и по суставам резать;
от этих мук мать моя пострадала за Христа до смерти,
а тело украл и привез ко мне доктор француз;
детей же моих обоих шах извалошил (кастрировал), и теперь они у него».


Kakhetia would keep on asking Russians protect them from Muslims since 1587.
It did not work out as Russians were weak to provide a real assistance.
Only in 1783 Georgia received such protection under a status of protectorate of the Russian Empire - read Russian vassal or patsy.
For the benefits of military protection and therefore being saved from Iranian knives
Georgians payed a price of giving an oath of eternal elligance to the Russian Crown, i.e. the Russian state. In the meantime, Georgian gentry got all the rights and duties of the Russian gentry. The great Russian war hero of Napoleonic Wars Prince Bagration was ethnically Georgian from the house of Georgian tzars - Bagrationi.
Knjaz Bagration would refer to himself as Russian. Interestingly, knjaz Bagration would constantly bicker with another Russian general Barklay de Tolly who was ethnically German from the Baltics. So both Georgian guy and the Baltic guy would call themselves Russians during Napoleonic Wars.

Georgia and Baltics were part and parcel of the Russian Empire.
Lenin let them go because he could not fight local nationalists quite yet.
Stalin brought them back within the borders of the Russian Empire according to the oath which they once took.
The Great Red Monarch was a great state builder (restorer of the Russian glory).

Finland is a spoil of Napoleonic wars. The only difference from Baltics - Finns had balls to fight back, therefore they proved they were serious about independence of their nation. Eventually, in 1944 Finnland became Stalin's patcy with their own Parliament and the stuff. Good deal both for Russians and for Finns.

Manchuria? There was Russian property called KVZhD and noone would allow to play with foreign property. Either pay or get ready to fight.

Poland 1939 by the time Soviets came in that territory did not have government. Instead of giving away to Germans and put Guderian's tanks closer to Moscow, it would be much smarter to stop them somewhere 500 km further West near Brest. Stalin did it. Good job.

Hungary, Chechs - hey patcies - you know your place or else.
Nowadays Chechs would reenact 1968 events. Look like they have nostalgia.

Afganistan? Legal request of the Afghani government according to the Treaty of assistance which existed between two countries. Nowadays Afgani would vote for the Soviet backed government of Dr.Nadzhibullah as the best political system which existed in the latest history.

[UnderseaLcpl]

Dear Russia and Germany,

HAHA! you guys had dictators and stuff, lol

Sincerely,
U.S.A.;)

Seriously, though, all major nations have done terrible things that they aren't proud of. With Germany it's always with the Jew-killing and the declaring war on everybody, with Russia it's the whole......letting Germany kill all the Russians thing, and the Russians killing all the Russians as well. Oh! And Jews.
Certainly, the U.S. isn't guiltless, we're always "liberating" this or that. And Britain....well.....at least they were polite when they were subjugating everyone.

Can't we all just let bygones be bygones?:D

[Konovalov]

Afganistan? Legal request of the Afghani government according to the Treaty of assistance which existed between two countries. Nowadays, Afgani would vote for the Soviet backed government of Dr.Nadzhibullah as the best political system which existed in the latest history.

And you base this on what? What do you determine as "latest history"?

[Bruno Lotse]

Didn't we bid 'fare thee well' to each other.
It means - good by, see ya, Auf Wiedersehen, Poka, Do neskorogo svidanja

[AJ!]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7583164.stm

Now Russia has made another stupid and ignorant move :shifty:

"Mr Medvedev said relations with the West were deteriorating sharply and that a new Cold War could not be excluded, but that Russia did not want one".

:down:

[August]

Afganistan? Legal request of the Afghani government according to the Treaty of assistance which existed between two countries. Nowadays, Afgani would vote for the Soviet backed government of Dr.Nadzhibullah as the best political system which existed in the latest history.
And you base this on what? What do you determine as "latest history"?

Your questions are embarrassing him and he doesn't want to talk to you any more Kon. Good job. :up:

[Happy Times]

Finland is a spoil of Napoleonic wars. The only difference from Baltics - Finns had balls to fight back, therefore they proved they were serious about independence of their nation. Eventually, in 1944 Finnland became Stalin's patcy with their own Parliament and the stuff. Good deal both Russians and for Finns.


Finland was a part of Sweden proper some 600 years, providing men and taxes for the all the wars. But Gustav IV Adolf was such weakling and incompetent in running the state that Finns felt betrayed. Alexander I of Russia had to only promise the Finns that they would keep their autonomy and their own goverment and laws. This deal was proken by the russification attempts, Finns felt betrayed.
Lenin didnt honor Finnish independence in 1918 but sopported the coup attempt in finland with arms and troops, Finns felt betrayed.
Stalin broke the non agression pact in 1939 and attacked, Finns felt betrayed.
We were never really neutral after -44, Finnish intelligence and military has secretly co-operated from since with the Americans.

[August]

We were never really neutral after -44, Finnish intelligence and military has secretly co-operated from since with the Americans.

You guys are our chill brosefs. Word.

[Bruno Lotse]

Finland is a spoil of Napoleonic wars. The only difference from Baltics - Finns had balls to fight back, therefore they proved they were serious about independence of their nation. Eventually, in 1944 Finnland became Stalin's patcy with their own Parliament and the stuff. Good deal both Russians and for Finns.

Finland was a part of Sweden proper some 600 years, providing men and taxes for the all the wars. But Gustav IV Adolf was such weakling and incompetent in running the state that Finns felt betrayed. Alexander I of Russia had to only promise the Finns that they would keep their autonomy and their own goverment and laws. This deal was proken by the russification attempts, Finns felt betrayed.
Lenin didnt honor Finnish independence in 1918 but sopported the coup attempt in finland with arms and troops, Finns felt betrayed.
Stalin broke the non agression pact in 1939 and attacked, Finns felt betrayed.
We were never really neutral after -44, Finnish intelligence and military has secretly co-operated from since with the Americans.
http://www.picamatic.com/show/2008/05/23/10/315652_469x120.gif

Do you know who is it?
Do you know who did Trotskiy and who organized it?

Read his book how Soviet NKVD/NKGB was using Finland as a Soviet spy base and
a clean entry into the West both prior to war and after it.
Soviets needed country like 'democratic Finland' as their window and their stargate.
And you guys keep on playing with your 'independence'.

The great Ukrainian hero and his clients.
Forget about 007 ;)

Quiz time: who are his clients (you see them)? Names please.

You know about ChK, OGPU, NKVD, KGB, right ;)

[Happy Times]

Finland is a spoil of Napoleonic wars. The only difference from Baltics - Finns had balls to fight back, therefore they proved they were serious about independence of their nation. Eventually, in 1944 Finnland became Stalin's patcy with their own Parliament and the stuff. Good deal both Russians and for Finns.

Finland was a part of Sweden proper some 600 years, providing men and taxes for the all the wars. But Gustav IV Adolf was such weakling and incompetent in running the state that Finns felt betrayed. Alexander I of Russia had to only promise the Finns that they would keep their autonomy and their own goverment and laws. This deal was proken by the russification attempts, Finns felt betrayed.
Lenin didnt honor Finnish independence in 1918 but sopported the coup attempt in finland with arms and troops, Finns felt betrayed.
Stalin broke the non agression pact in 1939 and attacked, Finns felt betrayed.
We were never really neutral after -44, Finnish intelligence and military has secretly co-operated from since with the Americans.
http://www.picamatic.com/show/2008/05/23/10/315652_469x120.gif

Do you know who is it?
Do you know who did Trotskiy and who organized it?

Read his book how Soviet NKVD/NKGB were using Finland as a Soviet spy base and
a clean entry into the West both prior to war and after it.

A great Ukrainian hero and his clients.
Forget about 007 ;)

Yes, you still have more spies here than in UK for exsample, just keeps the Finnish counter intelligence in good funding.
You ever wondered were the Finnish knowledge in IT and communications comes from?
Nokia is a visible part of the Finnish-American technology co-operation on SIGINT.
And why Finns have so good network and technology of radiation and seismology monitoring?
Finns have gone deep in USSR taking a peek at all types of targets, and im only talking about de-classified stuff here.
Maybe you shouldnt have betrayed us.:hmm:

[Bruno Lotse]

Can you answer the quiz? Oh you smart one.
That man was in Finland so many times.
It was his favorate route to the West 'to pay a visit' to his clients:arrgh!:

[Happy Times]

Can you answer the quiz? Oh you smart one.
That man was in Finland so many times.
It was his favorate route to the West 'to pay a visit' to his clients:arrgh!:

His Sudolatov or something like that.

[OneToughHerring]

Yes it's Pavel Sudoplatov, the Soviet spy-master. Later on he was imprisoned by Khruchov and while in jail he came up with the idea for the Spetnaz-troops. Later he fought to have his records cleared and managed to do that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_Tasks

That's his book where he claimed for example that Niels Bohr was the one who provided the Soviets with the info to build the nuclear bomb only 4 (?) years after the end of WW2.

[August]

So lets see if I understand my Brunoisms correctly:

Stalin, great soviet leader from Georgia, who now hate Russia's guts.
Great Ukranian assassin (Comrade Alphabet) for Soviets, Ukraine now also hating Russia's guts.
Finland, land of Great Soviet spy network, now hating Russia's guts.
Lithuania, former Soviet satellite, now hates Russia's guts
Estonia, former Soviet satellite, now hates Russia's guts
Latvia, former Soviet satellite, now hates Russia's guts
Poland, former Soviet satellite, now hates Russia's guts
Yugoslavia, only barely a Soviet satellite during reign of Tito, both nation and leader now defunct. Serbia, international pariah and home to mass murderers, only former Yugo province still liking Russians but still willing to ditch them in return for EU membership.

Have I forgotten anyone?

[Bruno Lotse]

Yes it's Pavel Sudoplatov, the Soviet spy-master. Later on he was imprisoned by Khruchov and while in jail he came up with the idea for the Spetnaz-troops. Later he fought to have his records cleared and managed to do that. Bravo.


http://photofile.ru/photo/novoross_73/2835184/56257896.jpg
General Lieutenant NKVD/NKGB Pavel Sudoplatov.

He was arrested in 1953 as he was a Beria man.
All senior officers arrested under the Beria case either shot themselves or went to court-martial and executed.
Pavel Sudoplatov simulated insenity. They could not put him on trail as long as he had 'mental illness'. So they were trying to make him crack doing all that fancy and very cruel stuff. But General Sudoplatov was a high pro. He would keep playing insane all through Khruschev times despite all horrendously cruel tests. They just couldn't crack him. He turned out sane again in a couple of years after Brezhnev came to power.
Forget about 007!!!
That's the man.

Spetsnaz in real meaning is GRU boys.
Sudoplatov had teams of the same kind which belonged to NKVD.
In WW2 they were NKVD partizans. One of the most famous teams was Medvedev.
And his master spy and hitman Nikolai Ivanovich Kuznetsov - Paul Ziebert.
These are Sudoplatov's guys.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ru/4/45/%D0%9A%D1%83%D0%B7%D0%BD%D0%B5%D1%86%D0%BE%D0%B2%2 C_%D0%9D%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%B9_%D0%9 8%D0%B2%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%87_%28%D1 %80%D0%B0%D0%B7%D0%B2%D0%B5%D0%B4%D1%87%D0%B8%D0%B A%29.jpg

Paul Ziebert
Really HSU Nikolai Ivanovich Kuznetsov
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikolai_Ivanovich_Kuznetsov


But how about General Sudoplatov's clients?
You guys know who they are?

[OneToughHerring]

Special Tasks is a very worthwhile book to read, only to give a glimpse of things "from the other side" for those from west. I found it very interesting and the book has many interesting stories from his time in WW2 etc.

Another interesting secret service figure is Markus Wolf from former East-Germany who has also written a good book about his career in the East-German secret service. Even today there is still much talk and court cases because of the former Stasi informants from Finland. People are being falsely accused etc. A real witch hunt even today. Have to hand it to these secret service guys from former Socialist nations, they were effective.

edit. Bruno Lotse,

Hmm, I don't know about those guys. Is Trotski one of them? He was assassinated by Sudoplatov's operative with an ice axe, if I remember correctly.

[Bruno Lotse]

Special Tasks is a very worthwhile book to read, only to give a glimpse of things "from the other side" for those from west. I found it very interesting and the book has many interesting stories from his time in WW2 etc.

Another interesting secret service figure is Markus Wolf from former East-Germany who has also written a good book about his career in the East-German secret service. Even today there is still much talk and court cases because of the former Stasi informants from Finland. People are being falsely accused etc. A real witch hunt even today. Have to hand it to these secret service guys from former Socialist nations, they were effective.

edit. Bruno Lotse,

Hmm, I don't know about those guys. Is Trotski one of them? He was assassinated by Sudoplatov's operative with an ice pick, if I remember correctly.
Trotksky - You are right. It's Sudoplatov and Eitington's work. They were behind
the hands who tried it once and failed and after a while made it happen.

Still quiz on. Who are other guys? They all mentioned in the book.

P.S. Markus Wolf ;)

[OneToughHerring]

I don't recognize those guys but I presume they were targets of Sudoplatov. Oh yea, one guy was killed with a bomb inside a box of chocolates.

[Happy Times]

I don't recognize those guys but I presume they were targets of Sudoplatov. Oh yea, one guy was killed with a bomb inside a box of chocolates.

That was some Russian imigrant, opposition or something.
I think he planned to kill Tito also.

[OneToughHerring]

Happy Times,

quite interesting what you told about the history of Nokia, haven't actually heard of that. Although it is worth noting that the CIA also forced the Finns out of a potentially lucrative business of building deep sea diving equipment that the Soviets bought.

[Happy Times]

Happy Times,

quite interesting what you told about the history of Nokia, haven't actually heard of that. Although it is worth noting that the CIA also forced the Finns out of a potentially lucrative business of building deep sea diving equipment that the Soviets bought.

Nokia had been producing commercial and military mobile radio communications technology since the 1960s. Since 1964 Nokia had developed VHF-radio simultaneously with Salora Oy, which later in 1971 also developed the ARP-phone. In 1979 the merger of these two companies resulted in the establishment of Mobira Oy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia#Telecommunications_era

The Finnish army intelligence had proved its worth in ww2 and the americans tought co-operation could benefit both. Some of the knowledge passed on to civilian business, same people worked in "signals test facility", universities and these companies.

[Bruno Lotse]

I don't recognize those guys but I presume they were targets of Sudoplatov. Oh yea, one guy was killed with a bomb inside a box of chocolates. You're right again

It's Yevhen Konovalets
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/04/JevhenKonovalec.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yevhen_Konovalets

You see, they say sweets are bad to teeth.
Well, sometimes even worse could happen.:arrgh!:
In Konovalets' case only a head and separated parts of body.


Those chocolates were delivered to Yevhen Konovalets by Sudoplatov himself.

Another guy left who really loved women.
Well, those women brought about his downfall.
He is in the strip.
Who is he?

[OneToughHerring]

I don't remember, it's been a while since I read the book. I know there were attempts against Tito but they didn't get him, he was too slippery for them. I remember reading that Tito was angered by the attempts of Stalin to kill him that he threatened to send his own guys against Stalin, and according to to Tito "he would only need to send one guy". He was a feisty fellow, that Tito.

[Bruno Lotse]

I don't remember, it's been a while since I read the book. I know there were attempts against Tito but they didn't get him, he was too slippery for them. I remember reading that Tito was angered by the attempts of Stalin to kill him that he threatened to send his own guys against Stalin, and according to to Tito "he would only need to send one guy". He was a feisty fellow, that Tito. Germans were trying to kill Stalin in WW2.
They prepared a hit group and even invented a small version of Panzerfaust to hit a car
in which they expected Stalin would arrive from his datcha to Kremlin. That contraption was supposed to be carried out under the coat and fired through a sleeve of a coat.
So they needed a coat according to ways the Russians would wear in Moscow with really wide sleeves. They ordered such a coat to one of tailors in Riga who ostensibly
knew the Moscow style. Unfortunately for Germans that tailor was in the network of NKVD agents. He made the order and informed his handlers. They were alerted and soon enough a guy and his partner (a lady) was captured still far away from Stalin.

OK. I will tell the other two guys in the quiz tomorrow.
Let's give other guys take their chances.
But you are good, indeed ;)

So, one guy died because he loved lots of women. I have no problem with that.
Another guy died because of 'a heat attack' caused by a fountain pen.