Obama sued.

[Fish]

http://www.americasright.com/2008/08/obama-sued-in-philadelphia-federal.html
A prominent Philadelphia attorney and Hillary Clinton supporter filed suit this afternoon in the U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of Pennsylvania against Illinois Sen. Barack Obama, the Democratic National Committee and the Federal Election Commission. The action seeks an injunction preventing the senator from continuing his candidacy and a court order enjoining the DNC from nominating him next week, all on grounds that Sen. Obama is constitutionally ineligible to run for and hold the office of President of the United States.

Phillip Berg, the filing attorney, is a former gubernatorial and senatorial candidate, former chair of the Democratic Party in Montgomery (PA) County, former member of the Democratic State Committee, and former Deputy Attorney General of Pennsylvania. According to Berg, he filed the suit--just days before the DNC is to hold its nominating convention in Denver--for the health of the Democratic Party.

With such friends you don't need enemys anymore. :-?

[Konovalov]

http://www.americasright.com/2008/08/obama-sued-in-philadelphia-federal.html
A prominent Philadelphia attorney and Hillary Clinton supporter filed suit this afternoon in the U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of Pennsylvania against Illinois Sen. Barack Obama, the Democratic National Committee and the Federal Election Commission. The action seeks an injunction preventing the senator from continuing his candidacy and a court order enjoining the DNC from nominating him next week, all on grounds that Sen. Obama is constitutionally ineligible to run for and hold the office of President of the United States.

Phillip Berg, the filing attorney, is a former gubernatorial and senatorial candidate, former chair of the Democratic Party in Montgomery (PA) County, former member of the Democratic State Committee, and former Deputy Attorney General of Pennsylvania. According to Berg, he filed the suit--just days before the DNC is to hold its nominating convention in Denver--for the health of the Democratic Party.

With such friends you don't need enemys anymore. :-?
Indeed. Sounds like sour grapes to me. :yep:

[AVGWarhawk]

Reading the article, Berg has a lot of burden of proof on forgery and actual country Obama was born. Then again, he must have some overwhelming evidence to file a suit. I'm still believe that there is more to Obama's story then what were are forced fed by the media darling.

[CaptHawkeye]

Reading the article, Berg has a lot of burden of proof on forgery and actual country Obama was born. Then again, he must have some overwhelming evidence to file a suit. I'm still believe that there is more to Obama's story then what were are forced fed by the media darling.

Probably not, given America's political system. I'm often left astounded at how easy it is to press charges against someone in America. Remember that you don't even need to WIN the court case to totally ruin someone either. The financial exhaustion of just defending one's self in court can often do a majority of the damage.

[Tchocky]

Eek. Sour grapes ahoy.

About backgrounds, everything goes under a microscope when someone is running for President. It's all there if you want to know about it. Waiting for the mass media to tell you won't work.

[AVGWarhawk]

Reading the article, Berg has a lot of burden of proof on forgery and actual country Obama was born. Then again, he must have some overwhelming evidence to file a suit. I'm still believe that there is more to Obama's story then what were are forced fed by the media darling.
Probably not, given America's political system. I'm often left astounded at how easy it is to press charges against someone in America. Remember that you don't even need to WIN the court case to totally ruin someone either. The financial exhaustion of just defending one's self in court can often do a majority of the damage.

Agreed! Place that "shadow of a doubt" is all that is need.

[Digital_Trucker]

Seems to me the Democratic party should have (or did they and we don't know it) looked into this long before now.

[August]

Seems to me the Democratic party should have (or did they and we don't know it) have looked into this long before now.

I'm thinking that it might be a way to prevent the GoP from using it. After all if the idea already has been rejected by the courts it will be hard to make it stick.

[Thomen]

Seems to me the Democratic party should have (or did they and we don't know it) have looked into this long before now.

Well, reading the above it is no surprise that Billary Clinton did not cede her campaign and just put it on hold.

[SUBMAN1]

Seems to me the Democratic party should have (or did they and we don't know it) have looked into this long before now.My thoughts too.

Hillary may be behind it.

-S

[Digital_Trucker]

It's going to get rather complicated since they're talking about citizenship laws at the time of his birth and since both of his parents were not citizens. I don't see it being solved overnight unless the "experts" Berg is referring to are total crackpots.

One thought, though. Does Congress have the power to grant citizenship to someone who otherwise does not qualify?

[August]

One thought, though. Does Congress have the power to grant citizenship to someone who otherwise does not qualify?

They have the ability to grant citizenship to anyone but to make an exception to the Presidential qualifications they'd have to change the constitution.

[Digital_Trucker]

One thought, though. Does Congress have the power to grant citizenship to someone who otherwise does not qualify?
They have the ability to grant citizenship to anyone but to make an exception to the Presidential qualifications they'd have to change the constitution.

Thanks:up:I don't see that happening before November, so I guess they can't solve the problem that way:rotfl:

[Task Force]

I forgot what happens if there is only one person to vote for.:hmm:

[Digital_Trucker]

I forgot what happens if there is only one person to vote for.:hmm:

Same thing that happens if there are 12 people to vote for. We get screwed:rotfl:

[AVGWarhawk]

One thought, though. Does Congress have the power to grant citizenship to someone who otherwise does not qualify?
They have the ability to grant citizenship to anyone but to make an exception to the Presidential qualifications they'd have to change the constitution.

They interpret the Constitution to their liking anyway. What is the difference?

[geetrue]

Seems to me the Democratic party should have (or did they and we don't know it) have looked into this long before now.My thoughts too.

Hillary may be behind it.

-S

Just to get to this point in time ... many conversations had to take place, many dinners, many drinks, many concerns.

What if it's true?

Did you know John McCain was born in a military hospital in Panama?

[SUBMAN1]

Just to get to this point in time ... many conversations had to take place, many dinners, many drinks, many concerns.

What if it's true?

Did you know John McCain ws born in a military hospital in Panama?Maybe, but a military hospital is still US soil. Also, what happened to him after that?

-S

[Digital_Trucker]

Seems to me the Democratic party should have (or did they and we don't know it) have looked into this long before now.My thoughts too.

Hillary may be behind it.

-S
Just to get to this point in time ... many conversations had to take place, many dinners, many drinks, many concerns.

What if it's true?

Did you know John McCain ws born in a military hospital in Panama?
Yes, and his parents were both US citizens on a US military installation at the order of the US government. I think he qualifies as a citizen.

[geetrue]

This man with the law suit, Phillip Berg, has been decieved before ... he thinks that 911 was an inside job. :down:

[Platapus]

Reading the article, Berg has a lot of burden of proof on forgery and actual country Obama was born. Then again, he must have some overwhelming evidence to file a suit. I'm still believe that there is more to Obama's story then what were are forced fed by the media darling.

Probably not, given America's political system. I'm often left astounded at how easy it is to press charges against someone in America. Remember that you don't even need to WIN the court case to totally ruin someone either. The financial exhaustion of just defending one's self in court can often do a majority of the damage.

Exactly, you don't need any evidence to sue someone. You need evidence to successfuly sue someone. But as Hawkeye stated, even being sued can ruin your life.

Let's hope the judge dismisses this case fast.

[FIREWALL]

I forgot what happens if there is only one person to vote for.:hmm:

Same thing that happens if there are 12 people to vote for. We get screwed:rotfl:

I nominate Digital Trucker for " Best and Funniest post of the Day " :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

[1480]

Don't you just love the timing of all of this, just prior to the DNC. Who is Berg aligned with? If he is aligned with the Clintons then the timing makes sense, throw the entire DNC into turmoil, and create the ultimate "what if" game. If BHO is the choice of the DP and just before the election say, it is proven that he is inelgible to become the POTUS, what happens next kiddies????

I've checked around a few other places and the GOP supposedly has a "smoking gun" in regards to this whole situation. Could be an interesting election.....

http://article.nationalreview.com/print/?q=MTgwZTVmN2QyNzk2MmUxMzA5OTg0ODZlM2Y2OGI0NDM

adding a few more logs in the fire.

[Digital_Trucker]

Berg is a big Clinton supporter. It's perfect timing for Hillary. Perfect timing for McCain would have been shortly after Obama was nominated.

Looks like the temporary restraining order has been denied, but the case left open until all parties are served. Looking like it might be good timing for McCain after all. Or Hillary can raise the spectre of what could happen and wrangle the nomination after all. Oooooooooooooooooooh, I just loooooooooooove politics:rotfl:

[1480]

See, living where I do, I've seen the man in action, and it hasn't me impressed one bit.

What scares the most out of me, is BHO's association with Ayers.

The Illinois political landscape is dotted with corruption, nepotism and divisiveness amongst all levels. This is the "battlefield" that BHO received his baptism from, so to speak.

BHO buying a house at under the market value and buying up some extra land for pennies on the dollar to build a deck is not headline news. The person whom he did these deals with, would later go to the federal pen for political corruption practices: business as usual here.

Maybe if he had cut his teeth in politics in another place I might consider him as a viable canidate, but if he gets elected, Chicago politics will be headed for DC. If you think this place has problems now, just wait.

DT: was that last line in your best Charles Nelson Riley voice? :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

[geetrue]

Don't you just love the timing of all of this, just prior to the DNC. Who is Berg aligned with? If he is aligned with the Clintons then the timing makes sense, throw the entire DNC into turmoil, and create the ultimate "what if" game. If BHO is the choice of the DP and just before the election say, it is proven that he is inelgible to become the POTUS, what happens next kiddies????


Riots from LA to NY come to mind :yep:

[Digital_Trucker]

DT: was that last line in your best Charles Nelson Riley voice? :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

Nah, more like Rip Torn:p:rotfl:

[Von Tonner]

Well...............?



http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

"We also note that so far none of those questioning the authenticity of the document have produced a shred of evidence that the information on it is incorrect. Instead, some speculate that somehow, maybe, he was born in another country and doesn't meet the Constitution's requirement that the president be a "natural-born citizen."

We think our colleagues at PolitiFact.com, who also dug into some of these loopy theories put it pretty well (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2008/jun/27/obamas-birth-certificate-part-ii/): "It is possible that Obama conspired his way to the precipice of the world’s biggest job, involving a vast network of people and government agencies over decades of lies. Anything’s possible. But step back and look at the overwhelming evidence to the contrary and your sense of what’s reasonable has to take over."
In fact, the conspiracy would need to be even deeper than our colleagues realized. In late July, a researcher looking to dig up dirt on Obama instead found a birth announcement that had been published in the Honolulu Advertiser on Sunday, Aug. 13, 1961:
http://www.factcheck.org/demos/factcheck/imagefiles/Image/Ask%20FactCheck%20Images/Birth%20Certificate/announcementclose-up.jpg (http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/2008/07/23/obama-was-born-in-hawaii-wrong-can-of-worms/)
Obama's birth announcement


The announcement was posted by a pro-Hillary Clinton blogger (http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/2008/07/23/obama-was-born-in-hawaii-wrong-can-of-worms/) who grudgingly concluded that Obama "likely" was born Aug. 4, 1961 in Honolulu.

Of course, it's distantly possible that Obama's grandparents may have planted the announcement just in case their grandson needed to prove his U.S. citizenship in order to run for president someday. We suggest that those who choose to go down that path should first equip themselves with a high-quality tinfoil hat. The evidence is clear: Barack Obama was born in the U.S.A.

–by Jess Henig, with Joe MillerSources
United States Department of State. "Application for a U.S. Passport (http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/100004.pdf)." Accessed 20 Aug. 2008.

State of Hawaii Department of Health. "Request for Certified Copy of Birth Record (http://hawaii.gov/health/vital-records/pdf/birth.pdf)." Accessed 20 Aug. 2008.

Hollyfield, Amy. "Obama's Birth Certificate: Final Chapter (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2008/jun/27/obamas-birth-certificate-part-ii/)." Politifact.com. 27 Jun. 2008.

[Von Tonner]

And this....

Finding that a Pennsylvania lawyer had committed a "laundry list of unethical actions," a federal judge has imposed more than $10,000 in sanctions and ordered the lawyer to complete six hours of ethics training.

U.S. District Judge J. Curtis Joyner's 10-page opinion in Holsworth v. Berg is packed with criticism of the conduct of attorney Philip Berg of Lafayette Hill, Pa.

"Other attorneys should look to Mr. Berg's actions as a blueprint for what not to do when attempting to effectively and honorably perform the duties of the legal profession," Joyner wrote.

www.law.com (http://www.law.com/jsp/article.jsp?id=1122023117263)

[Platapus]

BHO buying a house at under the market value and buying up some extra land for pennies on the dollar to build a deck is not headline news. The person whom he did these deals with, would later go to the federal pen for political corruption practices: business as usual here.

Sigh here we go again. :(

First of all Senator Obama did not buy the house under the market value. He bought it under the first asking price. There is a a huge difference between a houses market value and the asking price. Just ask any realtor.

How many people buy houses for the asking price? Would you pay the owner's first asking price or would you make a counter offer trying to get a better deal. The owners of the house dropped their price 15% which in the housing market is not unheard of. Why did the owner's drop their price? Because Obama was the highest offer they had.

Rita Rezko (not Tony Rezko) paid $625,000 for the adjacent lot. The same party owned both what would become the Obama house/lot and the Rita lot. If you have concerns about why the owner sold the house to Obama for that price, talk to the owner, not Tony Rezko.

Second In 2006, Obama purchased a 10 foot wide strip of the land owned by Rita. For this he paid $104,500. The price Obama paid for the 10 foot strip was above the assessed value of the land area. So much for Rita cutting Obama a deal.

Obama has since stated several times that he regretted buying the strip of land because it might give the impression of impropriety. How paying more for land than it was worth could be perceived as impropriety is hard for me to understand, but clearly, based on your post, you do. However no impropriety has been proven or even alleged by Federal/state prosecutors.

In the end of 2006 Rita sold the property for a net profit of $54,500. not a bad investment for about a year's worth of time. Rita sold the property to an ex business partner of Tony Rezko. Yet another guy who knows a guy weak association.

All this has been out in the open. No cover-ups. No conspiracy.

"The person whom he did these deals with, would later go to the federal pen for political corruption practices: business as usual here."

That is simply inaccurate. Tony Rezko was the one person going to the Pen, Rita Rezko was not. I suppose, if you want to, you can make the argument that a wife and husband are one person, but the law does not agree with that argument.

If you want to involve Tony Rezko in to the deal, I would ask you to submit some evidence indicating this. Guilt by association is a specious argument.

So don't vote for Obama for many reasons. This house deal should not be one of them. It is, in Willies words Much ado about nothing.

[OneToughHerring]

About time to get rid of that stupid "has to be born in USA to be president" - rule.

[Thomen]

About time to get rid of that stupid "has to be born in USA to be president" - rule.
Agreed! I wanna run for office! :|\\

Edit: Get rid if the must be born as citizen rule too. Than I can definitively run for it.

[Platapus]

About time to get rid of that stupid "has to be born in USA to be president" - rule.


Do other countries have similar requirements for their president/PM/Chancellor/ Grand Pooba?