View Full Version : Why are the Russians robbing incocent people?
SUBMAN1
08-21-08, 04:22 PM
http://www.youtube.com/swf/l.swf?video_id=wQ9yUnvNnNA&rel=1&eurl=&iurl=http%3A//i4.ytimg.com/vi/wQ9yUnvNnNA/default.jpg&t=OEgsToPDskIZU7Z1ZYiAte0h-l3h6EEK&use_get_video_info=1&load_modules=1&=
That really ticks me off! These people already have very little.
-S
http://www.youtube.com/swf/l.swf?video_id=wQ9yUnvNnNA&rel=1&eurl=&iurl=http%3A//i4.ytimg.com/vi/wQ9yUnvNnNA/default.jpg&t=OEgsToPDskIZU7Z1ZYiAte0h-l3h6EEK&use_get_video_info=1&load_modules=1&=
That really ticks me off! These people already have very little.
-S
Yep rather sad really..
*cue entry Bruno stage left*
Bruno Lotse
08-21-08, 04:40 PM
Your old friends Muslims from Chechen battalion Vostok
http://content.foto.mail.ru/list/t34ssmirnoff/illustrations/i-1555.jpg
After Iraq these guys fell in love with Russians
http://content.foto.mail.ru/list/t34ssmirnoff/illustrations/i-1549.jpg
It's them. They are just sharing colors
http://content.foto.mail.ru/list/t34ssmirnoff/illustrations/i-1556.jpg
They are exremly good fighters. Real warriors
http://content.foto.mail.ru/list/t34ssmirnoff/illustrations/i-1548.jpg
But they are also very tough guys.
They do not fight 'Western-type' wars.
They have their own - 'Jihad style'.
Ask your guys in Iraq or Afganistan what kind of 'knights in shining armour'
their enemy is.
SUBMAN1
08-21-08, 04:53 PM
Yep rather sad really..
*cue entry Bruno stage left*Right on cue man! :D :rotfl:
With more fantasy land BS too! The biggest BS no less! :lol:
-S
PS. A question for Bruno - Do you realize that no one really supports your fantasy land? Or are you just like this always?
nikimcbee
08-21-08, 04:54 PM
http://www.youtube.com/swf/l.swf?video_id=wQ9yUnvNnNA&rel=1&eurl=&iurl=http%3A//i4.ytimg.com/vi/wQ9yUnvNnNA/default.jpg&t=OEgsToPDskIZU7Z1ZYiAte0h-l3h6EEK&use_get_video_info=1&load_modules=1&=
That really ticks me off! These people already have very little.
-S
Russian soldiers looting, now there's a first:nope: :roll: .
On a side note, I don't remember how many ethnic Russian citizens were killed by russian soldiers in Chechnya. I wouldn't want to be in there path.
Bruno Lotse
08-21-08, 04:58 PM
If it's not interesting what i am talking about or displaying about -
just disregard my posts and threads.
For instance, I do not read posts by Happy Time.
I think, he's an idiot and therefore does not worth my time.
Do it to me. You don't like - don't read it.
However, please, check the counter in my threads.
It's impressive, isn't it?
So some folks (and looks like many folks) would be interested
to look at the tree from another side of trenches.:yep:
VipertheSniper
08-21-08, 05:01 PM
Already put him on ignore, as I a) don't want to waste my bandwidth with pictures that tell us absolutely nothing apart from that there's a war and b) because of his drivel.
Digital_Trucker
08-21-08, 05:06 PM
How can you put him in ignore? He's just sooooooooo entertaining (in a sick, twisted kind of way). :arrgh!:
SUBMAN1
08-21-08, 05:11 PM
Russian soldiers looting, now there's a first:nope: :roll: .
On a side note, I don't remember how many ethnic Russian citizens were killed by russian soldiers in Chechnya. I wouldn't want to be in there path.
Well, I can understand them wanting to rob people since Russians don't have much. But the poor stealing from the poor and helpless, now that really gets me. Maybe I have heart, but it's not a good feeling that is in it when I hear these things.
To do these things in America is instant court marshall.
-S
VipertheSniper
08-21-08, 05:11 PM
How can you put him in ignore? He's just sooooooooo entertaining (in a sick, twisted kind of way). :arrgh!:
Not really.
Platapus
08-21-08, 06:49 PM
Like so often in these situations, we have the politicos on both sides fighting each other with no one giving a crap about the civilians caught in the middle. :nope:
People suck :down:
Bruno Lotse
08-21-08, 06:51 PM
Like so often in these situations, we have the politicos on both sides fighting each other with no one giving a crap about the civilians caught in the middle. :nope:
People suck :down:
Yep
Stealth Hunter
08-21-08, 11:14 PM
Probably because the Russian soldiers and people, like the Georgians, are extremely poor.
Communism is not an effective system. Unless you can get people to follow it without question and if you can get them to remain loyal to it for eternity, then it will not work. You'll always have a person who wants more than everyone else.
In short: they're looting and robbing because they need money (only their leaders and business moguls have wealth; the bulk of the Russian army consists of kids who grew up on farms and were dirt poor to boot).
I've been hearing on the news about Russian soldiers looting the bodies of dead Georgians, which really isn't anything new. Hell, they've been doing that since the days of the Seleucid Empire.
I can remember, from 1987, we entered this Iraqi trench. It had been cleared out the day before by our choppers, and we were to secure it. Most of the Iraqis had cleared out and ran for their dear lives the instant the choppers came, but the ones who were dead... some of them had some pretty nice stuff on them (gold rings, gold and silver crowns on their teeth, good-luck necklaces with gems in them, you know the deal). I saw several of our guys take things off their bodies, and with that said, you could make quite a bit of money off something as simple as a gold-plated chain to a necklace or bracelet (IF you could get away with selling it).
Now it's not any different with the Russians and the Georgians today. There's money to be made off it. Of course in our case, you couldn't sell them to people on the street for an insane price (all items of material value had to be given to the government to finance the war; failure to comply would be breaking the law), but there are black markets in every military the world over. If you could find a scrounger, you could buy just about anything you could imagine. Of course, most of it was crap, but the point is there's a fortune to be made off the misfortune of others.
War creates its own little economies and businesses.
XabbaRus
08-22-08, 02:30 AM
Russian soldiers looting, now there's a first:nope: :roll: .
On a side note, I don't remember how many ethnic Russian citizens were killed by russian soldiers in Chechnya. I wouldn't want to be in there path.
Well, I can understand them wanting to rob people since Russians don't have much. But the poor stealing from the poor and helpless, now that really gets me. Maybe I have heart, but it's not a good feeling that is in it when I hear these things.
To do these things in America is instant court marshall.
-S
Quantify Russians don't have much? Hey it isn't the early 90's.
Just came back from there for 2 weeks and it seems quite a lot of Russians have quite a lot of stuff. And I'm not just talking about Moscow and its locale, but was also talking to a fair number of old friends in Tomsk and they have decent paying jobs, cars (not ladas either). There is a burgeoning middle class over there.
As for the soldiers. Yep they aren't paid much, well consripts are, I'm not sure about the ones on contract I think about $800-1000 is the average for a full time soldier.
Soldiers looting dead people. What's new in that and it isn't anything unique to the Russians, all sides in war do it....as pointed out by Stealth.
I might point out for those who apparently haven't watched the video that the people who the Russians robbed are not dead.
Bruno Lotse
08-22-08, 09:48 AM
One of "robbers" and his loot :damn:
http://talks.guns.ru/forums/icons/forum_pictures/001447/1447286.jpg
Frame57
08-22-08, 10:58 AM
Several years ago. I caught a hispanic fellow stealing my extension ladder right out of my yard in broad daylight. I let my Rottie out of the basement to scare the crap out of him then I locked the gate and called the police. When they showed up after their coffe and donut break the officer was asking the man what he was intending to do with the ladder. The Mexican replied, " I was not stealing it, just think of it as changing hands." Well off to jail he went, and the officer told me that what they find is that the mexicans think they have entitlement to what we have here in California because it once belonged to mexico. Maybe that is how the russinas feel about Georgia.
Happy Times
08-22-08, 11:00 AM
I might point out for those who apparently haven't watched the video that the people who the Russians robbed are not dead.
They were lucky.
NATO on the other hand never robs civilians in hostile countries, they just kill them "accidentaly" :damn:
How come you keep referring to NATO like you weren't a part of it? Aren't you French?
Happy Times
08-22-08, 11:14 AM
NATO on the other hand never robs civilians in hostile countries, they just kill them "accidentaly" :damn:
How come you keep referring to NATO like you weren't a part of it? Aren't you French?
He is slightly anarchistic, he was tested, world citizen maybe.:lol:
Sure I'm French, doesn't mean I can't criticise France does it ? When I say NATO I mean it as a whole, otherwise I could have just said "the US" :D
I don't mean anything bad, it's just interesting this ability for people, Europeans especially, to act like their government is some kind of independent entity completely separate from the people.
Digital_Trucker
08-22-08, 11:38 AM
Sure I'm French, doesn't mean I can't criticise France does it ? When I say NATO I mean it as a whole, otherwise I could have just said "the US" :D
I don't mean anything bad, it's just interesting this ability for people, Europeans especially, to act like their government is some kind of independent entity completely separate from the people.
That could be said for us, too. (Thought I'd say it before anyone else did:D)
That could be said for us, too. (Thought I'd say it before anyone else did:D)
Yeah i've seen signs of that kind of thinking over here but not anywhere near to the degree that Europeans have polished the concept.
Digital_Trucker
08-22-08, 11:45 AM
I didn't say I liked my people either :D
:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::|\\
I don't mean anything bad, it's just interesting this ability for people, Europeans especially, to act like their government is some kind of independent entity completely separate from the people.
Speaking as a brit, when you have government like the blair/brown monkey-show, this is hardly a concept we have to make much effort at understanding. :roll:
I think you'll find many of us brittishers wholeheartedly believe that our government is looking out for itself and the vested interests of big business, whilst the 'electorate' are merely viewed as batteries for the economy, ready to prop up the latest in a long line of bad fiscal initiatives.
I don't mean anything bad, it's just interesting this ability for people, Europeans especially, to act like their government is some kind of independent entity completely separate from the people.
Speaking as a brit, when you have government like the blair/brown monkey-show, this is hardly a concept we have to make much effort at understanding. :roll:
I think you'll find many of us brittishers wholeheartedly believe that our government is looking out for itself and the vested interests of big business, whilst the 'electorate' are merely viewed as batteries for the economy, ready to prop up the latest in a long line of bad fiscal initiatives.
That, honestly, sounds like most Governments are.
I don't mean anything bad, it's just interesting this ability for people, Europeans especially, to act like their government is some kind of independent entity completely separate from the people.
Speaking as a brit, when you have government like the blair/brown monkey-show, this is hardly a concept we have to make much effort at understanding. :roll:
I think you'll find many of us brittishers wholeheartedly believe that our government is looking out for itself and the vested interests of big business, whilst the 'electorate' are merely viewed as batteries for the economy, ready to prop up the latest in a long line of bad fiscal initiatives.
Yeah but who makes up the government if not the people they govern? It's not like a nobility system where only those born in certain families can work for the government is it?
Happy Times
08-22-08, 12:56 PM
I don't mean anything bad, it's just interesting this ability for people, Europeans especially, to act like their government is some kind of independent entity completely separate from the people.
Speaking as a brit, when you have government like the blair/brown monkey-show, this is hardly a concept we have to make much effort at understanding. :roll:
I think you'll find many of us brittishers wholeheartedly believe that our government is looking out for itself and the vested interests of big business, whilst the 'electorate' are merely viewed as batteries for the economy, ready to prop up the latest in a long line of bad fiscal initiatives.
Yeah but who makes up the government if not the people they govern? It's not like a nobility system where only those born in certain families can work for the government is it?
I dont know about UK, they are kind of feodal still, we dont have that.
Jimbuna
08-22-08, 12:57 PM
Under the curent electoral system used in the UK, a minority of people vote for a government and give them the ability to govern over the majority.
Apathy is one of the few growth industries left in the UK :nope:
Digital_Trucker
08-22-08, 12:58 PM
Yeah but who makes up the government if not the people they govern? It's not like a nobility system where only those born in certain families can work for the government is it?
I might beg to differ with the idea that anyone can be elected to the highest offices in government. Check out what is spent buying the presidency or a seat in Congress.
sergbuto
08-22-08, 01:05 PM
Yeah but who makes up the government if not the people they govern?
Yes, that's right, but I've seen in very many cases how being in power changes people to the worse (some of those used to be friends of mine).
Sure I'm French, doesn't mean I can't criticise France does it ? When I say NATO I mean it as a whole, otherwise I could have just said "the US" :D
I don't mean anything bad, it's just interesting this ability for people, Europeans especially, to act like their government is some kind of independent entity completely separate from the people.
In Germany too it's quite common that the people do not identify themselves with their government.
As almost all things this has a positive and a negative effect: The positive effect is that the government is strictly monitored but the negative part is that a considerable amount of people trust more non-government organizations which have their own goals and are not more trust-worthy (or even less)
One major example for this is that a majority of Germans deny the military engagement in Afghanistan and therefore it is very tough for the German government to reduce the Rules of Engagement regulations and the scope of the engagement.
I might beg to differ with the idea that anyone can be elected to the highest offices in government. Check out what is spent buying the presidency or a seat in Congress.
What is spent is other peoples money, donations and contributions, etc. Yeah you got people like Hillary donating millions in her own campaign but that was only because her contributions dried up.
Maybe i'm misunderstanding you DT.
Digital_Trucker
08-22-08, 02:45 PM
I might beg to differ with the idea that anyone can be elected to the highest offices in government. Check out what is spent buying the presidency or a seat in Congress.
What is spent is other peoples money, donations and contributions, etc. Yeah you got people like Hillary donating millions in her own campaign but that was only because her contributions dried up.
Maybe i'm misunderstanding you DT.
Well, yes, it is mostly other peoples money, but you have to have connections to get those other people to donate money and connections require money. I might blow my own theory out of the water, but I wonder what the least net worth of any person holding a seat in Congress is?
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