Using Commander 3.1 for the first time

[Paul Riley]

I am at this moment dling the Commander 3.1 pack,as I feel its time I finally discarded the old way of playing,and really got into the 'meat' of this game.This is my first step anyway,and if everything goes ok then I will go for the other major add-ons.But for now I will tinker around with Comm for a while.What I need to know is this:

1: I am currently in mid campaign and would like to continue with my current campaign,this I understand is fine with Commander?.
2: It can be installed with no problems over the stock game,with no other add-ons/patches etc?.
3: What else do I need to know?.

Finally,I would like to thank a few individuals in here who have helped me so far in understanding the intricate installation process for all the mods for this game,and this is just a final verification on my part,before I finally install it into my game.

:up:

[Murr44]

Not too sure about #1. #2 - Yes no problems. It's a stand alone add-on that needs no other mods installed. #3. Check my reply to your thread here: http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=140859 . Page 2.

[Paul Riley]

Thanks for that murr.
I think my best bet is to just make a backup of my current campaign profile,and install Comm. straight over the current game version i'm using,and if I run into any noticeable problems I still have my old backup.
Lastly,regarding problems during mid campaign,1 or 2 people in here have said that it shouldnt cause any problems,but with the other major add-ons I would need to start a new campaign.
As I say,i'll give comm. a go in about 30mins (dl time remaining) thats bleedin dial up for you :nope:

Cheers anyway pal :up:

[Murr44]

Tell me about it!:roll: I've had dial up for 6 years now & I'm thoroughly sick of it.:down: :down: The only reason that I haven't switched to Hi-Speed is my current pricing plan: unlimited access for less than $20 Cdn per month.

[Paul Riley]

Tell me about it!:roll: I've had dial up for 6 years now & I'm thoroughly sick of it.:down: :down: The only reason that I haven't switched to Hi-Speed is my current pricing plan: unlimited access for less than $20 Cdn per month.

That sounds similar to my setup too.I pay about £10 for 120hrs a month internet access with my current account with BT.That is about $20 also.
I'm fed up of it too,seriously thinking of upgrading to Broadband asap,which is about £20/mth ($40).
Say,I have noticed dial up has degraded quite bad recently,have you?.Seems to be getting slower and slower.When I first signed up about 10yrs ago I was getting 56kbps,now I am averaging at 46-48kbps,very rarely managing 56 anymore.Could also be due to a massive influx of new users globally,putting even more stress on us dialers! :nope:

Good job I am patient though ;)

[Paul Riley]

Well murr,the dl has just finished,after just over 1 hr!

*rubs hands excitedly*
I'll let you know how things go,later on.

:up:

[Murr44]

Well I'm not that patient. My ISP recently deleted 2 of their access numbers for my area; which is a large city. So now I only have 2 access numbers left to use when signing on.:nope: If I'm d'ling add-ons/mods for SH 3, etc. I always burn them to cds. One of these days I'm going to call my cable TV company & see if I can get a bundle package. Then I'll tell my current ISP that they can take their crappy service & shove it up their collective rectal cavities!

A couple of people here were kind enough to send me GWX on dvd, otherwise I'd never have gotten it. When you think that you're ready for that you should ask around, explaining your situation & I'm sure someone will do the same for you.

For now I think that you'll be prety pleased with SH3 Cmdr. You will probably wonder how/why you played the game without it.:D

Good hunting...:up:

[Paul Riley]

Well,I finally managed to dl Commander,and everything seems fine,no conflicts or anything,and more importantly my current campaign is fine.I really didnt want to have to start again.The version I got was 1.3,is that the latest one out there?.
I like it,there are some nice tweaks in that add-on.
What I like most I think is the career building and editing.All I need to edit my log/s is the log editor program?,just that straight over the Commander install?,no other patches/fixes etc?.

Thanks a lot :up:

[Sailor Steve]

Sorry I didn't get here sooner. I would have told you that Commander is completely external, and though it overrides in-game commands, it doesn't really work like a mod and is pretty much safe. I would have recommended waiting until the current patrol was finished anyway, just because I'm a worry-wart.

1: skip into movies - I have checked this,as I thought it disables the standard SHIII loading screen/s,but it doesnt,maybe it refers to other mods?
No, it just cuts out the intro movie - the one that plays before the game loads - the one you always click on after the first five times watching it, just to make it go away.

2:Rollback - check.This seems the safest way to initiate Commander with SHIII,just in case I forget to do it manually.
JScones used to pull his hair out every time someone had a problem with Commander: "Did you roll back before installing the mod?" I use the 'Auto-Rollback' function just because it's so much easier, and I don't really do a lot of modding, so I don't ever need to not 'Roll Back'.

3: Fonts - default
I was using a nice period typewriter font for awhile, but when I saw that the Log Editor actually affects the in-game report I went back to the original. Hand-written for the log, typed for the SH3 report.

4: start patrols at sea - I really like this one,and will surely speed up my time on patrol,as there was nothing more annoying than sailing past the same bloody scenery everytime.What we really want,is to get out there!.
I don't. With GWX and the Holtenau and Brunsbuttel locks mods installed, I like to spend my time cruising out of the harbor and watching all the ships come and go. Of course I did it for real once upon a time, and still miss it.

5: simulate career length - I am in 2 minds about this one.I dont really want my current campaign terminated due to random events,so I left this one.Obviously,this is there to provide extra realism for those that need it.Maybe I will enable it on a future career.
I played a lot of SH1 back in the day, and I've always like the idea that sooner or later I would be promoted to command the training school or some such. Of course you can always 'Un-Retire', or, with the newest version, continue the same boat with a new kaleun.

6: simulate crew transfers - similar to the above,i'm not sure if to have it or not.This is if you want extra realism I suppose,and for those that dont mind micro-managing every detail.
With the earlier versions you would find that someone had transferred out, or...(don't want to spoil any surprises here), and you needed to replace him. With this newest version (the one you have) he is replaced automatically. Also cool is the new feature that randomizes the crew. Your starting crew has a chance of having some experienced hands already in place.

7: historical uboat avail - I checked this,as I dont mind having real uboat dates,this wont adversely affect my playing style at all.
:yep:

8: randomize days at base - I left this,I would rather pick my own days spent on 'leave' ,which is probably what happened anyway?.Not too sure.

9: set days on base - This I like,and I have set my current leave as 7 days.A week between patrols seems a realistic number?.And does this also allow us to get back out there more regularly?,with upto 4 patrols a month if thats what you wanted?,or do you still have a certain amount of days that the game sets as default?,like for repairs and stuff.
I use the Randomizer, because I like the variety. Even a captain is at the mercy of his superiors and the harbormaster. Sometimes something will need replacing and they don't have the part etc. I've spent 40 days in base, and one time after an empty patrol and my type II coming home with all its eels, they had me turned around and back at sea in just five days. I like that part. The stock setting is 28 days because, on average, that was the amount of time spent in base refitting and refurbishing.

10: real ship names - I like that,makes your attacks feel more,personal?,and like you really DID sink something,and not just another 'C3'.Nice touch that.
My absolute favorite part; so much so that I've had some complaints about it from the beginning which I've been working on for ages to fix. Coming soon.

11: randomize GP - I like to pick and choose for a certain moment,like Wagner's ROTV as I am smashing through the waves trying to catch up with my prey! :arrgh!:
Unfortunately you still won't be able to "pick and choose", since all it does is...randomize them. Still, it's better than having to listen to the same ones over and over as the stock system always starts at the top.

12: Hull text - I have this on.Again this is a realism thing,and was this designed to make engagements more riskier?,as you really never know exactly what state the hull is in.If so,then I can see the point with this tweak :o .Maybe another time.
I have it turned on. Sure, there was nothing like that in real life, but in the game you don't get reports from the Chief, recommending that you do this or don't do that, so I see it as a guideline on how to behave.

13: fatigue - off.I dont like messing around with sailors that are moaning about being tired all the time.Again,for those who like to micro-manage everything.
SH4's fatigue is completely revised, with rotating watch bills and all. As I recently reported elsewhere, I use 'GWX 8-hour' fatigue. No, it's not realistic to have to babysit the crew 24/7, but I always have this nagging feeling that I'm cheating somehow if I don't use it. Silly me.

14: water clarity - This is the most interesting one I find.There are a lot of differing opinions on this,so I will go with what most of you lot think.As seas around the world differ in clarity,so then maybe this tweak can be applied for different areas as you pass through them?.I have a round number of 10 at the moment.I tried 3 and its really murky,is that realistic?.Actually,the more I think about it I get the feeling that not many uboat commanders actually used the scopes to navigate underwater,after all the Hydrophones do a better job.Observing underwater though can help as DCs are dropping,or when trying to visually track a ship while keeping close contact with him.
Please,let me know what you think about this aspect of the program,and a good setting.
Mine is set for 3, though I was using 2 for awhile and am thinking of going back. I've seen water that was clear for hundreds of feet, and I've seen extremely clear underwater photos, but I'm mostly used to not being able to see more than a few yards underwater, and I like the opening seen of Das Boot where the sub comes swimming out of the murk. Sure, you lose the standard 'movie' view in which you can see the destroyer's keel and the sub and the depth charges, but it feel more real to me.

15: Wave height - I like this one,and I have chose the 'seasonal' option,as I reckon this is most accurate.Where would you use the higher waves?
I was a user and fan of the original 'Big Waves' mod. The theory is that the game only goes to 15 m/s winds, or about 30 knots, which is a moderately choppy sea. Since it couldn't be made to go higher, the creator just doubled the wave size, so you could pretend it was full-blown gale, and the result was pretty cool. This also let me set the deck-and-flak gun use higher (which GWX already does), and just not man the deck gun when I could see waves washing over it.

I kept my Commander setting to '2x' for a long time, as during the summer months it wasn't a problem anyway, but these days I use 'Seasonal'. This changes the wave heights: 2x in the winter, 1.25x in the spring and fall and 1x in the summer.

16: I have left the deck gun settings,I think they are ok at the moment,again,for extremists hehe.
10 seconds for the 8.8cm and 12 seconds for the 10.5cm for me.

17: Malfunctions - interesting this one,and I chose to enable it.As soon as I fired my last save up I noticed the speed dial was going up and down and not appearing stable.I had pre set the speed to 12kts earlier,and it seems now I am barely making about 9kts.Is this then related to the transmission element of the tweak.It does serve to make you think more about choices etc.
What is the weather like? Are you using GWX? It slows the boat down in bad weather? Did you just surface? The batteries use one of the engines to recharge.

I use Malfunctions, but not Sabotage. Why? I don't know. I like the idea of things going wrong, but not too often. Silly me.

18: randomize tonnage - unsure about this one.Someone will need to further explain to me how this one works.I suppose all ships DID differ in cargo/weight,so does that explain it?.
Yes, the Gross Registered Tonnage did vary from ship to ship, even within the same class. With merchants this was because the owner was the one who did the registering, and his calculations depended on whether he had any guns, how many crew he carried, and things like that. I've found in my research that the same ship shows up in several sources, many times with each source showing a different GRT. Barring having the actual GRT of each ship, randomization is the way to go. The game already randomizes by a few tons either way; Commander does it a little more.

These days I wish there was a function that allowed specific tonnage to be applied to each ship - I have the GRTs of most every ship that sailed in a convoy now.

19: crush depth - I turned this on.I always DID like trying to find out my max crush depth in a new uboat,a tense moment.So,this could also allow for deeper depths?,and even worse depths due to poor welding methods etc? :o
Again there used to be a 'Randomized Crush Depth' mod, which I no longer use because Commander does it for me. I like the idea of not knowing exactly how deep is safe; it heightens the pucker factor.

20: TC settings - I havent messed with these,TC is ok for me as default settings.
I used to have mine set for 4096x, just because I could. These days I keep the max set for 256, and never go beyond 128 anyway, as it screws up the chance of encounters. I also have the 'When Near Land' and 'Crew Animations' set for that. 'CA' lets you run at those TCs while on the bridge. It looks funny, but it helps a lot.

21: Personnel files - Again,no immediate reason to alter these.
I even let it choose my kaleun's name these days. It's a wonderful addition; especially the 42,000-name database.

Summary

From what I gather initially about Commander,is that it was mainly designed to make the career building aspect of the game more in depth,like the log editing etc?.A huge section has gone into this part of the game,and it is this part I am having to understand more.I DID however choose a new pic for myself,which was good.
A few tips and advice on how to edit this section would be appreciated.
Finally,I really am sorry about the length of this post,I just wanted to share my latest findings.
Cheers to those that made Commander,and now I need to find out how to get all the other mods! :o
:up:
The log editor? Read this thread http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=133102&highlight=commander+patrol+editor and start typing. Any specific questions I'll be glad to answer, but it's actually fairly straight-forward. If I can do it...

'Those that made Commander' are one man: Jaesen Jones, known here as JScones. He did it, and he deserves all the praise we can give him. Am I a fan or what?

[edit]:rotfl: Your edit came too late: I got it all on tape! And you're post wasn't all that long.

[Paul Riley]

I really appreciate your support,and indeed patience here Steve,as no doubt you have gone through all this many times before me.
Right,i'm off to bed mate,all I can hear in my head is the constant banging of the diesels.
One last thing,all my game version details are in my sig.as you asked me what version/and or mods I am running.This will hopefully help if ever I need advice in the future from you or anyone else.

Your'e the man! :up:

[1480]

The speed issue is what SS alluded to. Sea state, wind, checking to see if standard propulsion is engaged. Wind speed above 7mps and up will affect your cruising speed, charging the batteries etc will do it, and welcome aboard! :up:

[nirwana]

One thing what is not mentioned here is refueling/rearming outside ure homebase. Its very unlikly that a crew will spend weeks in a pub or with the family. If i dock somewhere else like a tanker, milkcow or just refueling outside any subbase i set time at base to 1 or 2 days before i go back on patrol. U need to quit the game make the change in sh3com and resume the autosaved game being in the office before u left to any new patrol.

[Sailor Steve]

Commander has done that automatically for more than two years, which is why I didn't mention it.

From the User Guide:
2.6.0 (6 Jul 2006)
Added ability to recognise when docked at a milk cow or other friendly base and automatically adjust the number of days spent in base to 1 (plus any extra days required to repair damage)

-page 22

[Jimbuna]

Commander has done that automatically for more than two years, which is why I didn't mention it.

From the User Guide:
2.6.0 (6 Jul 2006)
Added ability to recognise when docked at a milk cow or other friendly base and automatically adjust the number of days spent in base to 1 (plus any extra days required to repair damage)

-page 22

RTFM :lol:

[Paul Riley]

The speed issue is what SS alluded to. Sea state, wind, checking to see if standard propulsion is engaged. Wind speed above 7mps and up will affect your cruising speed, charging the batteries etc will do it, and welcome aboard! :up:

No,if I remember the wind was about 5 and was behind us as we were travelling south towards Africa.I may have forgot to engage both engines just for that moment so that may have been it.Anyway,speed is back at 11-12kts now.As this is only our 2nd patrol the chief engineer and helm crew are quite inexperienced at the moment,so this may also affect the speed the engines are properly engaged,and also being able to maintain that speed?.
Just one thing,about the malfunctions tweak in Comm.,can these random events take place at any time and for any reason?,and are not neccessarily generated before you leave port?.And let me get this right,concerning the others,like broken lenses for example,I expect you wont be able to see out of the scopes very well? due to fogging or some other effect?,valves would affect the amount and speed of compressed air being fired into the tanks?,and the most serious of all I would think would be an oil leak!,for obvious reasons.Is this rendered in game?,and what is the speed of the leak?,is it immediately noticeable?.
Having said all this,I think the malfunctions tweak really is interesting and a great inclusion.

Good work Jonesy my lad! :up:

[1480]

Not sure, since it's the Atlantic I've resolved in my mind that there is no such thing as a pleasure cruise.:damn:

With the malfunctions and I know SS will have a more definitive answer for you but in my experience, the potential for something going wrong happens anytime you load up the game via sh3cm. My favorite is ordering ahead flank and you actually slow down. Not much fun when you're evading a wasserbombe run......:down:

[StarLion45]

:o I don't understand why someone can play SH3 with or without the patch1.v4b,
when there is GWX2.0 and GWX2.1 with JSGME+SH3Commander 3.1:hmm:
GWX2.0/2.1 is a whole new world:)
And think of those wonderful Mods there is .Those Modders have sacrified their own speartimes , they have made those mods for everyone to use , and it is totally free
think about that:yep: My self , I think I owe them to play the GWX(not only) because they have sacrified soo much of their time ,blood sweat and tears:D
They have thought that they want to please everyone who is willing to play SH3
SH3Commander3.1 is a tool you never can do without ,and neither the JSGME .IT'S A MUST HAVE:lol: I personally will never forget you guys that made the GWX so we all can have a joyful times to play the worlds best game :

"SH3 with patch 1.v4b +GWX 2.0+GWX 2.1+JSGME+SH3Commander3.1"
So to all newbies outhere ::stare: Get your ass in gear and download the GWX prompt:stare:
Stop kidding around and join us that have played this game for a while:lol: :lol:

[Murr44]

:o I don't understand why someone can play SH3 with or without the patch1.v4b,
when there is GWX2.0 and GWX2.1 with JSGME+SH3Commander 3.1:hmm:
GWX2.0/2.1 is a whole new world:)
And think of those wonderful Mods there is .Those Modders have sacrified their own speartimes , they have made those mods for everyone to use , and it is totally free
think about that:yep: My self , I think I owe them to play the GWX(not only) because they have sacrified soo much of their time ,blood sweat and tears:D
They have thought that they want to please everyone who is willing to play SH3
SH3Commander3.1 is a tool you never can do without ,and neither the JSGME .IT'S A MUST HAVE:lol: I personally will never forget you guys that made the GWX so we all can have a joyful times to play the worlds best game :

"SH3 with patch 1.v4b +GWX 2.0+GWX 2.1+JSGME+SH3Commander3.1"
So to all newbies outhere ::stare: Get your ass in gear and download the GWX prompt:stare:
Stop kidding around and join us that have played this game for a while:lol: :lol:

Though I'm sure that you didn't mean to be offensive, you should keep in mind that, because of our budgets, some of us are still using dial up connections & trying to d'load GWX with dial up is next to impossible. I know that because it would have taken me well over 24 hours just to get the 2.1 update. Fortunately some people here were kind enough to send me both GWX 2.0 and the 2.1 update on cd and dvd. When Paul wants GWX I'm sure that someone will be nice enough to mail him a copy...

[Paul Riley]

Dont worry about me murr,I have drunk far worse at my local pub!
People dont seem to realise that just because someone hasnt played/installed GWX and all the other add ons out there they are bloody beginners to SHIII/naval combat and or history,or even worse that they are damn noobs! *I HATE that word!so immature* :stare:
At the very LEAST use proper English!.
I have played SHIII since its release in 2005,or thereabouts,and yes,someday I WILL get the other mods.
In the meantime starlion,i'm sure you werent trying to be funny with me,so no offence taken,I just thought I had to step in there.

*typical* :roll:

[Jimbuna]

Dont worry about me murr,I have drunk far worse at my local pub!
People dont seem to realise that just because someone hasnt played/installed GWX and all the other add ons out there they are bloody beginners to SHIII/naval combat and or history,or even worse that they are damn noobs! *I HATE that word!so immature* :stare:
At the very LEAST use proper English!.
I have played SHIII since its release in 2005,or thereabouts,and yes,someday I WILL get the other mods.
In the meantime starlion,i'm sure you werent trying to be funny with me,so no offence taken,I just thought I had to step in there.

*typical* :roll:

Are you in need of some files young man http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/9708/piratebf4.gif (http://imageshack.us)

[Paul Riley]

Hey jim,hows it going.

Nope,I dont think I need any files just yet,as I have just started a fresh career earlier using Commander,with all major realism settings enabled,and to be honest I seem fairly content at the moment.
You did mean the GWX files etc?.Honestly,the more I think about it,I dont know mate,what do you think I should do?.As I say I have just left port about 1hr ago and dont wanna have to go back again :nope:
A few new mods would be nice I suppose,to compliment the few I already use,like improved flags,emblems,improved smoke etc.

I'll leave it up to you mate,I still have a lot more to learn when it comes to enhancing the stock game.

[Paul Riley]

Let me just clarify one little thing here,the GWX and all the others (there seems so many out there) they can all be installed over the Commander 3.1 add-on?.It is precisely this aspect of the modding process that confuses me the most.

As always,I thoroughly thank all the help I am getting here ;)

[nirwana]

Commander has done that automatically for more than two years, which is why I didn't mention it.

From the User Guide:
2.6.0 (6 Jul 2006)
Added ability to recognise when docked at a milk cow or other friendly base and automatically adjust the number of days spent in base to 1 (plus any extra days required to repair damage)

-page 22

:huh: aaargh ure right...i just checked logs where it was still set to randomize.....:damn:

[Jimbuna]

Let me just clarify one little thing here,the GWX and all the others (there seems so many out there) they can all be installed over the Commander 3.1 add-on?.It is precisely this aspect of the modding process that confuses me the most.

As always,I thoroughly thank all the help I am getting here ;)

No prob Paul...drop me a line anytime.

Sh3 Commander is a standalone programme/separate installation and does not interfere with your game/mod.

[Sailor Steve]

:o I don't understand why someone can play SH3 with or without the patch1.v4b,
when there is GWX2.0 and GWX2.1 with JSGME+SH3Commander 3.1:hmm:
GWX2.0/2.1 is a whole new world:)
And think of those wonderful Mods there is .Those Modders have sacrified their own speartimes , they have made those mods for everyone to use , and it is totally free
think about that:yep: My self , I think I owe them to play the GWX(not only) because they have sacrified soo much of their time ,blood sweat and tears:D
They have thought that they want to please everyone who is willing to play SH3
SH3Commander3.1 is a tool you never can do without ,and neither the JSGME .IT'S A MUST HAVE:lol: I personally will never forget you guys that made the GWX so we all can have a joyful times to play the worlds best game :

"SH3 with patch 1.v4b +GWX 2.0+GWX 2.1+JSGME+SH3Commander3.1"
So to all newbies outhere ::stare: Get your ass in gear and download the GWX prompt:stare:
Stop kidding around and join us that have played this game for a while:lol: :lol:
Do you play with NYGM? WAC? Do you play at 100%? Do you use Rubini's Lifeboats mod? Waterstreams? Racerboy's Exhaust Smoke? Sergbuto's Camera Mod? Longer Repair Times? If not, then everything you just said applies to you as well.

[StarLion45]

:D Hi everyone
I was just joking don't take it personally:oops:
I didn't know there were people with dial ups and low budgets:-?
Come on guys I just love the GWX I can't help it:smug:
And I was only trying to help with advice etc:yep:
So beare with me , I ' m just a Norwegian and we don't have dials up here sorry:damn: :damn: By the way,,,what is dial up ,I never heard of it before:hmm:

[Paul Riley]

Everything is ok now,it was a simple misunderstanding,easily done.Lets get off this now.

Starlion,dial up is ancient.It was the original way to connect to the internet in the early days.You use an internal modem,which then dials a number given to you by your ISP,and then you connect.The speeds are very poor compared to digital subscriber lines these days,like Broadband,DSL etc.
To give you an idea of how bad it is,the other day I downloaded Commander,which is about 25-30MB?,that took about 1.5hrs to dl,whereas if you have a high speed connection that would have took about 5mins,or even less.

:nope:

I consider myself as having a good system,which I built myself I might add,but with a serious bottleneck,the V92 modem,which at best manages about 48-56kbps (kilobytes per second),not even a fraction of a megabyte as you can see.

And dont apologize for being Norwegian man,I quite like Scandinavians,especially the Vikings and Valkyries! :arrgh!:
HAIL THOR! :rock:

[Sailor Steve]

:D Hi everyone
I was just joking don't take it personally:oops:
Okay. I thought you were serious.

Come on guys I just love the GWX I can't help it:smug:
And I was only trying to help with advice etc:yep:
Can't blame a guy for being a fan. Well, I can, but since you feel so strongly about it...I'm a GWX user too, I just realize there are a lot of other cool mods too.

So beare with me , I ' m just a Norwegian...
No 'just' about it. I'm currently reading an English translation of the Vinland Sagas - the original stories of Erik the Red and his son Leif Ericsson, and how they colonized Greenland and discovered America 500 years before Columbus. You guys are hardcore!:rock:

[Paul Riley]

Would that be by the author Snorri Sturlussen? (correct spelling as needed).I have a few books on Norse mythology and the Sagas myself,great stuff. :arrgh!:

[StarLion45]

:D Ok guys!
I am very proud of beeing an Norwegian:smug: :smug: ,but i thought this "dial up" was
the latest thing silly me:damn: you see in Norway ,things seem to be a little bit slow ,
take medicin forexample ,after two years the medicin come in Norway ,when that medicin have been in other countries for a while:-? Correction Paul Riley :
not "Snorri" but "Snorre Gustavson" :yep:

Hi there sailor Steve:lol:
some say that Columus discovered America , and some say "Leiv Eriksson"
discovered America ,I am those who believe "Leiv Eriksson" did it:smug:

[Pisces]

I consider myself as having a good system,which I built myself I might add,but with a serious bottleneck,the V92 modem,which at best manages about 48-56kbps (kilobytes per second),not even a fraction of a megabyte as you can see.Actually that is kiloBits per second. So that would be about 5.3-6.2kilobytes/s, as you need atleast 9 bits.

[Paul Riley]

I consider myself as having a good system,which I built myself I might add,but with a serious bottleneck,the V92 modem,which at best manages about 48-56kbps (kilobytes per second),not even a fraction of a megabyte as you can see.Actually that is kiloBits per second. So that would be about 5.3-6.2kilobytes/s, as you need atleast 9 bits.

You know what I mean.Its slow,and thats that. :damn:

[Sailor Steve]

Would that be by the author Snorri Sturlussen? (correct spelling as needed).I have a few books on Norse mythology and the Sagas myself,great stuff. :arrgh!:
All I know is that it's the 1965 translation by Magnus Magnusson and Hermann Palsson.

Hi there sailor Steve:lol:
some say that Columus discovered America , and some say "Leiv Eriksson"
discovered America ,I am those who believe "Leiv Eriksson" did it:smug:
I don't think there's much question that the Norse reached Newfoundland long before anyone else even thought about heading west, and Leiv (or Leif, as we hidebound English-speakers usually call him) was the man. On the other hand, their efforts ultimately failed, and, even if old Cristoforo Colombo didn't actually discover it, he was the guy who opened it up for colonisation.

It's kind of like arguing wether the Wright Brothers were the first to fly. Others may or may not have gotten airborn before them, but the Wrights were the first to make repeated experiments and show everybody how it's done.

Enough sophistry from me, though. All hats of to Leiv Ericsson, his dad Erik 'the Red', Bjarni Herjulfson (who saw it first and gave old Leiv the idea to go there seeking lumber), their successors Thorfinn Karlsveni and his wife Gudrid, and their son Snorri, who was actually the first white child born in America, some seven hundred years before Virginia Dare!:rock: