Georgian's genocide stopped but victims remaind

[Bruno Lotse]

A site with images from Tshinval (South Ossetia).

That's what Georgian army did to Ossetian people - women and kids.
Ossetian men took up arms repelled the aggressor and would not take prisoners.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/29507379@N06/

[Happy Times]

Your brain has overloaded with all that info coming from Russian TV.
You do know that for 2 days Russians where also shelling Tshinval?
And theres still no pictures of genocide..

[Bruno Lotse]

Your brain has overloaded with all that info coming from Russian TV.
You do know that for 2 days Russians where also shelling Tshinval?
And theres still no pictures of genocide..
If Osseti women and kid died under Russian shells, Osseti men would be killing Russians.

They are killing Georgians now any place they could find them. They don't take prisoners for what Georgian army did to their kin.

th, you ARE a liar.

[baggygreen]

I gotta agree with HT.

Both sides were shelling the city, both sides had tanks in the city (funnily enough, very similar tanks). Whose word do you have for instance, that the kids were killed by a georgian tank not a russian one? The S Ossetians who dislike the Georgians?? Reliable source......:down:

[Bruno Lotse]

Georgian and Russian tanks are not the same vehicles.
Georgians are using modernized in Ukraine T-72.
Russians are using in that area T-64.
Can you really tell the difference?
I do strongly doubt.
Ossetian men can.

[baggygreen]

Yes, actually, I can. (I've seen T64s and was shocked to see them. I've also seen more modern russian vehicles, too)

But regardless, if you're inside cowering from the fighting, and a shell blows your home up, it doesnt matter much to you who's shell it was, does it.

Nor is it likely you can tell who's shell it was by looking at the damage after the fact.

The only point of claiming it was one side or the other is for propaganda, and as we all know, pictures can tell a thousand words - question is, how factual are those words...

[Bruno Lotse]

If it were Russians, Osseti men would kill Russians.

Once I wrote to you, get a flight to Tshinval and see for yourself and talk to survivors.
No, don't do it. Locals wouldn't like reps of SaakJugend's masters.

[Happy Times]

Georgian and Russian tanks are not the same vehicles.
Georgians are using modernized in Ukraine T-72.
Russians are using in that area T-64.
Can you really tell the difference?
I do strongly doubt.
Ossetian men can.

I have to know, even make an educated guess of the force they are part off.:p

[Skybird]

Pictures of this kind do not speak with a voice of themselves as long as the sources are not confirmed beyond doubts.

That's why they are so easily misleading, and victims they show are good cannon fodder in the propaganda war - fought by both sides.

I can only remind people of the picture propaganda from Palestine, and the threads we had 1 and 1.5 years ago showing how serioulsy and obscenely manipulated they were.

We had several picture threads, two or three, on Georgia now. And none of them proved anything - except that people were dying and suffering. When they did, where they did, and from whose hands, and who they are - this the pictures do not say. but we have seen reports that some pictures published recently at least partially have been attributed to the wrong places and ethnicities.

Since this is so, these pictures now should not be tried to be made an argument for anything. They are not, except for the statement that it is war. And we do not need pictures anymore to know that.

Keep your head above your emotions here.

[Bruno Lotse]

Yes, actually, I can. (I've seen T64s and was shocked to see them. I've also seen more modern russian vehicles, too)

But regardless, if you're inside cowering from the fighting, and a shell blows your home up, it doesnt matter much to you who's shell it was, does it.

Nor is it likely you can tell who's shell it was by looking at the damage after the fact.

The only point of claiming it was one side or the other is for propaganda, and as we all know, pictures can tell a thousand words - question is, how factual are those words...
OK, could you please tell me what type of tank is that
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3206/2762794016_337c66ef35.jpg

Or in this picture
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3062/2762794026_acda5ac668.jpg

Caption to these pictures:
Destroyed Gerogians tanks. Tskhinvali, South Ossetia (from www.navoine.ru (http://www.navoine.ru))

What the hell are these two hulks doing in the center of a city?

If you follow the link you will find the same pictures in much better resolution.

[OneToughHerring]

Looks like pretty damning evidence to me. Don't think we'll need Horatio or Grissom to solve this one.

[baggygreen]

Thats easy - its a busted up one!:rotfl:

seriously tho, I cant tell because of its state. I never said i could id burnt out hulks. But that is besides the point. Like what I said, and like what Sky said, particularly his line of "but we have seen reports that some pictures published recently at least partially have been attributed to the wrong places and ethnicities." As for what were those 2 hulks doing in the middle of the city, well thats probably better discussed in the other thread.

As for the flickr site you've posted, well the photos themselves say plenty about warfare. its never pretty, and civvies are always going to cop it. No such thing as a clean war...

[Reece]

OK, could you please tell me what type of tank is that
I thought they were T-72's, could someone tell me the purpose of the bricks!, are they for heat protection?:-?

[darius359au]

OK, could you please tell me what type of tank is that I thought they were T-72's, could someone tell me the purpose of the bricks!, are they for heat protection?:-?

It's protection against HEAT rounds called Explosive Reactive Armour , or ERA http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reactive_armour ,it looks like an older version ,the latest version, Kontakt-5 , actually has some protection against Sabot rounds too http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kontakt-5

[Reece]

Thanks Darius, very interesting link, found this as well: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:T72_Georgia.jpg

[Skybird]

Kontakt-5 , actually has some protection against Sabot rounds too http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kontakt-5

That depends on the penetrator, means: the design generation of the SABOT round. Don't bet your life on K-5 saving you from even along-range fired SABOT of latest generation. the latest German and American designs are far more "silver" than the silver-bullets from Iraq 1991. Interestingly, the gap between the german tungsten and american DU-penetrators in penetration probability over distance has become much smaller. Some even rate them as all in all the same.

[joea]

Your brain has overloaded with all that info coming from Russian TV.


Well what is worse, 24/7 of Russian TV or Fox? They can be excused for cutting people off or not even putting them on when they don't match their ideology. Who, well both probably. I know Fox does.

[jumpy]

Locals wouldn't like reps of SaakJugend's masters.
You seem quite involved here fella; as in, if you're pro war then you're with Russia(?) and if you're not then you must be georgian? Your saying go and see, but don't because the locals wouldn't like your supposed affiliation with the wrong side? Like some kind of trade union scab?

I'm confused. :-?


Too many ethnic groups for me to keep track of here in eastern europe :oops: (Despite various factions successive attempts to change that throughout recent and earlier history - how little really changes over the years)

[Thomen]

Yes, actually, I can. (I've seen T64s and was shocked to see them. I've also seen more modern russian vehicles, too)

But regardless, if you're inside cowering from the fighting, and a shell blows your home up, it doesnt matter much to you who's shell it was, does it.

Nor is it likely you can tell who's shell it was by looking at the damage after the fact.

The only point of claiming it was one side or the other is for propaganda, and as we all know, pictures can tell a thousand words - question is, how factual are those words...
OK, could you please tell me what type of tank is that
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3206/2762794016_337c66ef35.jpg

Or in this picture
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3062/2762794026_acda5ac668.jpg

Caption to these pictures:
Destroyed Gerogians tanks. Tskhinvali, South Ossetia (from www.navoine.ru (http://www.navoine.ru))

What the hell are these two hulks doing in the center of a city?

If you follow the link you will find the same pictures in much better resolution.

Looks like T72 with reactive armor.

[Happy Times]

If wondering wether T64 or T72, if anything, look at the wheels. Those are clearly T72 :know:

Thats the first thing worth looking.:yep:

[Konovalov]

If wondering wether T64 or T72, if anything, look at the wheels. Those are clearly T72 :know:
Well picked. One of the big visable difference between the T64 and 72 is the design of the road wheels with the T64's being much smaller. I thought it was a T-72 also. One thing for sure is that it's now just a piece of scrap metal.