Russia SRBMs Fired at Georgia???

[feld]

Anyone seen this?

http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/russia-fires-ss-21-ballistic-missiles/story.aspx?guid=%7BBBA6D0C0-0C68-4870-AD17-D64189FBD05F%7D&dist=hppr

It's from the PRNewswire-USNewswire on the 14th of August and states that Russia has launched SS-21 Ballistic Missiles into Georgia...lots of them (over "two dozen").

That's...news. But I don't see it anywhere else...

feld

[Skybird]

I think it is pure coincidence that the man giving this news is the spokesman of the pro-missile-defense-lobby...?!

[Digital_Trucker]

For what it's worth:

From http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/18/world/europe/18georgia.html?partner=rssuserland&emc=rss&pagewanted=all


James F. Jeffrey, the American deputy national security adviser, told reporters this month that President Bush was informed on Aug. 8 that two SS-21s had been fired into Georgia. He said Mr. Bush “immediately” met with Russia’s prime minister, Vladimir V. Putin (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/p/vladimir_v_putin/index.html?inline=nyt-per), who was also attending the Olympics in Beijing, to express concern over the Russian military actions. Fragments of an SS-21 missile have been found near a police station in the port city of Poti. The rocket struck a police vehicle in front of the station.
But those missiles were fired from Russian territory, an American official said Sunday. In recent days, the official said, SS-21 missile launchers, as well as supply vehicles, have driven south through the Roki Tunnel into South Ossetia and been deployed on an elevated area about 10 miles north of Tskhinvali. That would put them within range of much of Georgia, including Kutaisi, Georgia’s second-largest city, and Tbilisi itself, adding to Russia’s ability to intimidate.

[Bruno Lotse]

A kid killed by a Georgian tank (everything that's left from a kid)
Tshinval (South Ossetia)

Georgian's genocide stopped,but victims remained

Graphic image: http://www.flickr.com/photos/29507379@N06/

[SUBMAN1]

450 ft accuracy? Crud! That means this ballistic missile has no real military value. It is probably an upgraded SCUD.

No need for a ballistic missile defense against that. A normal Patriot could do the job easily.

-S

[Happy Times]

450 ft accuracy? Crud! That means this ballistic missile has no real military value. It is probably an upgraded SCUD.

No need for a ballistic missile defense against that. A normal Patriot could do the job easily.

-S

Without ABC warheads its just a nuicance if one is prepared.

[SUBMAN1]

Without ABC warheads its just a nuicance if one is prepared.True words them. With a 1000 lbs. warhead, you need to be withing 20 feet, not 450 ft! That is if you want to have any effect at all!

Neat. They can drop a bomb with no effect.

-S

[AntEater]

As I said in another post, this is not a special weapon in russian service.
Every russian division has a battery of such launchers on strenght.
I suppose it was simply a question of "if we got them, why not use them?"
The georgians claimed the russians used the Iskander (SS-26) as well, which is a latest generation SRBM, but that seems unlikely to me, as there's only a single active battalion, which is apparently in western Russia/Belarus, ostendibly to counter US missile defense in Poland.

[Happy Times]

As I said in another post, this is not a special weapon in russian service.
Every russian division has a battery of such launchers on strenght.
I suppose it was simply a question of "if we got them, why not use them?"


Excatly.

[darius359au]

A kid killed by a Georgian tank (everything that's left from a kid)
Tshinval (South Ossetia)

Georgian's genocide stopped,but victims remained

http://www.flickr.com/photos/29507379@N06/
Is that picture really necessary ? , there are kids that play the games promoted here and they do look in the general topics section:nope: , also most people don't appreciate seen pictures like that or can handle them without any warning.

[Platapus]

Is that picture really necessary ? , there are kids that play the games promoted here and they do look in the general topics section:nope: , also most people don't appreciate seen pictures like that or can handle them without any warning.

Perhaps if more children were exposed to the horrors of war, more would grow up with a better appreciation for avoiding war when ever possible?

[darius359au]

Is that picture really necessary ? , there are kids that play the games promoted here and they do look in the general topics section:nope: , also most people don't appreciate seen pictures like that or can handle them without any warning.
Perhaps if more children were exposed to the horrors of war, more would grow up with a better appreciation for avoiding war when ever possible?

People complain about video games being too graphic for kids ,but your ok with exposing them to real photos?

[Onkel Neal]

Is that picture really necessary ? , there are kids that play the games promoted here and they do look in the general topics section:nope: , also most people don't appreciate seen pictures like that or can handle them without any warning.
Perhaps if more children were exposed to the horrors of war, more would grow up with a better appreciation for avoiding war when ever possible?

People complain about video games being too graphic for kids ,but your ok with exposing them to real photos?

Yes, the difference is, games are not real.

[Mush Martin]

if we can refine the solution with guidance on an artillery shell
with gps we can do it to a warhead and have already, but dont
waste the good battlefield stuff on the demonstration save it for
when its needed, they are hard to defend against the russians
have gained operational experience, and I think it succeeded
if their intention was sending a message about russia, and modern
battlefields.

[Happy Times]

if we can refine the solution with guidance on an artillery shell
with gps we can do it to a warhead and have already, but dont
waste the good battlefield stuff on the demonstration save it for
when its needed, they are hard to defend against the russians
have gained operational experience, and I think it succeeded
if their intention was sending a message about russia, and modern
battlefields.

On the contrary, this war has revealed the weakness of Russias military.

[Sea Demon]

On the contrary, this war has revealed the weakness of Russias military.

Not only that, but the limitations of their influence.

[SUBMAN1]

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Yes, the difference is, games are not real.I'm not sure that makes much difference. Games are promoting an act. This is why they have ratings.

-S

[Platapus]

Is that picture really necessary ? , there are kids that play the games promoted here and they do look in the general topics section:nope: , also most people don't appreciate seen pictures like that or can handle them without any warning.
Perhaps if more children were exposed to the horrors of war, more would grow up with a better appreciation for avoiding war when ever possible?

People complain about video games being too graphic for kids ,but your ok with exposing them to real photos?

I am ok with children being educated in all knowledge that will help them as adults. Isolating children from reality does no one any good

[Kazuaki Shimazaki II]

450 ft accuracy? Crud! That means this ballistic missile has no real military value. It is probably an upgraded SCUD.

No need for a ballistic missile defense against that. A normal Patriot could do the job easily.

-S

True, the SS-21's speed characteristics are within those for engagement with Patriot.

As for accuracy, with inertial it doesn't get too much better than that (though they did manage to squeeze the inertial CEP down to 50m in the end)... you're spoiled by laser guided and GPS munitions. It is quite accurate enough for Nukes, Chemicals or Cluster, which is what they are most likely to be firing.

[darius359au]

Is that picture really necessary ? , there are kids that play the games promoted here and they do look in the general topics section:nope: , also most people don't appreciate seen pictures like that or can handle them without any warning.
Perhaps if more children were exposed to the horrors of war, more would grow up with a better appreciation for avoiding war when ever possible?
People complain about video games being too graphic for kids ,but your ok with exposing them to real photos?
I am ok with children being educated in all knowledge that will help them as adults. Isolating children from reality does no one any good
I'm probably not explaining myself too well , I'm fine with the image, (I'm was an Australian army medic and I also have worked accident and emergency ,so I've seen just about everything that can happen to a person either in real life, or in training.),my problem is that @Bruno Loste just plonked that image down without any warning or giving people the choice to view it or not by a link - I'm all for showing children the real world and how it can be a nasty place , but at a time of my choosing and not as a part of someone else's agenda or rhetoric.

[Skybird]

Is that picture really necessary ? , there are kids that play the games promoted here and they do look in the general topics section:nope: , also most people don't appreciate seen pictures like that or can handle them without any warning.
Perhaps if more children were exposed to the horrors of war, more would grow up with a better appreciation for avoiding war when ever possible?

People complain about video games being too graphic for kids ,but your ok with exposing them to real photos?

Yes, the difference is, games are not real.
But they can pave the road for your later attitude towards real war. From neurophysiology we know that the brain itself has not the ability to differ between imagined signal input (you imagine a fantasy only), and input from real signals from the outer world - neurologically it makes no difference.

This scientifically validated info is relatively new, although the content is almost profane and quite some people would have told you similiar opinions if being asked. I read about the neurological background I think one and a half or two years ago.

[AntEater]

http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/9162/d0ff40634cgv1.jpg

[Reece]

Perhaps if more children were exposed to the horrors of war, more would grow up with a better appreciation for avoiding war when ever possible?
I must mention this, around 14 years ago some friends of ours allowed their 2 boys around 10 years old to watch violent "R" rated films, I said to them that they shouldn't allow them to watch but they said that it is a violent world & they would bring them up to know violence, this will prepare them & help them to learn to defend themselves!:roll::damn:
Years later both boys were up on charges (even appeared in a page spread in the newspaper), and spent time behind bars, many times. The parents popped in one day and filled us in on past events in their lives, they have now dissowned one of them, they are basically bullies, going around beating people up purely for fun! things like pulling up along side pedestrians, in a stolen car, pull their arm through the window drag them & let them go at around 30mph!:nope:
I didn't dare say "I told you so",:roll: lucky they have moved & now out of touch!:dead:
What's amazing is this is not a story but actual fact!:doh:
There is enough violence in the world & plenty of time to find out, so as far as I'm concerned, the later the better!:yep:

[Bruno Lotse]

Perhaps if more children were exposed to the horrors of war, more would grow up with a better appreciation for avoiding war when ever possible? I must mention this, around 14 years ago some friends of ours allowed their 2 boys around 10 years old to watch violent "R" rated films, I said to them that they shouldn't allow them to watch but they said that it is a violent world & they would bring them up to know violence, this will prepare them & help them to learn to defend themselves!:roll::damn:


It's how brutal Putin's agents are treating brave Georgian prez Saak

http://content.foto.mail.ru/list/t34ssmirnoff/illustrations/i-1655.jpg
What are they doing?
Looks like anal act to me...:rock:

[Reece]

Oh your a naughty boy!! :rotfl:Get there!!:lol: Sorry!!:oops:

[Happy Times]

"Look what i got!"

http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p310/axisof/putin_missile.jpg

"Im going to shoot it somewhere!"

http://www.robertamsterdam.com/putin_rocket.jpg

[August]

Allowing children to watch violence on video does not prepare them to deal with it as adults, rather it gets them used to violence without consequences. Unfortunately real life doesn't have a reset button.

[Reece]

Allowing children to watch violence on video does not prepare them to deal with it as adults, rather it gets them used to violence without consequences. Unfortunately real life doesn't have a reset button. Very true, these parents didn't deserve to have children IMO!

"Look what i got!" Oooh!! .... That's a big one, I'll bet that hurts!:lol:

[Konovalov]

Allowing children to watch violence on video does not prepare them to deal with it as adults, rather it gets them used to violence without consequences. Unfortunately real life doesn't have a reset button.Could not have said it better thankfully and without any psychobabble. :yep:

[feld]

Well...the topic certainly went interesting directions:

For those of you who quoted 450 ft CEP for the SS-21, that apparently was for the A-variant. According to wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OTR-21_Tochka), later models have reduced the CEP to something less than 95 m (=95*3.281 = 312 feet for those of you like using those units). It is unclear to me how small the current CEP is from the article.

feld

[Bruno Lotse]

"Look what i got!" Oooh!! .... That's a big one, I'll bet that hurts!:lol:
Ask Saak how was it.
He knows.:rock:

[Jimbuna]

http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/6726/crazyforgonrocketxg8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)