Historically, can you really see under water with your periscope?

[Silver_Silence]

I use periscope under water to avoid depth charges, sub net and even mine. but it is realistic?

[Letum]

No.

[onelifecrisis]

You can see IRL, but not as far as you can see in this game.
RL underwater visibility is anywhere from zero (murky water) to maybe 50m (super-clear water). Whereas in stock SH3 you can see about 150m IIRC.

[Silver_Silence]

thx for the quick reply.
is there a mod to fix that?

[Paul Riley]

Surprised me that,I would have thought a PS in real life would have had no problem viewing under water,as long as the visibility of the water itself was good of course.
I imagine the water in some of the Pacific areas to be almost crystal clear,or at the very least clear.
:hmm:
I myself use the OS to monitor DCs dropping if they are near me,so long as I dont keep it raised too much out of its housing.A useful aid sometimes that tactic.

[onelifecrisis]

thx for the quick reply.
is there a mod to fix that?

I think SH3C has an option which changes underwater visibility but I'm not sure exactly what it changes... it might just make the water "murkier" without actually reducing the visibility distance. Someone else will know.

OLCE2 reduces underwater visibility to 50m. That's how I know how far you can see... I had to research* it for realism.

*research
Noun, countable and uncountable, plural researches
1. The act of repeated googling.

[Letum]

You are lucky to see more than 2m in the sea near me!

[onelifecrisis]

You are lucky to see more than 2m in the sea near me!

Sea?
You mean that big puddle on the right?

[Sailor Steve]

Yes, one more of Commander's many wonderful functions is the ability to control the water density. I have mine set for 3, which means I can still see the bow with the periscope, but just barely. It's really cool in external views, as with the F12 key you can park yourself ahead of the boat and watch it swim into view, just like the opening of Das Boot.:rock:

[Paul Riley]

Interesting,I might have to invest in this mod for reduced water vis.Not sure if I have missed it already but can anyone direct me to the link?.After getting it,is it ok to install for the stock 1.4 version?,as I have yet to install any of the larger mods,like SHC,GWX etc.

Good point about the opening to Das Boot,I love watching it come out of the murk at the beginning.I guess thats all the proof you need about murky water,and i'm sure those guys knew what they were doing.

Cheers :up:

[wdq4587]

If you are playing stock SH3 game. You may try my favorite old mod "BeeryWater 1.44".

[Jimbuna]

As Steve has correctly pointed out...SH3 Commander willl alter/adjust your game water clarity from anything between 0 and 20 (the higher the number, the clearer the water).

[Sailor Steve]

Not sure if I have missed it already but can anyone direct me to the link?.After getting it,is it ok to install for the stock 1.4 version?,as I have yet to install any of the larger mods,like SHC,GWX etc.
It's in my sig link: SH3Cmdr31.exe.

And since it's not a mod, but an external application that digs into the game to let you control things, it's compatible with any version of the game, stock or modded. It's the best tool there is for the...NO! No lengthy worshipful descriptions this time. It does lots of cool...NO! Control yourself! You'll love it. I can say no more.:rotfl:

[SandyCaesar]

In regards to the first question, well...US nucs were often able to use the periscope for underwater "hull shots" on Soviet vessels, so it's possible. However, the optics were considerably more advanced, and it probably depends on the water conditions.

...not much help, am I?:lost:

[Sailor Steve]

...not much help, am I?:lost:
Well, in the SH4 thread on planes being able to see subs at 100 feet or more depth, I argued that just off Subic bay we could see rocks on the bottom, and it was deep enough for supercarriers to pass; but then in another thread on seeing the bottom of the hull and the propellors I just today argued that at from another ship those things usually can't be seen.

So, you may not be much help, at least you have lots of company.:rotfl:

[predavolk]

It depends on where you are. You can see tens, if not a hundred meters, in certain parts of the ocean. The Northern Atlantic generally had limited visibility while the Med had much clearer waters. Which was partly why the former was easier to operate subs in than the latter (as airplanes could spot submerged subs). There's lot of photos (some modern) of underwater subs taken from airplanes.

Generally speaking, SH3's water is too clear.

[Paul Riley]

Talking about planes,does anyone know the depth that DCs detonate from planes?.This is for the stock 1.4 version.

[PsFr]

Surprised me that,I would have thought a PS in real life would have had no problem viewing under water,as long as the visibility of the water itself was good of course.
I imagine the water in some of the Pacific areas to be almost crystal clear,or at the very least clear.
:hmm:
I myself use the OS to monitor DCs dropping if they are near me,so long as I dont keep it raised too much out of its housing.A useful aid sometimes that tactic.
Wouldn't it be dangerous in real life probably (if you are too deep and do that ) though ? i thought maybe it could damage your periscope with the pressure , not sure if it was built to be deployed when the sub is under periscope depth , well just asking , if someone has a definite answer about this , would be nice to tell , cheers ;)

[Jimbuna]

Talking about planes,does anyone know the depth that DCs detonate from planes?.This is for the stock 1.4 version.

Approx 25 metres.

[Paul Riley]

Thanks jim.

So,at 50m I would be safe from the initial blast damage,but may suffer minor damage from the shock wave?,as I have noticed once or twice from aerial bombardments that I get minor damage to either the flaks or the fore deck.
Theoretically,how far could a blast wave travel through water from a DC?,or would this force be depleted quite quickly as soon as it detonates?.I understand sound travels faster and further through water,but does kinetic energy?.

[Jimbuna]

At 50m you might sustain minor damage, but that will be dependant on how close the explosion occurs in relation to your position.

As for kinetic energy.....just remember there are limitations to what can be replicated in the game engine.....it is now over 3 years old http://www.psionguild.org/forums/images/smilies/wolfsmilies/pirate.gif

[Paul Riley]

Still a top game after 3 years too :up:

Cheers anyhow.

[Jimbuna]

Your welcome Kaleun http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/9026/wolfthumbsuprw5.gif (http://imageshack.us)

[Silver_Silence]

Hail all,
I set water clarity at 3 using SH commander, but I think it can see just as well as before in my existing career. Do I need to restart the career for it to take effect?

thx

[Jimbuna]

Hail all,
I set water clarity at 3 using SH commander, but I think it can see just as well as before in my existing career. Do I need to restart the career for it to take effect?

thx

Your better off performing a 'rollback' when in port before making any adjustments.

I've adjusted at every level from 1 to 20 over time and have noticed marked changes.

[Sailor Steve]

Hail all,
I set water clarity at 3 using SH commander, but I think it can see just as well as before in my existing career. Do I need to restart the career for it to take effect?

thx
A silly question, but did you click 'Apply' before clicking 'Okay'? Mine is set for 3 and I can see about 20 yards in daylight, which means that from the initial 'Ship Camera' viepoint I can barely see the propellors from the stern view.

Or were you trying for a better view? Higher is clearer.