SH3 and its wonders

[Imamar]

SOrry for this same old same old topic, but i really need help. I havent found any video tutorials to manually sink a ship. I would love to play this game, but as hardcore simmer i am, everything have to be 100% realism. COUld some one please explain me in babysteps the method to do that? Detection to destruction. I would really be thankful.
Any advices and links are welcome. Even stupid ones.. ;)

[irish1958]

For the first step, run through the navel academy at 100% realism in unmodified SHIII to get your feet wet. Do not run with any mods activated.
After you have mastered that, download and study one of the major mods: GWX 2.1, NYGM3.x, AOTD, etc.
There is an excellent tutorial in the GWX manual, and references to more detailed tutorials.

[Kielhauler1961]

Sorry to appear to contradict you, Irish1958, but 100% realism is not possible unless one never plays the game again after being sunk the first time.

@ Imamar: If you truly want 100% realism, check all the boxes under "realism options" EXCEPT "manual targeting". That job fell to the 2iC. Leaves you free to select targets and position the boat, as the Kapitans role was in RL. Also, turn off the "crew fatigue" in SH3 Commander, (a super-mod I strongly suggest you do install). Micro-management of the mensch is not a captains' job either. Concentrate on the big picture and leave the details to others. That's why you have a crew.

[Sailor Steve]

And I'm sorry to disagree with you, Kielhauler1961, but leaving Weapons Officer Assistance unticked or Manual Targetting off is about as UNrealistic as you can get. Yes, the exec, or 1WO, did the calculations, but his information was based on what the captain saw throught the periscope, and the captain had to have the ranging instruments adjusted properly or the information was wrong. The captain had been to the same schools and had served his time as an underling, so he was perfectly capable of doing the calculations himself, if need be. Just because he didn't doesn't mean he couldn't, and it wasn't uncommon for him to double-check his peoples' work just to be sure.

The worst part about automatic targetting in the game is that it's perfect. Instant calculations and precise data, all with the click of a button. Hardly what I'd call realistic.

Don't get me wrong - I use WO assistance myself. I just don't tell myself (or anyone else) I do it because it's more realistic.

[nirwana]

:stare: I knew it. To be the captain of a sub is in reality not the the job little boys are dreaming of. Doing all the work and get beat up by the BDU if the mission is screwed up. :-?

[ECAaxel]

i strongly recogmend OLCE and OLC GUI special which will change the realism settings so you can have your WO (also turn on the event camera which I use just for pure interest) ident the ship with 100% realism.
Also the tools provided help you get the data correct for the TDC i found it to be greatly helpful.
9Today i did a harbour raid on Sydney and June 1941 i did a habour raid on Gilbralter Easy! I don't know what everyone complaing about. Although soon after the sercurity around the harbour increased immensly
(GWX2)

[Kielhauler1961]

Realism? Schmealismm...! The only thing I care about is getting back to base in one piece and have Doenitz shaking me warmly by the throat... Seeing as I have to tuck the crew in each night and read them bedtime stories... I have actually served on RN Submarines (late 1980's) and it was the Exec's job to do the 'paperwork'. The Captain had done it all before, when HE was an Exec learning the trade! Realism is about overall responsibility, not about minutiae. Each to his/her own.:) Unless you have been in a "real" submarine and undergone a "real" torpedo firing procedure, "realism" is just a joke word...

[onelifecrisis]

And I'm sorry to disagree with you, Kielhauler1961, but leaving Weapons Officer Assistance unticked or Manual Targetting off is about as UNrealistic as you can get. Yes, the exec, or 1WO, did the calculations, but his information was based on what the captain saw throught the periscope, and the captain had to have the ranging instruments adjusted properly or the information was wrong. The captain had been to the same schools and had served his time as an underling, so he was perfectly capable of doing the calculations himself, if need be. Just because he didn't doesn't mean he couldn't, and it wasn't uncommon for him to double-check his peoples' work just to be sure.

The worst part about automatic targetting in the game is that it's perfect. Instant calculations and precise data, all with the click of a button. Hardly what I'd call realistic.

Don't get me wrong - I use WO assistance myself. I just don't tell myself (or anyone else) I do it because it's more realistic.

Steve, every time you post this I silently cheer for you. I decided, not to be silent this time.

STEVE IS RIGHT :yep:
LISTEN TO STEVE :up:

[Sailor Steve]

Thanks, OLC, but don't forget to read the last line again. I still let the WO do the hard part, and tell myself it's okay because I leave the scope up for longer than I have to and wait a couple to let the calculations soak in. I may not be entirely realistic but by golly I pretend I am in the most realistic way possible!
:rotfl:

[onelifecrisis]

Thanks, OLC, but don't forget to read the last line again. I still let the WO do the hard part, and tell myself it's okay because I leave the scope up for longer than I have to and wait a couple to let the calculations soak in. I may not be entirely realistic but by golly I pretend I am in the most realistic way possible!
:rotfl:

I didn't skim your post - I do agree with the last line. It's a real shame, IMO, that they didn't code 'human error' into the WE, along with the ability to have him gradually improve over time... but still never get perfect... you know what I'm saying. Anyway, pipe dreams...

[irish1958]

Thanks, OLC, but don't forget to read the last line again. I still let the WO do the hard part, and tell myself it's okay because I leave the scope up for longer than I have to and wait a couple to let the calculations soak in. I may not be entirely realistic but by golly I pretend I am in the most realistic way possible!
:rotfl:
I didn't skim your post - I do agree with the last line. It's a real shame, IMO, that they didn't code 'human error' into the WE, along with the ability to have him gradually improve over time... but still never get perfect... you know what I'm saying. Anyway, pipe dreams...

AH, but there is human error--mine!
I can manage to screw up the easiest shots and loose the biggest targets all the while collecting the largest assembly of allied destroyers and aircraft ever. :rotfl::rotfl:

[kranz]

#Imamar
I suggest you should read Wazoo tutorial which can be found here: http://www.paulwasserman.net/SHIII/ Maybe there is sth newer than this but I was "brought up" on this and I get nice stats while sinking. Read it all and decide what method you prefer-if you decide that you install OLC you won't find this tutorial helpful- if you have any questions just ask

[onelifecrisis]

Thanks, OLC, but don't forget to read the last line again. I still let the WO do the hard part, and tell myself it's okay because I leave the scope up for longer than I have to and wait a couple to let the calculations soak in. I may not be entirely realistic but by golly I pretend I am in the most realistic way possible!
:rotfl:
I didn't skim your post - I do agree with the last line. It's a real shame, IMO, that they didn't code 'human error' into the WE, along with the ability to have him gradually improve over time... but still never get perfect... you know what I'm saying. Anyway, pipe dreams...

AH, but there is human error--mine!
I can manage to screw up the easiest shots and loose the biggest targets all the while collecting the largest assembly of allied destroyers and aircraft ever. :rotfl::rotfl:

What, even using the WE!? :huh:

[Sailor Steve]

Realism? Schmealismm...! The only thing I care about is getting back to base in one piece and have Doenitz shaking me warmly by the throat... Seeing as I have to tuck the crew in each night and read them bedtime stories... I have actually served on RN Submarines (late 1980's) and it was the Exec's job to do the 'paperwork'. The Captain had done it all before, when HE was an Exec learning the trade! Realism is about overall responsibility, not about minutiae. Each to his/her own.:) Unless you have been in a "real" submarine and undergone a "real" torpedo firing procedure, "realism" is just a joke word...
Thanks for the slam, but I stand by my statement. Unless your exec could figure all the data and have the torpedo ready to fire in less than one second, then the Automatic Targetting option is still not realistic. Good is good, but nobody is that good.:dead:

[Pisces]

This tutorial starts before detection but is a classic aswel:

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=88961