Next Vice President thread

[geetrue]

Ah ha ... the next president thread is gone (probably got old, uh?)

How about the next vice president thread?

McCain's VP Mate May Be Jewish Senator or Baptist Preacher (http://adsfree01.mail.com/scripts/mail/read.mail?folder=INBOX&order=Newest&mview=a&mstart=1&pbox=0&msg_uid=1218819694&mprev=1218819695&mnext=1218819693&referer=mailbox#127205)


Ex-Gov. Huckabee, a Baptist preacher, will visit the Kotel and Sderot, following the tracks of Jewish Sen. Lieberman. Both want to be McCain's VP.

Baptist preacher and former Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee soon will be accompanied by religious Jewish New York State Assemblyman Dov Hikind on a two-day visit to Jerusalem's Western Wall (Kotel) and the rocket-battered southern town of Sderot.

Jewish Senator Joe Lieberman toured Israel earlier this year, and both men are eyeing the Republican vice-presidential spot.

Sen. Lieberman, who ran with presidential candidate Al Gore in 2004 in a bid to become the first American Jewish vice president, has bucked the Democratic party to become an independent. He strongly backs Republican presidential candidate Senator John McCain and gave him a guided tour of the Western Wall and Sderot earlier this year.

[Digital_Trucker]

I predict that the next Vice-President of the United States will be Obama (after Hillary pulls a sneaky and gets nominated and talks enough stupor-delegates into flipping to her side).

[geetrue]

I predict that the next Vice-President of the United States will be Obama (after Hillary pulls a sneaky and gets nominated and talks enough stupor-delegates into flipping to her side).

The democrates have a convention coming up one week from monday ... something is going to happen that's for sure. hillary said she would campaign for Obama, but I only saw her on the stump a couple of times since then.

I bet in the back of her heart and mind she thinks she still has a chance.

How much did that birth certificate cost anyway? :yep:

[Digital_Trucker]

I would agree with you, but I have trouble believing that she has either a heart or a mind:rotfl:, only a desperate desire to rule the world. Why else would she not relinquish her delegates? Why else would she want to have herself nominated at the convention? I don't believe that "unifying the party" thing for a nano-second. I do know one thing, if I were Obama, I sure wouldn't want her as my running mate. I'd be afraid that I'd end up with a bullet in my head shortly after election.

[Frame57]

That has a zero chance of the survival rate of a snowball in hell of happening. Even though I would love to see the race card that would be played if it did.

[OneToughHerring]

Interesting issue. For Obama it can't be Hillary or Edwards so it might be a complete surprise. No idea who that might be. How about Colin Powell? That might be too much soul brother at once for America. Obama might need to find someone with knowledge about foreign politics etc. His own 'Cheney', so to speak.

For McCain, somebody mentioned Lieberman. How about him? Would make Israel happy that's for sure.

[Frame57]

Interesting issue. For Obama it can't be Hillary or Edwards so it might be a complete surprise. No idea who that might be. How about Colin Powell? That might be too much soul brother at once for America. Obama might need to find someone with knowledge about foreign politics etc. His own 'Cheney', so to speak.

For McCain, somebody mentioned Lieberman. How about him? Would make Israel happy that's for sure.Not only that, it would pull some of middle road dems over too. Cannot agree with a lot of the stuff he thinks is right, but i feel Lieberman is a human being, which is a start anyway.

[Platapus]

Well since I voted for Richardson in the Presidents poll, I would not be upset if Obama picked Richardson for his VP. He has quite the CV.

[geetrue]

This event is on tomorrow ... It seems to be the first debate in person for both canidates. I think it is more of a question and answer thing than a real debate though.


(http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/08/15/influential-pastor-to-host-faith-forum/)Influential Pastor to Host Forum With Presidential Candidates (http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/08/15/influential-pastor-to-host-faith-forum/)
FOXNews
by FOXNews.com (http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/08/15/influential-pastor-to-host-faith-forum/)

Rev. Rick Warren will host John McCain and Barack Obama at his California mega-church Saturday. (AP Photo) John McCain and Barack Obama bickered for weeks over the kind of debates they wanted - but when California pastor Rick Warren ...

[Digital_Trucker]

That should be interesting. I wonder if either candidate will answer any questions or do the usual and fill the room with hot air and speak in circles:doh:

[Platapus]

Separation of religion and state anyone ? :doh:

An interesting question for those voters who insist that the President be a christian or even being religious.

Reference Article VI of the United States Constitution.

"... but no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States."

Lets hope that there will not be any religious questions during this debate.

[Digital_Trucker]

I suppose that depends on what you consider a religious question. A candidates stand on certain subjects which can be interpreted as religious (abortion, same sex marriage, etc) should still be asked. Not that we should believe the answers because we all know how politicians are about saying what they believe will get them elected.

Edit : This voter doesn't insist on religion in a representative in government. I do, however, insist on morality.

Second edit : Does separation of church and state mean that a President can't be religious or be seen or heard in a church? I certainly hope not.

[Happy Times]

Ive posted before that Obama should go with Joe Biden, winning ticket.

[Digital_Trucker]

I don't know DT, I just don't understand why they have to debate in a church. Can't they debate in a neutral place where all Americans would find themselves at ease ?
It's not meant as an offence, but there's a big difference in the understanding of "separation of church and state" depending if you're in the US or in France and probably a good part of Europe I think.
It never came to my mind that 2 presidential candidates could ever debate in a religious place (especially in that kind of industrial church), I think they would get hashed by all the press from left to right excepted "la croix" (lol).
Our current president is already mocked by the press for showing off a lot (religion oriented speaches, ceremony with the pope etc etc), and he's not even a believer, just a populist trying to get the christian vote.
I understand where you're coming from Mikhayl. It is a strange place to debate. Obama agreed to "town hall" type debates that McCain proposed, but then Obama decided that he couldn't get his "schedule" to coincide. As for it being a place that all Americans would feel at ease in, all Americans won't be able to attend this, or any other, "debate" except by television. If a person feels ill at ease even looking at the inside of a church, then I don't know what to tell them.

Personally, I'm just happy they're even "debating" (I don't think that's what it's going to be, though). I see it for what I think it is, that is an opportunity for both candidates to try to pick up some votes from the evangelicals. Unfortunately, that is politics in this country (and probably most democratically oriented countries). You do whatever is believed to get you elected. Then you keep doing whatever it takes to get reelected. Never mind serving the public good, just keep your cushy political job. As far as the church and the preacher are concerned, they get national attention, which means more contributions. The press gets something to rail about when one or the other slips up and says the wrong thing. Everyone is happy except for the average Joe, who gets absolutely nothing out of the whole deal. Can't tell I'm jaded against politics can you?:rotfl:

[Platapus]

Can't tell I'm jaded against politics can you?:rotfl:

I think we are picking up the subtle signs :rotfl:

I don't know how anyone can study American politics and not be jaded.

[Digital_Trucker]

I think Thomas Jefferson said it best:

"God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion.
The people cannot be all, and always, well informed. The part which is
wrong will be discontented, in proportion to the importance of the facts
they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions,
it is lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty. ...
And what country can preserve its liberties, if it's rulers are not
warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of
resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as
to the facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost
in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from
time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
It is its natural manure."
I don't know about every 20 years, but we're way overdue for a major overhaul of the system. I wish I could say that I thought one candidate or the other could start the change, but one hasn't been around long enough to read and the other is a portrait of contradictions. It's a shame we realistically only have two choices.

[Frame57]

I don't know DT, I just don't understand why they have to debate in a church. Can't they debate in a neutral place where all Americans would find themselves at ease ?
It's not meant as an offence, but there's a big difference in the understanding of "separation of church and state" depending if you're in the US or in France and probably a good part of Europe I think.
It never came to my mind that 2 presidential candidates could ever debate in a religious place (especially in that kind of industrial church), I think they would get hashed by all the press from left to right excepted "la croix" (lol).
Our current president is already mocked by the press for showing off a lot (religion oriented speaches, ceremony with the pope etc etc), and he's not even a believer, just a populist trying to get the christian vote.Totally Dude! I think they should debate in Anton Lavey,s Church. The ACLU should file a suit on behalf of all Satanist to have the fairness act enabled to cover debate locations.

[Digital_Trucker]

I'm not sure to get your point (if there is any). Non christian Americans are de facto satanists ?

Correct me if I'm wrong Frame, but I think what he's doing is poking a little fun at our affinity for "equal time" for opposing points of view. For example if someone were to say that the sky is blue on TV, there would be an immediate lawsuit against the network to allow some crack-pot to have equal time to hypothesize that the sky is, indeed, chartreuse.

[geetrue]

CNN is caring the debate live from the Saddleback Church in Lake Forest, California (that's in Orange County in Southern California)

today saturday 5pm pst channel 202 Direct TV

They just said that it will be like a forum instead of a real face to face debate the canidates are in seperate rooms waiting for the questions ...

You know like in a game show or something lol

[Platapus]

This is why I don't like the idea of a "town hall". It may be all cozy and stuff, but I want an honest direct debate between the two candidates. :yep:

[Frame57]

I'm not sure to get your point (if there is any). Non christian Americans are de facto satanists ?

Correct me if I'm wrong Frame, but I think what he's doing is poking a little fun at our affinity for "equal time" for opposing points of view. For example if someone were to say that the sky is blue on TV, there would be an immediate lawsuit against the network to allow some crack-pot to have equal time to hypothesize that the sky is, indeed, chartreuse.You are correct my friend.:D

[orwell]

These candidates need a winner. They need a man who can get things done. They need a man ready to take action when action is called for. The candidates, nay, the Citizens of the United States of America, and the peoples of the world, need....



Barry Goldwater.

McCain just won't wake up one morning, and you KNOW some are gonna have a shooting fit about Obama in Office. (Which, since frankly neither candidates policies appeal to me much so far, I hope he gets and is able to end this divide between the 'oppressed black culture', not necessarily black people, that the media has glorified for all misguided youth, and those who have joined the framework of our culture and society.) With Goldwater at the helm, you know he'll be tough on Iran, tough on North Korea, and won't tolerate Russian Imperialism all over American domain. He may even bring NATO to task as they were meant to be - US vassal states.


(Oh man, I'd nuke Eurasia for a good modern grand strategy)

[Frame57]

I'm not sure to get your point (if there is any). Non christian Americans are de facto satanists ?Just a funny way of saying you cannot please all the people all the time. I think people have to be stupid (not you) to not see that this is just political ploy on behalf of both candidates. I could care less where they debate, so should christian and non christian. Why does it matter?

[NealT]

Just wondering if Pat Paulsen is still around? He would make a great one...

[Digital_Trucker]

Just wondering if Pat Paulsen is still around? He would make a great one...

:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:Yes, he would:up:

[Platapus]

Just wondering if Pat Paulsen is still around? He would make a great one...

Pat Paulsen died in 1997

Despite being dead for 11 years, I also agree that he would probably be better than the choices we have this year.

Vote for Pat Paulsen for President. No flip flops here. He has not changed his position since 1997!!!!!!

Pat Paulsen, stability you can rely on!

[Sailor Steve]

I saw Paulsen in concert the first time he 'ran', in 1968. Part of his 'campaign' was a speech which started with a statement of his platform, which was based on bringing Peace and Quiet to the country. After talking about Peace and Quiet for a while he got more and more worked up, finally shouting and screaming about Peace and Quiet, then shifting to screaming in German for a bit, and finally ended with the nazi salute and a rousing "Sieg Heil!"

[bookworm_020]

Is there a short list of possible VP's for both parties?:hmm:

[Tchocky]

Biden and Bayh for the Democrats, possibly Sebelius also. Picking Biden would really kick McCain in the foreign policy teeth, seeing as how McCain sent Lieberman and Graham to Georgia, when Saakashvili asked for Biden.
Lieberman might make the list for the GOP, can't say I'm too excited about that.

EDIT - That said, I wouldn't mind getting rid of the office altogether. It's not healthy when the politics of the choice outweigh the power of the office.

[geetrue]

What about Hillary's last stand to be part of all this?

Surely she would bring a lot of votes with a Clinton on the same ticket.

If he loses without her ... she'll be back in 2012.

As for McCain I do believe Mr Huckabee would help carry the south and
the south is where Mr Obama has a loyal following in the pimaries.

I enjoyed the differences in that game show style debate saturday night at Saddleback Church.

I think Mr McCain was the winner with his shorter answers ... Obama took so long with each answer you could see his mind working.

[Digital_Trucker]

... Obama took so long with each answer you could see his mind working.

If he says "you know" one more time, I'm gonna, like, you know, gag myself with a spoon:D

[Sailor Steve]

What about Hillary's last stand to be part of all this?

Surely she would bring a lot of votes with a Clinton on the same ticket.

If he loses without her ... she'll be back in 2012.
I think putting Hillary on the ticket would guarantee a loss for Obama. There are those who like her, but they're already voting Democrat no matter what. There are a lot of swing voters who would have taken McCain over Hillary, but prefer Obama to McCain. With Hillary on the ticket they would be swayed right back.