Pics from the Georgia front lines

[SUBMAN1]

Warning, graphic!!!!

-S

Reporter shot and continues news:
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/world/2008/08/14/vo.gerogia.journalist.shot.gerogiastatetv
Reporter shot in Georgia 1:19
While on-air, a reporter is grazed by a bullet and goes on to say the shot was fired from the Russian-controlled area.

Another TV crew attacked - no one injured:
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/world/2008/08/14/vo.gerogia.journalist.shot.gerogiastatetv
Bullets fly at news crew's car 2:09
A Turkish television network aired video showing reporters ducking for cover as their vehicle came under attack in Georgia.


Stills - carefull with these - most aren't but a couple are pretty graphic:
http://milkavkaz.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=226&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

[Dmitry Markov]

Here are some other fotos from South Osetia - I've made this post earlier in neighbour thread.

Photos from South Osetia (they belong to web site www.navoine.ru (http://www.navoine.ru/) and were shot by Arkadiy Babchenko)

CAREFUL! SOME OF THEM SHOW BODIES AND WOUNDS!

http://www.navoine.ru/forum/viewtopic.php?p=551#551


Just scroll down that page a little bit and here they are...

[Happy Times]

Georgians must have good boots, almost every body is missing them.

What does this say?

http://s57.radikal.ru/i158/0808/4c/5c244d00aec6.jpg

[kgsuarez]

What do you mean "What does this say?"?

It doesn't say anything. It's just a bunch of squiggly lines.:yep:

Actually, I tried to come up with a translation. I can't make out the last word that well so all I have is "it is small by the buoy of ..."

By the way, I don't know Russian. I tried to decipher the handwriting with a Cyrillic alphabet chart off of Google images and typed what I got into a translator.:p

[Fincuan]

http://s57.radikal.ru/i158/0808/4c/5c244d00aec6.jpg

"Humanitarian aid from Russia"

[Dmitry Markov]

This means "Won't be enough - we'll add". Sorry, my English is not very good at idioms but that's close to original meaning "Мало будет - добавим". In Russian we need just three words to express that :)

[Fincuan]

This means "Won't be enough - we'll add".

Soldiers... Different armies, same kind of sense of humor :lol:

[Dmitry Markov]

Sure :)

[kranz]

there were also bombs with "For NATO" caption. Quite pathetic.

[Happy Times]

Any pictures from the ambush where the 58th Army spearhead got hit? Their commanding general was wounded and some journanlists traveling with them.

[Happy Times]

http://osinform.ru/uploads/posts/2008-08/thumbs/1218638207_1-15.jpg

http://osinform.ru/uploads/posts/2008-08/thumbs/1218638206_1-16.jpg



Georgian or Russian? The reactive armour and commanders "shield" look Russian.

And whats with the burning of dead Georgians, some logic behind that or just nature of war.

[jumpy]

The chaps with no boots look like they were on the receiving end of artillery.

As for the rest... well, I can't think of anything that's good about it. All that money, time ingenuity and square-bashing; all of it ends up as so much meat and ash. :down:

[SUBMAN1]

Those tanks look utterly destroyed. I've never seen an M1 look that bad, not matter how much explosive they used on it. I guess 1 M1 was designed to take on 5 Soviet tanks since they were designed to fight outnumbered, so maybe its strength has something to do with it.

-S

http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/8382/8b6818081e65ri5.jpg

http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/1082/1f97789859d5sb4.jpg

[nikimcbee]

Those tanks look utterly destroyed. I've never seen an M1 look that bad, not matter how much explosive they used on it. I guess 1 M1 was designed to take on 5 Soviet tanks since they were designed to fight outnumbered, so maybe its strength has something to do with it.

-S

http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/8382/8b6818081e65ri5.jpg

http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/1082/1f97789859d5sb4.jpg

...and that's why I'm not a tanker.

On a side note, has the M1 truely been tested in combat? The M1 absolutly kicked a$$ in gulf War 1. I think (my memory is rusty) only 14 or so M1s were lost in GW1, and most of those had their tracks blown off from a mine. There was that one M1 tank that took a direct hit from a T-72 (funny story, the M1 parked infront of th T-72 to take a break:o ) at point blank range the tank commander had a ringing in his ears, but the tank didn't catch fire.- the crew survived.

What I'm asking is: would the M1 fair as well against a real opponent that knows how to fight tanks.:hmm:

[SUBMAN1]

...and that's why I'm not a tanker.

On a side note, has the M1 truely been tested in combat? The M1 absolutly kicked a$$ in gulf War 1. I think (my memory is rusty) only 14 or so M1s were lost in GW1, and most of those had their tracks blown off from a mine. There was that one M1 tank that took a direct hit from a T-72 (funny story, the M1 parked infront of th T-72 to take a break:o ) at point blank range the tank commander had a ringing in his ears, but the tank didn't catch fire.- the crew survived.

What I'm asking is: would the M1 fair as well against a real opponent that knows how to fight tanks.:hmm:The M1 was designed to take a direct hit in the frontal area, though in the war, no M1's were really lost. They were only disabled - hit with the best stuff that could be thrown at them. And then some tank tow truck shows up, tows it off, and the damn tank is back running the next day! :doh: Its like indestructable.

One M1 was hammered mutiple times when disabled, but they simply returned fire waiting for a rescue!

-S

[kranz]

I see that you guys are pro when it comes to tanks, so my question is: I read a book by Parker about testing chemicals, gases etc on soldiers.There was a part that during the GW1 american tanks got friendly-fired by some other americans with ammo having uranium something inside. Why is it used(this uranium) and could it be true?

[SUBMAN1]

I see that you guys are pro when it comes to tanks, so my question is: I read a book by Parker about testing chemicals, gases etc on soldiers.There was a part that during the GW1 american tanks got friendly-fired by some other americans with ammo having uranium something inside. Why is it used(this uranium) and could it be true?
Its depleted Uranium. Hard stuff from a nuke reactor. They use it in a rd called a Sabot. Turns tank armor into swiss cheese.

Some info on it here - http://www.army-technology.com/contractors/ammunition/apfsds.htm

-S

PS. It is mildly radioactive, so if you ever see a destroyed tank, leave it alone. The rd is OK, but its the radioactive dust that it leaves behind that you do not want to breathe.

[Happy Times]

I see that you guys are pro when it comes to tanks, so my question is: I read a book by Parker about testing chemicals, gases etc on soldiers.There was a part that during the GW1 american tanks got friendly-fired by some other americans with ammo having uranium something inside. Why is it used(this uranium) and could it be true?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depleted_uranium

[SUBMAN1]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depleted_uraniumBeat ya! :D :p

-S

[AntEater]

Tanks are usually lost when they burn.
These T-72s definitely did. In Iraq, US forces were always able to recover knocked out tanks, but in a situation when this is not possible and a M1 is left burning for a certain time, the ammo should cook off as well.
There are fire supression systems in western tanks, but those tend to suffocate the crew as well, so if the crew doesn't wear rebreathers I'd rather bail out and lose a tank to a fire than lose a tank crew to suffocation. Not good for morale.
Incidentally, since we're in Subsim forum, the rebreathers worn by german tank crews today are exactly the same type of "Tauchretter" made by Dräger used in WW2 U-Boats as escape apparatus.
At least thats what guys on german military forums said about Leo 2s and comparable damage, and M1s and Leo 2s are quite similar in layout.
This destruction might not have been instantaneous either. It is possible those tanks were hit, set on fire, the crew abandoned them and left them burning.
Few minutes later, ammo cooks off. Or, the georgians themselves blew them up because they were knocked out and there was no time for recovery.

(DU allready explained)

[SUBMAN1]

Tanks are usually lost when they burn.
These T-72s definitely did. In Iraq, US forces were always able to recover knocked out tanks, but in a situation when this is not possible and a M1 is left burning for a certain time, the ammo should cook off as well.
There are fire supression systems in western tanks, but those tend to suffocate the crew as well, so if the crew doesn't wear rebreathers I'd rather bail out and lose a tank to a fire than lose a tank crew to suffocation. Not good for morale.
Incidentally, since we're in Subsim forum, the rebreathers worn by german tank crews today are exactly the same type of "Tauchretter" made by Dräger used in WW2 U-Boats as escape apparatus.
At least thats what guys on german military forums said about Leo 2s and comparable damage, and M1s and Leo 2s are quite similar in layout.
This destruction might not have been instantaneous either. It is possible those tanks were hit, set on fire, the crew abandoned them and left them burning.
Few minutes later, ammo cooks off. Or, the georgians themselves blew them up because they were knocked out and there was no time for recovery.

(DU allready explained)Thats probably a logical explanation. Russians using there more is better policy vs Americans using the less but technologically superior is better mentality.

I'm sure the price tag difference is pretty enormous though. Last I heard, M1's were way past the $5 Million mark. T-72's - cheap and effective.

-S

[Happy Times]

Tanks are usually lost when they burn.
These T-72s definitely did. In Iraq, US forces were always able to recover knocked out tanks, but in a situation when this is not possible and a M1 is left burning for a certain time, the ammo should cook off as well.
There are fire supression systems in western tanks, but those tend to suffocate the crew as well, so if the crew doesn't wear rebreathers I'd rather bail out and lose a tank to a fire than lose a tank crew to suffocation. Not good for morale.
Incidentally, since we're in Subsim forum, the rebreathers worn by german tank crews today are exactly the same type of "Tauchretter" made by Dräger used in WW2 U-Boats as escape apparatus.
At least thats what guys on german military forums said about Leo 2s and comparable damage, and M1s and Leo 2s are quite similar in layout.
This destruction might not have been instantaneous either. It is possible those tanks were hit, set on fire, the crew abandoned them and left them burning.
Few minutes later, ammo cooks off. Or, the georgians themselves blew them up because they were knocked out and there was no time for recovery.

(DU allready explained)Thats probably a logical explanation. Russians using there more is better policy vs Americans using the less but technologically superior is better mentality.

I'm sure the price tag difference is pretty enormous though. Last I heard, M1's were way past the $5 Million mark. T-72's - cheap and effective.

-S

They are that, and im sad that Finnish defence forces phased out the t-72s as they would have had their use with the territorial troops in a more defencive role. They were also equipped with western electronics and fire control.

[UnderseaLcpl]

I've never seen an M1 look that bad, not matter how much explosive they used on it.

-S


I have. M1A2 drove over 5 stacked AT mines while using a military bypass SW of Fallujah. I wan't there for the show but I was there for the cleanup.
Whole tank flipped over, but I was on perimeter security so I was too far away to really see the damage.
Still, I heard the crew survived, it's a remarkable piece of hardware. Not sure if they managed to repair it or not.

In person the M1a2 is terrifying, even if it's on your side. Literally shakes the pavement.:D I just wish I had gotten to co-operate with one in combat.

[SUBMAN1]

I have. M1A2 drove over 5 stacked AT mines while using a military bypass SW of Fallujah. I wan't there for the show but I was there for the cleanup.
Whole tank flipped over, but I was on perimeter security so I was too far away to really see the damage.
Still, I heard the crew survived, it's a remarkable piece of hardware. Not sure if they managed to repair it or not.

In person the M1a2 is terrifying, even if it's on your side. Literally shakes the pavement.:D I just wish I had gotten to co-operate with one in combat.Crew survived? Holy ****! That means no real major damage to the chassis. I bet that thing is back in operation.

-S

[Happy Times]

I have. M1A2 drove over 5 stacked AT mines while using a military bypass SW of Fallujah. I wan't there for the show but I was there for the cleanup.
Whole tank flipped over, but I was on perimeter security so I was too far away to really see the damage.
Still, I heard the crew survived, it's a remarkable piece of hardware. Not sure if they managed to repair it or not.

In person the M1a2 is terrifying, even if it's on your side. Literally shakes the pavement.:D I just wish I had gotten to co-operate with one in combat.Crew survived? Holy ****! That means no real major damage to the chassis. I bet that thing is back in operation.

-S

Chassis has to be compromised, you would think it to be marked as total loss.

[UnderseaLcpl]

Crew survived? Holy ****! That means no real major damage to the chassis. I bet that thing is back in operation.

-S

You underestimate the power of U.S. Government contracts. *hoooooooh-hahhhh hoooooh-hahhhh*

Many contracts stipulate that if a unit is unsuitable for field repair and can't be repaired at "reasonable" cost to the manufacterer, it must be replaced by a unit of the same type at full cost. Hooray for our government:roll:

[August]

Russians having some fun with Georgian civilians?

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvdXkzssecc&feature=related

[SUBMAN1]

Russians having some fun with Georgian civilians?

http://www.pilotspub.org/phpBB2/templates/Aeolus/images/spacer.gif http://www.pilotspub.org/phpBB2/templates/Aeolus/images/spacer.gif http://www.pilotspub.org/phpBB2/templates/Aeolus/images/post_corner.gif

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvdXkzssecc&feature=related

Thats major BS! To collapse like that, he has internal injuries I bet and he will be dead if he doesn't seek major medical help.

-S

[August]

Russians having some fun with Georgian civilians?

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvdXkzssecc&feature=related
Thats major BS! To collapse like that, he has internal injuries I bet and he will be dead if he doesn't seek major medical help.

-S

Yeah he did go down awful hard with no attempt to break his fall or prevent that major face plant.

[AntEater]

A little look at the date:
July 2007????
According to Youtube comments, these Policemen (not soldiers) are Ukrainian.
The perpetrators both got a life sentence for this, unfortunately, the guy really died.
Apparently it was a huge scandal in Ukraine last year.

[Konovalov]

Thats major BS! To collapse like that, he has internal injuries I bet and he will be dead if he doesn't seek major medical help.

-S
Well going off what AntEater said you were proven right. On that limited video analysis you should have been a doctor Subman. ;)

[August]

A little look at the date:
July 2007????
According to Youtube comments, these Policemen (not soldiers) are Ukrainian.
The perpetrators both got a life sentence for this, unfortunately, the guy really died.
Apparently it was a huge scandal in Ukraine last year.

I've been a victim of war propaganda? :o

[SUBMAN1]

Thats major BS! To collapse like that, he has internal injuries I bet and he will be dead if he doesn't seek major medical help.

-S Well going off what AntEater said you were proven right. On that limited video analysis you should have been a doctor Subman. ;)I've got the handwriting down, so maybe? :D The blood thing and me don't mix well though, so probably not.

In all seriousness, that vid is messed up.

-S