Red Baron opens

[nikimcbee]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LoVUU3b3S7M&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12fDyri_4Ko&feature=related

I can't wait to see this. Even if it turns out to be the German version of Flyboys.

In German:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9qcPHnIwoc&feature=related

[Frame57]

Who you callin boy?:D

[Tchocky]

I can't wait to see this. Even if it turns out to be the German version of Flyboys.
Flyboys. Urgh.

Nice Zeppelin shots, mind :)

[August]

Shows how starved people are for a good WW1 movie that they're willing to watch movies like this, just to feed the jones.

[VipertheSniper]

Did anyone look at the comments of the trailer video..? :nope: :nope: :nope:

[nikimcbee]

I'd say "I want to believe", but I saw a quick review somewhere saying that it's basically "Pearl Harbor" in WWI. Poor soap movie with a few aerial shots.
Does anyone know a bit more ?

D'oh. Hollywood is ruining everybody's cinema.

[STEED]

Did anyone look at the comments of the trailer video..? :nope: :nope: :nope:

Sad world we live in. :nope: :nope: :nope:

[Tchocky]

http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/youtube.png

[VipertheSniper]

I love xkcd.com

yeah, that comic just about sums it up.

[Platapus]

Trailer looks good. I am a bit of a WWI aviation fan so I will probably see it. Hope I won't be disappointed....again.

[UnderseaLcpl]

I'm not going to get too excited.

I have a feeling historical accuracy will be sacrificed in the name of marketability.

[Dowly]

Now, where's all them damned WWII airwar movies! :-?

[Sailor Steve]

Nice Zeppelin shots, mind :)
Where? All I saw was an artillery-spotting balloon.:sunny:

I'm looking forward to it. There look to be enough flying scenes to make up for the schmaltz that appears in every aviation movie, the one exception being Tora! Tora! Tora!

[UnderseaLcpl]

and they manoeuver like if they had F22 thrust thingamagig :rolleyes:

thrust-vectoring?

[Sailor Steve]

Ja, magic roll and turn rates. The shot where he instantly rolls sideways to squeek between two oncoming enemy planes looks like something right out of Star Wars.

[Wolfehunter]

WOW I have to get that movie ASAP! :rock: Add it to Stalingrad and Das Boot.

http://www.redbaron-themovie.com/index_en.html

[Stealth Hunter]

Yeah, this is going to be filled with spoilers, but I talked with my main man Erich from Alsfeld, Germany, and he said it was horrible.

According to him:

*SPOILERS*


-There are SEVEN MINUTES total of dogfighting.
-The main plot is about an entirely fictional love story between MvR and Kate.
-Historical accuracy is horrid (they portray Brown as shooting down the Baron, and the two apparently met in 1916 after the Baron was shot down by Brown... which is fictional...).
-Several key pilots are missing (including Goering, Allmenroeder, and even BOELCKE, the key to Richthofen's success...).
-The acting was unconvincing.
-The script wasn't the best in the world.


*/SPOILERS*

He said it was "a modern version of Von Richthofen & Brown, spiced up with CGI only with a lot less action".

[Raptor1]

Speaking of which, has there ever been a good movie about the Red Baron?

[Stealth Hunter]

Yep. You know they filmed it in English and only then did they dub it in German?

[UnderseaLcpl]

Yeah, this is going to be filled with spoilers, but I talked with my main man Erich from Alsfeld, Germany, and he said it was horrible.

According to him:

*SPOILERS*


-There are SEVEN MINUTES total of dogfighting.
-The main plot is about an entirely fictional love story between MvR and Kate.
-Historical accuracy is horrid (they portray Brown as shooting down the Baron, and the two apparently met in 1916 after the Baron was shot down by Brown... which is fictional...).
-Several key pilots are missing (including Goering, Allmenroeder, and even BOELCKE, the key to Richthofen's success...).
-The acting was unconvincing.
-The script wasn't the best in the world.


*/SPOILERS*

He said it was "a modern version of Von Richthofen & Brown, spiced up with CGI only with a lot less action".


I thought so. Thanks, Hollywood.:roll:

[UnderseaLcpl]

Ja, magic roll and turn rates. The shot where he instantly rolls sideways to squeek between two oncoming enemy planes looks like something right out of Star Wars.

But with no AT-ATs:cry:

[Stealth Hunter]

OR teddy bears with spears and log weapons.:yep:

[Wolfehunter]

WOW I have to get that movie ASAP! :rock: Add it to Stalingrad and Das Boot.

http://www.redbaron-themovie.com/index_en.html

You may want to think twice :
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0365675/

AH dangit. $#%^$^ why did they let Hollywood make this movie? I was looking forward to this... Thanks Mikhay and Steal Hunter for educating me on this. :shifty:

Oh well I guess I will have to wait till someone with tallent can make a proper film about the aces.:-?

[Platapus]

Oh well I guess I will have to wait till someone with tallent can make a proper film about the aces.:-?


If you can get a hold of it try a CBC Television documentary called The Kid Who Couldn't Miss.

Pretty hard to find but entertaining.

Hells Angels and Wings are also two good movies about that era.

[Stealth Hunter]

I've got the Hell's Angels DVD, but Wings I haven't been able to find (I saw it about 6 months ago on Turner Classic Movies). What about Errol Flynn's The Dawn Patrol?

[Wolfehunter]

Thanks I will have to look into this. :rock:

[Zachstar]

I have heard rumors that this is WW1 Pearl.. However... It looks gripping enough that I think I will give it a try...

Historical accuracy is nice... However, For WW1 to do A historically accurate movie is almost futile... It would tank at the box office...

It is not going to be the dark knight but hey that was a one in 5 year movie!

[Raptor1]

As long as there are some historical inaccuracies I don't mind, but only as long as they remember all the important stuff

Oh, and leave the idiotic romance out of the movie, it's a war film, not some romantic drama

Anyway, might have a look at it, it's not like I got anything else to do

[Stealth Hunter]

:stare: :stare: :stare:

IT DOESN'T EVEN HAVE BOELCKE.

God, that part pisses me off to no end. We're talking about the man who INVENTED how we do dogfighting, and he's almost always overlooked in these films.

Flyboys wasn't that bad of a movie. It at least had some historical accuracy to it (like Whiskey the Lion, Eugene Skinner [based off the real pilot Eugene Bullard]], and the fact that a Gotha G.IV was included, which is a rarity for some of the more recent WWI aviation films). The only part that annoyed me about it was some of the acting scenes.

[Stealth Hunter]

As long as there are some historical inaccuracies I don't mind, but only as long as they remember all the important stuff

Oh, and leave the idiotic romance out of the movie, it's a war film, not some romantic drama

Anyway, might have a look at it, it's not like I got anything else to do

Well, the idiotic romance is basically all the movie is centered around.:yep: Erich said there are only about 7 minutes of dogfights total.

[mengle]

Something i don't like in a movie is that they not speak the langwits of the country, that's what is missing in the red baron and Valkyrie whit Tom Cruise, they are both in english!:-?

[Stealth Hunter]

I'm still looking forward to Valkyrie. I'd say that it will probably be good if not great. Cruise looks a lot like Claus von Stauffenberg, and he seems to fit the profile after reading more about the man.

[bookworm_020]

Speaking of which, has there ever been a good movie about the Red Baron?

Don't know about that, but still waiting to see one that gives due credit to the Australian AA gunners who took him down.

I Got Flyboys on DVD not long ago and finished watching it just the other day. It wasn't great, but better than average ( I'm willing to forgive alot of historical errors!)

It didn't sink as low as Pearl Harbour thank goodness:roll:

[Platapus]

If you had to watch one. Which would you watch

Pearl Harbor or U571?
:damn:

[Raptor1]

U-571, it's shorter

[Platapus]

U-571, it's shorter

My thoughts exactly. Take the shorter punishment. :up:

[mengle]

Anybody know about that movie Miracle at St. Anna ? :hmm: http://miracleatstanna.movies.go.com/

[Jimbuna]

U-571, it's shorter

LOL :lol:

[nikimcbee]

I wonder who they have killing MvR; ANZAC ground fire or Brown?

[Stealth Hunter]

Brown.:shifty:

[nikimcbee]

Brown.:shifty:

Have you ever seen the ANZAC website that documents that they shot down MvR? It's a very convincing presentation.

[Jimbuna]

Brown.:shifty:

Have you ever seen the ANZAC website that documents that they shot down MvR? It's a very convincing presentation.

I should imagine it is if it's an ANZAC site :lol:

[Raptor1]

There's a lot of evidence that the ANZAC killed Richthofen, but of course it isn't glamorous enough for those idiots making a war film about fictional romance, so they had to have him killed in a dogfight...

[Sailor Steve]

There's a lot of evidence that the ANZAC killed Richthofen
:yep: :yep: :yep:

[Tchocky]

Never really understood the kerfuffle over who killed Richtofen. The nature of that war makes death so likely that chance and circumstance plays a very high role. Events such as the Hawker/Richtofen duel were the exception.

I mean, look what happened to Boelcke.

[Stealth Hunter]

Brown.:shifty:

Have you ever seen the ANZAC website that documents that they shot down MvR? It's a very convincing presentation.

Indeed, but they make it seem like Brown killed him.:-?

[Stealth Hunter]

Never really understood the kerfuffle over who killed Richthofen. The nature of that war makes death so likely that chance and circumstance plays a very high role. Events such as the Hawker/Richthofen duel were the exception.

I mean, look what happened to Boelcke.

Boelcke may have been killed by flak. Some are starting to suspect it brought him down and not the initial collision with Erwin Boehme. Von Richthofen wrote that there were some ack-ack posts guarding the area that day and firing on them, and he also said that some came close to Boelcke's plane and his own plane. Seems possible.

The REAL thing that killed Boelcke, however, was the fact that he was not wearing a safety belt and he always flew with a leather flying cap, not the standard helmet. In fact, the crash site left him relatively intact; he just died from the impact and damage to his head and chest (he was thrown about pretty badly).

[Sailor Steve]

Um, this is sarcasm, right? If not, I have to ask, exactly what kind of helmet was standard in 1916? They were still wearing leather caps in 1945. Also, what kind of seat belts were they using in 1916? And, while a seat belt might save you life in a car, on the ground (I know it did mine), it's a different story falling out of the sky in a wood-and-fabric flying machine.

[Jimbuna]

Um, this is sarcasm, right? If not, I have to ask, exactly what kind of helmet was standard in 1916? They were still wearing leather caps in 1945. Also, what kind of seat belts were they using in 1916? And, while a seat belt might save you life in a car, on the ground (I know it did mine), it's a different story falling out of the sky in a wood-and-fabric flying machine.

Agreed.....and lets have no speculation around early design ejection systems either :lol:

[Stealth Hunter]

SOURCE:

GERMAN KNIGHTS OF THE AIR: 1914 - 1918: The Holders of the Orden Pour le Merite

Written by Terry C. Treadwell and Alan C. Wood


Page 42 (HPTM. OSWALD BOELCKE: 1891-1916)


Then on 28 October whilst on patrol with von Richthofen and Bohme, they came across seven enemy aircraft and dived to attack. Boelcke and Bohme, flying in tandem, chased a British fighter, then just as they were closing on it, another British fighter, chased by von Richthofen, cut across in front of them. Erwin Bohme rolled out of the way at the same time as Boelcke and the two aircraft collided. Bohme managed to control his aircraft, but Boelcke's Fokker Eindecker was badly damaged and spun toward the ground. The Aircraft crashed behind a German gun emplacement where the crew pulled Boelcke from the wreckage. He had died almost immediately, no doubt because he never wore a helmet or seat belt.

Picture of a Flying Helmet:

http://www.earlyaviator.com/archive/image1/CrashedDead.jpg

See that on his head?:-?

[Stealth Hunter]

Um, this is sarcasm, right? If not, I have to ask, exactly what kind of helmet was standard in 1916? They were still wearing leather caps in 1945. Also, what kind of seat belts were they using in 1916? And, while a seat belt might save you life in a car, on the ground (I know it did mine), it's a different story falling out of the sky in a wood-and-fabric flying machine.

No, it's not sarcasm. Look at my post above, and check the body of the aviator. He's wearing a helmet...:yep: As for why they didn't wear helmets in 1945... beats me. I stick with World War I history, not World War II (World War I is far more interesting in my opinion since it was the first modern war).

If you wore a safety belt when flying, you wouldn't have to worry or be too concerned about your head bashing into the cockpit panel, now would you? If anything, that's what killed him. If he had the belt on but his helmet off, his head wouldn't have smashed into the cockpit. If he had had his helmet on but his belt off, then he would have suffered minor injuries. However, he had neither on, and because of his neglect to take precautions, he died.

[nikimcbee]

The ceramic flower pot? kidding aside, what a horrible way to die.:dead:

[Stealth Hunter]

Yeah, and if you think that's bad, then look at this:

http://www.earlyaviator.com/archive/image6/800m_runter.jpg

Jumped out from 2,400 feet.:huh:

[nikimcbee]

Um, this is sarcasm, right? If not, I have to ask, exactly what kind of helmet was standard in 1916? They were still wearing leather caps in 1945. Also, what kind of seat belts were they using in 1916? And, while a seat belt might save you life in a car, on the ground (I know it did mine), it's a different story falling out of the sky in a wood-and-fabric flying machine.

Agreed.....and lets have no speculation around early design ejection systems either :lol:

okay, so to mount the black powder charge under the seat, then light the fuse when it's time to bail from the aeroplane, right?

Hence the "Buna ejection seat" was born. After some refining, a parachute was added to the system.

[Stealth Hunter]

LOL. You're also forgetting to give Hunter credit. He was the test subject for the thing.:rotfl:

[nikimcbee]

LOL. You're also forgetting to give Hunter credit. He was the test subject for the thing.:rotfl:

Now that explains a lot.:rotfl: the black power on his cheeks, it's not make-up.:oops:

[Stealth Hunter]

Quentin Roosevelt's destroyed Nieuport 28 (July 14, 1918)


http://www.earlyaviator.com/archive/image3/rooseveltquentin.jpg

[nikimcbee]

Quentin Roosevelt's destroyed Nieuport 28 (July 14, 1918)


http://www.earlyaviator.com/archive/image3/rooseveltquentin.jpg

where are you finding these photos at?

[Stealth Hunter]

Googling left and right.

[Sailor Steve]

Oop, you're right about the belt. Louis Strange loosened his to fix a jammed drum. That's why he fell out. He said so himself.

Still never seen a helmet like that on anybody's head but that guy's. Doesn't seem to have done him much good.:dead:

[Stealth Hunter]

Yeah... maybe if he hadn't of come falling out of the sky like a stone from several thousand feet...

On another note, this Sunday will mark the 90th Anniversary of the Death of Oblt. Erich Loewenhardt after he jumped from his yellow Fokker D.VII once it was rammed by fellow pilot, Lt. Alfred Wenz. Loewenhardt's parachute failed, and he fell from nearly 12,000 feet. Wenz bailed out successfully.

Pictures of Loewenhardt:

http://www.greatwarflyingmuseum.com/aces/images/germany/erich_lowenhardt.jpg
http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w254/flyingdoc-album/famous%20faces/Sanke614Lowenhardt.jpg

Picture of Loewenhardt's yellow Fokker D.VII with lozenge style canvas on the wings. Only his Fokker DR.1 was painted completely yellow.

http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w254/flyingdoc-album/famous%20faces/loewnhardt_2.jpg

At the time of his death, Loewenhardt was flying with Jasta 11, and was just behind Manfred von Richthofen and Ernst Udet in victories (he had 54 total).

One of the more interesting things I've come across about Loewenhardt is that in 1915, he received the Iron Cross First Class for dragging FIVE wounded men to safety during his time in the trenches.

[Stealth Hunter]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PkxEyGLjwc4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PkxEyGLjwc4)


That's got some great footage in there.