Eco-Facist police on the way?

[nikimcbee]

Just wait for these green-jackboots to kick your dorr down for this:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/08/01/MN47122A98.DTL

:nope:
I wonder how long it will take for this idea to spread? The next bet will be; how long will it take for the UK to adopt this?:nope: :rotfl:

I'm glad the SF police have nothing better to do, other than inforce trash laws.

I can see it now. The green shirts kick in Steed's door, (after the tear gas) and write Steed a 3000 Pound ticket for not seperating his trash.

Poor Steed, everybody picks on him.:roll:

[Tchocky]

Best way to influence behaviour, put a price on it. Think of it as a tax on waste.

[Letum]

If you don't like it, dispose of the rubbish your self.

[Frame57]

True story here! I was in a wreck in SF about 3 years back. The van flipped on its side and caufgt fire. I nor the other driver was injured luckily. Three SF cops drove by on motorcylces and just asked if anyone was injured and then drove off. No report, no nothing... So I call 911 and the operator states that the police no longer take accident reports. The bums did not even offer to call a tow truck. Nor did they help to guide traffic around the wreck. I wrote a letter to the office of Gavin Newesome. Never got a reply. he was too busy I guess figuring out ways to screw up the city of SF even more.:nope:

[nikimcbee]

True story here! I was in a wreck in SF about 3 years back. The van flipped on its side and caufgt fire. I nor the other driver was injured luckily. Three SF cops drove by on motorcylces and just asked if anyone was injured and then drove off. No report, no nothing... So I call 911 and the operator states that the police no longer take accident reports. The bums did not even offer to call a tow truck. Nor did they help to guide traffic around the wreck. I wrote a letter to the office of Gavin Newesome. Never got a reply. he was too busy I guess figuring out ways to screw up the city of SF even more.:nope:

That's crazy! Good thing you didn't mix your trash or BBQ on a clean air red alert day, then you'd be screwed.:dead:

[STEED]

Do what I do, Burn it and stick to fingers up to the Council. :rotfl:

In your case one finger. ;)

[SUBMAN1]

They already do this in the PNW. Up here they, charge you an arm and a leg to throw out trash with it costing what? $33 a garbabe can? But the big huge recycle bin is free! Thats great incentive for me to throw most of my trash into the recycle bin for recycling!

-S

[UnderseaLcpl]

I hope they never try this in Ft.Worth.

If they do, I will just take all my garbage and dump it in the dumpsters outside city and state buildings. Or on the stairs.

Viva la resistance!

[Skybird]

No headless throwing away of garbage anymore, omg - the sky is falling!

We have that since over 15 years in Germany. No problem, no problem at all. And yes, local communities send a very small number of employees on street patrols to check, like they check for wrong parkers as well, bikes driven in pedestri9an zones etc. Again, no problem.

don't make this bigger than it is. What realkly worries you is that you are expected to make a minor adjustment to your habits you long since grew fond of. the future holds far bigger callibre of behavior changing on the ready for you and all of us, I promise you.

"Eco-fascism", oh come on, you do not know what facism means, then.

[Letum]

"Eco-fascism", oh come on, you do not know what facism means, then.


pfft.
This all over.

[Tchocky]

Do what I do, Burn it and stick to fingers up to the Council. :rotfl:

In your case one finger. ;)
Neighbour of mine used to burn huge amounts of plastic in his garden during the summer. Prevailing wind in my part of the country meant that thick black, cancerous smoke blew straight into my garden/house.
I'm not a violent person, so I suggested to him that if he continued to coat my house with his ****, I might return the favour.

[Zachstar]

If you don't like it, dispose of the rubbish your self.

Best line of the entire thread!

And I HIGHLY doubt they will go so far as to inspect each individual can and write tickets for small cases. It is likely more for the jackasses who cant take the few mins to get their garbage sorted...

It is not just about the environment.. The programs are helping the economy greatly and helping local governments reduce the problem of dealing with the massive amounts of garbage..

We do not need the drama... Take care of your trash and just move on...

[Zachstar]

Do what I do, Burn it and stick to fingers up to the Council. :rotfl:

In your case one finger. ;) Neighbour of mine used to burn huge amounts of plastic in his garden during the summer. Prevailing wind in my part of the country meant that thick black, cancerous smoke blew straight into my garden/house.
I'm not a violent person, so I suggested to him that if he continued to coat my house with his ****, I might return the favour.

Why did not not call the police?

Burning plastic releases toxins not only into the environment but into the homes of residents. If you could actually see smoke then you ought to have had the police come out...

[Jimbuna]

They no longer take smoke reports :lol:

[mrbeast]

No headless throwing away of garbage anymore, omg - the sky is falling!

We have that since over 15 years in Germany. No problem, no problem at all. And yes, local communities send a very small number of employees on street patrols to check, like they check for wrong parkers as well, bikes driven in pedestri9an zones etc. Again, no problem.

don't make this bigger than it is. What realkly worries you is that you are expected to make a minor adjustment to your habits you long since grew fond of. the future holds far bigger callibre of behavior changing on the ready for you and all of us, I promise you.

"Eco-fascism", oh come on, you do not know what facism means, then.

You have a good point there Skybird, the more small changes we make now the fewer big changes we have to make in the future. We already live under many rules similar to this, rules which while we might find a little inconvenient, nonetheless we take in our stride.

[nikimcbee]

[quote=Skybird]
"Eco-fascism", oh come on, you do not know what facism means, then.
quote]

Okay, you got me. I'll call them eco-nazis. Facism is an over used term anyway.

[Skybird]

[quote=Skybird]
"Eco-fascism", oh come on, you do not know what facism means, then.
quote]

Okay, you got me. I'll call them eco-nazis. Facism is an over used term anyway.

Nazism. :dead:

Learn what nazism is:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism

Okay, I understand that you feel harsh about a minor issue that you take queer since you are not used to it. Nevertheless, why the loud-yelling exaggerations? Is every policeman giving you a ticket for wrong parking commiting a crime against humanity, and is every ticket for jumping the traffic light equalling the evil of genocide?

You amercians are often so somewhat extreme! :lol: Not being totally liberal makes you an a complete anti-american, and talking about social responsibility makes you a complete communist. :doh: The star-spangeld banner should not be a pattern of red, white and blue, but just a black and a white square, me thinks sometimes! ;) :lol:

[nikimcbee]

[quote=Skybird]
"Eco-fascism", oh come on, you do not know what facism means, then.
quote]

Okay, you got me. I'll call them eco-nazis. Facism is an over used term anyway.

Nazism. :dead:

Learn what nazism is:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism

Okay, I understand that you feel harsh about a minor issue that you take queer since you are not used to it. Nevertheless, why the loud-yelling exaggerations? Is every policeman giving you a ticket for wrong parking commiting a crime against humanity, and is every ticket for jumping the traffic light equalling the evil of genocide?

You amercians are often so somewhat extreme! :lol: Not being totally liberal makes you an a complete anti-american, and talking about social responsibility makes you a complete communist. :doh: The star-spangeld banner should not be a pattern of red, white and blue, but just a black and a white square, me thinks sometimes! ;) :lol:


All of this is in San Fransisco, so they deserve their stupid laws. I'm just amazed how heavy handed they can be if you oppose their ideas (hence the nazi/facist) label. Oh and by the way, they (lefty/greenies) are rather free with their usage of the term nazi-facist, so here's a spoonful of your own medicine. Enjoy.

I just glad to know that the SF police have nothing better to do than enforce garbage laws (no pun intended):dead:

And this "social responsibility" is just a sneaky way to get into your wallet. Stay out of my wallet!:stare:

[STEED]

Do what I do, Burn it and stick to fingers up to the Council. :rotfl:

In your case one finger. ;) Neighbour of mine used to burn huge amounts of plastic in his garden during the summer. Prevailing wind in my part of the country meant that thick black, cancerous smoke blew straight into my garden/house.
I'm not a violent person, so I suggested to him that if he continued to coat my house with his ****, I might return the favour.

Why did not not call the police?

Burning plastic releases toxins not only into the environment but into the homes of residents. If you could actually see smoke then you ought to have had the police come out...

I just like to add my council collects my plastics so there is no need to burn it. Any way I hate the smell of burning plastic makes me vomit all over the place.

[Skybird]

All of this is in San Fransisco, so they deserve their stupid laws. I'm just amazed how heavy handed they can be if you oppose their ideas (hence the nazi/facist) label. Oh and by the way, they (lefty/greenies) are rather free with their usage of the term nazi-facist, so here's a spoonful of your own medicine. Enjoy.

I just glad to know that the SF police have nothing better to do than enforce garbage laws (no pun intended):dead:

And this "social responsibility" is just a sneaky way to get into your wallet. Stay out of my wallet!:stare:

Black and white.

[August]

Black and white.

That's right.

[Platapus]

Sifting through trash sounds like a great job for prisoners. :up:

[nikimcbee]

[quote=Skybird]
"Eco-fascism", oh come on, you do not know what facism means, then.
quote]

Okay, you got me. I'll call them eco-nazis. Facism is an over used term anyway.

Nazism. :dead:

Learn what nazism is:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism
;) :lol:

That's Why this BS needs to be stopped now! I'm sick of having our freedoms nickled and dimed away to socialism. I'm not angry at you skybird, so please don't take this personally, but you say "you Americans" well I'm @$#$% sick of cleaning up "You Europeans" messes. If you guys (continental Europeans) have no problem with giving away your freedom, don't come crying to us the next time you don't have any freedom left and you need to be "liberated." You guys need to have a little back bone. All this stuff may seem harmless now, afterall, it's only trash, but they'll be back for more.

I was thinking about this this morning. There is a good reason that America (the US atleast, I can't vouch for what Canadians think) is the way it is and has the attitutes it does.

It's all about individual freedom. If we valued our "collective" rights we (every American immigrant) we would have stayed in Europe. I've live in Europe and I've seen how Europeans have a tough time understanding American individualism.

I'm afraid I do know what a nazi is,and that's why this silly stuff needs to be snuffed out now before this cancer grows out of control.

[Wolfehunter]

Christ that is as bad as having a language police....:o What are them greenpolice going to do when a baby poops? 1 day in the slammer for soiling the earth?:damn:

[August]

That's Why this BS needs to be stopped now! I'm sick of having our freedoms nickled and dimed away to socialism. I'm not angry at you skybird, so please don't take this personally, but you say "you Americans" well I'm @$#$% sick of cleaning up "You Europeans" messes. If you guys (continental Europeans) have no problem with giving away your freedom, don't come crying to us the next time you don't have any freedom left and you need to be "liberated." You guys need to have a little back bone. All this stuff may seem harmless now, afterall, it's only trash, but they'll be back for more.

I was thinking about this this morning. There is a good reason that America (the US atleast, I can't vouch for what Canadians think) is the way it is and has the attitutes it does.

It's all about individual freedom. If we valued our "collective" rights we (every American immigrant) we would have stayed in Europe. I've live in Europe and I've seen how Europeans have a tough time understanding American individualism.

I'm afraid I do know what a nazi is,and that's why this silly stuff needs to be snuffed out now before this cancer grows out of control.

Well said! :up:

[nikimcbee]

Just look at the smoking laws here. I don't smoke and I hate smoking, but I think they still have a right to smoke in their own homes and cars.

I'm just tired of nanny-state socialism.

[nikimcbee]

I don't have a problem with recycling, but it's the fact that they are forcing the issue that upsets me.

[August]

Just like popular anti-smoking sentiment is used to justify fleecing smokers for enormous and unfair tax revenues, I expect similar tactics will be employed by nanny state advocates for just about anything.

[nikimcbee]

"Eco-fascism", oh come on, you do not know what facism means, then.


pfft.
This all over.

Yeah, popcorn is on the house.:up:

[Zachstar]

Just like popular anti-smoking sentiment is used to justify fleecing smokers for enormous and unfair tax revenues, I expect similar tactics will be employed by nanny state advocates for just about anything.

ohh boo hoo The economy will not have to endure thousands of additional cases of lung cancer and other problems in the future...

Don't like it? Don't Smoke or research the laws affecting the taxes and find reasonable work abounds. Such as possibly less taxes when you roll your own with can tobacco instead of being prison raped with the taxes on Packs..

[nikimcbee]

Okay, I re-read the whole article (I have nothing better to do tonight:roll: ) and I'm still pissed off. And here's why:

"
The plan to require proper sorting of refuse would be the nation's first mandatory recycling and composting law. It would direct garbage collectors to inspect the trash to make sure it is put into the right blue, black or green bin, according to a draft of the legislation prepared by the city's Department of the Environment.
The program is designed to limit the amount of food and foliage that goes into the city-contracted landfill in Alameda County, where the refuse takes up costly space and decomposes to form methane, one of the most potent of greenhouse gases. It will also help San Francisco, which city officials say currently diverts 70 percent of its waste from landfills, achieve a goal set by the Board of Supervisors to divert 75 percent by 2010 and have zero waste by 2020. "

This is why I'll never live the this goofy state (Kali-fornia).


They have no money, but they are creating a new layer of government "Dept of Enviroment". That's more big fat Gov't union salaries and endless pensions at tax payer expense:damn: . You gotta be $^%$^% kidding me.
It creates methane gas. There's another energy source! Stick a pipe in that landfill and utilize the resource.

[nikimcbee]

Just like popular anti-smoking sentiment is used to justify fleecing smokers for enormous and unfair tax revenues, I expect similar tactics will be employed by nanny state advocates for just about anything.

ohh boo hoo The economy will not have to endure thousands of additional cases of lung cancer and other problems in the future...

Don't like it? Don't Smoke or research the laws affecting the taxes and find reasonable work abounds. Such as possibly less taxes when you roll your own with can tobacco instead of being prison raped with the taxes on Packs..

I totally agree, but the problem is when the state bases their funding on something they want to stop, where do they get their money from to fund their programs? They find something else to tax.

[August]

ohh boo hoo The economy will not have to endure thousands of additional cases of lung cancer and other problems in the future...

Don't like it? Don't Smoke or research the laws affecting the taxes and find reasonable work abounds. Such as possibly less taxes when you roll your own with can tobacco instead of being prison raped with the taxes on Packs..

First off friend, it's been just over 11 months since I smoked my last cigarette and I didn't quit because of nanny state cigarette taxes.

Second, even if you are right and it actually reduces the amount of smoking related illnesses then that means those people will likely live long enough to start collecting social security, which i'll bet will cost society far more money in the long run.

Third, anyone that actually thinks the government is doing this to reduce smoking related illness is a fool. It's all about revenue generation, which will have to be replaced by other means someday, and the op is just one possibility.

Finally, you're forgetting that there is a third choice which pays no taxes at all, and that is called the black market. If they can't stop illegal drug use what makes you think they'll be able to prevent people from buying their tobacco in rolled up baggies like pot smokers do?

A whole new class of criminalized users to clog up our jails. A new and lucrative market for gangsters to exploit with all the associated crime that entails. Now doesn't that sound just great?

[Frame57]

True story here! I was in a wreck in SF about 3 years back. The van flipped on its side and caufgt fire. I nor the other driver was injured luckily. Three SF cops drove by on motorcylces and just asked if anyone was injured and then drove off. No report, no nothing... So I call 911 and the operator states that the police no longer take accident reports. The bums did not even offer to call a tow truck. Nor did they help to guide traffic around the wreck. I wrote a letter to the office of Gavin Newesome. Never got a reply. he was too busy I guess figuring out ways to screw up the city of SF even more.:nope:

That's crazy! Good thing you didn't mix your trash or BBQ on a clean air red alert day, then you'd be screwed.:dead:No doubt! It is sickening that these crazy bastards make these kind of decisions, when they need to clean up the human waste the street bums produce. The streets of San Fransicko are a hazmat area.

[Skybird]

[quote=Skybird]
"Eco-fascism", oh come on, you do not know what facism means, then.
quote]

Okay, you got me. I'll call them eco-nazis. Facism is an over used term anyway.

Nazism. :dead:

Learn what nazism is:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism
;) :lol:

That's Why this BS needs to be stopped now! I'm sick of having our freedoms nickled and dimed away to socialism. I'm not angry at you skybird, so please don't take this personally, but you say "you Americans" well I'm @$#$% sick of cleaning up "You Europeans" messes. If you guys (continental Europeans) have no problem with giving away your freedom, don't come crying to us the next time you don't have any freedom left and you need to be "liberated." You guys need to have a little back bone. All this stuff may seem harmless now, afterall, it's only trash, but they'll be back for more.

I was thinking about this this morning. There is a good reason that America (the US atleast, I can't vouch for what Canadians think) is the way it is and has the attitutes it does.

It's all about individual freedom. If we valued our "collective" rights we (every American immigrant) we would have stayed in Europe. I've live in Europe and I've seen how Europeans have a tough time understanding American individualism.

I'm afraid I do know what a nazi is,and that's why this silly stuff needs to be snuffed out now before this cancer grows out of control.

Some days ago American bankers and representatives of the Fed were in europe and promised to ask for and copy recipes to counter the financial mess at their home. Things of closer control and less liberal market philosophy all of a suddenly are attractive for america (not that it not always has been one of the most protect markets anyway...). Sinc elonger time, many american citizens already have understood that the old ameircna way of handling environmentla issues - not handling them at all, that was - can no longer be followed. Gas has become to expensive. Your state deficit and your depts are financed by foreign nnations. Many industrial key areas and plenty of jobs had been sold to foreigners, and into foreign countries. Just yesterday Greenspan warned that more American banks probably will collapse. Your infrastructure would need 1.5 trillion in investements over th enext 5 years plus additonal investements just save it in its current seriously damages shape. Ypur Iraq war in the main has been payed for by china. Your fiance system would collapse if foreigners like china and Europe would stop to buy worthless american treasury bonds. At OPEC more and more people openly philosophize abiut doing trasnactions in oil not in dollars but euros, which would mean an end to america's löicense to pr9nt money.

Your country simply doe snot live by itself, but lives on tick.

So, say: in what way to you think america would clean up Europe's mess? Fact is that much of the rest of the globe is paying for your financial and economic sins of the past to keep you uup running os that you can still take in some more imports. America has accepted to catapult itself into a very dangerous and critical dependence from other nations, financially. and if the others do not wish to pay for that any more, it would collapse.

I think you have a very overestimated self-perception. This is not the US of 1945. A fuse is already burning - and you try to declare it a good cigar, but: smoking kills. :D

[nikimcbee]

[quote=Skybird]
"Eco-fascism", oh come on, you do not know what facism means, then.
quote]

Okay, you got me. I'll call them eco-nazis. Facism is an over used term anyway.

Nazism. :dead:

Learn what nazism is:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism
;) :lol:

That's Why this BS needs to be stopped now! I'm sick of having our freedoms nickled and dimed away to socialism. I'm not angry at you skybird, so please don't take this personally, but you say "you Americans" well I'm @$#$% sick of cleaning up "You Europeans" messes. If you guys (continental Europeans) have no problem with giving away your freedom, don't come crying to us the next time you don't have any freedom left and you need to be "liberated." You guys need to have a little back bone. All this stuff may seem harmless now, afterall, it's only trash, but they'll be back for more.

I was thinking about this this morning. There is a good reason that America (the US atleast, I can't vouch for what Canadians think) is the way it is and has the attitutes it does.

It's all about individual freedom. If we valued our "collective" rights we (every American immigrant) we would have stayed in Europe. I've live in Europe and I've seen how Europeans have a tough time understanding American individualism.

I'm afraid I do know what a nazi is,and that's why this silly stuff needs to be snuffed out now before this cancer grows out of control.

Some days ago American bankers and representatives of the Fed were in europe and promised to ask for and copy recipes to counter the financial mess at their home. Things of closer control and less liberal market philosophy all of a suddenly are attractive for america (not that it not always has been one of the most protect markets anyway...). Sinc elonger time, many american citizens already have understood that the old ameircna way of handling environmentla issues - not handling them at all, that was - can no longer be followed. Gas has become to expensive. Your state deficit and your depts are financed by foreign nnations. Many industrial key areas and plenty of jobs had been sold to foreigners, and into foreign countries. Just yesterday Greenspan warned that more American banks probably will collapse. Your infrastructure would need 1.5 trillion in investements over th enext 5 years plus additonal investements just save it in its current seriously damages shape. Ypur Iraq war in the main has been payed for by china. Your fiance system would collapse if foreigners like china and Europe would stop to buy worthless american treasury bonds. At OPEC more and more people openly philosophize abiut doing trasnactions in oil not in dollars but euros, which would mean an end to america's löicense to pr9nt money.

Your country simply doe snot live by itself, but lives on tick.

So, say: in what way to you think america would clean up Europe's mess? Fact is that much of the rest of the globe is paying for your financial and economic sins of the past to keep you uup running os that you can still take in some more imports. America has accepted to catapult itself into a very dangerous and critical dependence from other nations, financially. and if the others do not wish to pay for that any more, it would collapse.

I think you have a very overestimated self-perception. This is not the US of 1945. A fuse is already burning - and you try to declare it a good cigar, but: smoking kills. :D

Well, skybird, you are definatley right about this, it is not the America of 1945!:shifty: One thing that really makes me mad about my country, is that we are not (collectively:roll: ) financially responsible. This problem is top to bottom. We are simply living waaaaay beyond our means. One day our additction to credit is going to catch up with us and it won't be pretty. (if it hasn't already)

The thing about this article that really pisses me off, is that these elected officials and lower level bureaucrates think they can do whatever they want without consequences. I live in a VERY liberal city, and they are killing the local economy with their eco-socialist policies. People have voted for measures and a few local bureaucrates have subverted the people's will and killed very good projects because they didn't believe in it. This whole thing isn't about "saving the planet" it's about generating money. Another good example of what I'm talking about are the red light cameras. In theory, it's nice, they are saving lives, but they generate so much money, a local Oregon city gov't had violated the law and (secretly) installed more secret red light cameras than they were allowed to so they could generate more money for the city. They got caught and were forced to remove them. Their explanation: "oops sorry.":nope: they are seeing what they can get away with. "We got away with X now lets try Y.

The whole thing is very clear, in my veiw, it's tyranny of the minority. Nazism, Bolshevism, they all started out as an innocent minority and grew to an awful cancer.

So, I'll end this with an open question to everybody that thinks this is a good idea:

1. Do you work (have a regular job, non gov't)?
2. At what point is enough enough? When will you grow tired of the amount of your personal money the gov't insists to take from you? 5%, 10% 30%, 50%, 75%, 100%?

[UnderseaLcpl]

So, I'll end this with an open question to everybody that thinks this is a good idea:

1. Do you work (have a regular job, non gov't)?
2. At what point is enough enough? When will you grow tired of the amount of your personal money the gov't insists to take from you? 5%, 10% 30%, 50%, 75%, 100%?


1. Yes. Union railroad job.

2. I got tired 18% ago, I pay about 33% (local,state,and federal). When I factor in all the other taxes (gas tax, sales tax, utilities taxes, indirect taxation in the form of corporations being taxed resulting in higher prices for goods and services, the insidious "inflation tax" all registration tax , licensing tax, the "why the hell not" tax and the tax tax) I have no idea what i actually pay.

I'm going to try not to jump in on this thread too much, even though I generally support your argument. Everyone who cares already knows what I think anyway.

Keep up the fight:up:

and can someone pass me some popcorn too,please?

[nikimcbee]

So, I'll end this with an open question to everybody that thinks this is a good idea:

1. Do you work (have a regular job, non gov't)?
2. At what point is enough enough? When will you grow tired of the amount of your personal money the gov't insists to take from you? 5%, 10% 30%, 50%, 75%, 100%?


1. Yes. Union railroad job.

2. I got tired 18% ago, I pay about 33% (local,state,and federal). When I factor in all the other taxes (gas tax, sales tax, utilities taxes, indirect taxation in the form of corporations being taxed resulting in higher prices for goods and services, the insidious "inflation tax" all registration tax , licensing tax, the "why the hell not" tax and the tax tax) I have no idea what i actually pay.

I'm going to try not to jump in on this thread too much, even though I generally support your argument. Everyone who cares already knows what I think anyway.

Keep up the fight:up:

and can someone pass me some popcorn too,please?

Roger that. Butter or no butter?

It's just these silly eco-socalist ideas need to be contained to SF. They deserve what they vote for.

[Tchocky]

Weeell, the public cost of unrecycled waste is higher than that of recycled waste. There is a higher environmental cost, and a higher cost of finding somewhere to put all the damn stuff. If you're dumping recyclable waste in the same way as non-recycleable waste then you deserve to pay the higher cost. It's called responsibility.

[Skybird]

[quote=Skybird]
"Eco-fascism", oh come on, you do not know what facism means, then.
quote]

Okay, you got me. I'll call them eco-nazis. Facism is an over used term anyway.

Nazism. :dead:

Learn what nazism is:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism
;) :lol:

That's Why this BS needs to be stopped now! I'm sick of having our freedoms nickled and dimed away to socialism. I'm not angry at you skybird, so please don't take this personally, but you say "you Americans" well I'm @$#$% sick of cleaning up "You Europeans" messes. If you guys (continental Europeans) have no problem with giving away your freedom, don't come crying to us the next time you don't have any freedom left and you need to be "liberated." You guys need to have a little back bone. All this stuff may seem harmless now, afterall, it's only trash, but they'll be back for more.

I was thinking about this this morning. There is a good reason that America (the US atleast, I can't vouch for what Canadians think) is the way it is and has the attitutes it does.

It's all about individual freedom. If we valued our "collective" rights we (every American immigrant) we would have stayed in Europe. I've live in Europe and I've seen how Europeans have a tough time understanding American individualism.

I'm afraid I do know what a nazi is,and that's why this silly stuff needs to be snuffed out now before this cancer grows out of control.

Some days ago American bankers and representatives of the Fed were in europe and promised to ask for and copy recipes to counter the financial mess at their home. Things of closer control and less liberal market philosophy all of a suddenly are attractive for america (not that it not always has been one of the most protect markets anyway...). Sinc elonger time, many american citizens already have understood that the old ameircna way of handling environmentla issues - not handling them at all, that was - can no longer be followed. Gas has become to expensive. Your state deficit and your depts are financed by foreign nnations. Many industrial key areas and plenty of jobs had been sold to foreigners, and into foreign countries. Just yesterday Greenspan warned that more American banks probably will collapse. Your infrastructure would need 1.5 trillion in investements over th enext 5 years plus additonal investements just save it in its current seriously damages shape. Ypur Iraq war in the main has been payed for by china. Your fiance system would collapse if foreigners like china and Europe would stop to buy worthless american treasury bonds. At OPEC more and more people openly philosophize abiut doing trasnactions in oil not in dollars but euros, which would mean an end to america's löicense to pr9nt money.

Your country simply doe snot live by itself, but lives on tick.

So, say: in what way to you think america would clean up Europe's mess? Fact is that much of the rest of the globe is paying for your financial and economic sins of the past to keep you uup running os that you can still take in some more imports. America has accepted to catapult itself into a very dangerous and critical dependence from other nations, financially. and if the others do not wish to pay for that any more, it would collapse.

I think you have a very overestimated self-perception. This is not the US of 1945. A fuse is already burning - and you try to declare it a good cigar, but: smoking kills. :D

Well, skybird, you are definatley right about this, it is not the America of 1945!:shifty: One thing that really makes me mad about my country, is that we are not (collectively:roll: ) financially responsible. This problem is top to bottom. We are simply living waaaaay beyond our means. One day our additction to credit is going to catch up with us and it won't be pretty. (if it hasn't already)

The thing about this article that really pisses me off, is that these elected officials and lower level bureaucrates think they can do whatever they want without consequences. I live in a VERY liberal city, and they are killing the local economy with their eco-socialist policies. People have voted for measures and a few local bureaucrates have subverted the people's will and killed very good projects because they didn't believe in it. This whole thing isn't about "saving the planet" it's about generating money. Another good example of what I'm talking about are the red light cameras. In theory, it's nice, they are saving lives, but they generate so much money, a local Oregon city gov't had violated the law and (secretly) installed more secret red light cameras than they were allowed to so they could generate more money for the city. They got caught and were forced to remove them. Their explanation: "oops sorry.":nope: they are seeing what they can get away with. "We got away with X now lets try Y.

The whole thing is very clear, in my veiw, it's tyranny of the minority. Nazism, Bolshevism, they all started out as an innocent minority and grew to an awful cancer.

So, I'll end this with an open question to everybody that thinks this is a good idea:

1. Do you work (have a regular job, non gov't)?
2. At what point is enough enough? When will you grow tired of the amount of your personal money the gov't insists to take from you? 5%, 10% 30%, 50%, 75%, 100%?

Well, Nicki, giving tickets for wrong parking or making a mess of garbage that households refuse to separate, and 60 million people dead from fascist tyranny, the hoprror of KZs, and a whole generation of young germans being brainwashed and abused by Nazism for the sake of eternal war and conquest and racism - I must say i take your comparison of these two a bit queer. It does not compare, simply that, in no way. Not today, and not tomorrow.

[nikimcbee]

[quote=Skybird]
"Eco-fascism", oh come on, you do not know what facism means, then.
quote]

Okay, you got me. I'll call them eco-nazis. Facism is an over used term anyway.

Nazism. :dead:

Learn what nazism is:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism
;) :lol:

That's Why this BS needs to be stopped now! I'm sick of having our freedoms nickled and dimed away to socialism. I'm not angry at you skybird, so please don't take this personally, but you say "you Americans" well I'm @$#$% sick of cleaning up "You Europeans" messes. If you guys (continental Europeans) have no problem with giving away your freedom, don't come crying to us the next time you don't have any freedom left and you need to be "liberated." You guys need to have a little back bone. All this stuff may seem harmless now, afterall, it's only trash, but they'll be back for more.

I was thinking about this this morning. There is a good reason that America (the US atleast, I can't vouch for what Canadians think) is the way it is and has the attitutes it does.

It's all about individual freedom. If we valued our "collective" rights we (every American immigrant) we would have stayed in Europe. I've live in Europe and I've seen how Europeans have a tough time understanding American individualism.

I'm afraid I do know what a nazi is,and that's why this silly stuff needs to be snuffed out now before this cancer grows out of control.

Some days ago American bankers and representatives of the Fed were in europe and promised to ask for and copy recipes to counter the financial mess at their home. Things of closer control and less liberal market philosophy all of a suddenly are attractive for america (not that it not always has been one of the most protect markets anyway...). Sinc elonger time, many american citizens already have understood that the old ameircna way of handling environmentla issues - not handling them at all, that was - can no longer be followed. Gas has become to expensive. Your state deficit and your depts are financed by foreign nnations. Many industrial key areas and plenty of jobs had been sold to foreigners, and into foreign countries. Just yesterday Greenspan warned that more American banks probably will collapse. Your infrastructure would need 1.5 trillion in investements over th enext 5 years plus additonal investements just save it in its current seriously damages shape. Ypur Iraq war in the main has been payed for by china. Your fiance system would collapse if foreigners like china and Europe would stop to buy worthless american treasury bonds. At OPEC more and more people openly philosophize abiut doing trasnactions in oil not in dollars but euros, which would mean an end to america's löicense to pr9nt money.

Your country simply doe snot live by itself, but lives on tick.

So, say: in what way to you think america would clean up Europe's mess? Fact is that much of the rest of the globe is paying for your financial and economic sins of the past to keep you uup running os that you can still take in some more imports. America has accepted to catapult itself into a very dangerous and critical dependence from other nations, financially. and if the others do not wish to pay for that any more, it would collapse.

I think you have a very overestimated self-perception. This is not the US of 1945. A fuse is already burning - and you try to declare it a good cigar, but: smoking kills. :D

Well, skybird, you are definatley right about this, it is not the America of 1945!:shifty: One thing that really makes me mad about my country, is that we are not (collectively:roll: ) financially responsible. This problem is top to bottom. We are simply living waaaaay beyond our means. One day our additction to credit is going to catch up with us and it won't be pretty. (if it hasn't already)

The thing about this article that really pisses me off, is that these elected officials and lower level bureaucrates think they can do whatever they want without consequences. I live in a VERY liberal city, and they are killing the local economy with their eco-socialist policies. People have voted for measures and a few local bureaucrates have subverted the people's will and killed very good projects because they didn't believe in it. This whole thing isn't about "saving the planet" it's about generating money. Another good example of what I'm talking about are the red light cameras. In theory, it's nice, they are saving lives, but they generate so much money, a local Oregon city gov't had violated the law and (secretly) installed more secret red light cameras than they were allowed to so they could generate more money for the city. They got caught and were forced to remove them. Their explanation: "oops sorry.":nope: they are seeing what they can get away with. "We got away with X now lets try Y.

The whole thing is very clear, in my veiw, it's tyranny of the minority. Nazism, Bolshevism, they all started out as an innocent minority and grew to an awful cancer.

So, I'll end this with an open question to everybody that thinks this is a good idea:

1. Do you work (have a regular job, non gov't)?
2. At what point is enough enough? When will you grow tired of the amount of your personal money the gov't insists to take from you? 5%, 10% 30%, 50%, 75%, 100%?

Well, Nicki, giving tickets for wrong parking or making a mess of garbage that households refuse to separate, and 60 million people dead from fascist tyranny, the hoprror of KZs, and a whole generation of young germans being brainwashed and abused by Nazism for the sake of eternal war and conquest and racism - I must say i take your comparison of these two a bit queer. It does not compare, simply that, in no way. Not today, and not tomorrow.

Sure it does. nazism (National Socialism) and communism started out as a simple idea and it grew. First they're seizing people who won't comply, the next thing you know, their gassing people and putting them in labor camps. Look at political correctness and how out of hand that has become.
it's not about recycling, it's about POLICE enforcing this.

[Tchocky]

Sure it does. nazism (National Socialism) and communism started out as a simple idea and it grew. First they're seizing people who won't comply, the next thing you know, their gassing people and putting them in labor camps. Look at political correctness and how out of hand that has become.
it's not about recycling, it's about POLICE enforcing this.

There is no mention of police in the article. This is nothing to do with fascism, it's about people who are too lazy to recycle being influenced otherwise. Making the connection to Nazism/fascism is a giant "**** you" to anyone who has suffered unjustly through state power. I can't believe you're honestly making this argument, I hope this is a joke and I look a giant fool.

[nikimcbee]

The next thing their going to want is treefiddy


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=plShzNaq9wk&feature=related

Just for skybird
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-BWrRNGtAww&NR=1

[nikimcbee]

Sure it does. nazism (National Socialism) and communism started out as a simple idea and it grew. First they're seizing people who won't comply, the next thing you know, their gassing people and putting them in labor camps. Look at political correctness and how out of hand that has become.
it's not about recycling, it's about POLICE enforcing this.

There is no mention of police in the article. This is nothing to do with fascism, it's about people who are too lazy to recycle being influenced otherwise. Making the connection to Nazism/fascism is a giant "**** you" to anyone who has suffered unjustly through state power. I can't believe you're honestly making this argument, I hope this is a joke and I look a giant fool.


Skeptics call Newsom's plan unworkable and see it as the latest intrusion from heavy-handed city government, which has outlawed smoking in parks and feeding pigeons in much of the city.
Duboce Triangle resident Mark Cromwell, a 53-year-old personal assistant, called the proposed law "laughable."
"Do we want our garbage collectors to be the meter maids of trash?" Cromwell said. "Good luck placing blame on the recycling criminal, especially in big apartment buildings. I will stop recycling if this law goes into effect just to become an eventual test case. Dictators are anathema, no matter which side of the political spectrum they come from."

Who enforces the laws at some point?

[Tchocky]

Next they'll be fining us for parking in the wrong place, driving too fast. What next?

Comparing recycling laws to Nazism is a disgusting product of extreme privilege. Seriously.

This guy going on about dictators? Someone needs a slap.

[nikimcbee]

Next they'll be fining us for parking in the wrong place, driving too fast. What next?

Comparing recycling laws to Nazism is a disgusting product of extreme privilege. Seriously.

This guy going on about dictators? Someone needs a slap.

whatever:roll: I do have a funny story about the local parking nazis.

[nikimcbee]

Speaking of nazi stormtroopers
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIZeE9BHxc0&feature=related