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SUBMAN1
07-08-08, 10:49 AM
WTH is he thinking? Way to bankrupt America! This will cost us $845 Billion! Do politicians think money just grows on trees over here? Our current aid never makes it to the poor already - ever! It just finances corrupt governments!

-S

Obama bill: $845 billion
more for global poverty
Democrat sponsors act OK'd by Senate panel
that would cost 0.7% of gross national product

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Sen. Barack Obama, perhaps giving America a preview of priorities he would pursue if elected president, is rejoicing over the Senate committee passage of a plan that could end up costing taxpayers billions of dollars in an attempt to reduce poverty in other nations.


The bill, called the Global Poverty Act, is the type of legislation, "We can – and must – make … a priority," (http://obama.senate.gov/press/071211-obama_hagel_can/) said Obama, a co-sponsor.


It would demand that the president develop "and implement" a policy to "cut extreme global poverty in half by 2015 through aid, trade, debt relief" and other programs.


When word about what appears to be a massive new spending program started getting out, the reaction was immediate.


"It's not our job to cut global poverty," said one commenter on a Yahoo news forum. "These people need to learn how to fish themselves. If we keep throwing them fish, the fish will rot."

Many Americans were alerted to the legislation by a report from Cliff Kincaid at Accuracy in Media. (http://www.aim.org/) He published a critique asserting that while the Global Poverty Act sounds nice, the adoption could "result in the imposition of a global tax on the United States" and would make levels "of U.S. foreign aid spending subservient to the dictates of the United Nations."


He said the legislation, if approved, dedicates 0.7 percent of the U.S. gross national product to foreign aid, which over 13 years he said would amount to $845 billion "over and above what the U.S. already spends."


The plan passed the House in 2007 "because most members didn't realize what was in it," Kincaid reported. "Congressional sponsors have been careful not to calculate the amount of foreign aid spending that it would require."


A statement from Obama's office this week noted the support offered by the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.


"With billions of people living on just dollars a day around the world, global poverty remains one of the greatest challenges and tragedies the international community faces," Obama said. "It must be a priority of American foreign policy to commit to eliminating extreme poverty and ensuring every child has food, shelter, and clean drinking water. As we strive to rebuild America's standing in the world, this important bill will demonstrate our promise and commitment to those in the developing world.


"Our commitment to the global economy must extend beyond trade agreements that are more about increasing profits than about helping workers and small farmers everywhere," he continued.


The bill institutes the United Nations Millennium Summit goals as the benchmarks for U.S. spending.


"It is time the United States makes it a priority of our foreign policy to meet this goal and help those who are struggling day to day," a statement issued by supporters, including Obama, said.


Specifically, it would "declare" that the official U.S. policy is to eliminate global poverty, that the president is "required" to "develop and implement" a strategy to reach that goal and requires that the U.S. efforts be "specific and measurable."


Kincaid said that after cutting through all of the honorable-sounding goals in the plan, the bottom line is that the legislation would mandate the 0.7 percent of the U.S. GNP as "official development assistance."


"In addition to seeking to eradicate poverty, that (U.N.) declaration commits nations to banning 'small arms and light weapons' and ratifying a series of treaties, including the International Criminal Court Treaty, the Kyoto Protocol (global warming treaty), the Convention of Biological Diversity, the Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Discrimination Against Women and the Convention of the Rights of the Child," he said.


Those U.N. protocols would make U.S. law on issues ranging from the 2nd Amendment to energy usage and parental rights all subservient to United Nations whims.


Kincaid also reported Jeffrey Sachs, who runs the "Millennium Project," confirms a U.N. plan to force the U.S. to pay 0.7 percent of GNP would add about $65 billion a year to what the U.S. already donates overseas.
And the only way to raise that funding, Sachs confirms, "is through a global tax, preferably on carbon-emitting fossil fuels," Kincaid writes.


On the forum run by Americans for Legal Immigration PAC, (http://www.alipac.org/) one writer reported estimates of taxes from 35 cents to $1 dollar a gallon on gasoline would be needed.


"This is disgusting, sickening and angers me to the depths of my soul," the forum author wrote. "Obama wants us to support the world. I wonder how they intend to eliminate poverty. Most of the money always winds up in some dictator hands and in the U.N. coffers."


WND calls to Obama's office, as well as the offices of others who supported the plan, were not successful in obtaining a comment.


Another forum participant said, "Yes, and we should also eliminate sickness of any kind and get rid of poverty as well. Then, too, we should make certain that everyone in the world has equal assets, equal money, a college education, etc… After that, or maybe while we are solving all of the world's little problems, we can take care of the polar bears, eliminate the internal combustion engine, and, and, and… Oh dear, if only we would just go ahead and do all the things the dreamers want us to do. Let's stop using oil and burning coal while we're at it. Then we can make it illegal to be overweight and then we can. ..."


One forum contributor said since the legislation doesn't specifically demand "taxes," but instead leaves the mandatory "implementation" up to the president, "maybe the tooth fairy will leave [this new money] under the president's pillow."


Kincaid reported several more budget-minded senators have put a hold on the legislation "in order to prevent it from being rushed to the floor for a full Senate vote."


The legislation requires the president to do whatever is required to fulfill a strategy that would result in "the elimination of extreme global poverty and the achievement of the Millennium Development Goal of reducing by one-half the proportion of people worldwide … who live on less than $1 per day."


It further requires the president not only to accomplish that goal but, "not later than one year after the date of the enactment of this act," to submit a report on "the contributions provided by the United States" toward poverty reduction.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=56405

SUBMAN1
07-08-08, 10:54 AM
This is about to be voted on. All Americans I urge you to contact your Senate representatives.

Here is an easy way to do it:

http://www.cfiflistmanager.org/globalpovertyactvibe.html

-S

Tchocky
07-08-08, 10:56 AM
Many Americans were alerted to the legislation by a report from Cliff Kincaid at Accuracy in Media. (http://www.aim.org/) He published a critique asserting that while the Global Poverty Act sounds nice, the adoption could "result in the imposition of a global tax on the United States" and would make levels "of U.S. foreign aid spending subservient to the dictates of the United Nations."


He said the legislation, if approved, dedicates 0.7 percent of the U.S. gross national product to foreign aid, which over 13 years he said would amount to $845 billion "over and above what the U.S. already spends."
Read the bill, there's no financial target in it, just a requirement that the president adopt a plan.

http://www.thomas.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c110:H.R.1302:

Although, I guess if AIM and WorldNetDaily say it's true, why question?

SUBMAN1
07-08-08, 11:04 AM
Many Americans were alerted to the legislation by a report from Cliff Kincaid at Accuracy in Media. (http://www.aim.org/) He published a critique asserting that while the Global Poverty Act sounds nice, the adoption could "result in the imposition of a global tax on the United States" and would make levels "of U.S. foreign aid spending subservient to the dictates of the United Nations."


He said the legislation, if approved, dedicates 0.7 percent of the U.S. gross national product to foreign aid, which over 13 years he said would amount to $845 billion "over and above what the U.S. already spends."
Read the bill, there's no financial target in it, just a requirement that the president adopt a plan.

http://www.thomas.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c110:H.R.1302:

Although, I guess if AIM and WorldNetDaily say it's true, why question?Thats garbage. It requires us meet a standard. That standard is to be found with the UN who will be the ones giving away our money. Read the above article.

It also removes the US from being a soveriegn country and place powers with the UN.

One of those rules requires that nations give up its small arms - that Includes the United States - that means no 2nd Amendment rights for us.

Many bad things with this bill. That bill is written in a way so that it flies over the head of the conservatives in government, because the rest of the story is with the UN and it is not listed in the bill.

-S

PS. Read this part:

"In addition to seeking to eradicate poverty, that (U.N.) declaration commits nations to banning 'small arms and light weapons' and ratifying a series of treaties, including the International Criminal Court Treaty, the Kyoto Protocol (global warming treaty), the Convention of Biological Diversity, the Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Discrimination Against Women and the Convention of the Rights of the Child," he said.


Those U.N. protocols would make U.S. law on issues ranging from the 2nd Amendment to energy usage and parental rights all subservient to United Nations whims.

Full article is here - http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=56405

fatty
07-08-08, 11:26 AM
Many Americans were alerted to the legislation by a report from Cliff Kincaid at Accuracy in Media. (http://www.aim.org/) He published a critique asserting that while the Global Poverty Act sounds nice, the adoption could "result in the imposition of a global tax on the United States" and would make levels "of U.S. foreign aid spending subservient to the dictates of the United Nations."


He said the legislation, if approved, dedicates 0.7 percent of the U.S. gross national product to foreign aid, which over 13 years he said would amount to $845 billion "over and above what the U.S. already spends."
Read the bill, there's no financial target in it, just a requirement that the president adopt a plan.

http://www.thomas.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c110:H.R.1302:

Although, I guess if AIM and WorldNetDaily say it's true, why question?Thats garbage. It requires us meet a standard. That standard is to be found with the UN who will be the ones giving away our money. Read the above article.

It also removes the US from being a soveriegn country and place powers with the UN.

One of those rules requires that nations give up its small arms - that Includes the United States - that means no 2nd Amendment rights for us.

Many bad things with this bill. That bill is written in a way so that it flies over the head of the conservatives in government, because the rest of the story is with the UN and it is not listed in the bill.


Tchocky is not pulling your leg. Have you read the bill for yourself? There really are no financial schedules or appropriations set out. Yes, it suggests that the comprehensive strategy be aimed to fulfill the Millennium Development goals but there are no set minimums of x billions to contribute to any individual or organization, including the UN. In fact, if I were to criticize this bill it would be on the grounds that it leaves the president's options so open-ended and doesn't really establish any solid standards against which to gauge development policy progress.

SUBMAN1
07-08-08, 11:46 AM
Tchocky is not pulling your leg. Have you read the bill for yourself? There really are no financial schedules or appropriations set out. Yes, it suggests that the comprehensive strategy be aimed to fulfill the Millennium Development goals but there are no set minimums of x billions to contribute to any individual or organization, including the UN. In fact, if I were to criticize this bill it would be on the grounds that it leaves the president's options so open-ended and doesn't really establish any solid standards against which to gauge development policy progress.That's the point - it is written in a way to not let anyone know just how big it is! All these standards, as well as meeting certain protocols are all sitting back at the UN!

The plan passed the House in 2007 "because most members didn't realize what was in it," Kincaid reported. "Congressional sponsors have been careful not to calculate the amount of foreign aid spending that it would require."

-S

UnderseaLcpl
07-08-08, 11:48 AM
I doubt Obama is so stupid as to believe this will have any effect even if it did pass, which it won't. Seems like a purely political move aimed at people who have no understanding of economics in an attempt to garner votes.

Frame57
07-08-08, 12:05 PM
Obama is a progressive liberal. He views the world and America's future in socialistic view. The progressive mind set alarms me because it drifts farther and farther away from the culture and heritage of ones country. America needs the constitutional part to get off it's rear end and produce a viable candidate after this election.

nikimcbee
07-08-08, 12:11 PM
@ subman1

Oh quit whining! Just get your check book out and smile. I wish you'd just embrace communism- it's for the children you know.

STEED
07-08-08, 12:18 PM
@ subman1

Oh quit whining! Just get your check book out and smile. I wish you'd just embrace communism- it's for the children you know.


Reds under the bed. :shifty:

les green01
07-08-08, 05:41 PM
personly i rather have my tax money taking care of Americans problems first

August
07-08-08, 07:16 PM
personly i rather have my tax money taking care of Americans problems first

I think Mr. Obama is going to find out the hard way that a great majority of Americans share your sentiment, especially if the economy goes south over the next few months.

UnderseaLcpl
07-08-08, 08:24 PM
personly i rather have my tax money taking care of Americans problems first

Sadly, tax money doesn't do a good job taking care of U.S. citizens either. :cry: