The level to which FOX drives manipulation...

[Skybird]

... is not only malicious and demagogic, but simply disgusting, not to mention personally offending.

http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003823885
http://mediamatters.org/items/200807020002

Such things can be done in indicated satire and carricatures, but throwing it into regular programs and trying to make the victim unsympathetic to the audience that way, borders to criminal energy.

Unfortunately, mass opinion can be easily manipulated by adjusting sympathy and antipathy.

And many people buy it, uncritically (else there would be no point in trying it).

This way, values like free speech, and free elections can be hollowed out and abandoned without ever needing to officially abandon the principle of free speech and free elections.

FOX - "uargh..." Even in Germany that name has become a synonyme for very bad quality "journalism" and abusing media power for malicious manipulation of media freedom. To call it a pure propaganda station is closer to the truth.

[August]

Says the guy who takes the Huffington Post as gospel... :roll:

Methinks Skybird is offended by viewpoints he does not agree with.

[VipertheSniper]

Says the guy who takes the Huffington Post as gospel... :roll:

Methinks Skybird is offended by viewpoints he does not agree with.

just shoot the messenger all you want, FOX News has done the deed and got caught red handed...

[Skybird]

Says the guy who takes the Huffington Post as gospel... :roll:

Methinks Skybird is offended by viewpoints he does not agree with.

Says a guy who has adapted in full to FOX' standards.

[August]

Says the guy who takes the Huffington Post as gospel... :roll:

Methinks Skybird is offended by viewpoints he does not agree with. Says a guy who has adapted in full to FOX' standards.

The only time i watch or read Fox is when you link it here.

[SUBMAN1]

Says the guy who takes the Huffington Post as gospel... :roll:

Methinks Skybird is offended by viewpoints he does not agree with.That's some true words right there! :D

And no - I never watch Fox myself unless posted here either, or posted on Google News.

And you know who has the best record for Bias? BBC! Your Speigel is a close second!

-S

[MothBalls]

Fox news is tabloid television with a twist, they have a political agenda to promote and they slant stories to promote that agenda. I don't watch or read them because they have zero credibility as a news source.

[SUBMAN1]

Fox news is tabloid television with a twist, they have a political agenda to promote and they slant stories to promote that agenda. I don't watch or read them because they have zero credibility as a news source.The same could be said for each news agency. When wasn't Speigel, or the BBC, or The New York Times, or the LA Times not pushing an agenda? Welcome to the world of news! Better not watch any of it!

-S

[Tchocky]

And you know who has the best record for Bias? BBC! Your Speigel is a close second!

-S

Let's have a source on that.

[SUBMAN1]

And you know who has the best record for Bias? BBC! Your Speigel is a close second!

-S
Let's have a source on that.Go read any article. I particulary like the one on knifes! Hahahahaha!

-S

[Enigma]

Originally Posted by Tchocky
Quote:
Originally Posted by SUBMAN1
And you know who has the best record for Bias? BBC! Your Speigel is a close second!

-S


Let's have a source on that.
Go read any article. I particulary like the one on knifes! Hahahahaha!

Does that translate roughly into "I don't have a source, I just blab unconfirmed nonsense that fits my own political stance regardless of the turth, much like Fox News"?

Just sayin'.

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by Tchocky
Quote:
Originally Posted by SUBMAN1
And you know who has the best record for Bias? BBC! Your Speigel is a close second!

-S


Let's have a source on that.
Go read any article. I particulary like the one on knifes! Hahahahaha!
Does that translate roughly into "I don't have a source, I just blab unconfirmed nonsense that fits my own political stance regardless of the turth, much like Fox News"?

Just sayin'.Well, since you want to dig up OLD threads:

This is more damning than anything Fox has ever done:
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=100040&highlight=bias

And here is an example of what type of articles you can expect on the BBC:
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=99023&highlight=biased

You actually think Fox's thing is major? It is only a minor oops compared to what the BBC has done.

The problem with you people is, you have short term memories. All of this stuff has beeen rehashed and rehashed here before. Yet you always forget, and always ask for stupid sources. How about finding yourself for once? Aren't you guys smart enough to examine both sides of an issue? I do. How about giving it a try yourself! Imagine that?

-S

PS. Here is your headlines:

Yes, we are biased on religion and politics, admit BBC executives

[moose1am]

Back in the 1930's a law was passed that prevented this sort of news. Several GOP Presidents appointed new US Supreme Court Justices to the Court and they voted that law as unconstitutional. Thus FIX News and Fox Noise was born along with the Rush Limbaugh Lying and distorting radio program. America has been worse off ever since.

FOX NOISE is run by a former GOP Party Chairman and that should tell you how far they will go to distort the truth and to mislead the American Public.

Unfortunately they get by with these distortions all the time

I would vote to shut fox noise down in a heart beat. They should have the power to that TV network cut off for good.

The news has gotten to the point that half the time it's O'Reiley talking about Oberman and vise versa. When you get a Cable News Network spending more time attacking their competition than talking about REAL NEW, America Loses.

And to think that they used the logo "fair and balanced". They have never been fair and they are seldom balanced in their news broadcasts.

Give me" Politically Incorrect" back any day. They took that show off the air and put Tucker Carlson on instead. Now we have X GOP congressman on MSNBC giving a right slant to the news.

One former GOP Presidential Candidate that could get only less than 4% of the vote is on Cable News all the time. Who cares what he has to say. 96% of Americans who voted for the President chose to not vote for him and voted for Bush Instead. If not for the butterfly ballet he would not have gotten any votes.

This country has turned so far to the right it's pathetic. And look what it got us. Rich getting super rich and the poor walking to work as they can't afford to buy gasoline anymore.

EXXON with huge excessive and record profits and the number of people filing for bankruptcy at an all time high.

They won't care until the Stock Market Crashes and then you will hear those with all their money invested will start howling loudly.


... is not only malicious and demagogic, but simply disgusting, not to mention personally offending.

http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003823885
http://mediamatters.org/items/200807020002

Such things can be done in indicated satire and caricatures, but throwing it into regular programs and trying to make the victim unsympathetic to the audience that way, borders to criminal energy.

Unfortunately, mass opinion can be easily manipulated by adjusting sympathy and antipathy.

And many people buy it, uncritically (else there would be no point in trying it).

This way, values like free speech, and free elections can be hollowed out and abandoned without ever needing to officially abandon the principle of free speech and free elections.

FOX - "uargh..." Even in Germany that name has become a synonym for very bad quality "journalism" and abusing media power for malicious manipulation of media freedom. To call it a pure propaganda station is closer to the truth.

[Hakahura]

... is not only malicious and demagogic, but simply disgusting, not to mention personally offending.

http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003823885
http://mediamatters.org/items/200807020002

Such things can be done in indicated satire and carricatures, but throwing it into regular programs and trying to make the victim unsympathetic to the audience that way, borders to criminal energy.

Unfortunately, mass opinion can be easily manipulated by adjusting sympathy and antipathy.

And many people buy it, uncritically (else there would be no point in trying it).

This way, values like free speech, and free elections can be hollowed out and abandoned without ever needing to officially abandon the principle of free speech and free elections.

FOX - "uargh..." Even in Germany that name has become a synonyme for very bad quality "journalism" and abusing media power for malicious manipulation of media freedom. To call it a pure propaganda station is closer to the truth.


Relax Skybird, chill out and get some perspective.
Is it really all that bad?
Are you related or friends with these guys?


"Major news network distorts truth and tells lies"


Not exactly a newsflash, tell us something we didn't know.

[Ishmael]

Actually, there is a mechanism available to address these issues. the Fox network has many network-owned affiliates across the country. All those affiliates REQUIRE licenses from the FCC to broadcast and are ONLY granted licenses to broadcast in the Public interest. So, if enough people from the communities in question were to show up at the annual License renewal hearings with video and documentary evidence, they could get those affiliates' licenses yanked. After all, how is the public interest served by manipulating photographs, repeating known falsehoods as facts and even suing in Florida state courts for the right to lie in their broadcasts?

[Safe-Keeper]

Disturbing. I know FOX "News"' reputation, but to steep this low is simply disturbing:nope:.

Says the guy who takes the Huffington Post as gospel...

Go read any article. I particulary like the one on knifes! Hahahahaha! If anyone wonders why I have these two on ignore, this should settle it once and for all.


Relax Skybird, chill out and get some perspective.
Is it really all that bad?
Are you related or friends with these guys?

"Major news network distorts truth and tells lies""Perspective" such as "very few news outlets go to the ridiculous lengts to distort the truth as does FOX News"?

[mrbeast]

Well, since you want to dig up OLD threads:

This is more damning than anything Fox has ever done:
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=100040&highlight=bias

And here is an example of what type of articles you can expect on the BBC:
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=99023&highlight=biased



I would take both of those articles with a pinch of salt. Both the Daily Mail and the Evening Standard (basically the DM but worse :huh: ) have had a vendetta against the BBC and public broadcasting in general and persue it at every opportunity. Theres even quite a number of dyed in the wool conservatives that dislike both of those papers. During the recent mayoral elections in London the Evening Standard was practically a propaganda sheet for the Tory candidate Boris Johnson and printed as many smear stories about Ken Livingstone as it could cram between its grubby pages.

You actually think Fox's thing is major? It is only a minor oops compared to what the BBC has done.

The BBC has an unconscious bias but it is not the politcally driven and orchastrated campiagn of falsehood and miss information that Fox news spews out on a daily basis.

http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/organgrinder/2007/06/should_the_bbc_fess_up_to_libe_1.html

Its owned by Rupert Murdoch and if that man dosen't have an clear right-wing agenda then I'm a monkey's uncle!

Also I wouldn't call doctoring images to make people look ridiculous or give a poor impression of them an 'oops'. Opps implies an accident, so the pictures were accidentally doctored presumably? :nope:

The bottom line is who would most people take as more credible the BBC or Fox News?

[Platapus]

There is no such thing as an unbiased news service. All of them employ humans and humans are always biased.

So the solution is not to look for an unbiased news service. Like Diogenes we often are disappointed.

Instead, I feel it is better to identify the biases of the different news services and then collect news from different biases for analysis. Once you have identified the bias of a specific reporter/journalist you are in a better position to interpret his or her writings.

So I proudly proclaim that I read Fox News every day. I read radical right, radical left, conservative, liberal, and moderate sources for the stories that interest me.

Only by reading the viewpoints from different angles can I hope to achieve an understanding of the situation.

Don't complain about biases in the news media, use that bias. it is a valuable tool. As long as you can properly identify and characterize the bias.

[Skybird]

Every human's thinking has a bias. But humans differ in their awareness level about this fact, they differ in their ability and/or willingness to try counter and/or compensate for that, they differ in their access to information, and they differ in their readiness to use that to question their own views; and so in the end people differ regarding the level at which they are being biased. Some are more, some are less.

Same is true for the media. Some are better, some are worse.

Just saying that it does not matter since all are biased and do not differ, is exactly this thing of undiscriminatory unlimited relativising until nothing of meaning is left anymore. That is neither helpful, nor inevitable.

[UnderseaLcpl]

a) Poor journalism

b) Not unique, happens everywhere. How many people believe reports about running put of oil or global warming being man-made?

c) Ultimate responsibility lies with the reader/viewer/listener

d) Worst case we have a slander suit here.

e) I understand your outrage but trusting anyone with any kind of influence at this level is folly. Sure idiots believe it but what don't they believe?

f) Thank our wonderful public education system.

[Stealth Hunter]

Fox news is tabloid television with a twist, they have a political agenda to promote and they slant stories to promote that agenda. I don't watch or read them because they have zero credibility as a news source.The same could be said for each news agency. When wasn't Speigel, or the BBC, or The New York Times, or the LA Times not pushing an agenda? Welcome to the world of news! Better not watch any of it!

-S

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tJjNVVwRCY

*******ING THING SUCKS!:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

Bill, you've got to start taking up the bottle again. It's the only way to stave off his Irish fury: with Irish intoxicants.

Faux News is a pretty slanted source, but then again, all are. However, you can pretty much tell that it's REALLY bad when they show respect for Rush Limbaugh and try to blame forest fires on terrorists. I'll stick with CNN, thank you.