The Evangelical War on Science & More (Graphic Content)

[Stealth Hunter]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xKDKq_PPbk

Scary stuff. These people and their devotion to their dusty book pose a serious threat to freethinkers the world over. I felt really sorry for the little kids who were being fed this information. Hope everyone also made a close note of the video when it stated that 54 million Americans over the age of 18 do not believe in evolution.

How can someone get the idea that the world is 6,000 years old? :roll:

Here's the other video I wanted to show you. I present to you JESUS CAMP (part 1):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dD2Hyiitpys

I really don't know if the people who teach this stuff actually believe it OR if they are just in it for all the money that can be made.

[SUBMAN1]

I'd let them attack it into the ground so that we can rebuild it from the ground up without the likes of the IPCC! Its all become a machine, not a science, so some form of shake up needs to happen.

Even NASA is abandoning science to join the machine.

-S

[nikimcbee]

Just for you SH:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89jt7zJzkNQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5bueZoYhUlg


:rotfl:

[nikimcbee]

Morefrom the gangsta rapper mc hawking (warning bad words)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCDXeJGCiWg&feature=related

[Ishmael]

What I find most ironic is that the Republicans claim to be champions of laissez-faire capitalism and hold Ayn Rand as one of their philosophic mentors. All the while they have formed an anti-rationalist alliance between the Religious Right(Rand's Mystics of Faith"Do as we say because God said so.") and the Neocons(Rand's Mystics of Muscle,"Do as we say or we'll beat/torture/kill you.") building the edifice of the Corporate/National Security Police Surveillance State.

Bush and his henchmen have accomplished in 7 years what Osama bin-Laden couldn't do in 700.

[Ducimus]

This thread oughta go well.

As strongly as i feel about this subject, ill have to recuse myself.

[MothBalls]

Just say God created evolution and be done with the whole argument.


George made it clear in the first two minutes. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDEOSbD3b0Y

[SUBMAN1]

What I want is a return to science. Scientific theory. Hypothesis tested to completion. Not the hyped up BS we are getting lately from politicians.
Observation: Every swan I've ever seen is white.
Hypothesis: All swans must be white.
Test: A random sampling of swans from each continent where swans are indigenous produces only white swans.
Publication: "My global research has indicated that swans are always white, wherever they are observed."
Verification: Every swan any other scientist has ever observed in any country has always been white.
Theory: All swans are white.Prediction: The next swan I see will be white.

Today we get scientific results by committee. Not the above scientific process. Thanks Al Gore and the IPCC! You have done the world and scientific community a major dis-service!

-S

[MothBalls]

What I want is a return to science. Scientific theory. Hypothesis tested to completion. Not the hyped up BS we are getting lately from politicians.
Observation: Every swan I've ever seen is white.
Hypothesis: All swans must be white.
Test: A random sampling of swans from each continent where swans are indigenous produces only white swans.
Publication: "My global research has indicated that swans are always white, wherever they are observed."
Verification: Every swan any other scientist has ever observed in any country has always been white.
Theory: All swans are white.Prediction: The next swan I see will be white.

Today we get scientific results by committee. Not the above scientific process. Thanks Al Gore and the IPCC! You have done the world and scientific community a major dis-service!

-S

Are gay swans white? Do they have the right to be married?

[SUBMAN1]

What I want is a return to science. Scientific theory. Hypothesis tested to completion. Not the hyped up BS we are getting lately from politicians.
Observation: Every swan I've ever seen is white.
Hypothesis: All swans must be white.
Test: A random sampling of swans from each continent where swans are indigenous produces only white swans.
Publication: "My global research has indicated that swans are always white, wherever they are observed."
Verification: Every swan any other scientist has ever observed in any country has always been white.
Theory: All swans are white.Prediction: The next swan I see will be white.

Today we get scientific results by committee. Not the above scientific process. Thanks Al Gore and the IPCC! You have done the world and scientific community a major dis-service!

-S
Are gay swans white? Do they have the right to be married?Please get off the crack! :D Its not good for you!

-S

[Ishmael]

What I want is a return to science. Scientific theory. Hypothesis tested to completion. Not the hyped up BS we are getting lately from politicians.

Observation: Every swan I've ever seen is white.
Hypothesis: All swans must be white.
Test: A random sampling of swans from each continent where swans are indigenous produces only white swans.
Publication: "My global research has indicated that swans are always white, wherever they are observed."
Verification: Every swan any other scientist has ever observed in any country has always been white.
Theory: All swans are white.Prediction: The next swan I see will be white.

Today we get scientific results by committee. Not the above scientific process. Thanks Al Gore and the IPCC! You have done the world and scientific community a major dis-service!

-S

Actually, what we've gotten over the last 7 years is the bowdlerization and editing of Science by political hacks. We also have seen the rise of the Luddite Right who confuse the denotation of Scripture(the prose) with the connotation of Scripture(The Poetry). My answer to them is to take a walk down Oulduvai Gorge with the Leakeys.

ARRRGGHH! I 'ave a new Avatarrrgghh that looks remarrggghhhkambly like me.

[Stealth Hunter]

Why don't you like gays, Sub?:hmm:

[Iceman]

Scary stuff. These people and their devotion to their dusty book pose a serious threat to freethinkers the world over. I felt really sorry for the little kids who were being fed this information.

I hear ya Stealth....Scary Stuff huh?

Hey...some one made this video just for you...Dusty old books.. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgGJYusMreE)

Them Christian kids sure are learning some scary stuff (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HV2vIKU40Zw)...

You damn Dirty Apes!...lol I love people like you Stealth I really Do....have a great day.



Does God Exist - Things to Consider
Once you're ready to ask the question, "does God exist?" here are a few observations to consider as you begin your search for an objective answer:

Discoveries in astronomy have shown beyond a reasonable doubt that the universe did, in fact, have a beginning. There was a single moment of creation.
Advances in molecular biology have revealed vast amounts of information encoded in each and every living cell, and molecular biologists have discovered thousands upon thousands of exquisitely designed machines at the molecular level. Information requires intelligence and design requires a designer.
Biochemists and mathematicians have calculated the odds against life arising from non-life naturally via unintelligent processes. The odds are astronomical. In fact, scientists aren't even sure if life could have evolved naturally via unintelligent processes. If life did not arise by chance, how did it arise?
The universe is ordered by natural laws. Where did these laws come from and what purpose do they serve?
Philosophers agree that a transcendent Law Giver is the only plausible explanation for an objective moral standard. So, ask yourself if you believe in right and wrong and then ask yourself why. Who gave you your conscience? Why does it exist?
People of every race, creed, color, and culture, both men and women, young and old, wise and foolish, from the educated to the ignorant, claim to have personally experienced something of the supernatural. So what are we supposed to do with these prodigious accounts of divine healing, prophetic revelation, answered prayer, and other miraculous phenomena? Ignorance and imagination may have played a part to be sure, but is there something more?If your curiosity has been piqued and you desire to look into this matter further, we recommend that you consider the world's assortment of so-called Holy Books. If God does exist, has He revealed Himself? And if He has revealed Himself, surely He exists...



Does God Exist - A Philosophical Issue
Before we ask the question "Does God exist?" we first have to deal with our philosophical predispositions. If, for example, I am already dedicated to the philosophical idea that nothing can exist outside of the natural realm (i.e. there can be no supernatural God), no amount of evidence could convince me otherwise. Asking the question "does God exist?" would be pointless. My answer would be "No, He doesn't," regardless of whether God truly exists or not. The question would be impossible to answer from an evidentiary standpoint simply because anything which God might have done (that is, any supernatural act which might serve as evidence for His existence) would have to be explained away in terms of natural causes, not because we know what those natural causes could possibly be, but simply because a supernatural God is not allowed to exist!

Dr. Richard Lewontin, the Alexander Agassiz Professor of Zoology at Harvard University, put it like this: "It is not that the methods and institutions of science somehow compel us to accept a material explanation of the phenomenal world, but, on the contrary, that we are forced by our a priori adherence to material causes to create an apparatus of investigation and a set of concepts that produce material explanations, no matter how counterintuitive, no matter how mystifying to the uninitiated. Moreover, that materialism is absolute, for we cannot allow a Divine Foot in the door" (Richard Lewontin, "Billions and Billions of Demons," New York Review of Books, January 9, 1997, p. 28).



So tell me resident Subsimmers....who are the closed minded..? I know people from all categories fall into this trap...not all Christians are closed as I would hope not all Athesiests are closed to new ideas...funny how it plays out though.

[Skybird]

Secular world is a sane world.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXzladhscMQ

"Your soul does not need cleansing, becasue it is not dirty, and anyone who tells you different is telling you for their benefit - not for yours."

[mrbeast]

What I want is a return to science. Scientific theory. Hypothesis tested to completion. Not the hyped up BS we are getting lately from politicians.

Observation: Every swan I've ever seen is white.
Hypothesis: All swans must be white.
Test: A random sampling of swans from each continent where swans are indigenous produces only white swans.
Publication: "My global research has indicated that swans are always white, wherever they are observed."
Verification: Every swan any other scientist has ever observed in any country has always been white.
Theory: All swans are white.Prediction: The next swan I see will be white.

Today we get scientific results by committee. Not the above scientific process. Thanks Al Gore and the IPCC! You have done the world and scientific community a major dis-service!

-S

How about black swans?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_swans

[antikristuseke]

Scary stuff. These people and their devotion to their dusty book pose a serious threat to freethinkers the world over. I felt really sorry for the little kids who were being fed this information.

I hear ya Stealth....Scary Stuff huh?

Hey...some one made this video just for you...Dusty old books.. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgGJYusMreE)

Them Christian kids sure are learning some scary stuff (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HV2vIKU40Zw)...

You damn Dirty Apes!...lol I love people like you Stealth I really Do....have a great day.



Does God Exist - Things to Consider
Once you're ready to ask the question, "does God exist?" here are a few observations to consider as you begin your search for an objective answer:

Discoveries in astronomy have shown beyond a reasonable doubt that the universe did, in fact, have a beginning. There was a single moment of creation.
citation needed
Advances in molecular biology have revealed vast amounts of information encoded in each and every living cell, and molecular biologists have discovered thousands upon thousands of exquisitely designed machines at the molecular level. Information requires intelligence and design requires a designer.
Inteligent design and irreducible complexity are both PRATT's. Why do people keep bringing up stuff debunked countless times over
Biochemists and mathematicians have calculated the odds against life arising from non-life naturally via unintelligent processes. The odds are astronomical. In fact, scientists aren't even sure if life could have evolved naturally via unintelligent processes. If life did not arise by chance, how did it arise?http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6QYDdgP9eg
The universe is ordered by natural laws. Where did these laws come from and what purpose do they serve?I don't know, do you?
Philosophers agree that a transcendent Law Giver is the only plausible explanation for an objective moral standard. So, ask yourself if you believe in right and wrong and then ask yourself why. Who gave you your conscience? Why does it exist? Giving your subjective opinion as an objective view, nice going there champ.
People of every race, creed, color, and culture, both men and women, young and old, wise and foolish, from the educated to the ignorant, claim to have personally experienced something of the supernatural. So what are we supposed to do with these prodigious accounts of divine healing, prophetic revelation, answered prayer, and other miraculous phenomena? Ignorance and imagination may have played a part to be sure, but is there something more?Wishful thinking is nice

Now then, I await your response with cited sources to back up your claims, this should be entertaining.

[August]

Wow yet another anti-religion thread from Silent Hunter. It's becoming a weekly thing. :roll:

[Tchocky]

Wouldn't call it anti-religion

[August]

Wouldn't call it anti-religion

"These people and their devotion to their dusty book"?

[Foxtrot]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/ad/Jesus_Camp.jpg


Dead Jesus is alive and watching for you? Anyone who believes on this crap is a born retarded.
Dead man walking is a zombie technically. If you see him then aim for the head

[Jimbuna]

Wow yet another anti-religion thread from Silent Hunter. It's becoming a weekly thing. :roll:

...and a right load of codswallop to boot :nope:

[jpm1]

i'm evangelical and i don't approve these guys of the first thread for me they are extremists , religion 's an interpretation question which has to be left to each other interpretation . it's because of guys like that (100% sure of them) that probably the word religion has been made . at the origin i think what we call now religion was more a spirituality something good , free and infinite the actual religion's good but well

[Iceman]

Secular world is a sane world.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXzladhscMQ

"Your soul does not need cleansing, becasue it is not dirty, and anyone who tells you different is telling you for their benefit - not for yours."

Wow...your exactly right Skybird..it's not for you if you see no need...more power to u.

Mark 2
[16] And when the scribes and Pharisees saw him eat with publicans and sinners, they said unto his disciples, How is it that he eateth and drinketh with publicans and sinners?
[17] When Jesus heard it, he saith unto them, They that are whole have no need of the physician, but they that are sick: I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

Reap...

[Enigma]

"The bigotry of the un-believer is nearly as funny to me as the bigotry of the believer" -Albert Einstein

[Wolfehunter]

You know something I don't care what god people believe in. I don't. Just don't try to put that crap on me and my family. You believe in demons and angels and vampires, ghost and goblins good for you. Stay away from me. ;)

I don't have to say that often here to someone. Only happened once about 8 years ago. Some crazed old lady tried to do and excersism on my wife because she claim my wife was possessed in the middle of the parking lot to a pharmacy.:rotfl: Too bad she was a woman. If it was a guy I would have sent him one way ticket to a hospital.

[August]

You know something I don't care what god people believe in. I don't. Just don't try to put that crap on me and my family. You believe in demons and angels and vampires, ghost and goblins good for you. Stay away from me. ;)

I don't have to say that often here to someone. Only happened once about 8 years ago. Some crazed old lady tried to do and excersism on my wife because she claim my wife was possessed in the middle of the parking lot to a pharmacy.:rotfl: Too bad she was a woman. If it was a guy I would have sent him one way ticket to a hospital.

So just for reference Wolfie, how far do religious people have to stay away from you and your family in order to keep you from becoming violent? 10 feet, a mile? Are we allowed for example to pull you or your family members out of the water if you were drowning, or would our mumbled prayer to God for the strength to save you just before we reach over the side of the boat cause you to fight our efforts and maybe get us both drowned?

You can see our conundrum here. After all we may accidentally bump into you in the parking lot and make the fatal mistake of saying "God bless you" when you sneeze, and we wouldn't want to get stabbed or nothing.

Perhaps when you're out in public you ought to wear a shirt that says:

Religious people stay away from me or I'll send you to the hospital!
(Guys only)

Of course it'd have to be in big letters cause our eyes are a bit fuzzy from studying the bible all the time but you do have a lot of extra space on that hat...

[joegrundman]

Yeah, i think that's idiocy. Of course religious people have the right to be religious, and they have the right to tell me about it too if they are so inclined, whatever their religion. And the same is true of atheists and agnostics and all those in between. Equally i can listen, accept, reject, ignore or laugh at the same.

I don't know why people get so defensive about it. If on the other hand someone intends to force me to believe something- that's a different matter.

But the right to speak and to persuade and to be persuaded are fundamental in modern liberal democratic society.

[hate and incitement to hate or violence are not included]

[Skybird]

But the right to speak and to persuade and to be persuaded are fundamental in modern liberal democratic society.

Only as far as the basic meaning of secularism is not violated - and this sets limits to zealot's rights to actively approach members of society at every opportunity. It is one thing to place a poster at a church saying that tomorrow at 8:00 somebody is talking about what he believes. It is something very different if his background organization tries to to change the curriculum of public education and tries to make offices of the state obeying to these rules and impose this stuff onto school-children at public school - this is a frontal attack on secularism. The secular basic order of western nations is mentioned and protected by the constitutions, even in the american one. And freedom of religious practicing does not mean the state has an obligation - or even the right - to serve the interests of a religious club. It means it has to keep away from right this, make sure religious communities do not step over the line and make sure that other people are protected from claims these religious groups may express they have over other people. Nothing else the American constitution is saying. If somebody thinks the constitution makes the United State a christian nation, or the US has been founded on the basis of making it a 'christian nation, he better read itagain, for he understood something terribly wrong. Has has been posted in live quotes several times in this forum.

The same like if you turn up the volume of your radio too much: you cause the noise, you are responsible to switch it off or become so silent again that others must not listen to your radio program. In Germany there is the legal principle of "Zimmerlautstärke", for example. It means a radio may be run only so loud that outside the room/the appartement of where you run it the radio may not be heared by anybody, for your freedom ends were you start to limit the freedom of others (the freedom not wanting to listen to your noise, for example). there is some interpretation room, but when you run your radio so loud that others cannot ignroe it anymore, can't even liosten to the different program of their own radios, then you have stepped over the line at the latest.

[jpm1]

the first thing i thought when i watched the first post documentary it's the movie Texas chainsaw massacre the guys have the same voices

[August]

Secularism is over rated...

[Wolfehunter]

You know something I don't care what god people believe in. I don't. Just don't try to put that crap on me and my family. You believe in demons and angels and vampires, ghost and goblins good for you. Stay away from me. ;)

I don't have to say that often here to someone. Only happened once about 8 years ago. Some crazed old lady tried to do and excersism on my wife because she claim my wife was possessed in the middle of the parking lot to a pharmacy.:rotfl: Too bad she was a woman. If it was a guy I would have sent him one way ticket to a hospital.

So just for reference Wolfie, how far do religious people have to stay away from you and your family in order to keep you from becoming violent? 10 feet, a mile? Are we allowed for example to pull you or your family members out of the water if you were drowning, or would our mumbled prayer to God for the strength to save you just before we reach over the side of the boat cause you to fight our efforts and maybe get us both drowned?

You can see our conundrum here. After all we may accidentally bump into you in the parking lot and make the fatal mistake of saying "God bless you" when you sneeze, and we wouldn't want to get stabbed or nothing.

Perhaps when you're out in public you ought to wear a shirt that says:

Religious people stay away from me or I'll send you to the hospital!
(Guys only)


Of course it'd have to be in big letters cause our eyes are a bit fuzzy from studying the bible all the time but you do have a lot of extra space on that hat...


Lol August I get the impression you believe I put every religious person in a hospital because he or she is preaching there belief's. I support free speech or freedom of expression. I don't support phychological and physical abuse caused by religion. Thats all. If that woman was just chanting her nonsense then fine we laugh and move on. But she took it to a whole new level by spraying holywater on my wife? I don't know whats was in that vial? Its like someone spitting on you because they don't like you. Are you going to tolerate that behavior? I don't and I don't spit on people. I mind my own business. Thats all August. I don't make it my life to destroy religion. But those fanatics groups on those videos are making there war against science. That is wrong. They're imposing on us by force.

[August]

You know something I don't care what god people believe in. I don't. Just don't try to put that crap on me and my family. You believe in demons and angels and vampires, ghost and goblins good for you. Stay away from me. ;)

I don't have to say that often here to someone. Only happened once about 8 years ago. Some crazed old lady tried to do and excersism on my wife because she claim my wife was possessed in the middle of the parking lot to a pharmacy.:rotfl: Too bad she was a woman. If it was a guy I would have sent him one way ticket to a hospital.
So just for reference Wolfie, how far do religious people have to stay away from you and your family in order to keep you from becoming violent? 10 feet, a mile? Are we allowed for example to pull you or your family members out of the water if you were drowning, or would our mumbled prayer to God for the strength to save you just before we reach over the side of the boat cause you to fight our efforts and maybe get us both drowned?

You can see our conundrum here. After all we may accidentally bump into you in the parking lot and make the fatal mistake of saying "God bless you" when you sneeze, and we wouldn't want to get stabbed or nothing.

Perhaps when you're out in public you ought to wear a shirt that says:

Religious people stay away from me or I'll send you to the hospital!
(Guys only)


Of course it'd have to be in big letters cause our eyes are a bit fuzzy from studying the bible all the time but you do have a lot of extra space on that hat...


Lol August I get the impression you believe I put every religious person in a hospital because he or she is preaching there belief's. I support free speech or freedom of expression. I don't support phychological and physical abuse caused by religion. Thats all. If that woman was just chanting her nonsense then fine we laugh and move on. But she took it to a whole new level by spraying holywater on my wife? I don't know whats was in that vial? Its like someone spitting on you because they don't like you. Are you going to tolerate that behavior? I don't and I don't spit on people. I mind my own business. Thats all August. I don't make it my life to destroy religion. But those fanatics groups on those videos are making there war against science. That is wrong. They're imposing on us by force.

Nobody is imposing anything on you by force Dude and all i wrote is just a reflection of what you said. Forget about the holy water spraying, i agree that's over the line, but you didn't say that in your original post either.

I was just using a bit of good hearted sarcasm to demonstrate that people tend to form opinions based on what we say, not what we meant...

[SUBMAN1]

Why don't you like gays, Sub?:hmm:I think a better way to put it is - anti-special interest.

-S

[SUBMAN1]

"The bigotry of the un-believer is nearly as funny to me as the bigotry of the believer" -Albert EinsteinI can find no proof he ever said this. It is a lie.

-S

[mrbeast]

"The bigotry of the un-believer is nearly as funny to me as the bigotry of the believer" -Albert EinsteinI can find no proof he ever said this. It is a lie.

-S

How about this Einstein quote instead:

"The word god is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honourable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish. No interpretation no matter how subtle can (for me) change this."

Or this:

"For me the Jewish religion like all others is an incarnation of the most childish superstitions"

http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2008/may/12/peopleinscience.religion

[SUBMAN1]

"The bigotry of the un-believer is nearly as funny to me as the bigotry of the believer" -Albert EinsteinI can find no proof he ever said this. It is a lie.

-S
How about this Einstein quote instead:

"The word god is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honourable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish. No interpretation no matter how subtle can (for me) change this."

Or this:

"For me the Jewish religion like all others is an incarnation of the most childish superstitions"

http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2008/may/12/peopleinscience.religion

Sorry, one mysterious letter doesn't seal a case. 10 years ago, I had a more liberal view myself until I realized how stupid a proposition that was to be a liberal.

-S

[SUBMAN1]

For you Mr. Beast:

"If you're not liberal when you're young, you have no heart. If you're not conservative when you're older, you have no brain."

-S

[antikristuseke]

Excuse me, but what the bloody hell does being a liberal or a conservative have to do with some religious extremists trying to limit scientific progress or trying to teach myth as fact?

[Platapus]

This thread oughta go well.

As strongly as i feel about this subject, ill have to recuse myself.

Wise words and excellent advice. Think I will take it. Thanks :)

[mrbeast]

Sorry, one mysterious letter doesn't seal a case.

A mysterious letter penned by Albert Einstien. No mystery here.

10 years ago, I had a more liberal view myself until I realized how stupid a proposition that was to be a liberal.-S

Ahhhh that explains it, you're a convert! :D

Seriously though what made you decide to become a conservative?

[SUBMAN1]

Seriously though what made you decide to become a conservative?Brains! :p And i didn't say I was a liberal, I just leaned a lot more left than i do today. So convert wouldn't be a proper word.

-S