What does the Canadian Health Care system look like?

[SUBMAN1]

This will shock many Americans:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7XsRzfckneg&

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[nikimcbee]

I just had lazar eye surgery done (both eyes:o ) Number of days I had to wait from my appointment to the surgery :2 days. I like our health care system thank you. The funny thing about all those "free health care systems, they're not free, because the gov't takes the money from your pay check.

[SUBMAN1]

I just had lazar eye surgery done (both eyes:o ) Number of days I had to wait from my appointment to the surgery :2 days. I like our health care system thank you. The funny thing about all those "free health care systems, they're not free, because the gov't takes the money from your pay check.Exactly.

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[UnderseaLcpl]

Too bad it won't shock them into changing their beliefs. They will just say "tweak it" instead of "burn it and build another one".

[Jimbuna]

I just had lazar eye surgery done (both eyes:o ) Number of days I had to wait from my appointment to the surgery :2 days. I like our health care system thank you. The funny thing about all those "free health care systems, they're not free, because the gov't takes the money from your pay check.

Precisely. :yep:

[Wolfehunter]

Its bad in Canada. I know I live there. But private clinics are only avaible for those who can afford it. It why I avoid them as much as possible. Anyhow There not even safe. Ingrown Hospital viruses. Its safer to do your own bandaging up at home. You'll live longer hehehehe.


Ya your right about the government taking the money. most of it they pocket.:yep: No one can prove it but we all know it happens here.

[Skybird]

Okay, go on and throw the first stone while sitting in a glass house. I know two other cases from the US like this:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7485910.stm

Recently, there was a thread on crimes being carried out in the presence of witnesses who did not help, and this example is not a bit different. A society where people live whom are so indifferent like to be seen here should have other worries than mocking about the health system of it's neighbours.

[UnderseaLcpl]

Okay, go on and throw the first stone while sitting in a glass house. I know two other cases from the US like this:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7485910.stm

Recently, there was a thread on crimes being carried out in the presence of witnesses who did not help, and this example is not a bit different. A society where people live whom are so indifferent like to be seen here should have other worries than mocking about the health system of it's neighbours.

This seems like a typical liberal view to me. How, exactly can this be fixed? Pass a law that people have to care? I have no doubt that most people are most inclined to whatever action benefits them most. The key is harnessing that power through incentive. You can't legislate morality any more than you can legislate stupidity.
Tragic as it is, there will always be a$$holes.

[RickC Sniper]

This seems like a typical liberal view to me. How, exactly can this be fixed? Pass a law that people have to care?

QUOTE: - from that article
Six people have since been fired or suspended as a result of the incident, including security staff and members of the medical staff.

Apathy like that should not be tolerated. Yes, you can make people care by putting their very job on the line.

[Safe-Keeper]

There are incompetent twats in all professions, in all countries. Pointing to one of them while jumping up and down screaming about how it's an indicator of a failed system is just childish. It might impress people, but to change peoples' minds you'd have to do some boring research and come up with statistics and facts that covered a bit more than... one case.

I'd tell someone to tell Spamman1 to read up on statistics showing US health care to be mediocre compared to many other first-world countries in the world, many of which have socialized health care... but I don't think he'd listen, so I digress.

Watch this movie (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/sickaroundtheworld/) meanwhile.

[Penelope_Grey]

"free health care systems, they're not free, because the gov't takes the money from your pay check.

Might not be free... but could well work out cheaper.

You guys pay insurance premiums in the event of you needing an operation or treatment or whatever. The deductions from the pay cheque are variable... the higher earners pay a little more the lower earners pay less. Is there any variability in health insurance premiums to account of income?

Also the idea of taking out an insurance policy... I wouldn't be comfortable with that. To the insurance people you are a thing... a potential loss of profit. Insurance companies like nothing better than to not pay out.

So I like our health care system too. I just wish it was run better, and was of a higher standard... because that is what our Labour politicians have promised over the last decade....:roll:

[Skybird]

Project aims to change US health care:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7484028.stm

[Mikhayl]

I love my french communist health care system thank you :up:
(and my government hates it, thus proving it's damn good)

[ReallyDedPoet]

Part of the issue with our Health Care System is the failure to properly anticipate the shortages with regards to all of the boomers retiring, this is one of the reasons for the long wait times in some of the professions, surgeries being one. Related to this is the loss of leadership with those boomers retiring, that is not replaced easily and has contributed to the situation ( vision, ability to problem solve ) here.

A bigger issue though are the users themselves of the system, instead of taking some personal responsibility for their own health, they view hospitals as the place to go to fix all of their problems. I have been to outpatients on more than one occasion and most of the folks there did not need to be. This kind of stuff is a huge drain on the system and takes away from those who really need the care.

Up until the last 3-5 years though, I have been more than happy with our system.


RDP

[SUBMAN1]

We have the best health care in the wolrd, but no system if perfect. Get used to it!

I mean, when people get sick around the world, they don't go to Germany, or France, or Spain, or the UK - They avoid them like the plague!!!

Where do they go? America! No where else! We may have to pay insurance premiums, but at the end of the day, that buys us the best stuff money can buy bar none! That is what i want if I ever get sick! Not some Socialist medicine that is a decade or more behind ours! Crazy!

And I get worked on same day if i need it here for any ailment.

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[XabbaRus]

Best healthcare as in quality of healthcare or best in terms of provision.

Yes no health care system is free, difference is is it free at point of service, or do yo upay up front.

We in the UK pay our N.I. like Penelope has said and it varies with your income earn more pay more. Also you aren't denied this insurance depending on your risk toward certain things.

Also is your insurance unlimited? What happens if you end up in intensive care, need a bunch of surgery and then your insurance runs out,,,what if it doesn't cover you? Your'e out on the street...that happened to a friend of ours in the Texas....

So I prefer my system where I KNOW for sure without a doubt I can get care, I won't be turned away and don't have to trek halfway across town to go to a clinic that will treat me.

[SUBMAN1]

Best healthcare as in quality of healthcare or best in terms of provision.Both!

Yes no health care system is free, difference is is it free at point of service, or do yo upay up front.

We in the UK pay our N.I. like Penelope has said and it varies with your income earn more pay more. Also you aren't denied this insurance depending on your risk toward certain things.

Also is your insurance unlimited? What happens if you end up in intensive care, need a bunch of surgery and then your insurance runs out,,,what if it doesn't cover you? Your'e out on the street...that happened to a friend of ours in the Texas....

So I prefer my system where I KNOW for sure without a doubt I can get care, I won't be turned away and don't have to trek halfway across town to go to a clinic that will treat me.Policies have a limit, such as a million $. So if they have to rebuild your body from the ground up, grow all new organs, and piece meal you back to health, there is a chance you can run out, but then there are other options, such as disability and medicare.

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PS. Most people in Europe have no idea that anyone that wants to be covered over here can be if you go through Medicare, with restrictions of course, so we get the best of both worlds, and the best equipment money can buy. I've seen what socialized medicine buys for medical equipment - its pretty pathetic. Over here, hospitals are like country club and everyone is always checking up on you to see how you are doing. In socialized medicine, you're lucky if a nurse comes in to check at all!

[Mikhayl]

Anyway the video linked is pure rubbish, I didn't even bother watching past the first 30 seconds. Having free health care doesn't make people think "hey it's free, let's break myself some bones and go to the hospital". Yet another troll :roll:

[SUBMAN1]

Anyway the video linked is pure rubbish, I didn't even bother watching past the first 30 seconds. Having free health care doesn't make people think "hey it's free, let's break myself some bones and go to the hospital". Yet another troll :roll:Hardly. My mother in law died last year in Canada and their health care pretty much sucks! I should have brought her to the states.

Your statement is very troll like however.

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[Penelope_Grey]

We have the best health care in the wolrd, but no system if perfect. Get used to it!

I mean, when people get sick around the world, they don't go to Germany, or France, or Spain, or the UK - They avoid them like the plague!!!

Where do they go? America! No where else! We may have to pay insurance premiums, but at the end of the day, that buys us the best stuff money can buy bar none! That is what i want if I ever get sick! Not some Socialist medicine that is a decade or more behind ours! Crazy!

And I get worked on same day if i need it here for any ailment.

-S
Whose "they?"

I've been injured quite badly during my short life once upon a time... I never went to America to get better.

You think you've got the best healthcare in the world?
On what do you found that that claim? When there is plenty of evidence to the contrary.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/12/opinion/12sun1.html
http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/L-healthcare.htm
http://www.who.int/whr/2000/media_centre/press_release/en/index.html

If you read only the first paragraph of the World Health link... it says France has the best overall medical provision, followed by Italy, Spain, Oman, Austria and Japan. America ain't even on the list!

WHO's reports rank your healthcare as 37th as compared to the UK's 18th. So the US health system is NOT the best in the world. Far from it in fact. The French healthcare is the best in the world. So tell me... why would "they" want to avoid the countries you list like plague... when they are all better than the US model?

[SUBMAN1]

We have the best health care in the wolrd, but no system if perfect. Get used to it!

I mean, when people get sick around the world, they don't go to Germany, or France, or Spain, or the UK - They avoid them like the plague!!!

Where do they go? America! No where else! We may have to pay insurance premiums, but at the end of the day, that buys us the best stuff money can buy bar none! That is what i want if I ever get sick! Not some Socialist medicine that is a decade or more behind ours! Crazy!

And I get worked on same day if i need it here for any ailment.

-S
Whose "they?"

I've been injured quite badly during my short life once upon a time... I never went to America to get better.

You think you've got the best healthcare in the world?
On what do you found that that claim? When there is plenty of evidence to the contrary.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/12/opinion/12sun1.html
http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/L-healthcare.htm
http://www.who.int/whr/2000/media_centre/press_release/en/index.html

If you read only the first paragraph of the World Health link... it says France has the best overall medical provision, followed by Italy, Spain, Oman, Austria and Japan. America ain't even on the list!

WHO's reports rank your healthcare as 37th as compared to the UK's 18th. So the US health system is NOT the best in the world. Far from it in fact. The French healthcare is the best in the world. So tell me... why would "they" want to avoid the countries you list like plague... when they are all better than the US model?
Sicko lied. They took you to hospital in Cuba to show its better care than the US. If you analyze the facts however, they took you to a tiny section of the hospital that is reserved for the elites of Cuba! It was all a show and Micheal Moore hid that from you.

And the rest of your reports focus on life expectancy, yet fail to notice stress and effects of society. It takes better medicine here to counteract the fast pace of life, and the severely over weight population - but nothing you report takes that into account.

Want to see what hospitals really look like in Cuba? Here ya go!

http://www.moonbattery.com/archives/cuba-hospital.jpg

http://www.moonbattery.com/cuban_hospital_02.jpg

[clive bradbury]

had to smile at the US reporter: 'we shoot each other more often, we kill each other on the roads, and are obese.' Great country.

The NHS, like all large organisations, has significant flaws, although does seem to be improving in some areas, especially with reducing waiting lists. The point that seems to escape most people is that we still have private healthcare as well, so actually have a massive advantage over other nations as you have a choice.

Certainly private care hospitals are superior to most NHS, but to meet most needs the latter isn't bad. What is not commonly known abroad is that the two services can also overlap, although it does seem slightly unethical. It works like this:

Your doctor refers you to a surgeon on the NHS, and the waiting list is say, six months. Ring the surgeon's office, ask to pay for a private consultation, which is typically about £125. He will see you within a week or so, and if you need surgery will do it on the NHS at no cost to you, and bump you up the waiting list.

[clive bradbury]

Also, although I accept that life expectancy depends upon many factors, to assume healthcare is not one of them is extremely naive. GB life expectancy is slightly higher than the US, so I think we can say that the NHS system does not seem to be detrimental, at any rate.

[SUBMAN1]

Also, although I accept that life expectancy depends upon many factors, to assume healthcare is not one of them is extremely naive. GB life expectancy is slightly higher than the US, so I think we can say that the NHS system does not seem to be detrimental, at any rate.

Study the obese in both countries and then you'll be amazed at how we manage to keep a somewhat close average to yours! :D Only through superior medicine!

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[clive bradbury]

Fat blokes with guns who can't drive...got to love the USA.

[SUBMAN1]

Fat blokes with guns who can't drive...got to love the USA.Lots of em here! That's for sure! Can't argue that.

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[ReallyDedPoet]

My mother in law died last year in Canada and their health care pretty much sucks! I should have brought her to the states.


C'mon Subman, I am sorry about your mother in law, but that is a fairly generalized statement ^^^.

As mentioned, overall it has served this Canadian well, there are issues, but what system does not have them. Nothing's perfect.


RDP

[Penelope_Grey]

Those images, while terrible and dreadful, don't exactly counter the fact that according to the World Health Organisation... America's healthcare system is ranked at 37th...

America DOES NOT have the best healthcare system in the world as you claimed. Yet, you said it did... and... bad mouthed the German, Spanish, French and British models for good measure. Total disrespect for other people's nations, yet your good self is often the loudest voice on here demanding respect for America.

they don't go to Germany, or France, or Spain, or the UK - They avoid them like the plague!!!
All of which according to the WHO are better than the US model. If you want to big up the US feel free... but make sure what you are saying is true before you think to rubbish what other peoples countries have first please.

Oh you are right about the Cuba thing, the American healthcare system is better than Cubas. Cuba came in at 39 on the list.

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[Penelope_Grey]

My mother in law died last year in Canada and their health care pretty much sucks! I should have brought her to the states.

C'mon Subman, I am sorry about your mother in law, but that is a fairly generalized statement ^^^.

As mentioned, overall it has served this Canadian well, there are issues, but what system does not have them. Nothing's perfect.


RDP
Canada's healthcare model was ranked by the WHO at number 30. While not great its higher than the US model.

[SUBMAN1]

If you read my post above, they are basing it on deaths. Excuse me? Pretty bad way to rate things when not looking at all the factors! Thats a crock of crap that Canada, let alone the USA are in the 30's. There are many factors missing from that report.

How many dignitaries choose the UK for example over America for health care? I think you need to watch a video on that. i will get it for you.

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[SUBMAN1]

One more thing I forgot to mention - The WHO based its reports on those provided by the governments of each country. It did no independent check!!!!! :o

So they have skewed figures for each country. The USA is probably the most accurate of them all!

Cuba for example aborts all abnormal fetuses, and then say they have an extremely low death rate of newly born children? And they say they have a extremely long life expectancy, yet they only count the elitists ages at death?

Come on! Wonderful system the WHO has going there - its complete worthless information.

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[Hakahura]

One more thing I forgot to mention - The WHO based its reports on those provided by the governments of each country. It did no independent check!!!!! :o

So they have skewed figures for each country. The USA is probably the most accurate of them all!

Cuba for example aborts all abnormal fetuses, and then say they have an extremely low death rate of newly born children? And they say they have a extremely long life expectancy, yet they only count the elitists ages at death?

Come on! Wonderful system the WHO has going there - its complete worthless information.

-S

May I ask where you got that information?
I failed to find mention of that at any point during the report nor did I notice it contained in one of the numerous links.


If there are a greater number of foriegn dignitaries using the USA opposed to the UK for healthcare outside of their own countries, I would suggest that perhaps there are other non medical factors at work here. For instance the location of the UN is not in the British Isles. Could it be that foriegn dignitaries are as prone to killing 2 birds with 1 stone as those further down the food chain?

[SUBMAN1]

Watch this - should answer many questions:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6ZH1ps20WA

Including the WHO screwed up data.

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[SUBMAN1]

By the way, I hear the UK is trying to get appointments down to 18 weeks! That is just absurd!

And in the UK, they pull their own teeth with pliers and vodka because they can't get an appt for an acheing tooth? Is this why many people from the UK have bad teeth? Crazy! Its shocking to me. :o

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[Hakahura]

Watch this - should answer many questions:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6ZH1ps20WA

Including the WHO screwed up data.

-S

Interesting but this hardly disproves all the WHO data.

All it does is attempt to taint Cuba health statistics.
Even if one were to accept that the WHO got Cuba's wrong are we now to infer that all their findings are incorrect.

Whilst doubt can always be thrown at any report such as this, I think it might be an idea to find something slightly more evidencial than a 20/20 news report.

By the way did notice how none of the interviewees on that report you linked to were named or credited?
However if you read the WHO report you will notice that the authors put their names on it. These are real doctors and accademics whose qualifications and backrounds can be researched allowing a balanced judgement of their findings to be made.

I would suggest that believing a news report from John Stossel on ABC might be considered unsound.

If I recall you agreed with a similar issue in the FOX news thread
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=138918.

You were quite right when you stated....
"The same could be said for each news agency. When wasn't Speigel, or the BBC, or The New York Times, or the LA Times not pushing an agenda? Welcome to the world of news! Better not watch any of it!"

IMHO I think that the WHO report originally linked to by Penelope_grey is a largely accurate document. It was compiled and written by a large team of experts. If you wish to dispute the reports findings, it would show wisdom if your arguments were supported by people of equal stature and experience to the reports authors.

[RickC Sniper]

We have the best health care in the wolrd, but no system if perfect. Get used to it!

I mean, when people get sick around the world, they don't go to Germany, or France, or Spain, or the UK - They avoid them like the plague!!!

Where do they go? America! No where else! We may have to pay insurance premiums, but at the end of the day, that buys us the best stuff money can buy bar none! That is what i want if I ever get sick! Not some Socialist medicine that is a decade or more behind ours! Crazy!

And I get worked on same day if i need it here for any ailment.

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Americans seem to be going elsewhere for medical treatments, rather than people coming to America for the same.


http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06253/719928-37.stm
http://www.news-medical.net/?id=20878
http://www.freemoneyfinance.com/2006/09/money_saving_ti_1.html
http://www.aarp.org/health/doctors/articles/traveling_for_treatment.htm

[Hakahura]

By the way, I hear the UK is trying to get appointments down to 18 weeks! That is just absurd!

And in the UK, they pull their own teeth with pliers and vodka because they can't get an appt for an acheing tooth? Is this why many people from the UK have bad teeth? Crazy! Its shocking to me. :o

-S

The UK is far from perfect.
I agree with you there.

[SUBMAN1]

Interesting but this hardly disproves all the WHO data.

All it does is attempt to taint Cuba health statistics.
Even if one were to accept that the WHO got Cuba's wrong are we now to infer that all their findings are incorrect.

Whilst doubt can always be thrown at any report such as this, I think it might be an idea to find something slightly more evidencial than a 20/20 news report.
By the way did notice how none of the interviewees on that report you linked to were named or credited?
However if you read the WHO report you will notice that the authors put their names on it. These are real doctors and accademics whose qualifications and backrounds can be researched allowing a balanced judgement of their findings to be made.
I would suggest that believing a news report from John Stossel on ABC might be considered unsound.
If I recall you agreed with a similar issue in the FOX news thread
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=138918.
You were quite right when you stated....
"The same could be said for each news agency. When wasn't Speigel, or the BBC, or The New York Times, or the LA Times not pushing an agenda? Welcome to the world of news! Better not watch any of it!"

IMHO I think that the WHO report originally linked to by Penelope_grey is a largely accurate document. It was compiled and written by a large team of experts. If you wish to dispute the reports findings, it would show wisdom if your arguments were supported by people of equal stature and experience to the reports authors.I hear ya, and you make a lot of sense, but on the flip, if these experts do not go out and look for themselves, and rely of governments that think its in their best interest to prop themselves up in the international community, then I'd have to err on the side of sketicism for anything written in that report. That's where my thoughts are.

An example - Cuba doesn't count the deaths of babies that only live a few hours in their submitted report, yet they probably have a worse death rate than the USA, but in the report, they have an incredibly low infant mortality rate because of this!

Without verified independent statistics, any report is meaningless. At least with a news agency, you can find collaborating data from another news source.

Just my 2 cents.

-S

[SUBMAN1]

And one more thought on rank of Health Care - something not taken into account with socialists medicine is the fact that many people die while waiting for care, and these deaths are unaccounted for. In America, it is unlikely that you will die while not being taken care of, so that factors against us.

Its almost like the WHO report is designed to attack Amaerica on its health care system. Pretty typical of the UN I think. They did a similar thing with the Kyoto protocol.

How is waiting 18 months to see a doctor 'better' than immediate care? Who rates this stuff??!!!! And we pay the UN to do these kinds of reports!

-S

[mrbeast]

Its almost like the WHO report is designed to attack Amaerica on its health care system. Pretty typical of the UN I think. They did a similar thing with the Kyoto protocol.

I think you need to see a doctor Subman. You seem to be suffering from 'AnythingAmericanmustbethebestitis' and possibly developing a case of 'AnycriticismoftheUSmustbeanantiAmericanconspiracy Sydrome' :hmm:

[SUBMAN1]

I think you need to see a doctor Subman. You seem to be suffering from 'AnythingAmericanmustbethebestitis' and possibly developing a case of 'AnycriticismoftheUSmustbeanantiAmericanconspiracy Sydrome' :hmm:I'd say your post is violating the posted rules and is a direct attack.

And.... Not everything American is better in my opinion either. Techology however is one area where Americans have a major edge over the rest of the world, but technology does not make up the entire world. Beer may be better in the UK (Flag Porter) or Belgium (Rochefort 10) for example. I like German cars, and I like Swedish cars, and I even like UK cars! Sushi is not an American invention! Need I go on?

-S

[Hakahura]

And one more thought on rank of Health Care - something not taken into account with socialists medicine is the fact that many people die while waiting for care, and these deaths are unaccounted for. In America, it is unlikely that you will die while not being taken care of, so that factors against us.

Its almost like the WHO report is designed to attack Amaerica on its health care system. Pretty typical of the UN I think. They did a similar thing with the Kyoto protocol.

How is waiting 18 months to see a doctor 'better' than immediate care? Who rates this stuff??!!!! And we pay the UN to do these kinds of reports!

-S

A touch paranoid there I think and we are straying a touch OT.
Perhaps a new thread is in order to debate this.
But not by me for now. Things to do places to be.

[SUBMAN1]

And one more thought on rank of Health Care - something not taken into account with socialists medicine is the fact that many people die while waiting for care, and these deaths are unaccounted for. In America, it is unlikely that you will die while not being taken care of, so that factors against us.

Its almost like the WHO report is designed to attack Amaerica on its health care system. Pretty typical of the UN I think. They did a similar thing with the Kyoto protocol.

How is waiting 18 months to see a doctor 'better' than immediate care? Who rates this stuff??!!!! And we pay the UN to do these kinds of reports!

-S
A touch paranoid there I think and we are straying a touch OT.
Perhaps a new thread is in order to debate this.
But not by me for now. Things to do places to be.That wasn't my ideas - that was brought up in some of those news articles with Micheal Moore. Not being paranoid at all.

-S

[clive bradbury]

Well, ok, if everyone else is out to get America, let's see what US organisations feel:


America spends more money on prevention and treatment of disease than ever before, yet it is falling behind on such basic indicators of health as infant mortality and life expectancy.
The US spends about 16% of GDP on healthcare, a proportion expected to climb to 20% by 2015, according to the National Coalition on Health Care. At present spending levels of $1.6 trillion a year, which works out at $6,700 per capita, is double what is spent in countries such as France. And yet that still leaves some 47 million Americans entirely without health coverage, and tens of millions of others under-insured, according to latest census figures.
It also fails to guarantee a better service to those Americans with access to healthcare. The US ranks last or near the bottom on quality, access, efficiency, equity and healthy lives, according to a report in May 2007 from the Commonwealth Fund, which studies healthcare. "The US healthcare system is considered a dysfunctional mess," writes Ezekial Emanuel, chairman of the department of clinical bioethics, in a recent issue of the Journal of the American Medical Association.

[SUBMAN1]

Well, ok, if everyone else is out to get America, let's see what US organisations feel:


America spends more money on prevention and treatment of disease than ever before, yet it is falling behind on such basic indicators of health as infant mortality and life expectancy.
The US spends about 16% of GDP on healthcare, a proportion expected to climb to 20% by 2015, according to the National Coalition on Health Care. At present spending levels of $1.6 trillion a year, which works out at $6,700 per capita, is double what is spent in countries such as France. And yet that still leaves some 47 million Americans entirely without health coverage, and tens of millions of others under-insured, according to latest census figures.
It also fails to guarantee a better service to those Americans with access to healthcare. The US ranks last or near the bottom on quality, access, efficiency, equity and healthy lives, according to a report in May 2007 from the Commonwealth Fund, which studies healthcare. "The US healthcare system is considered a dysfunctional mess," writes Ezekial Emanuel, chairman of the department of clinical bioethics, in a recent issue of the Journal of the American Medical Association.Quality? access? you just reporting some very bogus things! That is completely untrue. I can go see my doctor today! no waiting. And if that isn't ease of access, i don't know what is. Equipment - best money can buy bar none, and the care even a nurse will give you is 10 fold over what I've seen in other countries.

Thats the biggest crock of crap I've ever heard!

And by the way, the mojority of those who are uninsured - choose to be that way. That is liek the red hearing that is out there that is completely untrue in tat they can't get 'health care'. i see that thrown around by the likes of the BBC all the time. Its not true in the slightest! Crap, Mexicans that have no insurance and no SSN and no way to pay still use an estimated $2.1 billion per year in free health care coverage per state!!!! hello? Europe? You hearing that?

your report must be pulling some form of uninsured BS from some where.

-S

[mrbeast]

I'd say your post is violating the posted rules and is a direct attack.

Well Subman I think thats for the moderators to decide don't you?

[Takeda Shingen]

Yep, and I think that it is past time to close this thread.

The Management