The British way of life as they know it - is done! WWII style rationing permanently!

[SUBMAN1]

You nutcase Global Warming Brits are about to get a taste of your own medicine if this passes! Serves you right in my opinion. :up:

-S

Daily Policy Digest

Global Warming

June 27, 2008
BRITISH RATIONING

While American politicians mull a carbon cap-and-trade system for industry, the British are already contemplating the next step: personal CO2 rations. And you thought the talk about a "war" on global warming was just rhetoric, says the Wall Street Journal.
According to a Parliamentary committee proposal:
All British adults would be given "carbon allowances" that they would be required to spend when buying gasoline, airline tickets, electricity or natural gas.
Britons who wanted more credits than they were issued could try to buy them from those who hadn't spent their allotment.
It would cost a country like Britain billions of dollars a year to run a personal cap-and-trade system nationwide.
All of this is supposed to give people a financial incentive to shrink their energy consumption and thus their carbon footprint.This is the clearest picture yet of how environmentalists want to touch every aspect of modern life, with wartime-like rations for energy, says the Journal. The duration of the global warming fight would make the decade and a half of British rationing for World War II seem like a fleeting moment.

Americans haven't even embarked on cap-and-trade for industry yet, although both Barack Obama and John McCain say they favor such a system. Now is the time for U.S. voters to ask the candidates whether they, too, plan to put the "ration" in irrational responses to rising temperatures, says the Journal.

Source: Editorial, "British Rationing," Wall Street Journal, June 25, 2008.
For text:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121434170921901019.html
For more on Global Warming Impacts and Responses:
http://eteam.ncpa.org/issues/?c=impacts-and-responses
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http://www.ncpa.org/sub/dpd/index.php?Article_Category=32 (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/../sub/dpd/index.php?Article_Category=32)http://www.ncpa.org/sub/dpd/index.php?Article_ID=16721

[Kapitan]

If they ever do bring this out the first thing i shall be doing is bording a plane to the USA or Russia and it will be a one way ticket !

[SUBMAN1]

If they ever do bring this out the first thing i shall be doing is bording a plane to the USA or Russia and it will be a one way ticket !Well, there is a ton of land left over here. Feel free! :D And get your citizenship so you can work on American nukes!

What I want to know is, what is it going to take for the Brits to stand up? Their lives get worse every day, yet no one does anything about it over there. Strange.

-S

[MothBalls]

Would beans and cabbage require "carbon allowances" ?

[SUBMAN1]

Would beans and cabbage require "carbon allowances" ?Yes - they use hydrocarbons in the production - fertilizer.

-S

[STEED]

Gordon Brown can go and stick it up his Scottish ass. :yep:

I'm sick of Labour's BS putting the screws on us here in the UK, it's game over and the rest of the world knows it. That Bastard Brown wants us to pay for this crap like solar panels & wall insulation and so on. Thanks to this present Labour government and all those 130 taxes they have bought in since 1997 I am struggling with the cost of living.

[FIREWALL]

Would beans and cabbage require "carbon allowances" ?

No. What you require is Air Pollution Allowances. :p :rotfl:

[kiwi_2005]

Gordon Brown can go and stick it up his Scottish ass. :yep:




:rotfl: I see you still have great things to say about your govenment. :D

[clive bradbury]

As usual, subman, an edited version of the article to 'prove' your point. Merely a proposal put forward by a parliamentary committee, just as all such bodies do all over the world all the time - and quickly dismissed as politically and financially unworkable. If you took the time to examine the activities of similar US political committees you would, I have no doubt, find plenty of ideas which never leave the drawing board.

[SUBMAN1]

As usual, subman, an edited version of the article to 'prove' your point. Merely a proposal put forward by a parliamentary committee, just as all such bodies do all over the world all the time - and quickly dismissed as politically and financially unworkable. If you took the time to examine the activities of similar US political committees you would, I have no doubt, find plenty of ideas which never leave the drawing board.As I would expect something like this to never leave the board, but as always, you Brits always seem to surprise to the point of disbelief! Your political committees are notoriously effective at draconian policy.

Just go look at all the threads started by STEED and you will have you answer on the likelihood of this passing. I'd say the odds are quite good!

-S

[Zachstar]

It's a conspiricy!!!11 Gore/NASA ar3 tak1n over the world!!!11

You ought to see some of the crazy stuff that congress handles sometimes!

[SUBMAN1]

It's a conspiricy!!!11 Gore/NASA ar3 tak1n over the world!!!11

You ought to see some of the crazy stuff that congress handles sometimes!Well from your postings, it is obvious that you have no clue what is going on either for or against! Get an education and then come back. Tired of children posting like they know what is going on when they have no friggen clue. What degrees do you have? If you have at minimum an Associates, then you might know something unless it was obtained in China. Obviously that is more than anyone could hope for here.

-S

[Zachstar]

It's a conspiricy!!!11 Gore/NASA ar3 tak1n over the world!!!11

You ought to see some of the crazy stuff that congress handles sometimes!Well from your postings, it is obvious that you have no clue what is going on either for or against! Get an education and then come back. Tired of children posting like they know what is going on when they have no friggen clue. What degrees do you have? If you have at minimum an Associates, then you might know something unless it was obtained in China. Obviously that is more than anyone could hope for here.

-S

Lay off the Alex Jones talking style plz.

[SUBMAN1]

It's a conspiricy!!!11 Gore/NASA ar3 tak1n over the world!!!11

You ought to see some of the crazy stuff that congress handles sometimes!Well from your postings, it is obvious that you have no clue what is going on either for or against! Get an education and then come back. Tired of children posting like they know what is going on when they have no friggen clue. What degrees do you have? If you have at minimum an Associates, then you might know something unless it was obtained in China. Obviously that is more than anyone could hope for here.

-S
Lay off the Alex Jones talking style plz.Lay off the talk of a 5 year old first! :p

-S

[Zachstar]

It's a conspiricy!!!11 Gore/NASA ar3 tak1n over the world!!!11

You ought to see some of the crazy stuff that congress handles sometimes!Well from your postings, it is obvious that you have no clue what is going on either for or against! Get an education and then come back. Tired of children posting like they know what is going on when they have no friggen clue. What degrees do you have? If you have at minimum an Associates, then you might know something unless it was obtained in China. Obviously that is more than anyone could hope for here.

-S
Lay off the Alex Jones talking style plz.Lay off the talk of a 5 year old first! :p

-S

If you have not noticed the netspeek style used on forums like this usually are used to convey an opinion of the education or mental stability of the person they are responding or talking about.

[SUBMAN1]

If you have not noticed the netspeek style used on forums like this usually are used to convey an opinion of the education or mental stability of the person they are responding or talking about.Well you better edumacate (sarcasm) all of us! :D:D:D We are waiting!

-S

[XabbaRus]

As usual, subman, an edited version of the article to 'prove' your point. Merely a proposal put forward by a parliamentary committee, just as all such bodies do all over the world all the time - and quickly dismissed as politically and financially unworkable. If you took the time to examine the activities of similar US political committees you would, I have no doubt, find plenty of ideas which never leave the drawing board.As I would expect something like this to never leave the board, but as always, you Brits always seem to surprise to the point of disbelief! Your political committees are notoriously effective at draconian policy.

Just go look at all the threads started by STEED and you will have you answer on the likelihood of this passing. I'd say the odds are quite good!

-S

Well I'd love to know how you know that our lives get worse every day? You don't live here just cherry pick stuff off the internet to then spin to suit your point of view.

[STEED]

The bit in my post on solar panels was on the news here, Labour want so many houses to be fitted with them and I suspect that would be here in the SE of England where we get the better hotter weather.

All these things will happen as the oil crunch hits home, its just a matter of time. Plans for more nuclear reactors are well under away here but one idea Labour came up with about battery cars is way off for some 30 years or so.

[clive bradbury]

Obviously a virtually free source of energy for a home has to be a good idea. However, whilst it may be good to incorporate into new buildings as a matter of course, it doesn't seem economical in an existing property.

We currently need our roof replacing, so I took a look at solar panel options:

1. To heat water only. As our boiler only heats the water we actually need, this is pointless.

2. Panels to actucally generate electricity. Sounds much more like it, doesn't it? Until you do the numbers. About £9,000 to fit, saving about £150pa on electricity in the English Midlands - where I live. Well, that equates to 53 years before it pays for itself. As I am 50 now, I will have long since subsided into a gibbering wreck smelling of urine before I get my money back.

Conclusion - keep my money and spend it on beer...

[mrbeast]

If they ever do bring this out the first thing i shall be doing is bording a plane to the USA or Russia and it will be a one way ticket !Well, there is a ton of land left over here. Feel free! :D And get your citizenship so you can work on American nukes!

What I want to know is, what is it going to take for the Brits to stand up? Their lives get worse every day, yet no one does anything about it over there. Strange.

-S

Subman, I curious you seem to 'know' a lot about how bad things are over here in thre UK; have you ever even been to the UK?

[UnderseaLcpl]

The only good government is a small government that doesn't bother you much.

As far as Britain goes I've been there only twice but it seemed like a lovely country. Gas prices seemed rather high (this was when U.S. gas was only a dollar a gallon) and the taxes and gun control policies didn't suit me but other than that, very nice.

[STEED]

Get a load of this, on Country file today there was a article about wind power and Gordon Brown is setting up a greater number of wind turbines to fall in line with the EU co2 omissions target which will decrease our co2 but here's the catch, our electric bills are set to rocket sky high. Some trade off this is which is going to cause problems by 2020.

[Jimbuna]

Obviously a virtually free source of energy for a home has to be a good idea. However, whilst it may be good to incorporate into new buildings as a matter of course, it doesn't seem economical in an existing property.

We currently need our roof replacing, so I took a look at solar panel options:

1. To heat water only. As our boiler only heats the water we actually need, this is pointless.

2. Panels to actucally generate electricity. Sounds much more like it, doesn't it? Until you do the numbers. About £9,000 to fit, saving about £150pa on electricity in the English Midlands - where I live. Well, that equates to 53 years before it pays for itself. As I am 50 now, I will have long since subsided into a gibbering wreck smelling of urine before I get my money back.

Conclusion - keep my money and spend it on beer...

Nothing ever beats the realistic approach.

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[Platapus]

2. Panels to actucally generate electricity. Sounds much more like it, doesn't it? Until you do the numbers. About £9,000 to fit, saving about £150pa on electricity in the English Midlands - where I live. Well, that equates to 53 years before it pays for itself. As I am 50 now, I will have long since subsided into a gibbering wreck smelling of urine before I get my money back.

Conclusion - keep my money and spend it on beer...

Is saving money the only reason someone would consider solar panels?

[Tango589]

2. Panels to actucally generate electricity. Sounds much more like it, doesn't it? Until you do the numbers. About £9,000 to fit, saving about £150pa on electricity in the English Midlands - where I live. Well, that equates to 53 years before it pays for itself. As I am 50 now, I will have long since subsided into a gibbering wreck smelling of urine before I get my money back.

Conclusion - keep my money and spend it on beer...

Is saving money the only reason someone would consider solar panels?

Personally speaking - pretty much yes. I wouldn't go spending 9-odd grand on a solar panel system without being fairly confident I was going get some financial benefit.