Obama is a Muslim!

[SUBMAN1]

http://web.israelinsider.com/Articles/Politics/12918.htm

"Senator Obama has never been a Muslim, was not raised as a Muslim, and is a committed Christian."

Apparently Malik Obama, himself a Muslim, had not read the press release.


http://web.israelinsider.com/Static/Binaries/Article/obamamalikholdaphotoofhisbro424_0.jpg

Uhhh! Speechless! He has said many times before that he has never had any ties to Muslims and grew up a Christian. How come he is in Muslim dress here in 1985????

-S

[AVGWarhawk]

I believe this photo was discredited as trip to Africa and this is African garb.

[SUBMAN1]

I believe this photo was discredited as trip to Africa and this is African garb.Even if is is, how about this part:

Melanie Phillips is the most recent commentator to draw attention to the massive body of evidence (http://web.israelinsider.com/views/12917.htm) that leaves no doubt that Barak Hussein Obama was born a Muslim (Islam is patrilineal) and raised a Muslim (so registered in school, acknowledging attending Islamic classes, reported accompanying his step-father to the mosque, and able to recite the Koran in the original Arabic).
And besides - thats his brother who comfirmed it!

-S

[PeriscopeDepth]

I think that website has a _slight_ bias against Obama. Weird how news organizations with half an iota of credibility aren't running with this story.

PD

[SUBMAN1]

I think that website has a _slight_ bias against Obama. Weird how news organizations with half an iota of credibility aren't running with this story.

PDDoesn't matter if they have the evidence that can be verified.

[PeriscopeDepth]

I think that website has a _slight_ bias against Obama. Weird how news organizations with half an iota of credibility aren't running with this story.

PDDoesn't matter if they have the evidence that can be verified.
If it can be verified by credible sources and they have their facts straight, then there is no doubt this will soon be a big headline. I'm refreshing FoxNews's political page constantly...It'll be soon I'm sure.

PD

[Blacklight]

What the hell does the religion of a presidential canditate have to do with anything ? Unless he's one of those people who's religious beliefs overdominate everything he does, what does it matter wether he's a Muslem or a Lutheran, or a Baptist, or a Buddist, or whatever.

(Unfortunately, only the people in the far religious right who feel that belief in God and Jesus Christ should be EVERYTHING and nothing else matters are a huge lobby and are probably the only people who would care. It's because of their large numbers that we probably will never see an aithiest president in office.)

[PeriscopeDepth]

http://snopes.com/politics/obama/muslim.asp

PD

[NEON DEON]

Ummmm. So what. If he was a Mormon or a Hindu, he could not run for President?

Better to concentrate on his 20 year relationship with the wrong Reverend Wright.

[SUBMAN1]

What the hell does the religion of a presidential canditate have to do with anything ? Unless he's one of those people who's religious beliefs overdominate everything he does, what does it matter wether he's a Muslem or a Lutheran, or a Baptist, or a Buddist, or whatever.Because he is lying and concealing the truth. That has everything to do with it. Why would he do that? That is the part that scares me since it will be found out eventually.

Just checking up here:
http://www.danielpipes.org/article/5354

He seems to be throwing his cousin under the bus too:
http://www.nationmedia.com/dailynation/nmgcontententry.asp?category_id=1&newsid=125450


He seems to be throwing every Muslim under the bus to get what he wants now:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/06/17/EDOQ11A1L3.DTL


Check this:
"Mengagi" is a word and a term that is accorded the highest value and status in the mindset of fundamentalist societies here in Southeast Asia. To put it quite simply, "mengaji classes" are not something that a non practicing or so-called moderate Muslim family would ever send their child to... The fact that Obama had attended mengaji classes is well known in Indonesia (http://ollyfuny.multiply.com/reviews/item/3) and has left many there wondering just when Obama is going to come out of the closet.


Obama's former pastor is a Muslim to Christianity convert even it seems:
http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=a74fca23-f6ac-4736-9c78-f4163d4f25c7&p=8
Is that why he hates Obama so much? Because Obama never converted?

Theres too much to list here.

-S

[SUBMAN1]

http://snopes.com/politics/obama/muslim.asp

PDSnopes is wrong in this case. They are not always right be the way. I've found things they've flubbed up before.

-S

[VipertheSniper]

He seems to be throwing his cousin under the bus too:
http://www.nationmedia.com/dailynation/nmgcontententry.asp?category_id=1&newsid=125450


Just because Odinga claims he's a cousin of Obama, doesn't make it true tho.

[Officerpuppy]

Personally if he is or isn't, I don't care, its about the issues right?
People used to make a fuss about Kennedy being Catholic, did it matter on election night? Nope.

JFK said it best: "But because I am a Catholic, and no Catholic has ever been elected President, the real issues in this campaign have been obscured--perhaps deliberately, in some quarters less responsible than this. So it is apparently necessary for me to state once again--not what kind of church I believe in, for that should be important only to me--but what kind of America I believe in. "

[richardphat]

Well arent politician liar most of the time???

[AVGWarhawk]

At this point, America is so in love with Obama and his "change" campaign, he could be from mars with three heads and it would not matter. The only change we will see if he becomes president is a change in our taxes...and not a good change.

[Blacklight]

I like him. I'm voting for him. :up:

[baggygreen]

At this point, America is so in love with Obama and his "change" campaign, he could be from mars with three heads and it would not matter. The only change we will see if he becomes president is a change in our taxes...and not a good change.Again...

if the US repeats the error aussies made in electing kevin Rudd, it isnt going to be very pretty. Change for the sake of change is not a good enough reason..

[Ducimus]

I really doubt Obama will get elected. Racial and religious bigotry will see to that.

[AVGWarhawk]

I really doubt Obama will get elected. Racial and religious bigotry will see to that.

I believe the debates will be his undoing. He is not qualifed at this point in time.

[AVGWarhawk]

I like him. I'm voting for him. :up:

There needs to be more then "liking" a candidate to warrant a vote from me.

[Platapus]

I like him. I'm voting for him. :up:

There needs to be more then "liking" a candidate to warrant a vote from me.

And I am sure there will be a number of people who will be voting for Obama because he aint McCain too.

People vote for candidates for the strangest reasons it appears.

[August]

I really doubt Obama will get elected. Racial and religious bigotry will see to that.

So anyone who doesn't vote for Obama is a racist and/or a religious bigot? :roll:

The truth is as many people who wouldn't vote for him because he's black, there are even more who WILL vote for him just because he IS black.

[kiwi_2005]

Could turn out to be a good thing for americans if he is Muslim, might relax the muslims attitude towards Americans, They (hardcore mussies) wont beable to shout slogans 'Americans hate muslims' when the US president is muslim!

[Ducimus]

I really doubt Obama will get elected. Racial and religious bigotry will see to that.

So anyone who doesn't vote for Obama is a racist and/or a religious bigot? :roll:
.


Didn't like the ugly truth huh? I never said anyone who doesnt vote for obama is a racist and a religous bigot. YOU said that. I said that racial and religous bigotry in this country makes it doubtul he'll get elected.

[August]

I really doubt Obama will get elected. Racial and religious bigotry will see to that.
So anyone who doesn't vote for Obama is a racist and/or a religious bigot? :roll:
.

Didn't like the ugly truth huh? I never said anyone who doesnt vote for obama is a racist and a religous bigot. YOU said that. I said that racial and religous bigotry in this country makes it doubtul he'll get elected.

The ugly truth? I was asking you if that was what you meant. Notice the question mark (?)? Your reply makes me think my assumption was right. You're just attempting to villify the political opposition and being rather blatant at it i might add.

Personally I think if he looses the election (and that's a big if at this point) it will be because he isn't the better of the two candidates for the job. As AVG says this will become evident in the debates.

[Tchocky]

I really doubt Obama will get elected. Racial and religious bigotry will see to that.
I believe the debates will be his undoing. He is not qualifed at this point in time.
The debates will indeed be interesting. Neither candidate is a very good debater at all.
Obama is far too wooden when put on the spot, he gives good answers but far too slowly.
McCain is an awful public speaker, I think. He falls over his own positions in normal interviews, I think if Obama trains himself well he can carry the debates.

[Ducimus]

You're just attempting to villify the political opposition and being rather blatant at it i might add.


Acutally, This part i ommited out that you said

" there are even more who WILL vote for him just because he IS black."

Is bascially refrence to the "kill whitey" crowd because your taking sides out of poltical interest. So the irony is, YOUR the one whos making poltical statements here. What i said has NOTHING to do with politics. I made a social statement, not a political one. Your looking for something that isn't here pal. So take your political chip on your shoulder and wave it at somebody else. Cause i could give less then a sh*t if your poltical sensabitlies are offended because there are a number of people in this country who say, "I wont vote for a ******!" Thats reality, deal with it.

[Reece]

Could turn out to be a good thing for americans if he is Muslim, might relax the muslims attitude towards Americans
After September 11 I doubt the attitude of Americans towards muslims wil relax!:-?

[Ducimus]

Since im being pissy about being baited into some poltical bull****, i may as well state, i think its awesome Obama has made it as far as he has. A few years ago, a black presidential candidate would have been unthinkable. Our society has made great strides in that regard, but, i still doubt he'll get elected. Truth be told, when my own spouse tells me, "I wont vote for a ******", that left a scar. For all the reasons to reject any candidate, this one was the most crappy to me.

I knew racism was deep seeded in this country, but i didnt know it was under my own roof. I shouldn't be surpised though, she lived in the south most of her life, and i found out about how it is down in places like mississipp once i had been "accepted" by some of the good ole boys down there. Thats when they trust you enough to tell you what they're REALLY thinking, and "the N word" comes up quite often.

[August]

You're just attempting to villify the political opposition and being rather blatant at it i might add.

Acutally, This part i ommited out that you said

" there are even more who WILL vote for him just because he IS black."

Is bascially refrence to the "kill whitey" crowd because your taking sides out of poltical interest. So the irony is, YOUR the one whos making poltical statements here. What i said has NOTHING to do with politics. I made a social statement, not a political one. Your looking for something that isn't here pal. So take your political chip on your shoulder and wave it at somebody else. Cause i could give less then a sh*t if your poltical sensabitlies are offended because there are a number of people in this country who say, "I wont vote for a ******!" Thats reality, deal with it.

First the only chip on a shoulder is yours "pal".

Secondly your social statement is pure crap.

Of course there are racists in EVERY society, just like there are those who will cast their vote for any number of other irrelevant reasons, including some sort of misguided feeling of guilt for an institution that ended in this country almost 150 years ago (which puts paid to your kill whitey attempt at slander) at the cost of a horrible civil war.

That does NOT mean they will effect the election one way or the other. If anything the fact that you believe that is the deciding factor points to your own distorted sense of reality than anything else.

[Ducimus]

Secondly your social statement is pure crap.


Your political baiting is whats crap here.


First the only chip on a shoulder is yours "pal".


Your xenophobic poltiical tendencies is what your chip is, and if i didnt have a chip on my shoulder, I DO NOW!!!!!


edit: OH hey wait, i forgot, theres an ignore feature. Nifty thing that. Bye bye I suggest you take your two bit poltical BS and do the same.

[August]

Whatever. :roll:

Edit:

Oh and BTW just in case you still can read this. I say racism isn't the deciding factor. You, based on your wifes own racism, believe that it is. It's YOU are the Xenophobe not me.
As for putting you on ignore. Not a chance. I'll comment on what you write and i don't care one whit if you choose to ignore it because it won't really be you i am addressing.

Have fun with Skybird in the world of "hear no evil". Buh bye!

[Ducimus]

I have no idea what you just said, but i'll bet it was another load of crap to further bait me into more political crap that you seem to love to argue so much. Or maybe, "Yes hes put me on ignore, I win!" Or maybe, "wahh, he put me on ignore, id never do that to anyone".

Either way, as if i really care.

[August]

:lol::lol::lol:

[PeriscopeDepth]

Today must be call August racist day or something.

PD

[August]

Today must be call August racist day or something.

PD

:D

Eh, God made us Paratroopers with a thick skin. Thicker than Navy Seals apparently.

[baggygreen]

i feel like i've been hit over the head with a big wet fish...

i dont even know where that argument stemmed from!!:huh:

Anyways,

If he were to win the presidency and then later on announce he really is a muslim, im sure someone would attempt to impeach him or something for lying during his campaign. Like it or not, his being a muslim or not being a muslim WILL influence people's votes.

As an outsider whose country shares a helluva lot with the US, I'm just hopeful that he doesnt win

[NEON DEON]

Obama and most his fans have no problem throwing out the racist card because I believe they think African Americans are exempt from being racists.

If McCain wins, You will never here the end of it. People are setting that scenario up that it is racism, even now, in the hopes they will guilt you into voting for Obama.

http://images.politico.com/global/080430_edtoon5-1_600.jpg

[August]

i feel like i've been hit over the head with a big wet fish...

i dont even know where that argument stemmed from!!:huh:

Anyways,

If he were to win the presidency and then later on announce he really is a muslim, im sure someone would attempt to impeach him or something for lying during his campaign. Like it or not, his being a muslim or not being a muslim WILL influence people's votes.

As an outsider whose country shares a helluva lot with the US, I'm just hopeful that he doesnt win

Me either. It's like he was looking for someone to get mad at and i just happened to be his Huckleberry. Oh well. Like I enjoy commenting on Skybirds posts without having to read his tome like replies i'm sure i'll have fun with Ducimus as well.

As for impeaching Obama for concealing his religion, no way is that going to happen my friend. He's a two decade member of a Christian church so these Muslim claims just aren't gonna stick. In fact if this argument continues to be pushed I think there will be a backlash that might actually increase his chances of getting elected. Either way however it isn't the end of the world in spite of what some here might claim. I'm sure Obama is as committed to the well being of this nation as McCain or even Hillary is.

[Blacklight]

Truth be told, when my own spouse tells me, "I wont vote for a ******", that left a scar.

I hope you gave her a good verbal thrashing for that. I would have if she was my wife (Plus made her sleep on the couch while I threaten divorce). Being from the south is no excuse for that comment. I would not even begin to tollerate that kind of thinking in my spouse and I'd be out the door or have her out the door with unnatural speed.

I'm no longer allowed over my stepmom's sister's house because my step uncle is an racist. At the dinner table, he said the "N" word about someone and I gave him a verbal lashing that neither he nor the rest of my step family is bound to forget. Good riddence. I don't want to go over there anymore now anyway. :stare:
Anyone making racist comments around me pushes my buttons bigtime and I don't keep my mouth shut. Ever.

[richardphat]

You guys like talking about politic.................:lol:

[Ducimus]

Obama and most his fans have no problem throwing out the racist card because I believe they think African Americans are exempt from being racists.


Not an Obama fan. Infact, i cant make heads nor tails of the guy. I made a general social commentary, that, i feel, is the truth. I've seen and dealt with racism first hand many times, it's everywhere, theres no need to point fingers, and it has nothing to do with politics. But If you want to be tard like august and twist everything into a poltiical argument or agenda, you go right ahead.


Truth be told, when my own spouse tells me, "I wont vote for a ******", that left a scar.

I hope you gave her a good verbal thrashing for that.

I did. Truth be told, i felt crushed she said such a thing. I wont ever forget it.

[August]

I made a general social commentary, that, i feel, is the truth. I've seen and dealt with racism first hand many times, it's everywhere, theres no need to point fingers, and it has nothing to do with politics. But If you want to be tard like august and twist everything into a poltiical argument or agenda, you go right ahead.

Just because you are angry at your wife doesn't mean you can take it out on everyone else. Maybe you ought to see an anger management specialist.

[NEON DEON]

[quote=NEON DEON]Obama and most his fans have no problem throwing out the racist card because I believe they think African Americans are exempt from being racists.


Not an Obama fan. Infact, i cant make heads nor tails of the guy. I made a general social commentary, that, i feel, is the truth. I've seen and dealt with racism first hand many times, it's everywhere, theres no need to point fingers, and it has nothing to do with politics. But If you want to be tard like august and twist everything into a poltiical argument or agenda, you go right ahead.



Whats a tard?

Does that come with a "bas" or a "re" or both?:hmm:


BTW: How long did you and your wife know each other before you got married?

[Stealth Hunter]

Why should we even care if he's a Muslim? Mitt Romney is a Mormon, FFS. Why can't we gripe about that?

This country guarantees that any natural born citizen has the right to run for president. It also guarantees the freedom of religion. However, with Christians quickly taking over, that right is slowly becoming disregarded.

Who cares if he's a Muslim. So long as he makes a good president, he should have your vote. That's all you need to care about.

Also note that the photo you posted is actually from his trip to Africa and the woman you're talking about SUB is all talk.

[rifleman13]

http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/bl_barack_obama_muslim.htm

Good, old fashioned propaganda!:nope:

[Skybird]

Why should we even care if he's a Muslim? Mitt Romney is a Mormon, FFS. Why can't we gripe about that?

This country guarantees that any natural born citizen has the right to run for president. It also guarantees the freedom of religion. However, with Christians quickly taking over, that right is slowly becoming disregarded.

Who cares if he's a Muslim. So long as he makes a good president, he should have your vote. That's all you need to care about.

That naivety must be intentional, I assume. :dead: you once said something that you had seen too much bad in war as if you could believe in Allah anymore. But if you think you can heal the world by just ignoring the the institutions and construction people form around religions, then I must tell you the world is not such as if this could ever work. a world where peple do not care for religious institutions, or other people's beliefs - it would be a desirable utopia. But man's world is no such paradise, but a jungle.

-----

Nevertheless, as Mikhayl already said, the accusation against Obama is a myth, that is tried time and again since one year and longer. It works by raising fears that then irrationally overcome reason. You could as well accuse McCain of being the secret head of the KKK.

Wether or not trying this myth time and again is a dirty trick played by politically active campaigners, or posters, or both, i leave to the creative imagination of every individual.

[Platapus]

Could turn out to be a good thing for americans if he is Muslim, might relax the muslims attitude towards Americans
After September 11 I doubt the attitude of Americans towards muslims wil relax!:-?


Why. Did American attitudes against Christens change after OK City?

[Skybird]

Why. Did American attitudes against Christens change after OK City?
1. Man is neither as reasonable as you seem to imply,
2. pictures have the more power over the irrational mind the more epic they are, and
3. 9/11 was an attack motivated by Islamic ideology.

I hope that helps over the "Why".

Has naivety become an argument lately?

[SUBMAN1]

Why. Did American attitudes against Christens change after OK City?Timothy McVey had nothing to do with Christianity during his attack. I think you are mixing him up with Koresh.

-S

[SUBMAN1]

Obama and most his fans have no problem throwing out the racist card because I believe they think African Americans are exempt from being racists.

If McCain wins, You will never here the end of it. People are setting that scenario up that it is racism, even now, in the hopes they will guilt you into voting for Obama.

McCain will win. All the demo's are gathering around him now so he has support from both sides of the aisle - shows you what the dems think of Obama.

Anyway, Obama better be careful with the race card - I don't know of a single white voter that takes kindly to any race cards flying around. I'm pretty sure all white people are sick of the race card and only expect it from the likes of Jesse Jackson, and not from a president. He has a chance if he runs a clean campaign, but no chance if the race card comes out.

-S

[Kapitan_Phillips]

Muslim or not, he's still running for presidency.

[Von Tonner]

To those who persist in flogging this blatant untruth that Obama is a muslim ask yourself this simple question.

If he was a closet Muslim in whose interest would this be if it was true?

Lets start with Hillary, Foxnews, the GOP, McCain to name but a few in whose interest this would be. All of them, have invested time and money in trying to find just a sliver of evidence to support this claim. CNN, for example, sent a investigative team down to Jakarta where Obama did his elementary schooling and found, contrary to claims by Murdoch's media empire, that it wasn't a madrassa at all.
http://mediamatters.org/items/200701230010

This kind of crap spewed out over the internet has made it necessary for the Obama campaign to set up a website dedicated to fight these untruths.

So before you, in your gullibility, believe the email or posting that tells you he used the Koran when sworn into the Senate, or he wasn't born in the US etc, check out:
http://my.barackobama.com/page/content/fightthesmearshome/ and do your bit to help fight the smears.

After all, whatever your political persuasion, surely the 'truthfulness' of any statement takes precedence over what you might wish or hope for?

[Tchocky]

After all, whatever your political persuasion, surely the 'truthfulness' of any statement takes precedence over what you might wish or hope for?

Don't be silly :p

I remember a voter poll in mid-April (I think), where 13% of voters believed Obama was a Muslim.
I wonder if this overlapped with the demographic worried about Rev Wright?

http://isbarackobamaamuslim.com/

[SUBMAN1]

To those who persist in flogging this blatant untruth that Obama is a muslim ask yourself this simple question.

If he was a closet Muslim in whose interest would this be if it was true?

Lets start with Hillary, Foxnews, the GOP, McCain to name but a few in whose interest this would be. All of them, have invested time and money in trying to find just a sliver of evidence to support this claim. CNN, for example, sent a investigative team down to Jakarta where Obama did his elementary schooling and found, contrary to claims by Murdoch's media empire, that it wasn't a madrassa at all.
http://mediamatters.org/items/200701230010

This kind of crap spewed out over the internet has made it necessary for the Obama campaign to set up a website dedicated to fight these untruths.

So before you, in your gullibility, believe the email or posting that tells you he used the Koran when sworn into the Senate, or he wasn't born in the US etc, check out:
http://my.barackobama.com/page/content/fightthesmearshome/ and do your bit to help fight the smears.

After all, whatever your political persuasion, surely the 'truthfulness' of any statement takes precedence over what you might wish or hope for?I don't think you have it right. Overwhelming evidence from his brother to his ex teachers say different.

Its not that he is a Muslim now - maybe he is not, but he should come out of the closet regardless.

-S

[Von Tonner]

I remember a voter poll in mid-April (I think), where 13% of voters believed Obama was a Muslim.
I wonder if this overlapped with the demographic worried about Rev Wright?

http://isbarackobamaamuslim.com/
You are quite right, that is one of the reasons that the Obama campaign has set up this website to fight the smears. Just as the internet can and has helped Obama in seeing off challengers in his quest for the White House, it also has a negative to it.

As an example, we are already now onto page 3 discussing the OP erroneous statement that Obama is a muslim - and this is Subsim - can you imagine the crap out there on sites dedicated to trashing him.

[Skybird]

So, it's not ok for Obama to play the "race card", but it's ok to try to dismiss him because he's muslim (well :roll: ). Just trying to follow :D

Dismissing somebody for skin colour etc, is racism.

Dismissing somebody for the ideology he commits to, is holding him responsible.

You would hold me responsible for holding up Nazism, if I would do that, right? and right you would do. It would not be racism, but determination to confront the political goals I would stand for, if I would defend Nazism.

Should the board call you a racist, when you would confront me then? Hardly.

[jumpy]

Seems to me that if Obama looses, he'll probably distance himself from any voiced opinion declaring that it was somehow 'racist' if he doesn't win. If he want's to keep any graciousness in defeat, of course.
That a black man is a presidential candidate, when only 40 years ago america still had separate drinking fountains and special seats on the buses for the 'darkies', must show some value for change in american society; at least publicly if not behind some closed doors.

[August]

Seems to me that if Obama looses, he'll probably distance himself from any voiced opinion declaring that it was somehow 'racist' if he doesn't win. If he want's to keep any graciousness in defeat, of course.
That a black man is a presidential candidate, when only 40 years ago america still had separate drinking fountains and special seats on the buses for the 'darkies', must show some value for change in american society; at least publicly if not behind some closed doors.

I should point that those laws existed only in a few states but yeah, we have come a long way in 40 years.

[SUBMAN1]

You are quite right, that is one of the reasons that the Obama campaign has set up this website to fight the smears. Just as the internet can and has helped Obama in seeing off challengers in his quest for the White House, it also has a negative to it.

As an example, we are already now onto page 3 discussing the OP erroneous statement that Obama is a muslim - and this is Subsim - can you imagine the crap out there on sites dedicated to trashing him.Wong answer! :D What you are seeing is Obamas website already caught in a lie! Go tell this stuff to his brother! ;) You might get a laugh out of him.

In the meantime, explain how he didn't practice Islam after reading this website too - http://www.danielpipes.org/article/5354

-S

[AVGWarhawk]

Tsk Tsk.....


http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0608/11168.html

[JoeCorrado]

I believe this photo was discredited as trip to Africa and this is African garb.
I also believe that the father aboandoned Obama and his mother when he was just two years old.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/12/14/politics/washingtonpost/main3618311_page2.shtml


Surprised that Duci feels so threatened. :hmm:

[SUBMAN1]

I believe this photo was discredited as trip to Africa and this is African garb.
I also believe that the father aboandoned Obama and his mother when he was just two years old.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/12/14/politics/washingtonpost/main3618311_page2.shtml


Surprised that Duci feels so threatened. :hmm:There is evidence of his father being around when he was even 5. Another lie?

-S

[SUBMAN1]

Tsk Tsk.....


http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0608/11168.htmlI think this is so Muslims don't ask him any questions.

Nice.

-S

[Enigma]

Haha. I must admit, I do enjoy watching the righties scrape and claw and squirm for a reason to discredit this guy....:roll:

[AVGWarhawk]

Haha. I must admit, I do enjoy watching the righties scrape and claw and squirm for a reason to discredit this guy....:roll:
Righties? Hell, it was Obama's handlers who asked the people with head scarfs not to be in the picture as noted in above post. McCains has done next to nothing in discrediting the guy. Obama has one major flaw....inexperience. Nothing more. BTW, the discrediting went on more by the Clinton Campaign then anything or was that last weeks news?

[AVGWarhawk]

And yet another:

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Vote2008/wireStory?id=5193874


Can't say his middle name either. Gosh, what next. I'm beginning to feel this is all contrived to get Obama in the White House....NO really?

[SUBMAN1]

And yet another:

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Vote2008/wireStory?id=5193874


Can't say his middle name either. Gosh, what next. I'm beginning to feel this is all contrived to get Obama in the White House....NO really?Scary.

-S

[AVGWarhawk]

And yet another:

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Vote2008/wireStory?id=5193874


Can't say his middle name either. Gosh, what next. I'm beginning to feel this is all contrived to get Obama in the White House....NO really?Scary.

-S

Yes it is scary. Really, what next. Now photo op are tailor made to make Obama look good? Can not say his middle name? Talk about being groomed for the White House. Looks great, does not know crap. Obama '08.

[NEON DEON]

And yet another:

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Vote2008/wireStory?id=5193874


Can't say his middle name either. Gosh, what next. I'm beginning to feel this is all contrived to get Obama in the White House....NO really?

It is pretty much all orchestrated politics as usual manipulation. I think you need a huge marketing resume when applying for campaign manager these days. The problem with Obama is that he seems to avoid confrontation. I doubt that he will be able to side step all the way to November. I suppose it would all depend on the independents and moderates of each party to decide. Can hope and change rhetoric out last inexperience and Obama’s jaded associations or will the middle wake up and send McCain to the White House?

[Ducimus]

Surprised that Duci feels so threatened. :hmm:

Ever have one of those days where your just not in the mood to put up with peoples petty bullschitt? I make a simple, honest, direct statement and these retards (aka 'tard') have to make a god damn poltiical debate out of it. Im still pissed about that. I swear, half the numbnuts in this forum can't hold a conversation unless debating about politics and religion. I should start adding each and everyone of those people to my ignore list, and then post a screenshot later on to show what this forum really looks like.

[NEON DEON]

Surprised that Duci feels so threatened. :hmm:

I make a simple, honest, direct statement and these retards (aka 'tard')

Ok thanks for clearing that up.

I should start adding each and everyone of those people to my ignore list,

Can I be on the list?

I sure do hope so.

[August]

Surprised that Duci feels so threatened. :hmm:
I make a simple, honest, direct statement and these retards (aka 'tard')
Ok thanks for clearing that up.

I should start adding each and everyone of those people to my ignore list,
Can I be on the list?

I sure do hope so.

The coolest part is once they add you to their ignore list you're now free to comment on their posts without having to dealing with their rather large egos and fake injured pride.

[AVGWarhawk]

Not sure what this has to do with Obama being a retired Muslim but hey, that is just me.

[Platapus]

Not sure what this has to do with Obama being a retired Muslim but hey, that is just me.


it is like seeing a train wreck. You want to look away but you just can't :)

[SUBMAN1]

Chill out guys. Ducimus is just having a bad day. We all go through those days.
-S

[PeriscopeDepth]

Not sure what this has to do with Obama being a retired Muslim but hey, that is just me.
They have an awesome severance package if it includes going for the Presidency. :lol:

Chill out guys. Ducimus is just having a bad day. We all go through those days.
This might be the best post in this thread.

PD

[Sldghammer]

So you're saying that 25 or 30 or more years ago, Obama decided that he was going to run for POTUS and that when he would run, far in the future, America would distrust muslims, so he became a Christian to have a better image.

And no-one wold suspect that he was a closet muslim.

If he's that smart, I would vote for him.

[Zero Niner]

Congressman Keith Ellison, a converted Muslim, wanted to use a Koran during his swearing in ceremony, and created an uproar in the process. Link: http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/1207/p01s03-uspo.html

I'd think a similar uproar would ensue if Obama tried to do the same.

As for Obama being a closet Muslim while professing the Christian faith, I find this so preposterous I don't know whether to laugh or cry for you Americans.

He's identified with the Christian faith for what, something like 20 years?

Is the implication then that Muslims have been secretly plotting against the West for all that time, and chose only to act during 9/11?

Islam is no monolithic religion any more than Christianity is. Like the latter, Islam has two main sects, Shia and Sunni, who regard each other at the fundamental level as apostates. This was one of the factors fueling the internecine violence in Iraq.

Even within each sect there are many "denominations" (for want of a better word) and even cults. Wahhabism, which comes from the Sunni tradition, is a relatively recent doctrine created in the 18th century.

There was a cult in Malaysia (teapot cult, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sky_Kingdom) that was disbanded by the Malaysian government in 2005.

There is no central authority in Islam (compared to say the Catholic Church where the Pope is the authority).

Also, Obama being a closet Muslim would incur the risk of being labeled an apostate which in some Muslim jurisdictions is a serious crime.

Occam's Razor comes to mind.

[Stealth Hunter]

Congressman Keith Ellison, a converted Muslim, wanted to use a Koran during his swearing in ceremony, and created an uproar in the process. Link: http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/1207/p01s03-uspo.html

I'd think a similar uproar would ensue if Obama tried to do the same.

As for Obama being a closet Muslim while professing the Christian faith, I find this so preposterous I don't know whether to laugh or cry for you Americans.

He's identified with the Christian faith for what, something like 20 years?

Is the implication then that Muslims have been secretly plotting against the West for all that time, and chose only to act during 9/11?

Islam is no monolithic religion any more than Christianity is. Like the latter, Islam has two main sects, Shia and Sunni, who regard each other at the fundamental level as apostates. This was one of the factors fueling the internecine violence in Iraq.

Even within each sect there are many "denominations" (for want of a better word) and even cults. Wahhabism, which comes from the Sunni tradition, is a relatively recent doctrine created in the 18th century.

There was a cult in Malaysia (teapot cult, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sky_Kingdom) that was disbanded by the Malaysian government in 2005.

There is no central authority in Islam (compared to say the Catholic Church where the Pope is the authority).

Also, Obama being a closet Muslim would incur the risk of being labeled an apostate which in some Muslim jurisdictions is a serious crime.

Occam's Razor comes to mind.

Couldn't sum it up any better.

[Enigma]

Is it ok to elect coke sniffing recovering alcoholics? Just asking...

[PeriscopeDepth]

Is it ok to elect coke sniffing recovering alcoholics? Just asking...
By Obama's own admission he used to fit that profile. But judging by precedent, yes!

PD

[AVGWarhawk]

Is it ok to elect coke sniffing recovering alcoholics? Just asking...

He sniffed but did not inhale. :up: All is well in the land. :shifty:

[August]

I'm no fan of Obama but I will say i'd rather have a president who has made his share of mistakes, especially in his youth, than one whose entire past life is without flaw.

A sign of character to me is not whether one makes a miss-step now and then but how they get themselves back on track afterward.

[SUBMAN1]

I'm no fan of Obama but I will say i'd rather have a president who has made his share of mistakes, especially in his youth, than one whose entire past life is without flaw.

A sign of character to me is not whether one makes a miss-step now and then but how they get themselves back on track afterward.When someone has their hand on the button, we can't afford any miss-steps. I prefer a president that can learn from other peoples mistakes so he doesn't have to make the same one. Screw someone who screws up and can then get back on track. Wrong person to hold the office. We need someone that doesn't screw up at all.

-S

[August]

We need someone that doesn't screw up at all.

That person has never existed and would not be a member of the human race if he did.

Furthermore anyone purporting to have never made a mistake is a liar.

[SUBMAN1]

We need someone that doesn't screw up at all.
That person has never existed and would not be a member of the human race if he did.

Furthermore anyone purporting to have never made a mistake is a liar.True, but the size of ones mistakes dictates how big an idiot they are. To make a mistake is one thing. To purposely do something that is wrong for the fun of it is another. I've never done drugs in my life, so are you saying that I don't exist?

-S

[PeriscopeDepth]

We need someone that doesn't screw up at all.
That person has never existed and would not be a member of the human race if he did.

Furthermore anyone purporting to have never made a mistake is a liar. I've never done drugs in my life, so are you saying that I don't exist?

-S
:o

But you constantly post about beer??? Not that I mind, though.

PD

[SUBMAN1]

:o

But you constantly post about beer??? Not that I mind, though.

PDIn that respect, air is a drug. Funny how you compare alc to cocaine though. I can see where your morals lie.

-S

[PeriscopeDepth]

:o

But you constantly post about beer??? Not that I mind, though.

PDIn that respect, air is a drug. Funny how you compare alc to cocaine though. I can see where your morals lie.

-S Not really. They are both psychoactive drugs (alcohol and cocaine). Though cocaine is more destructive.

And no, you can't see where my morals lie.

PD

[SUBMAN1]

Not really. They are both psychoactive drugs (alcohol and cocaine). Though cocaine is more destructive.

And no, you can't see where my morals lie.

PDAnyone drawing a conclusion from your post shows that you think they are no different? Sorry, don't buy that! :D

-S

[August]

We need someone that doesn't screw up at all.
That person has never existed and would not be a member of the human race if he did.

Furthermore anyone purporting to have never made a mistake is a liar.True, but the size of ones mistakes dictates how big an idiot they are. To make a mistake is one thing. To purposely do something that is wrong for the fun of it is another. I've never done drugs in my life, so are you saying that I don't exist?

Doesn't have to be drugs Subman, I'll bet that you've done a thing or two in your life that you are not proud of.

[August]

Anyone drawing a conclusion from your post shows that you think they are no different? Sorry, don't buy that! :D

-S

And people reading your post would think you believe alcohol isn't a dangerous drug as well, but the body count and broken lives over the years proves you wrong.

[SUBMAN1]

Anyone drawing a conclusion from your post shows that you think they are no different? Sorry, don't buy that! :D

-S
And people reading your post would think you believe alcohol isn't a dangerous drug as well, but the body count and broken lives over the years proves you wrong.Compare that to something illegal like Cocaine or Meth or Harroine. Apples and Oranges.

-S

[SUBMAN1]

Doesn't have to be drugs Subman, I'll bet that you've done a thing or two in your life that you are not proud of.Lets put it this way - i have made my mistakes, but I never did anything illegal unless you count a speeding ticket.

I don't support people that do illegal activities. Period. If someone snorted coke, they should pay for their crime. Period.

Lots of bleeding hearts here today for illegal activities. Why have laws at all?

-S

[Sailor Steve]

Alcohol was legal. Then it was illegal. Then it was legal again.

People use government to make things they don't like illegal. That doesn't necessarily make them wrong. People also use government to make things they want legal. That doesn't necessarily make them right. It's not apple and oranges - either you have freedom or you don't.

[Platapus]

I call dibs on the seat up front!

This is gonna be good

Popcorn? Check

Diet Coke? Check

Proceed gentlemen :cool:

[August]

Doesn't have to be drugs Subman, I'll bet that you've done a thing or two in your life that you are not proud of.Lets put it this way - i have made my mistakes, but I never did anything illegal unless you count a speeding ticket.

I don't support people that do illegal activities. Period. If someone snorted coke, they should pay for their crime. Period.

Lots of bleeding hearts here today for illegal activities. Why have laws at all?

-S

Bleeding hearts? George Bush also snorted cocaine in his younger days. He was quite the drunk as well. Are you saying that i should have voted for Algore or John Kerry because of that?

Oh and yeah a speeding ticket certainly does count in this discussion of inhuman perfection. You knowingly broke the law and put other peoples lives and property at risk. The result could have been far worse than some youthful experimentation with drugs.

[Enigma]

Screw someone who screws up and can then get back on track. Wrong person to hold the office.


An accurate portrait of the sitting President.

[PeriscopeDepth]

Not really. They are both psychoactive drugs (alcohol and cocaine). Though cocaine is more destructive.

And no, you can't see where my morals lie.

PDAnyone drawing a conclusion from your post shows that you think they are no different? Sorry, don't buy that! :D

-S
"Though cocaine is more destructive." Obviously I do think they are different. Alcohol and cocaine are both drugs. Period. Dot. That doesn't make them the same, but that is what they are. So is caffeine.

You sure do think a lot of yourself, though SUBMAN. To the point where you think anybody who thinks different is wrong.

PD

[Reece]

We need someone that doesn't screw up at all. I would like to step forward but modesty forbids!:yep:

[Platapus]

I thought I made a mistake once, but I was wrong :)

[Reece]

I thought I made a mistake once, but I was wrong :)
Fonzie eat your heart out!:lol:

[Konovalov]

Uhhh! Speechless! He has said many times before that he has never had any ties to Muslims and grew up a Christian. How come he is in Muslim dress here in 1985????

-S
Actually I'm speechless at your utter stupidiy and ignorance of my religion. "Muslim dress". What a load of bunk. Astaghfurallah. Pease give up with the blatant lies that have been debunked many times. :roll:

[Konovalov]

Wether or not trying this myth time and again is a dirty trick played by politically active campaigners, or posters, or both, i leave to the creative imagination of every individual.

Both. It appears to be a speciality of Subman. What's on on the menu today. Just the same old same old posts of unsubstantiated fear and smear. :down:

[Skybird]

Wether or not trying this myth time and again is a dirty trick played by politically active campaigners, or posters, or both, i leave to the creative imagination of every individual.
Both. It appears to be a speciality of Subman. What's on on the menu today. Just the same old same old posts of unsubstantiated fear and smear. :down:
True. Noted the same regarding the "same old same old" climate myths, too.
No wonder I switched him off. It reminded me too much of the yelling headlines of the yellow press.

[Tchocky]

In one group conducted on behalf of the University of Pennsylvania's Annenberg Public Policy Center (http://www.annenbergpublicpolicycenter.org/), seven out of 12 independent Virginia voters taking part said they thought Obama was a Muslim

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2008/06/20/obama/index.html

[Konovalov]

In one group conducted on behalf of the University of Pennsylvania's Annenberg Public Policy Center (http://www.annenbergpublicpolicycenter.org/), seven out of 12 independent Virginia voters taking part said they thought Obama was a Muslim

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2008/06/20/obama/index.html
Sad really isn't it? From the beginning of the article you linked to this line pretty much sums up this thread started by Subman and indeed the grossly erroneous title of the topic. :down:

-- yet misinformation is still running rampant across the Internet.

[SUBMAN1]

Seems you guys can't take reality when its put in front of you. Pretty funny actually. The site, what is it, the daniel site that is posted here twice has overwhelming evidence that is undeniable. I see you can't read anything without blinders on though.

If you recall, i used to go around saying Obama wasn't a Muslim either, but at least I have a brain that can see things for what they really are, unlike some people in this thread.

SB a classic - Obama stands for probably everything you hate, yet you even have blinders on! Its friggen hilarious! :D :lol: :rotfl: The only reason your blinders are on is that he is a democrat! Double standards still fly out of you like flies on sh*t.

And if you blocked me, why are you replying in my threads? Go away already!

-S

PS. This says it best - “Liberals occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing ever happened.”

[Takeda Shingen]

And since everyone has had their chance to retort, I think that we'll call this halftime.

Thread will be locked for a mandatory 24-hour cool-down period. it will re-open tomorrow at 1700 GMT.

EDIT: The thread is open. Keep it civil, and away from name-calling. The next lock will be permanent.

The Management

[NEON DEON]

PS. This says it best - “Liberals occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing ever happened.”

You can say the same for the far right.

Obama was born a muslim. Okay. So what.

BTW.

Muslims are not excluded from running for President.

[Stealth Hunter]

“Liberals occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing ever happened.”

Republicans and Conservatives are as capable of coming up with great ideas and moving this country along as anyone - they just don't do it.

[Platapus]

Would it do any good to point out that Republicans and Democrats in the country are all on the same side?

While our (United States) political system involves adversarial political parties, All represent Americans.

Whether you are a:

Liberal Republican
Conservative Republican
Liberal Democrat
Conservative Democrat
(or none of the above)

We all want the same things in general. The priorities may change and the methodology of implementation may change. But we are all on the same side -- the American side.

I really wish people would stop dividing this country by using words that divide and exclude instead of unite and include.

People here, and on other forums, use the term "the liberals" As in the liberals think xxx. Or "the right" wants YYY.

People don't recognize that there are liberal Republicans, liberal Democrats, and liberal Independents. The same combinations exist for Conservatives and for any other political category. All of them don't think a like. Liberals disagree with each other just like conservatives. Even liberals in the Republican party disagree with other liberals in the Republican party.

In this country, we will always have political disagreements. That is the very nature of our adversarial system. But it is OK to disagree and still respect the side you are disagreeing with.

But over the past 20 years a societal cancer has been growing in our country. Adversarial political opinion has taken the appearance of hatred. Subsim is actually one of the better behaved political discussion boards (thank you moderators!), but even here there is division and extremism.

It is great to disagree. Academic debate is what made this and other countries great. But there is no need to demonize the side you disagree with.

This country is full of really good people. Most of them would disagree with you on many issues. That does not make them any less valuable as citizens. It means that our country is populated by humans; a very complex and complicated species indeed.

In this country whether someone is Republican, Democrat, or something else; whether they are Liberal, Conservative, or something else; we are all Americans and on the American side. It is so important to remember this.

We can be united despite our differences. In fact we must if we are to survive as a society.

United there is nothing we can't do, divided there is little we can do.

(sorry for the bombastic pedantics. I am just taking a break from writing yet another political analyst paper. I see in the United States what has happened in past societies. Internal divisiveness is how great societies fail not wars.)

[Stealth Hunter]

United there is nothing we can't do, divided there is little we can do.


We can't completely destroy the religious groups and dominate the world with a pure Atheist society hell-bent on the advancement of human knowledge and research into various fields of science... a man can dream, though... a man can dream...:smug:

And even if the three political branches were united (that's including the Independents), we'd still have a lot of problems solving problems given the fact that people naturally don't agree with on another... they tend not to, anyway.

Back on topic, though, church and state must be separated in all fields if we intend to pass ourselves off as a free country.

[August]

...a pure Atheist society hell-bent...
Interesting choice of words there SH! :D

[SUBMAN1]

...a pure Atheist society hell-bent...
Interesting choice of words there SH! :DPretty much sums it up! It is interesting and true.

You can say the same for the far right. Show me an example.

-S

[Foxtrot]

No Obama is an alien

Seriously, Democrats and Republicans are the same. Their election campaigns are funded by corporates, and these clowns are rick business men who talk about ordinary folks while enjoying the all luxury they can get. Heck, even their retirement plans are well paid.

[Kapitan_Phillips]

Again, who cares if he is or isnt? What, you think he's going to go "JIHAD!" when he gets into office?

[Letum]

Again, who cares if he is or isnt? What, you think he's going to go "JIHAD!" when he gets into office?

Don't you know that everyone born a Muslim is evil and is trying to kill everyone and steal our oil.

FACTZ!

[Kapitan_Phillips]

Again, who cares if he is or isnt? What, you think he's going to go "JIHAD!" when he gets into office?
Don't you know that everyone born a Muslim is evil and is trying to kill everyone and steal our oil.

FACTZ!

Christ Letum, I go on a hiatus a while and come back to agree with your actual point :o

[Letum]

Again, who cares if he is or isnt? What, you think he's going to go "JIHAD!" when he gets into office?
Don't you know that everyone born a Muslim is evil and is trying to kill everyone and steal our oil.

FACTZ!
Christ Letum, I go on a hiatus a while and come back to agree with your actual point :o

Hmmm....now do your agree with my words naively, or do you agree with the point
between the lines?
They are each very different.

[August]

Hmmm....now do your agree with my words naively, or do you agree with the point
between the lines?
They are each very different.

That's not a very nice thing to say to someone who is agreeing with you... :lol:

[Letum]

Hmmm....now do your agree with my words naively, or do you agree with the point
between the lines?
They are each very different.
That's not a very nice thing to say to someone who is agreeing with you... :lol:

It's genuine.
I'm sure there are people on this forum who would agree with both.

[Stealth Hunter]

No Obama is an alien

Seriously, Democrats and Republicans are the same. Their election campaigns are funded by corporates, and these clowns are rick business men who talk about ordinary folks while enjoying the all luxury they can get. Heck, even their retirement plans are well paid.

So he IS from Saturn! I knew it!:rotfl:

[NEON DEON]

No Obama is an alien

Seriously, Democrats and Republicans are the same. Their election campaigns are funded by corporates, and these clowns are rick business men who talk about ordinary folks while enjoying the all luxury they can get. Heck, even their retirement plans are well paid.

So he IS from Saturn! I knew it!:rotfl:

I am not so sure General Motors will own up to that.:88)

[Stealth Hunter]

Bah, all the big corporations with their wealth can feel free to burn in hell whenever they want... rich, pompous bastards...

[Skybird]

Bah, all the big corporations with their wealth can feel free to burn in hell whenever they want... rich, pompous bastards...
Nicely put! :D

[Platapus]

Bah, all the big corporations with their wealth can feel free to burn in hell whenever they want... rich, pompous bastards...

Yes but how many of us have mutual funds, pension funds, retirement funds that are linked to these rich, pompous bastards?

[Skybird]

Bah, all the big corporations with their wealth can feel free to burn in hell whenever they want... rich, pompous bastards...

Yes but how many of us have mutual funds, pension funds, retirement funds that are linked to these rich, pompous bastards?

If you think that will function much longer, I tell you you are in for a very bad surprise. You can already see the signs if looking for them.

If I remember correctly, you are from Germany like me, so this read may not be a problem:
http://www.welt.de/wirtschaft/article2133531/Warum_unser_Planet_auf_totales_Chaos_zusteuert.htm l

I know that old book by him. It is a brilliant analysis. And horrifying.

[asanovic7]

If the starter of this thread feels better by thinking that is being ... .. .. .. by white christian John McCain is better than .... .. . . by black muslim Obama that is really a "smart" way of thinking..

Just I don't want to read the whole thread, so please explain where lies the difference? :rotfl: In the colour of the skin?? Wow.. :rotfl:

Ah, Americans, always the rascist issue there. They have one third of nation not even speaking english and still they are making racial issues everywhere.. :rotfl: Anytime.. But I think in this issue there is a different racial issue starter.
The question is IMO, who is more frightened, white americans(not really seems to me) or Israel( if you prefer Jews)? And please, just because much of the world is rasistic, that doesn't mean I said Jews in a rasistic view, or that I am a rasist(and holocaust was 70 years ago, so don't "antisemiteze" me). :know: I just feel those poor Palestinians really suffered too much. To live in a world where people die of hunger, that I can bear with much better(watching those tv commercials is really cool) than to live in a world where little children from age 1 live and train and die just to defend themselves and to kill another man, preferably Israeli soldier raping and killing. So, will USA support Israel with nuclear bombs and weapons much more with Obama or nothing at all, is really an important issue? Or I must be mistaken.
Anyways, I cheer for Obama, he could make americans the way they should be.

Cheers!

[Skybird]

Asanovich, I really must say that by he general tone of your often haughty-sounding postings you most likely will not make yourself any new friends here. It is not what you say, everyone is free to have his opinion - it is about how you say it. Try to be a bit less flamatory and commit yourself a bit more to general rules of ordinary politeness, and all will be fine, okay?! Or do you allow the starter of this thread (about whom you just were vwondering) to be the example you follow?

[asanovic7]

Just read the first page of the thread, skybirdie. And subman has a point.. Obama did lie..
Ordinary politeness gets people killed.. :cry:

Inflammable :rotfl:

Cheers!

[Takeda Shingen]

Ordinary politeness keeps people out of the brig.

The Management

[asanovic7]

Put me in a cell that has a view to the sea..
:rotfl: