Saudis to pump oil at record levels

[SUBMAN1]

Hopefully I can pull up and pump gas from now on without a hundred $ bill handy.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/saudi-king-we-will-pump-more-oil-847830.html

-S

[Blacklight]

....and the price of gass will probably still go up. :nope:

[Officerpuppy]

Wonder if Mars has oil, forget finding traces of water, lets send up a drill and start drilling :rotfl:

[SUBMAN1]

Wonder if Mars has oil, forget finding traces of water, lets send up a drill and start drilling :rotfl:You would need evidence of past life first. Where do you think oil comes from?

-S

[JetSnake]

If the Ghawar oil field is on the decline like many peak-oil apologists claim, wouldn't this be counter-intuitive for the Saudi family?

[baggygreen]

the fact that they're increasing output to lower prices to maintain demand suggests to me that there is still a helluva lot more oil out there to be tapped... lets face it the saudis wouldnt be doing something if it wasnt in their longterm interests...

[joegrundman]

but you do not know what political pressure and horse trading is going on to make it in SA's interest

[PeriscopeDepth]

The Saudis are our bestest friends ever.

PD

[Skybird]

but you do not know what political pressure and horse trading is going on to make it in SA's interest
exactly. This is a stratgeic decision of theirs. Politic strategies do not allow to make conclusion on physical state of things. It is in the best interest of short-termed profiteers to make people believe there is plenty of oil left, and it pays off to still invest into oil-consuming cars, oilconsuming energy production etc. Else people would turn towards alternatives, oil-depending cars and oil depending energy production wopuld decline - and by that oil-sales would drop overproportionally.

sometimes you are low on ammo but fire almost all of it at your enemy - to make him believe you have plenty of it left that you can afford to waste it.

[TDK1044]

While I accept that we need to be actively looking to replace oil as a fuel resource over the next 20 years, to continue to get the vast majority of our oil from the Middle East makes no sense at all.

With China and India placing ever increasing demands on the worlds oil supply as they grow as industrial Countries, you don't need to be a mathematician to see what will happen to the price of oil over the next 20 years.

The irony is that here in the US, we have several options which would solve our oil problem until an alternate fuel source is decided upon.

One solution would be drilling off the coast of Florida. Most experts agree that there is enough oil there to sustain our needs for about 30 years. The same is true for Anwar. By one federal estimate, the refuge holds more than 4 billion barrels of oil ready for the taking. The USA consumes roughly 20 million barrels of oil a day.

The argument against drilling in Anwar has been the disruption to wildlife. Yet we're talking about drilling in an area the size of a large city, when the Anwar region is the size of three States.

I think Americans have to ease up about things like not wanting to see oil rigs off the Florida coast as an excuse for not drilling there. If we want to continue to drive what we want when we want then there is a price to pay for that luxury.

[jumpy]

Hopefully I can pull up and pump gas from now on without a hundred $ bill handy.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/saudi-king-we-will-pump-more-oil-847830.html

-S
...meanwhile in the UK, gordon brown thinks this the perfect respite to go ahead with the 2ppl increase in fuel duty early, originally planned for october...

I put £30.00 of diesel in at the pump on saturday. Would anyone hazzard a guess as to how many litres that put into my tank?






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20 litres.

[AVGWarhawk]

The price will not go down. They have seen we will pay these inflated prices so why change anything?

[Officerpuppy]

Wonder if Mars has oil, forget finding traces of water, lets send up a drill and start drilling :rotfl:You would need evidence of past life first. Where do you think oil comes from?

-S

I forgot :damn:
Ah well, its about time we moved away from fossil fuels anyway, that stuff won't last forever.

[Schroeder]

...meanwhile in the UK, gordon brown thinks this the perfect respite to go ahead with the 2ppl increase in fuel duty early, originally planned for october...

I put £30.00 of diesel in at the pump on saturday. Would anyone hazzard a guess as to how many litres that put into my tank?
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20 litres.

Britain has the highest tax on petrol on this planet AFAIK.:nope: They really exaggerate it.
Here we are paying about 1.50€ (ca. 2.31$ / 1,18 £) per litre now (changes daily).:roll:

[SUBMAN1]

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With China and India placing ever increasing demands on the worlds oil supply as they grow as industrial Countries, you don't need to be a mathematician to see what will happen to the price of oil over the next 20 years....
You know what the worlds rate of growth for oil consumption has been yearly for the last 30 years? About 1%. This includes China, India, the US, Europe, You name it. This is why I despise the media attempts to say that all the sudden China is using way way way more fuel! BS! Nothing has changed. What you are listening to is speculators. They are hyping the cost of oil again.

And yes, its in the Saudi's best interest to pump massive oil - They are getting top dollar for it right now! I'd turn it up too! Got a get it while its hot!

-S

[fatty]

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With China and India placing ever increasing demands on the worlds oil supply as they grow as industrial Countries, you don't need to be a mathematician to see what will happen to the price of oil over the next 20 years....
You know what the worlds rate of growth for oil consumption has been yearly for the last 30 years? About 1%. This includes China, India, the US, Europe, You name it. This is why I despise the media attempts to say that all the sudden China is using way way way more fuel! BS! Nothing has changed. What you are listening to is speculators. They are hyping the cost of oil again.

Huh? Since the start of 2008 in China alone, refined oil products and crude oil imports are up 17% and 12% respectively.

[PeriscopeDepth]

From the US government's Energy Information Administration:
Together with strong economic growth, China’s demand for energy is surging rapidly.

PD

[SUBMAN1]

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With China and India placing ever increasing demands on the worlds oil supply as they grow as industrial Countries, you don't need to be a mathematician to see what will happen to the price of oil over the next 20 years....
You know what the worlds rate of growth for oil consumption has been yearly for the last 30 years? About 1%. This includes China, India, the US, Europe, You name it. This is why I despise the media attempts to say that all the sudden China is using way way way more fuel! BS! Nothing has changed. What you are listening to is speculators. They are hyping the cost of oil again.
Huh? Since the start of 2008 in China alone, refined oil products and crude oil imports are up 17% and 12% respectively.Maybe, but i am speaking from a 'world' level. 17% in China still represents a small number worldwide. Maybe in 20 years, it will be different, but for now...

In the 2004 World Energy Outlook the International Energy Agency, IEA, forecast that the increase in oil consumption would be 1,6% for the next 25 years requiring oil production of 123 mbpd in year 2030.
Oops! I'm 0.6% off. My memory banks must be failing me since I'm usually right on the money! Anyway, now you have the 'real' number and not the media hyped version. No one turned on a spiggot and is consuming all the oil like they want you to believe.

-S

[PeriscopeDepth]

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With China and India placing ever increasing demands on the worlds oil supply as they grow as industrial Countries, you don't need to be a mathematician to see what will happen to the price of oil over the next 20 years....
You know what the worlds rate of growth for oil consumption has been yearly for the last 30 years? About 1%. This includes China, India, the US, Europe, You name it. This is why I despise the media attempts to say that all the sudden China is using way way way more fuel! BS! Nothing has changed. What you are listening to is speculators. They are hyping the cost of oil again.
Huh? Since the start of 2008 in China alone, refined oil products and crude oil imports are up 17% and 12% respectively.Maybe, but i am speaking from a 'world' level. 17% in China still represents a small number worldwide. Maybe in 20 years, it will be different, but for now...

-S That site I quoted from also said 38% of future demand growth worldwide will be Chinese. That is not small at all.

PD

[SUBMAN1]

That site I quoted from also said 38% of future demand growth worldwide will be Chinese. That is not small at all.

PDSee my edited above post. By the way, i see 17% increase in America's use as enormous. China and a 17% increase is no where close to the same scale. That is what I mean.

-S

[MothBalls]

What you are listening to is speculators. They are hyping the cost of oil again.

Exactly. It's the trading system in general that is causing this, especially in the US.

First they ran up the tech bubble, overinflated everything, and caused a disaster. Then they did the same thing to the credit/housing markets. Now they are working over the energy sector. I wouldn't be surprised to see the energy "bubble" pop in the near future.

Question is, what market sector will they assault next?

[PeriscopeDepth]

That site I quoted from also said 38% of future demand growth worldwide will be Chinese. That is not small at all.

PDSee my edited above post. By the way, i see 17% increase in America's use as enormous. China and a 17% increase is no where close to the same scale. That is what I mean.

-S You hear what you want to hear.

They have revised it to 1.8%. And that figure is an ANNUAL increase. See these two documents:
http://www.iea.org/Textbase/npsum/WEO2007SUM.pdf
http://www.iea.org/textbase/papers/2007/fs_china.pdf

Some selected points:
-Shortly after 2010, China will surpass the United States as the largest energy consumer.
- Around 2015, more new vehicle sales will occur in China than the United States.
- Energy demand will have grown some 55% worldwide by 2030.
- Before 2025, India will overtake Japan as the third largest importer of oil.

Also, keep in mind, these were written when $75/barrel was considered "relatively high".

PD

[SUBMAN1]

You hear what you want to hear.

They have revised it to 1.8%. And that figure is an ANNUAL increase. See these two documents:
http://www.iea.org/Textbase/npsum/WEO2007SUM.pdf
http://www.iea.org/textbase/papers/2007/fs_china.pdf

Some selected points:
-Shortly after 2010, China will surpass the United States as the largest energy consumer.
- Around 2015, more new vehicle sales will occur in China than the United States.
- Energy demand will have grown some 55% by 2030.
- Before 2025, India will overtake Japan as the third largest importer of oil.

Also, keep in mind, these were written when $75/barrel was considered "relatively high".

PD1.8% is still, less than 2% a year. Still though, you are right. If what you are saying is true, then China is not as 'small' as I envisioned. Thanks for the info.

-S

[PeriscopeDepth]

You hear what you want to hear.

They have revised it to 1.8%. And that figure is an ANNUAL increase. See these two documents:
http://www.iea.org/Textbase/npsum/WEO2007SUM.pdf
http://www.iea.org/textbase/papers/2007/fs_china.pdf

Some selected points:
-Shortly after 2010, China will surpass the United States as the largest energy consumer.
- Around 2015, more new vehicle sales will occur in China than the United States.
- Energy demand will have grown some 55% by 2030.
- Before 2025, India will overtake Japan as the third largest importer of oil.

Also, keep in mind, these were written when $75/barrel was considered "relatively high".

PD1.8% is still, less than 2% a year. Still though, you are right. If what you are saying is true, then China is not as 'small' as I envisioned. Thanks for the info.

-S They are rapidly becoming less "slave labor peasant economy". And when you have a population four times the size of the US that is going to want to own a car the same way US families do now (not to mention other energy demands)... If people think Iraq right now is bad, there are some wicked things to come.

PD

[Blacklight]

The Saudis are our bestest friends ever.

PD

:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

Seriously. I don't expect the prices to change at all except to go further up. They're going to milk the price gouging as much as they can... and they can milk it quite a bit given a lot of countries' absolute dependence on oil like here in the US. They're going to continue to gouge and gouge.... And get richer and richer..:nope:

[Stealth Hunter]

Wonder if Mars has oil, forget finding traces of water, lets send up a drill and start drilling :rotfl:

You can bet your life they would if they did find that it had oil.:roll:

[SUBMAN1]

Wonder if Mars has oil, forget finding traces of water, lets send up a drill and start drilling :rotfl:
You can bet your life they would if they did find that it had oil.:roll:Lets see! Nope! Doubt it! return on investment sucks big time! Especially since coal to gasoline can be made for $50 a barrel, and we have enough of it to make gas for the next 250 years!

Now if the place were litttered with heavy metals like gold and platinum, or Uranium, might be a different story.

-S

[Skybird]

The same is true for Anwar. By one federal estimate, the refuge holds more than 4 billion barrels of oil ready for the taking. The USA consumes roughly 20 million barrels of oil a day.

4 billion (reservoir) divided by 20 million (consummation per day) is 200 days.

The argument against drilling in Anwar has been the disruption to wildlife. Yet we're talking about drilling in an area the size of a large city, when the Anwar region is the size of three States.
And we already have seen repeatedly what damage one tanker alone can do to an area as big as half a state. Biotopes are compley and sensitively balanced systems that do not need catastrophic impacts but small ticks to the baance in order to already disbalance the system. Now, I do not want to say anything pro or contra Anwar drilling, since I do not know it, I just want to show that your argument for Anwar is not really helpful.

I think Americans have to ease up about things like not wanting to see oil rigs off the Florida coast as an excuse for not drilling there. If we want to continue to drive what we want when we want then there is a price to pay for that luxury.

The problem is that oil fields are not being sucked empty until no drop is left, because there is a threshhold beyond which it is no more profitable for companies to suck out the oil from the earth. The less oil there is, the more difficult it becomes, and the more investements and technological efforts must be taken to win less and lesser oil. For many fields in the world, this treshhold level is around 30-50%. I am simplifying, but it is not that there are only subterranean caves filled with an ocean of liquid oil, only some part of an oil field is made of this. The greater part of the substance is stored inside sediments and porous rock holding it like a stone-sponge. you can imagine the difference when remembering the difference between drinking a glass of water with a straw, and needing to suck it out with effort from a piece of hard rubber-sponge, or needing to suck it out of a hard fruit. to get the most out of it, you sooner than later need technical kitchen helpers, fi you do not want to eat the fruit all together . When the most obvious reservoir of liquid oil is being sucked out, then it becomes difficult and less and lesser profitable to suck out the remaining oil hidden in the seidment and porous rock. Theoretically, there is plenty of oil left. but our economic system currently is not equipped for getting it, from an economical/financial perspective, because the investements are higher than the profits. That's the reason why many fields are given up when being depleted to around let's say 40-50%.

[SUBMAN1]

Skybird - they said the same things about the Alaskan pipeline - oh its gonna disrupt the wildlife! The end result is, the wildlife loves it since even the damn caribou's huddle up to the pipeline for warmth during the winter!

Biggest farce on the planet! Actually, I take that back, Global Warming is, but still.

And the oil there is probably much larger, but no one knows until they go take a look!

-S

[Ducimus]

Oil, shmoil, all i know is i wish this really existed:

http://www.futurehi.net/images/mrfusion.jpg

http://journeyhomeburke.files.wordpress.com/2007/08/mr-fusion.jpg

:rotfl: :rotfl:

Extra oil pumped? Won't do squat.

[FAdmiral]

Oil, shmoil, all i know is i wish this really existed:

http://www.futurehi.net/images/mrfusion.jpg

http://journeyhomeburke.files.wordpress.com/2007/08/mr-fusion.jpg

:rotfl: :rotfl:

Extra oil pumped? Won't do squat.

This may be a lot closer than anyone knows. Cold Fusion may have already been
discovered (look under the oil industry rug)

Here's another bit of info that is not being released to the general public????

"There may be more and better oil under the Dakotas then in the entire middle
east !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


JIM

[Blacklight]

I am simplifying, but it is not that there are only subterranean caves filled with an ocean of liquid oil, only some part of an oil field is made of this. The greater part of the substance is stored inside sediments and porous rock holding it like a stone-sponge. you can imagine the difference when remembering the difference between drinking a glass of water with a straw, and needing to suck it out with effort from a piece of hard rubber-sponge, or needing to suck it out of a hard fruit. to get the most out of it, you sooner than later need technical kitchen helpers, fi you do not want to eat the fruit all together .

Technically the way they handle the situation when the oil is in sediment and porous rock is not to suck it out. What they do is drill two holes and then pump water down one. The water seeps through the rock and because oil floats on top of the water, the water pushes the oil up through the seccond hole so they are actually replacing the oil field with a water field. It's actually a very efficient way to get the oil out.

[FIREWALL]

The Saudies are pumping something at record levels.:p

[Skybird]

I am simplifying, but it is not that there are only subterranean caves filled with an ocean of liquid oil, only some part of an oil field is made of this. The greater part of the substance is stored inside sediments and porous rock holding it like a stone-sponge. you can imagine the difference when remembering the difference between drinking a glass of water with a straw, and needing to suck it out with effort from a piece of hard rubber-sponge, or needing to suck it out of a hard fruit. to get the most out of it, you sooner than later need technical kitchen helpers, fi you do not want to eat the fruit all together .

Technically the way they handle the situation when the oil is in sediment and porous rock is not to suck it out. What they do is drill two holes and then pump water down one. The water seeps through the rock and because oil floats on top of the water, the water pushes the oil up through the seccond hole so they are actually replacing the oil field with a water field. It's actually a very efficient way to get the oil out.
Yes indeed, as I said, I was simplyfying. the problem is the pressure needed once the most obvious holes and caves are empty of oil. Like your blood pressure rises when your capillars tighten, it is with pil winning as well when you need to free it from the finer and finer granulated? porous? layers of sediment and rock.

If they would not pump water into the reservoirs, some emptied caves would simply collapse. Its comparable in stabilizing like flooding old mines.