Sailor Steve
06-15-08, 12:24 AM
As per Neals *request* I've started this new thread to continue the discussion with Subman1.
It's always entertaining when someone's 'proof' consists of claiming he's right and then trying to bait his opponent. Unfortunately, it detracts from both the argument itself and the credibility of the person doing it. Back to the real argument.
Incorrect. That is not where I got it from as you can see that your site is lacking additional data of 10K Latin and 9300 early version and 24K manuscripts. As I said, take any history class.
Not true. What 10,000 Latin and 9300 'early' (I assume you mean Greek) versions and "24k manuscripts" are you talking about? The site referring to manuscripts you can actually look at lists less that one hundred, and they are mainly partials. Please show a direct reference to the numbers you keep throwing at me. So far the only thing 'proven' is that you can make extravagant claims, without showing any actual documentation.
But of course you proved the 5300 Greek versions, religious website or not, on your own.
I've 'proved' nothing of the kind. That website makes the same claim, and he doesn't show any documentation either. So far it's all just hot air.
Now, if you look again at the second site I pointed you to, you'll see what the researcher there claims are ALL the extant manuscripts. There are nowhere near 5000, or even 500.
This might help get the numbers in order:
http://books.google.com/books?hl=en&id=JqlprHsZ-gMC&dq=New+testament+greek+manuscripts&printsec=frontcover&source=web&ots=rT_kk7YsDj&sig=wwE19bHSFSn_0pJV4vGYOWIUT4w&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=9&ct=result#PPP1,M1
Collaborating data, I love it!
If I keep this up, you'll prove the entire lot for me without lifting a finger on my end!
You haven't lifted a finger, you've just made wild claims; and I've proven nothing in your favor. Please show some actual evidence.
It's always entertaining when someone's 'proof' consists of claiming he's right and then trying to bait his opponent. Unfortunately, it detracts from both the argument itself and the credibility of the person doing it. Back to the real argument.
Incorrect. That is not where I got it from as you can see that your site is lacking additional data of 10K Latin and 9300 early version and 24K manuscripts. As I said, take any history class.
Not true. What 10,000 Latin and 9300 'early' (I assume you mean Greek) versions and "24k manuscripts" are you talking about? The site referring to manuscripts you can actually look at lists less that one hundred, and they are mainly partials. Please show a direct reference to the numbers you keep throwing at me. So far the only thing 'proven' is that you can make extravagant claims, without showing any actual documentation.
But of course you proved the 5300 Greek versions, religious website or not, on your own.
I've 'proved' nothing of the kind. That website makes the same claim, and he doesn't show any documentation either. So far it's all just hot air.
Now, if you look again at the second site I pointed you to, you'll see what the researcher there claims are ALL the extant manuscripts. There are nowhere near 5000, or even 500.
This might help get the numbers in order:
http://books.google.com/books?hl=en&id=JqlprHsZ-gMC&dq=New+testament+greek+manuscripts&printsec=frontcover&source=web&ots=rT_kk7YsDj&sig=wwE19bHSFSn_0pJV4vGYOWIUT4w&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=9&ct=result#PPP1,M1
Collaborating data, I love it!
If I keep this up, you'll prove the entire lot for me without lifting a finger on my end!
You haven't lifted a finger, you've just made wild claims; and I've proven nothing in your favor. Please show some actual evidence.