UK David Davis has resigned as an MP

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Shadow Home Secretary David Davis has resigned as an MP in protest at the erosion of civil liberties in Britain. Mr Davis led the conservative-party failed bid to defeat Government plans for 42-day detention without charge for terror suspects.

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MY WORD WE GOT A FORMER MP WHO CAN SEE THIS DIRTY LABOUR GOVERNMENT FOR WHAT IT IS. :up:

What a speech he gave against this 42 day detention and ID Cards along with the Database State which Labour want.

BTW Mr Gordon Brown you bought the DUP vote.

[joegrundman]

I'm not fully understanging what the RH David Davies intends to do.

Is he resigning from being an MP in order to force a by-election in which he will again stand for parliament?

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I'm not fully understanging what the RH David Davies intends to do.

Is he resigning from being an MP in order to force a by-election in which he will again stand for parliament?

It's a protest against our civil rights being taken away bit by bit thanks to this loony Labour government

CCTV all over the place
RFID in your rubbish bins
ID Cards on there way
Database state
and now this..............

He is taking a stand against this government that is going to far.

[August]

So he's protesting by giving up his power to oppose further loss of civil rights?

[joegrundman]

if he was actually giving up power to make a principled stand - that would be an act altogether greater than one has come to expect from politicians

but what he seems to be doing is saying he's giving up power which will force a by-election in his constituency. He intends to stand for re-election in this constituency, and seeing how his constituency is one of the safest Conservative seats in the country, he's extremely likely to win, and hence he will be an MP again more-or-less immediatley.

So it seems to me he's just performing some attention grabbing theatre. Still, it's original - gotta give him that.

But it also has to do with party politics

the conservatives by nature tend not to disagree with stronger security measures, but of course the conservatives are inclined to disagree with anything Labour does, especially now they have the scent of blood. So this is the dilemma the conservatives faced when labour tried to pass an unpopular bill to increase the anti-terrorist powers of the police.

So Cameron, the conservative leader, not wanting to be directly associated with a campaign to prevent the police having increased anti-terrorist powers, deputised the more-expendable David Davies to do it for him, on the understanding that this is a do-or-die mission.

Davies failed by 9 votes, so his future in the conservative party is essentially screwdalised.

Me thinks this is his last ditch defense, and the target audience is probably the conservative party, to make himself so popular that he can't be dropped by Cameron.

[jumpy]

here's what he had to say:

The name of my constituency is Haltemprice and Howden. The word Haltemprice is derived from the motto of a medieval priory, and in Old French it means "Noble Endeavour". I had always viewed membership of this House as a noble endeavour, not least because we and our forebears have for centuries fiercely defended the fundamental freedoms of our citizens. Or we did, up until yesterday.
Up until yesterday, I took the view that what we did in the House of Commons representing our constituents was a noble endeavour because with centuries or forebears we defended the freedoms of the British people. Well we did up until yesterday.
This Sunday is the anniversary of Magna Carta - the document that guarantees that most fundamental of British freedoms - Habeus Corpus.
The right not to be imprisoned by the state without charge or reason. Yesterday this house decided to allow the state to lock up potentially innocent British citizens for up to six weeks without charge.
Now the counter terrorism bill will in all probability be rejected by the House of Lords very firmly. After all, what should they be there for if not to defend Magna Carta.
But because the impetus behind this is essentially political - not security - the government will be tempted to use the Parliament Act to over-rule the Lords. It has no democratic mandate to do this since 42 days was not in its manifesto.
Its legal basis is uncertain to say the least. But purely for political reasons, this government's going to do that. And because the generic security arguments relied on will never go away - technology, development and complexity and so on, we'll next see 56 days, 70 days, 90 days.
But in truth, 42 days is just one - perhaps the most salient example - of the insidious, surreptitious and relentless erosion of fundamental British freedoms.
And we will have shortly, the most intrusive identity card system in the world.
A CCTV camera for every 14 citiziens, a DNA database bigger than any dictatorship has, with 1000s of innocent children and a million innocent citizens on it.
We have witnessed an assault on jury trials - that balwark against bad law and its arbitrary use by the state. Short cuts with our justice system that make our system neither firm not fair.
And the creation of a database state opening up our private lives to the prying eyes of official snoopers and exposing our personal data to careless civil servants and criminal hackers.
The state has security powers to clamp down on peaceful protest and so-called hate laws that stifle legitimate debate - while those who incite violence get off Scot free.
This cannot go on, it must be stopped. And for that reason, I feel that today it's incumbent on me to take a stand.
I will be resigning my membership of the House and I intend to force a by-election in Haltemprice and Howden.
Now I'll not fight it on the government's general record - there's no point repeating Crewe and Nantwich. I won't fight it on my personal record. I am just a piece in this great chess game.
I will fight it, I will argue this by-election, against the slow strangulation of fundamental British freedoms by this government.
Now, that may mean I've made my last speech to the House - it's possible. And of course that would be a matter of deep regret to me. But at least my electorate, and the nation as a whole, would have had the opportunity to debate and consider one of the most fundamental issues of our day - the ever-intrusive power of the state into our lives, the loss of privacy, the loss of freedom and the steady attrition undermining the rule of law.
And if they do send me back here it will be with a single, simple message: that the monstrosity of a law that we passed yesterday will not stand.
I think the following summs it up quite nicely:
Up until yesterday, I took the view that what we did in the House of Commons representing our constituents was a noble endeavour because with centuries or forebears we defended the freedoms of the British people. Well we did up until yesterday.

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I think the following summs it up quite nicely:

Up until yesterday, I took the view that what we did in the House of Commons representing our constituents was a noble endeavour because with centuries or forebears we defended the freedoms of the British people. Well we did up until yesterday.

Publicity stunt or not the fact is he is right. :yep:

Gordon Brown has crossed the line and will continual to go down the road taking more and more of our freedom away from us. :down:

[joegrundman]

Well whatever - looks like Labour won't even put up a candidate, and instead he'll be against the former Sun editor Kelvin MacKenzie

And the Conservative party is furious with him.

Hilarious!

[XabbaRus]

No I was reading David Cameron is ok with him doing this.
The conservatives generally like higher security eg defence, put in terms of personal liberties they are very pro those too.

For example, after WWII we still had ID cards under the labour govt. They were abolished by the next Tory govt.

It seems all that was said about Labour being tax and spend are coming true. Davis might have pulled a stunt as he is pretty certain to win but it makes the point and maybe people will wake up. Only thing is if that Sun twat stands then The Sun will be sure to make trouble. Thing is what does the Sun care, what does Murdoch gain from us having a 42 day detention limit?

[jumpy]

For example, after WWII we still had ID cards under the labour govt. They were abolished by the next Tory govt.
If I remember my history correctly, churchill was loathe to introduce ID cards in the first place, but wartime circumstance dictated that it wuld be prudent. All the same he hated the idea and promised to rescind the decision to have them when the war was over. He never got the chance though as he was not re-elected.

RE: murdoch - what does he stand to gain? loads of crappy comic newspapers sold as the proles snatch up the super dumbed down version of events fuelled by simple simon style headlines in that miserable rag. The only saving grace for the sun are the tits on page three; at least they don't pretend to be anything other than what they are...

[StdDev]

Wow....
Brit politics is so... so... Brit!
I think Mr. Davis' intentions are best explained here (http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/politics/politics-headlines/mp-does-something-other-than-being-a-dick-200806121019/)

[XabbaRus]

I was talking with a guy at work and he was thinking that what really happened is that Davis went to Cameron and said he was pissed off with the result, when we get in power we'll repeal it. Cameron said, "No we won't" Davis is pissed off at Cameron and so has decided to pull this stunt.

I can understand his arguments about the 42 day rule, but this does seem to achieve nothing.

[Hakahura]

A Politican taking a stand !?!?!

I need a drink!

Seriously, good on him. This issue needs even more attention drawing to it.
Also time to be grateful for the House of Lords.
Yes they're a bunch of unelected geriatric bed wetters,
But there's no way they'll let this one through.
It'll be sent back to the lower house in no time.
Then what deals will Brown have to do?
If he's still got a job there?

[Steel_Tomb]

Indeed, its already seen as a very hollow victory for brown, especially as he had to practicly "buy" it from other sources. If this gets chucked out of the Lords, not only will it make him look like a fool, but it will give the Tories even more ammunition, especially with Mr Davis' public "resignation" a few days ago. The only downside to this is that it is now the Conservatives which will be under the public glare, instead of Labour. Mr Brown must have been laughing his socks off when he heard the news about David Davis.

Another point, even though Davis is really not resigning, he is throwing away a very good position in any future cabinet by doing this. He has made a great career sacrafice to make a personal stand in what he genuinely believes in, that is a rare thing indeed in the world of politics. Therefore, he has my full support and good luck to him in the upcoming election.