View Full Version : Austria: Activists ask European human rights court to declare chimpanzee a 'person'
SUBMAN1
06-11-08, 04:23 PM
How far can we fall? Still believe my theories of Darwanism are wrong? More proof:
http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2008/05/21/europe/EU-GEN-Austria-Chimp-Challenge.php
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antikristuseke
06-11-08, 04:50 PM
How far can we fall? Still believe my theories of Darwanism are wrong? More proof:
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What does this have to do with Darwinism?
These nutcases are no better than the Westboro Baptist Church nutcases.
SUBMAN1
06-11-08, 04:57 PM
What does this have to do with Darwinism?
These nutcases are no better than the Westboro Baptist Church nutcases.Without Darwanism, these extreme nutcases wouldn't have elevated the chimp to human status. Or should I say, wouldn't have brought humans down to 'chimp' status.
I agree with a lot of Darwins theories, just that Darwanism taken to the extreme is what you are seeing here.
Just my two cents.
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Safe-Keeper
06-11-08, 06:32 PM
What does this have to do with Darwinism?Seeing "Darwinism" is a word created by the Creationists and can be defined as just about anything... it can have a lot to do with "Darwinism". And seeing that it's "PETA is a result of the ToE"-Subman1, I'm not surprised he reached this conclusion.
Subman1 is a thread spammer and an ignorant one to boot. He mustn't be taken seriously.
Wasn't there a topic about this a few months ago?
The spirit of wastegate lives on.
SUBMAN1
06-11-08, 07:03 PM
...The spirit of wastegate lives on.I'm sure it does. There are plenty of people this side of the pond that agree with what he had to say (most of it at least)! :D He was a pretty smart individual, and I do miss his comments.
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...The spirit of wastegate lives on.I'm sure it does. There are plenty of people this side of the pond that agree with what he had to say (most of it at least)! :D He was a pretty smart individual, and I do miss his comments.
I would say he was every bit as smart as you Subman. :up:
Perhaps thats something we can agree upon.
You know, since I added Subman to my ignore list I've really enjoyed his threads, I have to read through several posts until I've found enough quotes to confirm I'd never have read it anyway:D
You know, since I added Subman to my ignore list I've really enjoyed his threads, I have to read through several posts until I've found enough quotes to confirm I'd never have read it anyway:D
http://www.subcortex.com/ChimpNoEvil.jpg
Well it is Austria Subman...man do you live in the Dark Ages or what?....If a man wants to call his monkey equal and marry him what's wrong with that?...You Sicko Subman...come on ...join the party.
Too much...
"Save the trees, save the bees, save the whales, save those snails." (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eScDfYzMEEw)
For the Darwin drones...
PeriscopeDepth
06-12-08, 01:18 AM
Nobody here thinks that a monkey is an equal to a human being. Darwin drones? I'm also a Newton drone. I believe in all sorts of wacky theories.
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I have no doubt you do...more power to ya.
PeriscopeDepth
06-12-08, 01:35 AM
I have no doubt you do...more power to ya.
Does your post count still increase even with ZERO substance/argument and implying I'm a whack job? :nope:
It shouldn't, at least in the GT forum.
PD
Captain Vlad
06-12-08, 06:59 AM
Interesting that no one's even debating this.
Interesting that no one's even debating this.
I think everyone is in agreement about the article it's self. It hardly merits discussion.
"Person" is a legal definition, not a biological one, but it is a legal definition that only
applies to humans. End of story.
mrbeast
06-12-08, 07:46 AM
What does this have to do with Darwinism?
These nutcases are no better than the Westboro Baptist Church nutcases.Without Darwanism, these extreme nutcases wouldn't have elevated the chimp to human status. Or should I say, wouldn't have brought humans down to 'chimp' status.
I agree with a lot of Darwins theories, just that Darwanism taken to the extreme is what you are seeing here.
Just my two cents.
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Subman, again with the 'Anti-Darwinism' threads! As Safe-Keeper points out the 'Darwinism' that you are attacking doesn't exist, its a strawman set up by creationists to try and discredit evolution.
BTW, what would be so earth shatteringly terrible if Chimps did get Human rights (not to say that I agree that they should)?
"Person" is a legal definition, not a biological one, but it is a legal definition that only
applies to humans. End of story.
You mean like how marriage only applies to a union between man and woman, end of story?
In the UK they've been working as advisors to the government for decades:
http://whom.co.uk/squelch/ta34.jpg
HunterICX
06-12-08, 10:07 AM
How far can we fall?
http://img383.imageshack.us/img383/2656/picardnotagainanonibld8.jpg
deep...really deep
HunterICX
Stealth Hunter
06-12-08, 10:15 AM
You know, since I added Subman to my ignore list I've really enjoyed his threads, I have to read through several posts until I've found enough quotes to confirm I'd never have read it anyway:D
http://www.subcortex.com/ChimpNoEvil.jpg
http://media.pegasusnews.com/img/photos/2007/01/02/chimp_gun.JPG
Officerpuppy
06-12-08, 10:51 AM
The US legal system considers a corporation, a company or a trust a "person" so why not give it to the chimp :rotfl:
Lets just finish degnerateing the word "person" already if the courts will never fix it again :down:
"Person" is a legal definition, not a biological one, but it is a legal definition that only
applies to humans. End of story.
You mean like how marriage only applies to a union between man and woman, end of story?
Unless a country decides to allow gay marriage of course...
the difference here is that the chimp's advocates are not wanting to change the
definition (or at least that's not where the thrust of their argument is) instead they are
claiming that the chimp already has a person. Which it clearly does not.
I don't know why they are going down this route. There have to be easier ways to
set up trust funds etc. for the benefit of an ape, a car or anything else.
*Edit* Interestingly, in some countries such as Canada, some humans do not have a person.
Legal language is very different from everyday language! Many non-human things have persons
and many humans do not have a person.
SUBMAN1
06-12-08, 12:28 PM
You know, since I added Subman to my ignore list I've really enjoyed his threads, I have to read through several posts until I've found enough quotes to confirm I'd never have read it anyway:DI understand all this stuff is too complicated for you, and we wouldn't want you hurting your brain or anything, so yes, by all means, block me! :up:
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PS. This thread has been quite entertaining! I don't think I've laughed like this at any thread lately! Too funny!
PeriscopeDepth
06-12-08, 01:12 PM
My take on this entertaining thread:
OMG! OMG! People want to make chimps=humans. Daaaaamn you Darwin!
- But these people are obviously crazy. Believing Darwin's theory doesn't mean that chimps=humans.
Don't you see! People are using Darwin to forward their agenda for chimp equality. The dark ages are coming back.
- But again, they are not. This is a bunch of crazies. Darwin or his followers do not advocate any sort of human-chimp equality.
If you love chimps so much, why don't you marry one!
- http://www.virginmedia.com/images/gruesome_scanners_431x300.jpg
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Captain Vlad
06-12-08, 01:53 PM
Hmmm. I could actually see a case made for the 'sentience' of great apes, considering their intelligence and their ability to learn, if taught, non-verbal human languages.
They're obviously not human of course, but it's a fun question: Are they 'aware' enough that rights normally reserved for humans might be extended to them?
Damn Dirty Apes (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRG6ahCs_t0)....jk I believe me I understand people are just trying to help here...but you must admit things nowadays are getting a little silly.
i didn't saw they wanted to earn the human status for him they want him to be recognized as a person so that the money gifts necessary to its subsitence could still be dispached to him in case the people which are taking care of him couldn't do it anymore . this animal (the chimp) has been intercepted as a baby while he was marked out for pharmacetical experiment i think giving the opportunity to have an happy end of life won't be an injustice . in France and in Europe i hear increasingly scientists saying humans are primates personnaly i received a quite strict evangelical education and even for me its difficult to admit but somewhere i think they aren't wrong when you watch chimps hands chimps feet chimps arms the resemblance is disturbing
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