your favorite

[Kapitan]

ok im bored so i want to see what people think about this and reasons why

What is your favorite russian boomer (SSBN) of all time?

For me its the yankee reason is its the forst soviet submarine to ever be able to fire SLBM's and also it was the first real platform to show the west that the russians could do just as good, even though technically superior western boats could track it in its later days the yankee although somewhat small for a SSBN (a russian one atleast) it still proved the russians could build a unit en par with the benjamin franklin and ethan allen classes (ie the principle of submerged launching of missiles)

Yes true the soviets had a good hand when they launched the Novembers with thier revolutionary hulls speed diving capibility but i see them as not alot better than an attack boat used to attack surface units, the american subs had far better tech inside them and could detect novembers miles off.

I have always loved SSBN's particularly the yankee not overly keen on the new borey the typhoon or deltas to be honest, most people when you mention russian submarine the hunt for red october comes to mind and also the typhoon as it is the biggest submarine in the world.

I find the yankee more of a laid back unit a unit brought in to try and equal the ballence between the soviet union and the USA and to have one of them still serving in the russian navy is remarkable since the first unit was launched in 1969!

[SUBMAN1]

How could anyone bother to vote for anything other than the monster itself? Typhoon even comes equipped with a hot tub! Come on already!

Besides, us Americans all have the Typhoon permanently stuck in our heads after having great movies like 'The Hunt For Red October' around.

-S

[STEED]

How could anyone bother to vote for anything other than the monster itself? Typhoon even comes equipped with a hot tub! Come on already!

Besides, us Americans all have the Typhoon permanently stuck in our heads after having great movies like 'The Hunt For Red October' around.

-S

HOT TUB! :huh:

Where is my rubber duck? Got it, I'm already there.

Areeeeeeeeeee. :sunny:

[TLAM Strike]

The Golf! :rock:

DBF! :p

[Oberon]

The 'phoon is definately one of my favourites, but I also like the humpback look of the Delta IV and I have a soft spot for the Yankees after reading through 'Hostile Waters'. :)

[SUBMAN1]

I see we have some phoon defectors though! Come back to the light side! Anything but the phoon is the Dark Side!

-S

[nikimcbee]

How could anyone bother to vote for anything other than the monster itself? Typhoon even comes equipped with a hot tub! Come on already!

Besides, us Americans all have the Typhoon permanently stuck in our heads after having great movies like 'The Hunt For Red October' around.

-S

Ditto, plus all those 1980's Soviet Weapons books always freeked out over the monster.

[nikimcbee]

How could anyone bother to vote for anything other than the monster itself? Typhoon even comes equipped with a hot tub! Come on already!

Besides, us Americans all have the Typhoon permanently stuck in our heads after having great movies like 'The Hunt For Red October' around.

-S

Ditto, plus all those 1980's Soviet Weapons books always freeked out over the monster.

This is what I'm talking about:
http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.fas.org/irp/dia/product/smp_85.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.fas.org/irp/dia/product/smp_85_ch2.htm&h=349&w=570&sz=27&hl=en&start=1&um=1&tbnid=gFpka_lGdKBo1M:&tbnh=82&tbnw=134&prev=/images%3Fq%3DSoviet%2Bmilitary%2Bpower,%2B1985,%26 um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DG

[rifleman13]

Fear the Typhoon, capitalist scum...:arrgh!:
because I'm near your coasts...:arrgh!:

READY TO DEFECT!:up:

[HunterICX]

Typhoon class,

it just looks mean :cool:

HunterICX

[kiwi_2005]

Ive always liked the Kilo. Boomers just too big for my liking.

[peterloo]

Typhoon of course :up:

Gigantic, with a swimming pool (if I'm right), I must say that working with it is somewhat a luxury rather than a tedious task. Furthermore, the endurence, the power of it, and its lovely 20 missile silos housing 20 R-39 SLBMs, it would be difinitely fun to drive it

I don't wanna drive that Borei class or the earlier SSBNs like Delta class. For delta class, it is clear that it is aged and prone to errors. its weapon system is also old and relatively less powerful. The Borei class is so new that I don't think any of its system has matured. There may be fatal problems in its design

[Oberon]

How could anyone bother to vote for anything other than the monster itself? Typhoon even comes equipped with a hot tub! Come on already!

Besides, us Americans all have the Typhoon permanently stuck in our heads after having great movies like 'The Hunt For Red October' around.

-S

Ditto, plus all those 1980's Soviet Weapons books always freeked out over the monster.

This is what I'm talking about:
http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.fas.org/irp/dia/product/smp_85.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.fas.org/irp/dia/product/smp_85_ch2.htm&h=349&w=570&sz=27&hl=en&start=1&um=1&tbnid=gFpka_lGdKBo1M:&tbnh=82&tbnw=134&prev=/images%3Fq%3DSoviet%2Bmilitary%2Bpower,%2B1985,%26 um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DG

I have a book like that... :hmm: :up:

[Polak]

Typhoon because it's big. Big=Good:up:

[SUBMAN1]

This is what I'm talking about:
http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.fas.org/irp/dia/product/smp_85.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.fas.org/irp/dia/product/smp_85_ch2.htm&h=349&w=570&sz=27&hl=en&start=1&um=1&tbnid=gFpka_lGdKBo1M:&tbnh=82&tbnw=134&prev=/images%3Fq%3DSoviet%2Bmilitary%2Bpower,%2B1985,%26 um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DG

Yep!

-S

[SUBMAN1]

Typhoon because it's big. Big=Good:up:Yep! Us Americans like big things!

-S

[Platapus]

No love for the hotel :(

First submarine to launch a ballistic missile while submerged.

If fading memory serves me, I believe that a Hotel I (perhaps the K-16???) modified with the D4 in 1959 was the first submarine to launch a ballistic missile while submerged. It was not until 1960 that the Hotel II modifications started as a production.

A George Washington submarine launched submerged in December 1960

Keep me honest here, Is I rememberin this right? :88)

Been a long time since I was a sub analyst.

[TLAM Strike]

No love for the hotel :(

First submarine to launch a ballistic missile while submerged.

If fading memory serves me, I believe that a Hotel I (perhaps the K-16???) modified with the D4 in 1959 was the first submarine to launch a ballistic missile while submerged. It was not until 1960 that the Hotel II modifications started as a production.

A George Washington submarine launched submerged in December 1960

Keep me honest here, Is I rememberin this right? :88)

Been a long time since I was a sub analyst. The first Russian sub to launch while submerged was a Whiskey modified with a single (later a two) missile tubes.

[Platapus]

The first Russian sub to launch while submerged was a Whiskey modified with a single (later a two) missile tubes.

What year did this happen?

Weren't these cruise missiles?

" All guided missile variants of the Whiskey class had to surface in order to fire their missiles."http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whiskey_class_submarine

[Kapitan]

first SSB one fitted with ballistic missiles was the zulu IV class it launched the first SLBM believe in 1948 maybe wrong on the date.

[Platapus]

first SSB one fitted with ballistic missiles was the zulu IV class it launched the first SLBM believe in 1948 maybe wrong on the date.

Was that able to launch submerged?

wow 1948 cooleo

[Kapitan]

no had to surface the first SSBN to fire submerged missiles i do believe was the hotel version II 1964 trials began on a zulu IV in 1963.

First real SSBN was the yankee able to fire thier missiles from 50 meters submerged and had 16 SS-N-8 missiles (unless it was K-219 then it only had 15)

[Platapus]

no had to surface the first SSBN to fire submerged missiles i do believe was the hotel version II 1964 trials began on a zulu IV in 1963.



I agree that the Hotel II was the class that had the D4 in production, but I am still pretty sure (as sure as my fading memory permits) that a modified Hotel I with the D4 was the first submarine to launch a ballistic missile while submerged. Of course this was not operational.

I believe the first operational subs capable of launching a ballistic missile while submerged were the George Washington class.

Anyway, I wanna see some love on the poll for the Hotel class :rock:

[Kapitan]

first true SSBN was george washington it was so good it was why the soviets dropped the hotel class and instead went forward to produce a design of similar proportion later known as the yankee (navaga).

Theres still one yankee (akson) active with the russian navy however she no longer carries SLBMs

[TLAM Strike]

The first Russian sub to launch while submerged was a Whiskey modified with a single (later a two) missile tubes.

What year did this happen?

Weren't these cruise missiles?

" All guided missile variants of the Whiskey class had to surface in order to fire their missiles."http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whiskey_class_submarine

1956.

Nope SLBMs not SLCMs. The SS-N-5 Serb to be specific. They also used the same boat for another SLBM test.

The Sub was the S-229 which was renamed the B-613. The weapons were not armed and it was not part of any production line of submarines, she was just a test platform outfitted for the specific job of testing new missiles in the Black Sea.

http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/russia/slbm/r-21.htm
http://books.google.com/books?id=cP4KPxaB8DQC&pg=PA110&lpg=PA110&dq=Whiskey+SLBM+Platform+S-229&source=web&ots=HHeBcjN7OC&sig=dCRo8qB1_75jbFRlQQJHRysLvuk&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=2&ct=result#PPA110,M1

(Wow did I finaly best Kapitian with something didn't know? :p )

[Kapitan]

In fact you did ! early early cold war i know not alot about nuclear boats and more modern stuff ie 1960's to date is my main area of intrest from the HENs to borey.