Rough Seas

[SUBMAN1]

Seasick anyone?

-S

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[Raptor1]

Nah, I watched "The Cruel Sea" yesterday, I've had my share of sea-sick

That freighter with the collapsed containers is scary though

[SUBMAN1]

Nah, I watched "The Cruel Sea" yesterday, I've had my share of sea-sick

That freighter with the collapsed containers is scary thoughTell me something - I find this scarier too by the way! The last two shots are the smae boat - I'm convinced of it! And if this is the case, it friggen snapped in half! Take a look!

-S

[PeriscopeDepth]

I love these kinds of pictures, they're very impressive. Sailors deserve every penny they make. Thanks for posting!

PD

[SUBMAN1]

I love these kinds of pictures, they're very impressive. Sailors deserve every penny they make. Thanks for posting!

PDDid you see the last two shots? Did the boat snap in half?

-S

[PeriscopeDepth]

I love these kinds of pictures, they're very impressive. Sailors deserve every penny they make. Thanks for posting!

PDDid you see the last two shots? Did the boat snap in half?

-S
Not convinced it's the same _ship_ :). The sky looks radically different in both shots, which I suppose is in the realm of possibility. The structure looks different to me though, too.

PD

[SUBMAN1]

Not convinced it's the same _ship_ :). The sky looks radically different in both shots, which I suppose is in the realm of possibility. The structure looks different to me though, too.

PDAnalyze the little house on the foredeck - it is the same in both shots, and then look at the mast structure in the distance - its the same mast structure! (Maybe I've been playing SHIV too much - starting to do ship identification in a snap! :D) - it's the same ship! And it's a broken ship! Probably no subsequent shots after that because the cameraman has about 1 minute to get into a survival suit and jump ship!

-S

[Platapus]

I never understand how those container ships stay upright and afloat.

That has to be one top heavy ship!

[Polak]

That's nothing, been in worse. :D
The sea is and fascinating force.:yep:

[Cohaagen]

I never understand how those container ships stay upright and afloat.

That has to be one top heavy ship!

Biiiiiig heavy Wartsila diesels in the bottom of the hull (sorry, layman's terms), a light superstructure, and ballast. Principles of displacement also mean the more hull you have underwater, the more stability it provides (to an extent) - the water pushing against you from either beam gives stability.

It's not the container ships that bother me, it's the Carnival cruise ships with a GRT of about 90,000 on a 9" draught that give me the heeby-jeebies.

[Platapus]

It's not the container ships that bother me, it's the Carnival cruise ships with a GRT of about 90,000 on a 9" draught that give me the heeby-jeebies.

I am assuming you meant 9'

Do you mean that those big cruise ships only draw 9 feet? :o

[Syxx_Killer]

That container ship shot is terrifying. The forces required to do that... :dead:

The last two shots are definitely of a Great Lakes ship. The Lakes do get that rough, especially on Lake Superior. These are not really lakes so much as they are inland seas. Many ships have gone down on the Lakes. That is the pilot house at the bow of the ship. All the Great Lakes ships that have the bridge at the stern have a pilot house up front. I am pretty sure that it is the same ship in both pictures. The ship didn't break. She's still sailing the Lakes. :lol:

If this don't make you toss your cookies nothing will! :dead:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rd84oo5p6Cs

[SUBMAN1]

I bet 800 people are tossing their cookies on that cruise ship!!!


On my two pics above. Follow the ship line between the two pictures! The second picture - it is an impossibility that the ship is in one piece! Or at least, unlikely.

Remember that over 400 ships sink each year!

-S

[rifleman13]

Now I thought waves in SH3 were worse!

Very cool, but disturbing pics!

[bookworm_020]

I have heard tankers flex by over a metre in heavy seas!:o

[Syxx_Killer]

If that's a Great Lakes ship, and I'm 90% sure it is, then it is not broken in two. There have been mishaps on the Lakes, but nothing this severe like a ship breaking in two. As far as I am aware there hasn't been a major shipwreck on the Lakes since the Edmund Fitzgerald went down on November 10, 1975. If a ship broke in two on the Lakes during a storm it would have been in every newspaper, on every news station, and website about the Great Lakes and that just didn't happen.

I can see how you think the ship is broke in two. I can see it too, but I think you're following the wrong lines. The hull is a bit harder to see, but if you look real close, you will see that it does indeed run straight. The red part you see in the bottom photo is not the spar deck, but rather looks like the cargo hatch which is more clearly visibile in the second to last pic.

[August]

It looks like the photographer zoomed in and moved more amidships for the second shot.

[nikimcbee]

That container ship shot is terrifying. The forces required to do that... :dead:

The last two shots are definitely of a Great Lakes ship. The Lakes do get that rough, especially on Lake Superior. These are not really lakes so much as they are inland seas. Many ships have gone down on the Lakes. That is the pilot house at the bow of the ship. All the Great Lakes ships that have the bridge at the stern have a pilot house up front. I am pretty sure that it is the same ship in both pictures. The ship didn't break. She's still sailing the Lakes. :lol:

If this don't make you toss your cookies nothing will! :dead:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rd84oo5p6Cs

inside that cruise ship!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVUFj35BNKM&feature=related

[August]

Not everyone is scared of big waves:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoRhkI171dU&feature=related

[PeriscopeDepth]

I really wanna know if that ship snapped or not. Anything definitive? Methinks if it HAD indeed snapped, someone here would know about it.

PD

[SUBMAN1]

I really wanna know if that ship snapped or not. Anything definitive? Methinks if it HAD indeed snapped, someone here would know about it.

PDDoubt it. Happens every year. An average of 4 ships sink every week. That is over 400 per year!!!

Data from 2003 is that 211 simply disappeared, with 24 of them over 100 meters long. These ships are not simply sinking, they are simply never heard from again!

What I find weird is, if so many ships sink in a given year, how is it that no one hears about it, or hardly hears about it on the news? Is it such commonplace that no one cares?

-S

PS. Here is an article on one theory - Super Waves - http://www.geotimes.org/oct04/NN_waves.html

[Fincuan]

The ship in those last two photos is ex-MV Selkirk Settler(now Spruceglen), and no she did not break in two after those pics. The pics are taken in the Northern Atlantic ocean. Google the name to find those pics and a few more.

I believe this is the original source: http://www.boatnerd.com/pictures/fleet/spruceglen.htm
Here's some info on the ship: http://www.clydesite.co.uk/clydebuilt/viewship.asp?id=628

edit: Edited out erroneous info. The ship in question has not been sunk, she's still live and well

[Cohaagen]

It's not the container ships that bother me, it's the Carnival cruise ships with a GRT of about 90,000 on a 9" draught that give me the heeby-jeebies.
I am assuming you meant 9'

Do you mean that those big cruise ships only draw 9 feet? :o
Sorry, they are both typos.

Carnival Destiny has a draught of just 8 metres with a gross of about 100,000 tonnes or so. Given that she has 60 metres of freeboard including superstructure, that's still pretty frightening. I do know they have used many different ways of lightening the superstructure, but you'd still never get me on one.

[Tchocky]

Well, the whole idea of a cruise ship is to remove any impression that you are at sea, so I suppose they stay out of harm's way :)

I'd go on a cruise if I was having a crisis and needed to feel young :p

[Oberon]

Times like that you've just gotta anchor yourself to something on the ship, try to point your bow into the waves and pray to Neptune.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_8hOai9hGQ

^ These bastards on the other hand will get you with your pants down.

[Platapus]

Sorry, they are both typos.

Carnival Destiny has a draught of just 8 metres with a gross of about 100,000 tonnes or so. Given that she has 60 metres of freeboard including superstructure, that's still pretty frightening. I do know they have used many different ways of lightening the superstructure, but you'd still never get me on one.


You are right, even eight meters does not seem a lot. Must be some heavy ballast down there.

I was on one cruise ship and for a few hours they had to power down the stabilizer. Wow what a difference that made!

[UglyMowgli]

For the Ital Florida here the story

New container M/V Ital Florida lost at least three fully loaden containers in severe seas between June 16 & 19 in the Arabian Sea. The ship faced wave heigths of 7-10 m height. M/V Ital Florida was running with almost 16 knots. The ship's deck also suffered storm damage.

http://www.cargolaw.com/2007nightmare_ital.florida.html

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[Cohaagen]

You are right, even eight meters does not seem a lot. Must be some heavy ballast down there.

I was on one cruise ship and for a few hours they had to power down the stabilizer. Wow what a difference that made!
I think one of the things that has made a difference is the move toward podded propulsion over the last two decades or so. This provides considerable improvements when coming in to berth, and steering generally, but I'm not sure how much good they'd be in a heavy beam sea. The Queen Mary 2, purportedly an ocean-going liner and not a cruise ship (we'll see how long that lasts), is podded, has a deeper draught than the Carnival ships and is a lot faster too.

I believe the main reason for these Carnival and Royal Caribbean cruise ships having such shallow draught is that most of the berths they visit in the Caribbean can't accept vessels that draw the standard amount of water. Obviously they'll have met Lloyd's standards for safety, but I don't know how much redundancy is factored in regarding stability - I'll bet they're right on the line.

For myself, I wouldn't go on a cruise because I don't consider Legionnaire's Disease, listeria, botulism and E-Coli to be good accompaniments to a holiday ;)


PS - My father, twelve years in the Merchant Navy, has some fascinating photographs from his time at sea. Really nasty head seas like the ones posted here, mail delivery by helicopter on an ice pack, photos of rogue icebergs three miles diameter, a pic of him standing in front of the New York skyline whilst the WTC were being built, etc. His father, MN too, had some great pictures from the Far East and Middle East from WWII but unfortunately these are with my uncle. And his father in turn, my great-grandfather, was at sea during the First World War mainly in the North and Irish seas. Not many photographs, if any, but he did keep a diary which is apparently fascinating.

[SUBMAN1]

Check this Cruise ship getting hit!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvtwo2ugwU8&NR=1

:o:o:o

-S

[Etienne]

I think one of the things that has made a difference is the move toward podded propulsion over the last two decades or so. This provides considerable improvements when coming in to berth, and steering generally, but I'm not sure how much good they'd be in a heavy beam sea.

I believe the main reason for these Carnival and Royal Caribbean cruise ships having such shallow draught is that most of the berths they visit in the Caribbean can't accept vessels that draw the standard amount of water. Obviously they'll have met Lloyd's standards for safety, but I don't know how much redundancy is factored in regarding stability - I'll bet they're right on the line.

A Voyager class cruise ship displaces about 75000 MT at 8.8 meter maximum draft. Cruise ships don't care about going into port, they can tender just as easily. - The determining factor in choosing a design draft is usually the weight of the ship at full load. Boats on the north american great lakes rarely load deeper than 26 ft 6 in (8.08m), but they're still built to load to 32 ft or so.

Pods don't really affect manoeuvrabillity in beam sea. They might make it a bit easier, actually - Keep in mind that podded OSV's go on DP in pretty bad weather at time.

Ship construction meets SOLAS and class standard. For most cruise ship, that's DNV. They're pretty redundant. I've fooled around with the stabillity program of the cruise ship I worked on enough to know that it would have taken a lot to sink her. (Although filling the pools with liquid at 350 tons / M3 worked pretty well) They're pretty stable, as a whole...

(And as a point of interest, cruise ships very rarely carry ballast, unless they're on the end of a run and they're running low on fuel and fresh water.)

As for the Selkirk Settler / Spruceglen, she's still sailling, mostly on the lakes, although she goes overseas in the winter. They have the originals of those pictures somewhere on the bridge.

And it's not a pilot house up forward, it's just a small lookout shelter that is very, very seldom used. The windows are almost painted over - I wouldn't want to go in there. Most lake boats nowaday have the house aft, and some have a lookout cabin up there... The American boats all do. I don't know how often it's used, but it's never used on Canadian boats.

For the record, the Spruceglen's a deep sea boat that was built to fit in the lakes. She's a bit tougher than your average laker. Lake boats bend and twist like jello once you're in a bit of sea; it's actually pretty frightening, walking down the tunnel and watching the frames move back and forth.

I've got a couple of bad weather pictures of my own, I'll post them when I get home. (They're not on this computer for some reason)

[Polak]

Check this Cruise ship getting hit!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvtwo2ugwU8&NR=1

:o:o:o

-S

I was about to post the same clip. It's fun how even seasoned sailors get scared. :D