View Full Version : Another baddie bites the dust in America
SUBMAN1
06-06-08, 02:28 PM
http://www.kpho.com/news/16506447/detail.html
Good for him!
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AVGWarhawk
06-06-08, 02:31 PM
Looks cut and dry to me. Baddie breaks in with weapon. Baddie get popped. Oh well. Glad Harry home owner was a good shot. Family safe and all is well. Great ending to the story. :up:
FIREWALL
06-06-08, 02:31 PM
:up: :up: :up: :up:
Steel_Tomb
06-06-08, 04:16 PM
Good on him. If he'd done that in the UK though he'd be in prison for manslaughter by now, bloody stupid country.
FIREWALL
06-06-08, 04:25 PM
Good on him. If he'd done that in the UK though he'd be in prison for manslaughter by now, bloody stupid country.
You can't be serious.:o
Jimbuna
06-06-08, 04:33 PM
Good on him. If he'd done that in the UK though he'd be in prison for manslaughter by now, bloody stupid country.
I should imagine that under identical circumstances (armed intruder, women and children at risk of serious/life threatening harm and hopefully a licenced firearm certificate).
The Police would only 'go through the motions', knowing full well that a jury would probably reach a verdict of self defence.
Venatore
06-06-08, 05:14 PM
Poor home owner, he would have been so damn scared for his family, I hope he and his family get through this ok
As for the second place getter, oh well "**** happens" ;)
Stealth Hunter
06-06-08, 05:28 PM
:up:
Well, jolly good so long as it was self defense and not just New TV/Wireless/cash/goods defense.
How on earth did the intruder get a weapon like that?
oh....wait..
Platapus
06-06-08, 05:51 PM
This is why criminals prefer unarmed citizens.
Even though this was clearly self-defense, my sympathies to the home owner and his family. This is not a pleasant thing to go through.
This sends a clear and loud message to criminals!
"Shoot first".
SUBMAN1
06-06-08, 06:37 PM
This sends a clear and loud message to criminals!
"Shoot first".He already planned on it. He didn't get the chance. I'd say there was a 99% chance this family would have been murdered, of course after the women had been raped first.
Wake up from your fantasy land already and quit being scared at life. People want to hurt you in this world for no reason. Deal with it.
-S
This sends a clear and loud message to criminals!
"Shoot first".He already planned on it. He didn't get the chance. I'd say there was a 99% chance this family would have been murdered, of course after the women had been raped first.
The armed intruder kicked in the door to a bedroom. I'd have to say you're right Subman.
Ducimus
06-06-08, 06:56 PM
This sends a clear and loud message to criminals!
"Shoot first".
I take it your insinuating to criminals that they'd better start killing or be killed, .... as if they weren't already doing so. :roll:
Im not sure if this is a cultural difference, or your philsophical thoughts are derived from a sheltered life, but, its common knowledge around here in the US: You don't break into peoples houses.
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/183/371854495_8bc04881ca.jpg
A persons home has some sanctity to it, you don't enter unless invited. Period.
The only debate i ever see in this subject, is what firearm to use for home defense. I prefer a pump action shotgun. :rotfl:
FIREWALL
06-06-08, 06:57 PM
This sends a clear and loud message to criminals!
"Shoot first".He already planned on it. He didn't get the chance. I'd say there was a 99% chance this family would have been murdered, of course after the women had been raped first.
The armed intruder kicked in the door to a bedroom. I'd have to say you're right Subman.
Haven't you guys figured it out yet.
Letum is an acomplished " baiter " aka a Masturbater
Sailor Steve
06-06-08, 07:05 PM
Oh no guns are evil if you have a gun the bad guys will just take it away and use it on you if you have a gun in the home you will just shoot a neighbor or a family member can't you see guns are evil?
SUBMAN1
06-06-08, 07:09 PM
Oh no guns are evil if you have a gun the bad guys will just take it away and use it on you if you have a gun in the home you will just shoot a neighbor or a family member can't you see guns are evil?You just made my want to go lube my guns tonight! :D Break out the old Miltec-1! My backyard light went off last night (got 300 watts back there for night time intruders ya know) and my gate was open this morning. Someone was in my yard last night.
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Sailor Steve
06-06-08, 07:25 PM
Oh no guns are evil if you have a gun the bad guys will just take it away and use it on you if you have a gun in the home you will just shoot a neighbor or a family member can't you see guns are evil?You just made my want to go lube my guns tonight! :D Break out the old Miltec-1! My backyard light went off last night (got 300 watts back there for night time intruders ya know) and my gate was open this morning. Someone was in my yard last night.
-S
We actually had an incident here in Utah that pulled a funny reverse on one of those comments. Some years ago a thug broke into the home of an elderly couple late at night, hit the old man over the head and started to go through the jewelry box. When the old woman screamed he went back to the bed and started to strangle her. Scrabbling at his chest and stomach she suddenly realised that - you guessed it - he had a gun stuck in his belt. I shouldn't have to explain what happened next.
In this case the baddie might have been better off if he hadn't had a gun.:rotfl:
kiwi_2005
06-06-08, 07:28 PM
Good on him. If he'd done that in the UK though he'd be in prison for manslaughter by now, bloody stupid country.
Yea same over here he would of been charged with manslaughter and discharging a firearm. :nope:
Crazy.,
Platapus
06-06-08, 08:22 PM
The only debate i ever see in this subject, is what firearm to use for home defense. I prefer a pump action shotgun. :rotfl:
The article did not mention what type of rifle the home owner had. There are some rifles that are not so appropriate for home defense (over penetration). Probably would not choose a Remington 700 for home defense unless you have a VERY long hallway :)
Shotguns are usually a good choice although some may be too ungainly to maneuver in tight quarters. But you can't argue about the result. Even if you miss the noise will stun the intruder. And the nice thing is that it is more difficult to miss with a shotgun than it is with a handgun.
One thing I do recommend is that if anyone keeps a shotgun for protection that they hit the range with it. Shotguns are not like big rifles and believe it or not, it IS possible to miss a human size target at 7 meters (seen it in our indoor range :yep: )
You don't want the first time you fire a shotgun to be the time you might need two shots quickly.
I am pondering a question concerning my shotgun (old Remington 12ga pump). Right now I have two pistol grips on it. Makes the recoil a bit harsh but makes it easier to maneuver. I am contemplating upgrading to a top folding stock. I have never used one before. I am not sure the folding stock will give me the stability of a fixed stock. If not, then I wonder if I am still better off with my two pistol grips?
SUBMAN1
06-06-08, 09:51 PM
[quote=Ducimus]The article did not mention what type of rifle the home owner had. There are some rifles that are not so appropriate for home defense (over penetration). Probably would not choose a Remington 700 for home defense unless you have a VERY long hallway :)...Only a buffalo rifle. Best rifle is an AR-15 (if you can afford one), or if you have a big budget ($10K), a fully automatic M-16. Penetration of walls is way less than compared to a .45. However, I do keep a .45 near the bed in case I am surprised at night. You probably don't want surprise me at 3 in the morning! Just a warning! :D
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nikimcbee
06-07-08, 03:23 AM
My neighbours were broken into a few years ago (during the daytime). I wish I could have told the police to tell the stupid teenagers that "they were lucky they didn't climb in the other bathroom window.":cool: SKS bayonet or butt of 1864 Springfield musket to the head... or Boston Terrier teeth.
Jimbuna
06-07-08, 05:39 AM
[quote=Ducimus]The article did not mention what type of rifle the home owner had. There are some rifles that are not so appropriate for home defense (over penetration). Probably would not choose a Remington 700 for home defense unless you have a VERY long hallway :)...Only a buffalo rifle. Best rifle is an AR-15 (if you can afford one), or if you have a big budget ($10K), a fully automatic M-16. Penetration of walls is way less than compared to a .45. However, I do keep a .45 near the bed in case I am surprised at night. You probably don't want surprise me at 3 in the morning! Just a warning! :D
-S
I'll be sure to phone you and warn you I am calling round for a nice friendly social visit well in advance :lol:
nikimcbee
06-14-08, 08:25 AM
My neighbours were broken into a few years ago (during the daytime). I wish I could have told the police to tell the stupid teenagers that "they were lucky they didn't climb in the other bathroom window.":cool: SKS bayonet or butt of 1864 Springfield musket to the head... or Boston Terrier teeth.
deja vu:o
The only debate i ever see in this subject, is what firearm to use for home defense. I prefer a pump action shotgun. :rotfl:
The article did not mention what type of rifle the home owner had. There are some rifles that are not so appropriate for home defense (over penetration). Probably would not choose a Remington 700 for home defense unless you have a VERY long hallway :)
Shotguns are usually a good choice although some may be too ungainly to maneuver in tight quarters. But you can't argue about the result. Even if you miss the noise will stun the intruder. And the nice thing is that it is more difficult to miss with a shotgun than it is with a handgun.
One thing I do recommend is that if anyone keeps a shotgun for protection that they hit the range with it. Shotguns are not like big rifles and believe it or not, it IS possible to miss a human size target at 7 meters (seen it in our indoor range :yep: )
You don't want the first time you fire a shotgun to be the time you might need two shots quickly.
I am pondering a question concerning my shotgun (old Remington 12ga pump). Right now I have two pistol grips on it. Makes the recoil a bit harsh but makes it easier to maneuver. I am contemplating upgrading to a top folding stock. I have never used one before. I am not sure the folding stock will give me the stability of a fixed stock. If not, then I wonder if I am still better off with my two pistol grips?
I once owned a pistol grip shotgun. Didn't like it. As Niki alludes to, a solid butt stock makes a pretty decent weapon as well.
SUBMAN1
06-14-08, 12:23 PM
I'll be sure to phone you and warn you I am calling round for a nice friendly social visit well in advance :lol:I don't have a habit of shooting people that simply ring the doorbell before they enter. So no worries! :D
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Jimbuna
06-14-08, 04:30 PM
I'll be sure to phone you and warn you I am calling round for a nice friendly social visit well in advance :lol:I don't have a habit of shooting people that simply ring the doorbell before they enter. So no worries! :D
-S
Thank heaven for that :lol:
FIREWALL
06-14-08, 04:39 PM
SHOOT THE HOUSE GUEST.
They make less demands on your time.
And no waiting on them hand and foot.:p
SUBMAN1
06-14-08, 04:52 PM
SHOOT THE HOUSE GUEST.
They make less demands on your time.
And no waiting on them hand and foot.:p You mean the uninvited house guest!
-S
FIREWALL
06-14-08, 05:59 PM
SHOOT THE HOUSE GUEST.
They make less demands on your time.
And no waiting on them hand and foot.:p You mean the uninvited house guest!
-S
Inlaws count ???:hmm:
Platapus
06-14-08, 06:05 PM
So if the wife invites her family but I don't would that count as an uninvited guest?
Just asking. (loading magazine)
Hypothetical question you understand (Lock and load)
:p
SUBMAN1
06-14-08, 06:06 PM
SHOOT THE HOUSE GUEST.
They make less demands on your time.
And no waiting on them hand and foot.:p You mean the uninvited house guest!
-S
Inlaws count ???:hmm: Don't make me spit beer! I need to clean my moniotr now! :stare: :88)
-S
Jimbuna
06-15-08, 06:14 AM
"Inlaws" you call them http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/1817/thinkbigsw1yo4.gif
In my book/family group, they're the 'Outlaws' http://img113.imageshack.us/img113/7975/gigglebigtb9fg3.gif
Takeda Shingen
06-15-08, 06:20 AM
This sends a clear and loud message to criminals!
"Shoot first".He already planned on it. He didn't get the chance. I'd say there was a 99% chance this family would have been murdered, of course after the women had been raped first.
The armed intruder kicked in the door to a bedroom. I'd have to say you're right Subman.
Haven't you guys figured it out yet.
Letum is an acomplished " baiter " aka a Masturbater
Let's not call people names.
The Management
Let's not call people names.
The Management
YEAH!!! Listen to the dingwad moderator!
j/k Tak :p
Now back to the topic.. has anyone here seen the movie/documentary "Five American Guns"?
I am a gun owner so dont think I'm one of those namby pamby anti gun weirdoes, but watching this docudrama one realizes the complete dammage that is done when one takes another human life.. even justifiably so...
I once had to pull out my .45 when someone entered my house at 2:30 in the morning.... uninvited..... The physical state you are in is not a comfortable one... turns out that it was my then next door neighbor.. a senile old lady who's grip on reality was sliding away.. she was there (at my house) to "pick up her groceries".
All I can say is "THANK GOD" I did not shoot her..
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