UK car drivers please read and sign

[Kapitan]

This is an e petition for the reduction of petrol prices its real i have signed it, we have 40,000 signatures so please do sign we need lots more.

http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/Lowerduty30/ (http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/Lowerduty30/)

[Letum]

:shifty: And then how do you propose we make up the budget deficit?

[richardphat]

Not only in europe or UK! In canada price of oil and gas are going up like roller coaster!
:nope: Time to use bbq charcoal to run the Train! Chooo Chooo!:rotfl:

[baggygreen]

I was reading an article this morning on news.com.au involving many economists who say that petrol is being kept at artificial highs, there are millions and millions of barrles of oil just sitting on ships in the gulf, and that the price could drop as low as US$100 by december.

i'll try linky it up

[Kapitan]

my stepdad worked on tankers, to create a demand they used to have them sit up even in mid ocean to get more money so yeah that is believeable.

[Kapitan]

:shifty: And then how do you propose we make up the budget deficit?

how do you propose the poor people get to work? to fill up my car £57 full tank it is still cheaper than getting a bus for a week, or the train.

[Letum]

:shifty: And then how do you propose we make up the budget deficit?
how do you propose the poor people get to work? to fill up my car £57 full tank it is still cheaper than getting a bus for a week, or the train.
How will cutting fuel duty help them get to work?
They might only pay...say...£40 to fill the tank, but the £17 they save will have to
be accounted for else where. Either by taxing something else, which means you have
not gained anything, or by cutting spending; something which all ways effects the poor
more than other sections of society.

I live miles from anywhere in the middle of the country and I commute 30 miles to work.
Fuel is an issue for me too, but I would rather fuel tax stay where it is than a reduction
in fuel balanced by, say a increase in income tax.
At least with fuel tax I have some, limited choice in how I contribute to the treasury.

[Kapitan]

True but the more you put fuel prices up the more the bus company put thier prices up (i work for them atm) they are not cheap tickets because the company wont run a route that wont pay the biggest expenditure is diesel since last september the ticket prices increased by between 95% and 115% just to cover the cost.

Now if that doesnt affect the poor people who cant afford a car then i dont know what does.

[Letum]

Yes, until a few months ago I was on the buses.

£12.05 return for a total round trip of ~50 - 70 miles.

That wasn't cheep and it was voluntarily work. Often I was the only person on the bus.

Don't the buses get a lot of subsidies? They are under a PSA right?
It seams like 75% of people who use them get a free pass. Myself included now. I suspect
the free passes push up prices as well.

[Kapitan]

The only major subsidised transport system in the UK is the london transport system in Basildon and all the rest of the areas we recive NO govenment fund subsidies or help at all.

Every pass we issue a ticket and the local council gives us 70p to pay single fare one fare stage (which can be as little as half a mile down the road and one stop) is £1.20 so the passes dont make us any money infact quite often they loose us money.

Since september 2007 ticket prices had to rise by 100% average due to the massive rise in diesel, when diesel hit £1.01 per gallon every single route ran into big negative figures, there was even consideration of dropping 6 of our 16 routes to save money which would mean about 30 to 50 drivers be made redundant and we would have less busses because to make up for the short fall they would need to sell them.

It would then have ment the special service we run called the 1A would be dropped and this was a special service specificaly brought in for the OAP's who couldnt get to the main line buses just so they can get out and go shopping.

Another route to be axed would be the 12A which runs in the morning and afternoon and is specifically designed for the school children who are too far to walk from thier homes to the three schools it services.

The 5 would have been axed this is the only service that operates a low floor service around town ie it has no steps to climb at the door meaning buggys and wheel chair users can now get on.

The 25B which again is ment for the OAP's who live in wickford (about 12 miles from the town) this would be axed again its a low floor service and so no OAP's could get into the major town of Basildon period theres no other bus only that one.

arriva nearly stopped running thier 5's to southend and we were planning on stopping our 2's (goes same way) which would have ment there would be no service to southend and vice versa and it would have put even more strain on the already over crowded trains who have cut back services already anyway.

The 22 service from canvey to basildon the only service that does this run it would have ment everyone on the island would have to either walk to benfleet which is a good 8 or 9 miles or just be stranded, because our sister depot had plans already to drop the two other routes that service the island.

So the dilema stood what to do, raise ticket prices and fear a revolt or drop all these services and have a revolt.

They decided to keep the routes in place and gradualy increase the prices it wasnt welcomed by anyone and everyone who uses it even to this day people say why is it so expecive the reason is tax on fuel and duty as well we cant run a route in the red so now the paying customer which is acctually all of us including the OAP's has to cop the fares TWICE

Yes TWICE!

did you know your council tax acctually pays for the disabled pass holders and OAP pass holders? they actually get council tax relief 25% off thier council tax bill so they are not acctually paying a penny for thier travel, and we pick up not just our bill but thiers aswell.

So next time your on a bus and that old lady gets on with her shopping trolly wanting to go to town and she pays nothing just remember your paying for her seat.

[Letum]

Why do so many services round me run empty day-in-day-out if there is no subsidy/PSA?

[Kapitan_Phillips]

:shifty: And then how do you propose we make up the budget deficit?

By not spending the money on bollocks

[Kapitan]

Why do so many services round me run empty day-in-day-out if there is no subsidy/PSA?

Because the council insist they have to they probably run into negative figures, or thier prices are too high for the average single mum or job seeker to afford and believe in me they are.

There is a guy who gets on my 100 service he has to get a weekly ticket costing him £35 which is great sounds cheap doesnt it, but if you only get £90 every two weeks aint so cheap any more is it.
That coupled with the fact that you can only use it on certain services and it only goes to a certain zone doesnt make it so appealing.
The only other ticket the guy could get is a £5.50 return or the outer zone ranger which is £63 for the week.

There are times and you probably dont see this but certain times of the day we are jam packed normal times are 0730 to 0915 then again at 0930 to 1015 then the odd few people back busy again at 1430 to 1530 run dry for another hour or so back busy again at 1600 to 1800.

All routes bar the 100 stop at 1900.

[XabbaRus]

I found it

http://www.news.com.au/business/story/0,23636,23754398-462,00.html

[STEED]

I tend to feel this is to see how much we will take before we run out of patience with the cost of living going up due to the cost of oil per barrel. And as far as I can see it this country has no backbone and will let it continual. Time for people to wake up but they never will.

Great Britain as if standard Britain more like.