View Full Version : I think I figured out why Hillary isn't dropping out of the race.
TheSatyr
05-13-08, 12:10 AM
I think it has to do with the Rezko trial that starts in a few days. From what i've been hearing it is supposed to be a slam dunk for the prosecution and that Rezko's attorneys will only be putting up a token defense. There is also a rumor that Rezko may be willing to "finger" Obama in exchange for a lighter sentence. (He is already convinced they will find him guilty supposedly).
I don't know if this is all true or not,but it does bring up an interesting question. If Hillary were to drop out and then lets say that later Obama is forced out due to a scandal do the Dems still get to run a candidate in the General Election...and if so who chooses who the candidate will be? On the other hand,if Hillary were still running she would be the automatic winner I would think. (Which is why I think she is still in the race...to be the fallback candidate if Rezko decides to send Obama down in flames).
I can't recall if we ever had a similar kind of situation before.
Platapus
05-13-08, 05:43 AM
I have been following the Rezko case and I don't really see the risk to Obama. I have not seen any indications that Obama directed any of Rezko's illegal activities nor that he may have even been aware of his illegal activities (It is also evident that Obama did not spend a lot of time checking up on Rezko but that is hardly illegal).
I see no way Obama can be charged with a crime and impeached from office because of Rezko's activities.
If we were to impeach all the members of congress who accepted money from criminals it would be a pretty empty place. :know:
However in this election where a candidate not wearing a "made in China" flag pin is a "big issue", this will probably be blown out of proportion.
A criminal giving money to a politician in Chicago. This is not exactly news folks :)
It will, however, give the political hyenas something to yap about instead of any real issue.
TDK1044
05-13-08, 06:13 AM
Hillary is staying in the race to damage Obama just enough so that he loses to McCain. Then in four years time, when McCain is 76 years old and looking and sounding even more like a frail old man, Hillary will run against him.
Tchocky
05-13-08, 06:20 AM
I disagree. Can you imagine the swell of anti-Hillary opinion if she is seen to have cost the Dems the White House?
It would be like Nader running for the Dems in 2004!
2008 is her last, best chance.
Zachstar
05-13-08, 06:27 AM
People have been following that trial for months. And no it is going to have nothing to do with Obama.
And I think you have it crossed on the defence part. Recent reports state that the evidence is likely weak.
JetSnake
05-13-08, 08:29 AM
I think she is staying in because obama hasn't gotten the 2025 delegates yet (his luster isn't great like the media whores portray it). The election is McCains to lose.
Skybird
05-13-08, 09:03 AM
The democrats should have locked Clinton, Obama and a knife in a room and shouldn'T have opened the door again before only one of the three was left. What the democrats are allowing to happen is - getting dismantled by the two. Stupid no matter why, and how it is called simply - stupid. They had two candidates both of them were popular enough to deliver McCain a deafeat just some months ago. Now they have one sure looser, and the other's chances in extremely serious doubt. Stupid. Every organisation can afford only so big an ego at the top, and not bigger.
Tchocky
05-13-08, 09:12 AM
Clinton would have eaten the knife, Skybird.
Mere metal ain't gonna stop her.
SUBMAN1
05-13-08, 10:15 AM
...If we were to impeach all the members of congress who accepted money from criminals it would be a pretty empty place. :know: ...I think its about time we start.
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Skybird
05-13-08, 10:23 AM
Clinton would have eaten the knife, Skybird.
Mere metal ain't gonna stop her.
Doesn't matter. that the two still hanging at each other's throat is dramatically damaging the democrats' chances to win, no matter who their candidate will be - that was my point.
AVGWarhawk
05-13-08, 10:29 AM
This issue with Rezko was brought up months ago. It will be a non-issue. If there was more to it then we would have seen more about it.
SUBMAN1
05-13-08, 11:00 AM
Doesn't matter. that the two still hanging at each other's throat is dramatically damaging the democrats' chances to win, no matter who their candidate will be - that was my point.Quite true and fine by me! :D Keep on slugging at each other please!
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Sailor Steve
05-13-08, 11:05 AM
...If we were to impeach all the members of congress who accepted money from criminals it would be a pretty empty place. :know: ...I think its about time we start.
-S
Now there's a sentiment we agree on!:rock:
TDK1044
05-13-08, 11:13 AM
I disagree. Can you imagine the swell of anti-Hillary opinion if she is seen to have cost the Dems the White House?
It would be like Nader running for the Dems in 2004!
2008 is her last, best chance.
She's already done that in all probability. She'll run again...her whole life is based on the aquisition of power.
Tchocky
05-13-08, 11:17 AM
I don't think she's wrought that much damage, to be honest. Her game is over, my inbox is stuffed with McCain/Obama general election talk, only Clinton is focusing on the nomination race. It's all in how she decides to lose.
Most of those Clinton supporters who say they'll vote McCain, c'mon, they're not fooling anyone.
Party identification is looking better and better for Dems, worse and worse for Republicans. In many counties, primary turnout exceeded 2004 general alection turnout. It's going to be a close race this year, but it's by no means decided.
Obama isn't playing the usual Democratic election game, and the traditional GOP points aren't going to work for John McCain.
PeriscopeDepth
05-13-08, 12:09 PM
...If we were to impeach all the members of congress who accepted money from criminals it would be a pretty empty place. :know: ...I think its about time we start.
-S Now there's a sentiment we agree on!:rock:
No feckin kidding. Congress is corrupt. If every House/Senate member was under surveillance for six months, I wonder what we would learn...:hmm:
PD
SUBMAN1
05-13-08, 12:26 PM
Since McCain is sewing up both left and right wing votes, I don't see how he could lose, but its also not so clear cut. Obama has a lot of negative baggage he is carrying.
Now here is one thing I dislike about McCain, but an example of his middle left policies:
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/05/a-democratic-go.html
How far into the middle left can you get? Uggh!
No good choices this time around. A strong candidate is needed and one doesn't exist.
-S
Tchocky
05-13-08, 12:31 PM
Renewable energy isn't really a left/right issue.
SUBMAN1
05-13-08, 12:43 PM
Renewable energy isn't really a left/right issue.You missed the part about global warming....
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Ishmael
05-13-08, 02:28 PM
I think this says it all, what do you think?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptPiS-NhENs
Platapus
05-13-08, 04:30 PM
...If we were to impeach all the members of congress who accepted money from criminals it would be a pretty empty place. :know: ...I think its about time we start.
-S
Well I can't exactly disagree with that :up:
Tchocky
05-13-08, 04:54 PM
On McCain's enviro decision
http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/05/mccain_places_ad_buy_in_oregon.php
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