IV not as good as III ?

[Udi Hrant]

I am a busy guy but - I got so emmersed in SHIII that I thought I would invest my time and start up the install/tweak/learning curve for SHIV.

With SHII and Grey Wolves this process went pretty smoothly and I was quickly happy with the game experience.

I'm actually having a harder time getting SHIV to run with good looking graphics etc... Also I'm not sure if I'm as happy with the interface and targeting tools.

Is it possible (I have read posts to this end..) that SHIV is not as complete or accomplished a simulation as III and that I should stop waisting my time?

I would appreciate any pro or con opinions on this before I give up or dig in deeper...

[Wilcke]

Please, dig deeper, the US Navy Submarine war against the Japanese is a complex and multi-dimensional story. There are many great books on the subject. SH4 has come a long way since its release and also deserves long study.

The Fleet Boat brought about technology to the war that is simply amazing for the time, if not for the torpedo problems its deadliness would have been ten-fold in tonnage.

So do a lot of reading, try out the mods there are many (more reading) and go on lots of patrols and see what you think of the Pacific. I did run SHIII for quite a time but now the Pacific has really put the hook into me...:up:

Enjoy and Happy Hunting!

[ReallyDedPoet]

Nicely said Wilke :yep:

@ Udi Hrantebe: sure to also check out the link under Wilke's sig, it is a good one.
SH4 does have a different look, as it should, it is a different game. Also there is a wealth of other great information in older threads, the search option is your friend ;)

Good luck with it :up:


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(http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=128185)

[DeepIron]

s it possible (I have read posts to this end..) that SHIV is not as complete or accomplished a simulation as III and that I should stop waisting my time?AND... this "comparison" has started more than one "heated discussion" so it's hard to say "yes or no" without potentially starting a ruckus...

[Mav87th]

Wasted Time?

Not in my book. I was deeply into the Atlantic in U-47 sailing 16 full missions on a very high level. This was all done in SH-III up to and including the GWX era. But i abandoned SH-III from SH-4's start off and have never looked back.

Because SH-4 is better - no

But because there simply is so much real reading stuff to get your self into and thus the imertion of being a skipper of one of the fleet boats are imo more easy.

I allso fancy the idea of having to seek out a single target along some very well known passages, islands etc. then continously attacking big convoys in the middle of the atlantic.

If we are talking realism as in targeting, tactics etc. i think both sims are on par, at least if you do it the "right" way.

[DavyJonesFootlocker]

...besides SH4 looks better graphically than SH3. The Environmental Mods made it even better looking. SH3 was a great sub sim for its time but has become outdated.

[Digital_Trucker]

s it possible (I have read posts to this end..) that SHIV is not as complete or accomplished a simulation as III and that I should stop waisting my time?AND... this "comparison" has started more than one "heated discussion" so it's hard to say "yes or no" without potentially starting a ruckus...

There can be no comparison. SH3 has had years to be surgically improved, yet SH4 is only a baby. A very mature baby, though, and getting better every day. Personally, I enjoy seeing it all grow up (and go through the growing pains). It's worth it to keep investigating and follow all the progress as it happens.

[Flamingboat]

I think they are both awesome because let's face it, you either play submarine games or you don't. I play both. Sometimes in the same day. It depends on my mood. SH3 with GWX is amazing. SH4 is amazing.

[DeepIron]

There can be no comparison. SH3 has had years to be surgically improved, yet SH4 is only a baby. A very mature baby, though, and getting better every day. Personally, I enjoy seeing it all grow up (and go through the growing pains). It's worth it to keep investigating and follow all the progress as it happens.
RESISTANCE IS FUTILE. YOU WILL BE ASSIMILATED... :up:

SH3 with GWX is amazing. SH4 is amazing.I agree. I think the real "value" is in the modding community for both (no offense to the Ubi devs). GWX, TM, PE3, EE, RFB, RSRDC (to name just the bigger ones, there are LOTS more) really help make the sim.

[Rockin Robbins]

By all means play the game you enjoy and avoid "waisting" your time. Waisting, by the way, is related to your diet and Ubi bears (I'm tempted to say "bares") no responsibility for that!:rotfl:

Any report that SHIII is an old worn-out game is premature. It retains its full appeal to this day. I hope SH4 ages as well.

[HunterICX]

SHIII or SHIV + Subsim.com = ''you cant go wrong, but you have to be patient sometimes before the game really start to get interesting thanks to the modders around here;) ''

HunterICX

[McHibbins]

Both, SHIII AND SH4.

It´s a hard decision every day. Should I rescue my fatherland from the bad Brits :lol: or should I protect Japan from getting all this nasty Chop Sui- or Babi-Pangpang Imports from China or and Philipines:lol: ?

[ReallyDedPoet]

Yes, play em' both, problem solved :D:up:


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[DavyJonesFootlocker]

I wish to be on the opposite side in SH3. I wanna sink the Fatherland but what about the Motherland, huh?:rotfl:

[Hartmann]

Sh4 needs more time of work in some areas , for example bad weather and submarine motion in the waves is a lot better in sh3.

but i´m agree about the great potential of sh4 to be improved and become the new "SH3"

[Rockin Robbins]

i´m agree about the great potential of sh4 to be improved and become the new "SH3"

I certainly hope you are wrong. The flavor of the two games is so different that much would be lost if SH4 simply took the place of SH3. Both games continue to have great potential.

[AVGWarhawk]

i´m agree about the great potential of sh4 to be improved and become the new "SH3"

I certainly hope you are wrong. The flavor of the two games is so different that much would be lost if SH4 simply took the place of SH3. Both games continue to have great potential.

Agreed, both theaters in SH4 will florish. No doubt in my mind.

[kiwi_2005]

Yes, play em' both, problem solved :D:up:


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:yep:

[sh3rules]

I played Silent Hunter III for years, but SHIV with the new add-on looks interesting. Once GWX has been released for SHIV I will probably get the game. I’m visiting here to get the hang of things because modding apparently is somewhat different for SHIV.

[LukeFF]

I played Silent Hunter III for years, but SHIV with the new add-on looks interesting. Once GWX has been released for SHIV I will probably get the game.

There are plenty of good mods already out there for SH4. You don't need to wait on GWX to enjoy the game with all the mods that have been put out there already.

[CDR Resser]

I played Silent Hunter III for years, but SHIV with the new add-on looks interesting. Once GWX has been released for SHIV I will probably get the game. I’m visiting here to get the hang of things because modding apparently is somewhat different for SHIV.

You actually might be surprised at the high quality of the mods currently available.
GWX has quite a task in front of them, just to catch up. The bar is being raised higher and higher every day.

Respectfully Submitted;
CDR Resser

[Ducimus]

I played Silent Hunter III for years, but SHIV with the new add-on looks interesting. Once GWX has been released for SHIV I will probably get the game.

There are plenty of good mods already out there for SH4. You don't need to wait on GWX to enjoy the game with all the mods that have been put out there already.

I can't decide if i want to post a rant, or some sarchastic witty comment. :damn:

Hey, at least im being honest! :rotfl:

[Ducimus]

yeah probably.

At any rate, as a game, both SH3 and SH4 have their pro's and cons. If i were to play SH3 again, there are things that i will miss from SH4. Just as there are things that i miss from SH3 now that i play sh4.

[Dowly]

SH4:

Pros
+ Looks very nice
+ Some new cool features introduced (more mission types etc.)
+ Active modding community, quite a few big mods out there

+/- Pacific theater

Cons
- Still in it's baby shoes, well maybe going thru puberty, but not older than that.
- Can be too demanding for abit older machines

SHIII

Pros
+ Have had time to "age", most bugs fixed
+ Works on abit older machines too
+ Still very active community, tons of mods
+ GWX :|\\

+/- Atlantic theatre

Cons
- Getting old graphics wise, rather long loading times


Aaand this is what I think.

[AVGWarhawk]

SH4:

Pros
+ Looks very nice
+ Some new cool features introduced (more mission types etc.)
+ Active modding community, quite a few big mods out there

+/- Pacific theater

Cons
- Still in it's baby shoes, well maybe going thru puberty, but not older than that.
- Can be too demanding for abit older machines

SHIII

Pros
+ Have had time to "age", most bugs fixed
+ Works on abit older machines too
+ Still very active community, tons of mods
+ GWX :|\\

+/- Atlantic theatre

Cons
- Getting old graphics wise, rather long loading times


Aaand this is what Ithink.

In a nutshell...pretty good conclusion.

[Rockin Robbins]

Talking about SH4 1.5/UBM out of the box, no matter the flaws there's no way back to SH3 for me, modded or not.
Of all people, Mikhayl, you're one I thought could appreciate both games at the same time. I'm shocked because you are among the best informed about the strengths of SH3.

Personally, what drove me from SH3 to SH4 a year ago was the talent SH3 has for forgetting save game files. This is especially vexing when you have a month invested in a career. So although I hadn't learned enough about SH3 to miss it, after I got SH4 and found it had no such problem, I never went back.

I loaded it up a month ago and was impressed with it! So I'll take your opinion as informed high praise for SH4. I'm interested in just what makes that "no way back" contrast for you.

[joegrundman]

[quote=Rockin Robbins]
Personally, what drove me from SH3 to SH4 a year ago was the talent SH3 has for forgetting save game files. This is especially vexing when you have a month invested in a career. So although I hadn't learned enough about SH3 to miss it, after I got SH4 and found it had no such problem, I never went back.
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This never happened to me. In fact i'm surprised it's a problem

[Sailor Steve]

This may sound strange coming from someone who has yet to even play SH4, but I think it won't be long before I'm done with SH3.

With SHII and Grey Wolves this process went pretty smoothly and I was quickly happy with the game experience.
I take it from the reference to Grey Wolves that you're fairly new to subsims, or at least to these two? As has been pointed out, GWX is the end result of years of patient testing, years that SH4 hasn't had time to work through. And, as has also been pointed out, that working through is well under way.

I'll be dropping SH3 because SH4 is obviously the better platform. I just finished watching all the U-Boat Add-On videos, and just the interiors of the subs, and the crews, are much more life-like, both in appearance and animation. Just eye candy for some; deep immersion for others. Also, new mods are still being developed for SH3, but some of them are based on SH4 technology, or SH4 ideas, and others, such as the Kiel Locks, are being done for both, anticipating the move to SH4 entirely.

As for the interface: on the one hand, we get used to one and a new one seems odd. On the other, it has been well proven that interfaces are fairly easy to change (well, at least for some folks). I think it's only a matter of time before we see both reduced interfaces (FLB Sales's Simfeeling Mod) and increased interfaces (OLC's GUI) in SH4.

I would guess that before we know it we'll be talking about SH3 as what we used to play, and SH4 will have everything SH3 has and more; it will be the best ever, at least until the next even better development comes along, which makes even it look old.

[DavyJonesFootlocker]

Right now I'm too busy teaching El Ducimo how to be sarcastic (yeah, check the spelling, Duci).:rotfl:

The only thing going for SH3 is the gameplay. Graphics, as mentioned before, is getting old.

Dowly you da man! I really dig Mr. Bean!

[Captain Vlad]

As much as I loved SH3...she was the girl you dated before you got back with the one you really wanted to marry, at least for me. Maybe it's playing my 'own side'. Maybe it's the fact that I just think fleet boats were the most bad-ass of WWII subs. Maybe I like the blue Pacific better than the grey Atlantic. Whatever the reasons, SH4 just speaks to me more than the #3.

[Dowly]

Dowly you da man! I really dig Mr. Bean!

Who wouldnt like British comedy? I absolutely love it! :smug: Tho, the newest Mr.Bean movie wasnt that good, but still Bean rocks! :up:

[AVGWarhawk]

Dowly you da man! I really dig Mr. Bean!

Who wouldnt like British comedy? I absolutely love it! :smug: Tho, the newest Mr.Bean movie wasnt that good, but still Bean rocks! :up:

Benny Hill is da man when it comes to comedy.

[DavyJonesFootlocker]

Yes Benny Hill! I used to watch him with all the erm, pretty girls he had on set. He taught me how to be a dirty old man.:rotfl:I rather UK comedies than the US ones. You can't beat dry humour. Mr. Bean, The Benny Hill Show, Are You Being Served, Yes, Prime Minister, 'Allo, 'Allo, Love Thy Neighbour..all classic stuff. Sorry for going off topic.

[tbarak]

In spite of IV being a new game it still suffers from all the "it's not quite done...but released so the devs and distributor can make money" that III had. Ridiculous that I'm reading the same posts, virtually word for word, expressing the same frustration that III players had, but now its years later with the "new game". Guess saving money by not finishing the game and letting community members do it free of charge was profitable the first time.

Anyone want to lay a wager what the posts will sound like with any new titles this company produces? Shameful, absolutely shameful that a company would establish such low levels of production and ethical standards. I hope the modders get their enjoyment from fixing people's games while assuming the responsibility that was suppose to be the dev's and publishers in the first place. Too bad these talented and hardworking modders don't share in the huge profits the producers are getting.