Panic time, oil strike on

[STEED]

British oil and gas pipeline set to close over strike
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/afp/20080426/tuk-britain-oil-strike-refining-a7ad41d.html


What really bloody got my blood boiling what's this Labour Government spokesperson on the CH5 news today saying this strike will cost millions every day there on strike.

GO TO BLOODY HELL YOU PRAT. :x

Government debt and consumer debt is in the billions so I hardly think using the guilt factor is going to work on me you dick head. :hulk:

I am in such a fowl mood today over my council and other on going issues I just had to let off some steam and that news item was the crowning turd on the pie.

And now a plea.....

People of Great Britain vote all your sitting councilors out and teach them a lesson, folks who live in London vote that pig red Ken out of office. in the up coming elections.

[Jimbuna]

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[kurtz]

What really bloody got my blood boiling what's this Labour Government spokesperson on the CH5 news today saying this strike will cost millions every day there on strike.

GO TO BLOODY HELL YOU PRAT. :x

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So if they are working they make £millions a day? But they can't afford to pay them pensions. yeah right.

[fatty]

I am in such a fowl mood today over my council

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:p

[kurtz]

I am in such a fowl mood today over my council

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:p

Bit of a cock-up on the spelling front:D

[STEED]

I've calmed down now after a good patrol on SH3. :lol:

Back on topic.......

Go for it guys. Strike, strike and stay on strike until you get what you want.

STEED is with you. :up:

Up yours labour snob government. :x

[Jimbuna]

I've calmed down now after a good patrol on SH3. :lol:

Back on topic.......

Go for it guys. Strike, strike and stay on strike until you get what you want.

STEED is with you. :up:

Up yours labour snob government. :x

That's right....you much prefer this style of government......now I remember :p

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[mrbeast]

I've calmed down now after a good patrol on SH3. :lol:

Back on topic.......

Go for it guys. Strike, strike and stay on strike until you get what you want.

STEED is with you. :up:

Up yours labour snob government. :x

And vote in whom?

[XabbaRus]

No sympathy with the strikers. They're acting as if they are the only ones who will have to now contribute to their pensions. Fact of life people live longer pensions are more expensive so companies are in a position where the workes have to contribute.

You have to to get your state pension why not with a private one. Can't get something for nothing and given that the workers at Grangemouth are earning way over the national average I think they are hypocrites. Wish I was earning between £45 - 60,000 a year.

[Jimbuna]

No sympathy with the strikers. They're acting as if they are the only ones who will have to now contribute to their pensions. Fact of life people live longer pensions are more expensive so companies are in a position where the workes have to contribute.

You have to to get your state pension why not with a private one. Can't get something for nothing and given that the workers at Grangemouth are earning way over the national average I think they are hypocrites. Wish I was earning between £45 - 60,000 a year.

If they're earning up to 60k per year, do they need a pension ? http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/1817/thinkbigsw1yo4.gif

The answer being obviously yes.....anything above the state pension (and there are millions out there who have no choice but to survive on what crumbs the Government hands out) then they should contribute towards.

I suspect the employer will also be making a contribution :nope:

[XabbaRus]

If it is like the pnesion in my company then the company should be matching the employees's contributions.

[Jimbuna]

If it is like the pnesion in my company then the company should be matching the employees's contributions.

Yeah, I reckon so.

[nikimcbee]

Okay, now I'm confused. If the UK is practically a socialist nation (except for steed), why are they going on strike? It is already a worker's paradise, so all of the workers should be happy.

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[Jimbuna]

I think they've gone on strike because word has just leaked out that STEED's status is also that of a worker.

How would you like being shoehorned into the same category as STEED :rotfl:

[Kapitan]

I think they've gone on strike because word has just leaked out that STEED's status is also that of a worker.

How would you like being shoehorned into the same category as STEED :rotfl:

All ready there.

[MothBalls]

Move to a better country.

[Stealth Hunter]

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DAMN! By the time I'd noticed this thread, I was beaten to the line! Well played, Jim... well played...

[DAB]

I think they've gone on strike because word has just leaked out that STEED's status is also that of a worker.

How would you like being shoehorned into the same category as STEED :rotfl:

What I find hysterical is steed arguing the Socialist cause


Go for it guys. Strike, strike and stay on strike until you get what you want.

STEED is with you. :up:

Up yours labour snob government. :x


Do you know what it is that they actually want. The strikers are trying to fix at an artificially high level a pension of the kind that is almost unheard of in the private sector. And the companies proposals would still keep the pension competative. By all means defend the right to strike Steed, but choose your causes carefully!


What really bloody got my blood boiling what's this Labour Government spokesperson on the CH5 news today saying this strike will cost millions every day there on strike.

GO TO BLOODY HELL YOU PRAT. :x

Government debt and consumer debt is in the billions so I hardly think using the guilt factor is going to work on me you dick head. :hulk:

I am in such a fowl mood today over my council and other on going issues I just had to let off some steam and that news item was the crowning turd on the pie.

Perhaps if you read the Financial Times or watched Channel 4 News, you would realise that the economic damage can be cascading.

No oil production means lack of supply, which drives up costs across the UK, which makes the economy uncompetative, which means that foreign companies source resourses from our competitors, which means that banks get twitchy about the state of the economy and increase interest rates, which worries those of us who own homes and pay taxes who then stop spending, reducing the size of the economy further, which decreases government income and thus government spending, which damages spending.

...which may mean the government having to take on some debt to nip this in the bud... such as temporarily importing the oil from overseas. This means an increase in income tax to cover the debt next year.

But if your in favour of the strike, which you obviously are Steed, then you have thought that through and wont complain when tax's increase next year :D

[STEED]

Perhaps if you read the Financial Times or watched Channel 4 News, you would realise that the economic damage can be cascading.

CH4 news is so wet behind the ears and liberal no thank you. As for the economy so what? People in this country are spinless all they want is there soap operas and booze and they will sit in horese sh*t for the rest of there lives. Hang on, there doing that now! This country is finished.


But if your in favour of the strike, which you obviously are Steed, then you have thought that through and wont complain when tax's increase next year :D

Whats bloody new there DAB old sunshine? We're been screwed up the ass for years by politicians who don't give a toss about you and I, they crap all over us. They the politician can and will continual to rub sh*t in our faces because they know the people of this country are spineless and most don't even vote.

[Konovalov]

Well said DAB. :yep:

[Steel_Tomb]

Funny how no one has mentioned our dear leader, mr gordon brown... who completely f**ked around with the pension schemes when he was in no 11. I support these guys 110%, its about someone actually stood up. The best thing is that most of these guys aren't striking for themselves, but for people who have yet to even join the company. In an age where so many people only care for themselves and not for others I think this is something to be commended, best of luck lads.

[mrbeast]

............... If the UK is practically a socialist nation (except for steed), why are they going on strike? It is already a worker's paradise, so all of the workers should be happy...............

LOL! the UK practically a socialist nation! :rotfl:

[DAB]

Well said DAB. :yep:
Thankyou

CH4 news is so wet behind the ears and liberal no thank you. As for the economy so what? People in this country are spinless all they want is there soap operas and booze and they will sit in horese sh*t for the rest of there lives. Hang on, there doing that now! This country is finished.

Bizzare... the very people you critisise so veremently are the people who decry C4N for the reasons you give. You dispise them for being liberal (which I presume you mean in the American sense because C4N is certainly not liberal in the British sense) but you advocate a news programme that is renowned for focusing on celebs and sensation - which admittedly does explain your bizzare combination of far left views on a number issues, combined with a reactionary ideas of social order.

Takes me back to when I was fourteen and cutting my political teeth sunshine :cool:

Whats bloody new there DAB old sunshine? We're been screwed up the ass for years by politicians who don't give a toss about you and I, they crap all over us. They the politician can and will continual to rub sh*t in our faces because they know the people of this country are spineless and most don't even vote.

Your ignoring my point. Are you willing to accept that there will need to be an increase in taxation to support the cost of the actions you are supporting.

[Jimbuna]

This is starting to get interesting :lol:
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[jumpy]

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It's all you needed to know 10 years ago, but every time they dangle a nice juicy looking carrot and the stupid people in the UK fall over themselves to vote labour ...yet again. It doesn't matter that they don't deliver on promises; voters are like goldfish with their 10 second memory.

On the other hand, this current instalment appear to be doing everything they can to be voted into the shadow cabinet. Kind of like reverse electioneering :doh:
I heard it mentioned that brown has so far spent more on spin doctors than tony. He sure needs it; the 'financial genius' he was hailed as (by some) when occupying no11 seems to have evaporated. Leaving behind a more uncharismatic man you could not find. The man is a walking vacuum made all the more obvious by his position as pm, and the sooner this lot are consigned to the political rubbish tip and labelled for all time as an abject failure, the better.

Re: the price of oil...
from petrolprices.com

UK Petrol Prices for Monday 28th Apr 2008 (pence per litre):
--------------ave----------min---------max
Unleaded:-----110.0p------104.9p------119.9p
Diesel:--------120.2p------109.9p------132.9p
LRP:----------115.0p------108.9p------120.9p
Super:--------116.8p------107.9p------126.9p
LPG:----------56.7p-------48.9p-------59.9p

It's already the case that one of our largest hauliers Eddie Stobart has had to relocate to europe because he cannot compete when having to endure uk fuel prices. Good eh?
Sad fact is everybody is loosing out with this government and will continue to do so. Striking oil refinery workers are just another symptom of the deeper malaise that is labour.

[Kapitan]

here here jumpy its not only the big rich people it hits but us poor people too the people who cant afford the expencive but incredible economical cars the people who dont have £185 so they can put thier cars on the road, the people who cant afford the £3.50 bus fare that takes you three stops to work.

we have all been screwed rich or poor were all now suffering.

[Jimbuna]

here here jumpy its not only the big rich people it hits but us poor people too the people who cant afford the expencive but incredible economical cars the people who dont have £185 so they can put thier cars on the road, the people who cant afford the £3.50 bus fare that takes you three stops to work.

we have all been screwed rich or poor were all now suffering.

There's a lot of mileage in those words (no pun intended). :lol:

[STEED]

e they dangle a nice juicy looking carrot and the stupid people in the UK fall over themselves to vote labour ...yet again. It doesn't matter that they don't deliver on promises; voters are like goldfish with their 10 second memory.

And this is why Gordon Brown will win the general election. People of this country are allowing it to happen, wake up Britain.

USE YOUR VOTE BY VOTING, WRITE TO YOUR COUNCILORS & MP'S BETTER STILL SEE THEM. THEY WORK FOR YOU NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND.

Wake up or stay asleep and let them walk all over you.

And that is my final word.

[DAB]

And that is my final word.

Shame. If you answer my questions we could have quite an interesting debate

[JetSnake]

I've calmed down now after a good patrol on SH3. :lol:

Back on topic.......

Go for it guys. Strike, strike and stay on strike until you get what you want.

STEED is with you. :up:

Up yours labour snob government. :x


The reason I hate unions. The biggest stumbling block to free enterprise.

[Jimbuna]

I've calmed down now after a good patrol on SH3. :lol:

Back on topic.......

Go for it guys. Strike, strike and stay on strike until you get what you want.

STEED is with you. :up:

Up yours labour snob government. :x


The reason I hate unions. The biggest stumbling block to free enterprise.

Of course you do.....let the capitalistic rich folk get richer on the backs of the toil and labour of the working classes. The class incidently that actually create the wealth for the middle and upper classes in the first place.

Let's do away with the unions, then we can strip the working classes of all those who would represent them...do away with the Health and Safety at Work Act, the Employment Relations Act and any other statutory legislation that was designed solely to help those who needed protection from flagrant exploitation in the first place.

Better still, why not go back to the olden days, the days of the Tolpuddle Martyrs, then we can get rid of all the troublesome workers as well.

Hey!!....Wait a minute!!......Who's going to do the work though ? http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/1817/thinkbigsw1yo4.gif

Not the rich, that's for sure http://img397.imageshack.us/img397/7118/nofemaleqj9xl4.gif

[clive bradbury]

[/quote]Hey!!....Wait a minute!!......Who's going to do the work though ?[/quote]

The Poles...and for half the wages...

[XabbaRus]

Unions are needed to protect the workers, but to my mind that is to protect the ones who aren't earning £45000 + a year.

Labour will lose the next election.

[kurtz]

Your ignoring my point. Are you willing to accept that there will need to be an increase in taxation to support the cost of the actions you are supporting.
After seeing the profits posted by Shell and BP (once a nationalised company), I Think the oil industry just might find a bit of loose change behind the sofa to fund pensions.

[DAB]

Your ignoring my point. Are you willing to accept that there will need to be an increase in taxation to support the cost of the actions you are supporting. After seeing the profits posted by Shell and BP (once a nationalised company), I Think the oil industry just might find a bit of loose change behind the sofa to fund pensions.

I was referring to the broader economic damage I outlined before.

[SUBMAN1]

............... If the UK is practically a socialist nation (except for steed), why are they going on strike? It is already a worker's paradise, so all of the workers should be happy...............
LOL! the UK practically a socialist nation! :rotfl:If you knew the definition of Socialism, you would have to agree with that statement! :D That is in response to control of your life of course.

-S

[mrbeast]

............... If the UK is practically a socialist nation (except for steed), why are they going on strike? It is already a worker's paradise, so all of the workers should be happy...............
LOL! the UK practically a socialist nation! :rotfl:If you knew the definition of Socialism, you would have to agree with that statement! :D That is in response to control of your life of course.

-S

Not getting into this again Subman, but what you think socialism is and what the rest of the world understands socialism is are apparently two different things so we'll leave it at that eh?;)

[SUBMAN1]

Not getting into this again Subman, but what you think socialism is and what the rest of the world understands socialism is are apparently two different things so we'll leave it at that eh?;)But can we do this? Of course not! :D That is why we come to subsim is to understand points of view! :p

I'll spare you my opinion, and leave you with a Communists opinion then:

-S

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1571/is_/ai_53349795

Blair's `Third Way' Masks the Same Old, Tired Socialist Thinking

Insight on the News (http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1571), Nov 30, 1998 (http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1571/is_1998_Nov_30) by Balint Vazsonyi (http://findarticles.com/p/search?tb=art&qa=Balint+Vazsonyi)


The wolf sports a brand-new suit of sheep's clothing called the "Third Way." It has been tailored by Prime Minister Tony Blair of Britain, and by President and Mrs. Clinton in the United States. The newly elected chancellor of Germany and the prime minister of France have hastened to add their affirmative vote. Approval from Italy is a foregone conclusion.


"Third Way, Better Way," writes Blair in the Washington Post (Sept. 27). Better than what? There only is confusion as he recalls a profusion of agendas from the recent past. He carefully avoids any mention of political philosophies, let alone principles. He knows why.



We already are drowning in labels forced upon us as much by muddled thinking as by specific agendas. We have accepted as rational that opposite economic, social and "cultural" attitudes may reside within one and the same bosom. Now we are instructed that opposites are bad altogether, that we must all agree to meet "in the center" (the Germans call it the "New Middle"). Thus we shall enter paradise led by men who have at last liberated themselves from all guiding principles and believe in nothing whatsoever. Nothing to vote for, nothing to vote against.


As the years go by, we simply would publish that our leaders have received 93 percent of the vote. That's how they did it in the Soviet empire, which included Hungary where I grew up. It was never 92 or 94 -- always the same number, just like Clinton's job-approval rating.

Come to think, it was back there also that I first heard about the "Third Way." Hard to believe, but the Russian Revolution of 1917 was hailed by many European intellectuals as the "Third Way." No lesser authority than George Lukacs, doyen of communist thinkers in this century, welcomed it thus. Yet his was just one of countless instances during many centuries when third-way rhetoric and labels were deployed to conceal true intent.

Unless a thorough cleanup of all deceptive rhetoric and labels is undertaken, we will be swallowed whole by the wolf. And once the United States has been swallowed, there will be no one left to cut us out of its stomach.


First, "right" and "left." By designating the Third Reich as "right," Soviet propaganda in the 1930s revived use of this dichotomy to conceal the fact that Adolf Hitler's Germany was a socialist state, just like Josef Stalin's Russia. Today, socialists use the same deception to insinuate "Nazi" overtones in the thinking of anyone who believes in this country's founding principles, in God or in the United States as a nation.


Thus the use of "right" and "left" inadvertently promotes the socialist agenda.


Next, "conservative" and "liberal." What, we must ask ourselves, was conservative about America's Founders, to this day the most forward-looking men in history? Why do we accept the preposterous notion that Karl Marx, Friedrich Engels, Lenin and Stalin were more "progressive" -- unless progressive equals "socialist"? And why do we countenance expropriation of the word "liberal" by socialists, as they had done with "liberty" (the official salute of the Bolshevik Party), or "peace" (the battle cry of communists)?


The use of "conservative" and "liberal" helps to conceal the socialist agenda.


Finally, "capitalism" and "socialism." Capitalism was the brainchild of Marx, something to demean and to attack. Serious publications, such as the Encyclopedia Britannica, did not even print such an entry until recent times. In any event, capitalism as defined by Marx simply has not been applicable to American conditions. Our free-enterprise economy is the exact opposite of a rigid class system.


Describing the American way as "capitalism" perpetuates the hoax.
On the other hand, we ought to use "socialism" and "socialist" where appropriate. And it entirely is appropriate to say that the "Third Way" is the new sheep's clothing for that old wolf. Cats have nine lives, but the wolf in our midst has as many lives as it can invent disguises. And its ability to dress up in the attire most suited to the place and time explains its continuing attraction, despite its history of failure upon failure. If expedient, it will validate man's most violent impulses (as in Russia, Germany, China) and just as deftly feign an appeal to the best in us, as in America today.


The proponents of a "Third Way" are Europe's socialists and communists (actually known as such over there), and America's presidential couple, longtime admirers of the European socialist model. And Blair, Mr. Third Way himself, has just given us a practical demonstration. By arresting Chile's Gen. Augusto Pinochet, he has thrown overboard 783 years of British legal tradition, the sole secular source of our mutual liberties.


But above all, the perpetual search for a third way confirms that, for the time being, we have only two. Check your local library. The same two have been defined and redefined countless times. Underneath a profusion of labels, they all derive from the European socialist model on the one side, and its only true opposite: the principles of America's Founding on the other.

Balint Vazsonyi, concert pianist and historian, is author of America's 30 Years War: Who Is Winning? published by Regnery.

[DAB]

Err Subman. I think what MrBeast is trying to tactfully suggest is that the word 'Socialism' means something quite different in American then other varients of English.

For example, try finding a (credible) text that describes Blair as Socialist that hasn't been written by an American. (and no, the British Conservative party website is not an example of a credible source)



...and for the record, a Social Democrat (a more accurate discription of Blair is not the same as a socialist.