N. Koreans Taped At Syrian Reactor

[Happy Times]

Someone has to post this.:)

N. Koreans Taped At Syrian Reactor
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/04/23/AR2008042302906.html?hpid%3Dtopnews&sub=new

White House: Syria reactor not for 'peaceful' purposes
http://edition.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/04/24/syria.nuclear/index.html

VIDEO OF THE REACTOR!

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/24300852#24300852

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[Dowly]

"FROM THE U.S. GOVERNMENT"

Best joke I've seen in a looooong time. :D

[Happy Times]

"FROM THE U.S. GOVERNMENT"

Best joke I've seen in a looooong time. :D

Its really from Israel, and its true.

[DeepIron]

David Albright (http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/related/topic/David+Albright?tid=informline), president of Institute for Science and International Security (ISIS) and a former U.N. (http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/related/topic/United+Nations?tid=informline) weapons inspector, said the absence of such evidence warrants skepticism that the reactor was part of an active weapons program.

"The United States and Israel have not identified any Syrian plutonium separation facilities or nuclear weaponization facilities," he said. "The lack of any such facilities gives little confidence that the reactor is part of an active nuclear weapons program. The apparent lack of fuel, either imported or indigenously produced, also is curious and lowers confidence that Syria has a nuclear weapons program."
If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck... It must be a nuclear weapons facility... :damn:

Its really from Israel, and its true.Oh yeah... THAT makes it credible... :lol:

[Dowly]

"FROM THE U.S. GOVERNMENT"

Best joke I've seen in a looooong time. :D
Its really from Israel, and its true.

Ah, ok then. :up:

[DAB]

It might even have been a news story across the globe if it hadn't been for the curious incident of the weapons of mass destruction in Iraq...

...even if its true, US credibility in this area is shot!

[Happy Times]

David Albright (http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/related/topic/David+Albright?tid=informline), president of Institute for Science and International Security (ISIS) and a former U.N. (http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/related/topic/United+Nations?tid=informline) weapons inspector, said the absence of such evidence warrants skepticism that the reactor was part of an active weapons program.

"The United States and Israel have not identified any Syrian plutonium separation facilities or nuclear weaponization facilities," he said. "The lack of any such facilities gives little confidence that the reactor is part of an active nuclear weapons program. The apparent lack of fuel, either imported or indigenously produced, also is curious and lowers confidence that Syria has a nuclear weapons program."
If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck... It must be a nuclear weapons facility... :damn:

Exactly, why else would they build a reactor in the middle of desert in secret. The scientists could be angry they didnt get to go and do an inspection. The other facilities could be anywhere in Syria. This could also be disinformation toward the Syrians.;)

[Happy Times]

David Albright (http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/related/topic/David+Albright?tid=informline), president of Institute for Science and International Security (ISIS) and a former U.N. (http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/related/topic/United+Nations?tid=informline) weapons inspector, said the absence of such evidence warrants skepticism that the reactor was part of an active weapons program.

"The United States and Israel have not identified any Syrian plutonium separation facilities or nuclear weaponization facilities," he said. "The lack of any such facilities gives little confidence that the reactor is part of an active nuclear weapons program. The apparent lack of fuel, either imported or indigenously produced, also is curious and lowers confidence that Syria has a nuclear weapons program."
If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck... It must be a nuclear weapons facility... :damn:

Its really from Israel, and its true.Oh yeah... THAT makes it credible... :lol:

So what do you think it is? A warehouse?

[DeepIron]

Exactly, why else would they build a reactor in the middle of desert in secret. A. Because they can.
B. To keep the Americans from declaring another "WMD Event" and thereby launching YAW (Yet Another War) against a "terrorist state".
C. Give the Israeli Intelligence and Military something to do besides wipe out Palestinians...
D. Insert favorite "terrorists with nukes" fear here.

So what do you think it is? A warehouse?
Right now, it appeared to be a.... building.

Do you know FOR SURE what it was? Outside of what the government and media tell you, you don't know anymore than anyone else.

[Dowly]

Outside of what the government and media tell you, you don't know anymore than anyone else.

:up:

[Happy Times]

Exactly, why else would they build a reactor in the middle of desert in secret.
A. Because they can.
B. To keep the Americans from declaring another "WMD Event" and thereby launching YAW (Yet Another War) against a "terrorist state".
C. Give the Israeli Intelligence and Military something to do besides wipe out Palestinians...
D. Insert favorite "terrorists with nukes" fear here.

Are you serious?

[DeepIron]

Exactly, why else would they build a reactor in the middle of desert in secret. A. Because they can.
B. To keep the Americans from declaring another "WMD Event" and thereby launching YAW (Yet Another War) against a "terrorist state".
C. Give the Israeli Intelligence and Military something to do besides wipe out Palestinians...
D. Insert favorite "terrorists with nukes" fear here.
Are you serious?
Are you? Just because the Israeli's or the US "says" it was "not intended for peaceful use" doesn't mean it's true. Where are the rest of the processing facilities?

A covert nuclear reactor destroyed last year in Syria would have been capable of producing plutonium and probably was "not intended for peaceful purposes," the White House said Thursday.The operative word here is "probably", same word that got us involved in Iraq "probable WMDs"... There is NO hard evidence AT ALL to prove that this facility was intended to produce plutonium. NONE. NADA. ZIP.

But senior intelligence officials later said they had only low confidence that the facility was meant to build nuclear weapons.'nuff said...

[Happy Times]

Exactly, why else would they build a reactor in the middle of desert in secret. A. Because they can.
B. To keep the Americans from declaring another "WMD Event" and thereby launching YAW (Yet Another War) against a "terrorist state".
C. Give the Israeli Intelligence and Military something to do besides wipe out Palestinians...
D. Insert favorite "terrorists with nukes" fear here.

So what do you think it is? A warehouse?
Right now, it appeared to be a.... building.

Do you know FOR SURE what it was? Outside of what the government and media tell you, you don't know anymore than anyone else.

Funny thing, when the first rumors of the bombing came last year, only the region where the bombing happened was told. So i took a look in google Google Earth, i found the reactor in 30min and put an needle in it. Its THAT obvious. I now that truth wont penetrate your tinfoil hat, so i wont make a real effort.

[August]

I now that truth wont penetrate your tinfoil hat, so i wont make a real effort.

:rotfl:

[caspofungin]

happy times, arbiter of truth.

maybe it was, maybe it wasn't. we can't depend on eithe side to tell us the truth, only their version of events.

[Dowly]

A super top secret "non peaceful" nuclear facility visible by anyone on google earth, interesting :hmm:

Why wouldnt it be? ;)

[Happy Times]

A super top secret "non peaceful" nuclear facility visible by anyone on google earth, interesting :hmm:

Thats how North Koreans made theirs.:p They tried to make it look like something else, didnt you look at the video? Seems that its US and Israel that makes the axis of evil to every commie and bleeding heart liberal.

[DeepIron]

Seems that its US and Israel that makes the axis of evil to every commie and bleeding heart liberal.<yawn>

Same old tired, worn out argument... If you don't see it my way, your evidently a <insert derisive comment> here...

[Happy Times]

Seems that its US and Israel that makes the axis of evil to every commie and bleeding heart liberal.<yawn>

Its true, you want that North Korea and Syria can build these things, dont you?:p
US and Israel are EVIL!:rotfl:

[caspofungin]

the other side of the coin is, why are you so quick to believe everything they tell you?

[DeepIron]

Seems that its US and Israel that makes the axis of evil to every commie and bleeding heart liberal.<yawn>
Its true, you want that North Korea and Syria can build these things, dont you?:p
US and Israel are EVIL!:rotfl:
You're side-stepping the issue. The point is that Syria built something that had a remarkable simularity to the N. Korean facility. That there were N. Koreans involved, blah, blah, blah... Ok, fine. The "briefing" video on MSNBC was quite convincing...

SO, instead of getting the UN involved and trying to resolve the issue diplomatically, Israel took in upon themselves to bomb the structure, on Syrian land, and the US just stood by...

So what makes either the action taken by Israel or the inaction of the US any better?

Now, tell me HT, who's wearing not only a tin hat, but blinders as well? Not me....

[Happy Times]

the other side of the coin is, why are you so quick to believe everything they tell you?

I dont believe everything i read by anyone, this case is just certain with no doubt.
There was as an reactor, very likely a North Korean. We dont know what the exact plan was and other possible facilities, so i wont speculate from beyond that. There is btw another interesting facility close to this one. 35°42'2.79"N 39°53'25.16"E
The reactor is/was at, 35°42'24.29"N 39°49'44.51"E

[Happy Times]

Seems that its US and Israel that makes the axis of evil to every commie and bleeding heart liberal.<yawn>
Its true, you want that North Korea and Syria can build these things, dont you?:p
US and Israel are EVIL!:rotfl:
You're side-stepping the issue. The point is that Syria built something that had a remarkable simularity to the N. Korean facility. That there were N. Koreans involved, blah, blah, blah... Ok, fine. The "briefing" video on MSNBC was quite convincing...

SO, instead of getting the UN involved and trying to resolve the issue diplomatically, Israel took in upon themselves to bomb the structure, on Syrian land, and the US just stood by...

So what makes either the action taken by Israel or the inaction of the US any better?

Now, tell me HT, who's wearing not only a tin hat, but blinders as well? Not me....

Well Syrian have financed terrorists that have killed Israeli, US and other Western citizens. Has the Iranian program been stopped by diplomacy? I think they have the right to bomb when a terrorist sponsoring dictatorship want to make nuclear weapons. It even makes me happy.:D No brainer for me, maybe you see the world differently.

[mrbeast]

Seems that its US and Israel that makes the axis of evil to every commie and bleeding heart liberal.<yawn>
Its true, you want that North Korea and Syria can build these things, dont you?:p
US and Israel are EVIL!:rotfl:
You're side-stepping the issue. The point is that Syria built something that had a remarkable simularity to the N. Korean facility. That there were N. Koreans involved, blah, blah, blah... Ok, fine. The "briefing" video on MSNBC was quite convincing...

SO, instead of getting the UN involved and trying to resolve the issue diplomatically, Israel took in upon themselves to bomb the structure, on Syrian land, and the US just stood by...

So what makes either the action taken by Israel or the inaction of the US any better?

Now, tell me HT, who's wearing not only a tin hat, but blinders as well? Not me....

Well Syrian have financed terrorists that have killed Israeli, US and other Western citizens. Has the Iranian program been stopped by diplomacy? I think they have the right to bomb when a terrorist sponsoring dictatorship want to make nuclear weapons. It even makes me happy.:D No brainer for me, maybe you see the world differently.

Therefore, by the same rational Syria would have the right to bomb Isreal's nuclear program?

BTW its probably a good thing that many many people see the world a different way than you. :hmm:

[Happy Times]

Seems that its US and Israel that makes the axis of evil to every commie and bleeding heart liberal.<yawn>
Its true, you want that North Korea and Syria can build these things, dont you?:p
US and Israel are EVIL!:rotfl:
You're side-stepping the issue. The point is that Syria built something that had a remarkable simularity to the N. Korean facility. That there were N. Koreans involved, blah, blah, blah... Ok, fine. The "briefing" video on MSNBC was quite convincing...

SO, instead of getting the UN involved and trying to resolve the issue diplomatically, Israel took in upon themselves to bomb the structure, on Syrian land, and the US just stood by...

So what makes either the action taken by Israel or the inaction of the US any better?

Now, tell me HT, who's wearing not only a tin hat, but blinders as well? Not me....

Well Syrian have financed terrorists that have killed Israeli, US and other Western citizens. Has the Iranian program been stopped by diplomacy? I think they have the right to bomb when a terrorist sponsoring dictatorship want to make nuclear weapons. It even makes me happy.:D No brainer for me, maybe you see the world differently.

Therefore, by the same rational Syria woul have the right to bomb Isreal's nuclear program?

BTW it probably a good thing that many many people see the world a different way than you. :hmm:

Syria is a dictatorship, Israel is a democracy, how can you compare the two?
Btw, your wiew of the world is naive, ignorant and dangerous.

[PeriscopeDepth]

Seems that its US and Israel that makes the axis of evil to every commie and bleeding heart liberal.<yawn>
Its true, you want that North Korea and Syria can build these things, dont you?:p
US and Israel are EVIL!:rotfl:
You're side-stepping the issue. The point is that Syria built something that had a remarkable simularity to the N. Korean facility. That there were N. Koreans involved, blah, blah, blah... Ok, fine. The "briefing" video on MSNBC was quite convincing...

SO, instead of getting the UN involved and trying to resolve the issue diplomatically, Israel took in upon themselves to bomb the structure, on Syrian land, and the US just stood by...

So what makes either the action taken by Israel or the inaction of the US any better?

Now, tell me HT, who's wearing not only a tin hat, but blinders as well? Not me....
Well Syrian have financed terrorists that have killed Israeli, US and other Western citizens. Has the Iranian program been stopped by diplomacy? I think they have the right to bomb when a terrorist sponsoring dictatorship want to make nuclear weapons. It even makes me happy.:D No brainer for me, maybe you see the world differently.
Therefore, by the same rational Syria would have the right to bomb Isreal's nuclear program?

BTW its probably a good thing that many many people see the world a different way than you. :hmm:
Don't think for a second international politics has come so far as to include ethics and philosophy.

PD

[Happy Times]

A super top secret "non peaceful" nuclear facility visible by anyone on google earth, interesting :hmm:

Heres North Koreas "super top secret "non peaceful" nuclear facility visible by anyone on google earth".

http://www.space.com/php/video/player.php?video_id=051007YongByon

[Skybird]

Although nobody official spoke out after Israel's strike, it more and more became kind of an open secret that they struck a nuclear site that was raised with Northkorean help, or am I wrong? So, there is little need to become hot on this issue, I think. That the IAF did not chase rabbits was clear, I suppose.

[mrbeast]

Seems that its US and Israel that makes the axis of evil to every commie and bleeding heart liberal.<yawn>
Its true, you want that North Korea and Syria can build these things, dont you?:p
US and Israel are EVIL!:rotfl:
You're side-stepping the issue. The point is that Syria built something that had a remarkable simularity to the N. Korean facility. That there were N. Koreans involved, blah, blah, blah... Ok, fine. The "briefing" video on MSNBC was quite convincing...

SO, instead of getting the UN involved and trying to resolve the issue diplomatically, Israel took in upon themselves to bomb the structure, on Syrian land, and the US just stood by...

So what makes either the action taken by Israel or the inaction of the US any better?

Now, tell me HT, who's wearing not only a tin hat, but blinders as well? Not me....

Well Syrian have financed terrorists that have killed Israeli, US and other Western citizens. Has the Iranian program been stopped by diplomacy? I think they have the right to bomb when a terrorist sponsoring dictatorship want to make nuclear weapons. It even makes me happy.:D No brainer for me, maybe you see the world differently.

Therefore, by the same rational Syria woul have the right to bomb Isreal's nuclear program?

BTW it probably a good thing that many many people see the world a different way than you. :hmm:

Syria is a dictatorship, Israel is a democracy, how can you compare the two?
Btw, your wiew of the world is naive, ignorant and dangerous.

Imaterial.

Syria is a soveriegn state just as Israel.

Whatever form of government Syria or Israel has is totally irrelevant to the point being made, I'm not comparing which is the nicer country to live in, although to many palestinians and Israeli arabs, Israelis hardly a bed of roses.

Israel is the most aggresive state in the middle east. It has a nuclear program and that is not just hear say, its fact. It also supports the illegal occupation of palestinian territory by Jewish setters, it daily breaches inernational law and it has failed to comply with a list of UN resolutions as long as your arm!

Your simplistic black and white 'goodies and badies' view of the world is what is naive, ignorant and above all the most dangerous.

[Happy Times]

Seems that its US and Israel that makes the axis of evil to every commie and bleeding heart liberal.<yawn>
Its true, you want that North Korea and Syria can build these things, dont you?:p
US and Israel are EVIL!:rotfl:
You're side-stepping the issue. The point is that Syria built something that had a remarkable simularity to the N. Korean facility. That there were N. Koreans involved, blah, blah, blah... Ok, fine. The "briefing" video on MSNBC was quite convincing...

SO, instead of getting the UN involved and trying to resolve the issue diplomatically, Israel took in upon themselves to bomb the structure, on Syrian land, and the US just stood by...

So what makes either the action taken by Israel or the inaction of the US any better?

Now, tell me HT, who's wearing not only a tin hat, but blinders as well? Not me....

Well Syrian have financed terrorists that have killed Israeli, US and other Western citizens. Has the Iranian program been stopped by diplomacy? I think they have the right to bomb when a terrorist sponsoring dictatorship want to make nuclear weapons. It even makes me happy.:D No brainer for me, maybe you see the world differently.

Therefore, by the same rational Syria woul have the right to bomb Isreal's nuclear program?

BTW it probably a good thing that many many people see the world a different way than you. :hmm:

Syria is a dictatorship, Israel is a democracy, how can you compare the two?
Btw, your wiew of the world is naive, ignorant and dangerous.

Imaterial.

Syria is a soveriegn state just as Israel.

Whatever form of government Syria or Israel has is totally irrelevant to the point being made, I'm not comparing which is the nicer country to live in, although to many palestinians and Israeli arabs, Israelis hardly a bed of roses.

Israel is the most aggresive state in the middle east. It has a nuclear program and that is not just hear say, its fact. It also supports the illegal occupation of palestinian territory by Jewish setters, it daily breaches inernational law and it has failed to comply with a list of UN resolutions as long as your arm!

Your simplistic black and white 'goodies and badies' view of the world is what is naive, ignorant and above all the most dangerous.

Would there be agression by Israel if arabs stopped the terror?
Would there be agression by the arabs if Israel stopped hitting back?
Thats the difference between a democracy and murderous regime or a terrorist group.
If you cant see this your living in La La Land.

[Tchocky]

By all means continue this spirited exchange, but if either of ye quote that massive f*cker again I'll send Dick Cheney after you.

[Happy Times]

You're missing the point, we're talking about a bombed building, I'm pretty sure that no Israelis were harmed in the process. By the way Syria does much more harm to Arabs in Lebanon than to Israel, but they're just "arabs" with a low case "a" :)

So supporting and arming Hizbollah, HAMAS and Islamic Jihad, that want to wipe Israel of the map, isnt harming Israel?
So when they try to start making plutonium, Israel shouldnt assume its directed against them?
Sorry, it doesnt make sense.

[mrbeast]

Would there be agression by Israel if arabs stopped the terror?
Would there be agression by the arabs if Israel stopped hitting back?

No doubt there are some Palestinians and Arabs who will never accept Israel's existance, and will continue to attempt to destroy it. Vice versa there are Israelis who will not accept that Israel should reamain inside its borders and cease to occupy palestinian land.

If Israel dismantled its settlements and accepted the 1967 borders as the UN has asked it to do then it would draw much of the poison out of the whole situation and lend Israel a degree of moral authority that it has lacked for the last 40 years.

Thats the difference between a democracy and murderous regime or a terrorist group.
If you cant see this your living in La La Land.

You don't seem to understand that democracies are also capable of commiting terrorist acts, aggresive acts and oppressing people. Israel more so than most. As a state Israel was founded upon terrorism, just Google 'King David Hotel', IIRC the worst case of terrorism commited in palestine.

[Happy Times]

Would there be agression by Israel if arabs stopped the terror?
Would there be agression by the arabs if Israel stopped hitting back?

No doubt there are some Palestinians and Arabs who will never accept Israel's existance, and will continue to attempt to destroy it. Vice versa there are Israelis who will not accept that Israel should reamain inside its borders and cease to occupy palestinian land.

If Israel dismantled its settlements and accepted the 1967 borders as the UN has asked it to do then it would draw much of the poison out of the whole situation and lend Israel a degree of moral authority that it has lacked for the last 40 years.

Thats the difference between a democracy and murderous regime or a terrorist group.
If you cant see this your living in La La Land.

You don't seem to understand that democracies are also capable of commiting terrorist acts, aggresive acts and oppressing people. Israel more so than most. As a state Israel was founded upon terrorism, just Google 'King David Hotel', IIRC the worst case of terrorism commited in palestine.

Says you, to me they have the morale highground. But im sure thats not what they worry about, when they try to keep their citizens safe from attacks.
So Israel should go back to 67 borders even if the attacks wouldnt stop?
Kinda high price to pay, to gain moral authority in your eyes.
All democracies take measures and defend themself when they are under attack.
Yes, the bombing where the bombers were trying to drive civilians away from the bomb. Im not saying it was right but that is fact also.

[bradclark1]

Are you? Just because the Israeli's or the US "says" it was "not intended for peaceful use" doesn't mean it's true. Where are the rest of the processing facilities?

Don't know one way or the other which type of reactor it was (do they even say?) but there are two types of reactors. Is the Syrian reactor just a light-water nuclear reactor? If it was it shouldn't have been bombed. If their reactor was a heavy water reactor capable of producing weapons-grade plutonium are you going to take their word they won't start a weapons program? My trust of Arab countries is nonexistent. The U.S. doesn't know where all Iran's processing facilities are so if Syria has/had better security....

[Tchocky]

Syria had no method of acquiring fuel for the reactor, and if they did they were ten years away from gaining any sort of bomb fuel. Hmm.

[PeriscopeDepth]

Any two bit dictator state that feels like it may be/is threatened by the United States IS going to pursue nuclear weapons as long as they have the money/means. Because they all recognize by now that their conventional military will be nothing but a speed bump to the US military. It is just a fact of life and something that will have (and has been) to enter into the calculus of national security.

You can say that WMD triggered Saddam's fall, but I think that was preordained and had little to do with WMD. Look at North Korea. The world saw them test a bomb for all to see. And what did they get? Carrots, not sticks.

PD

[August]

Look at North Korea. The world saw them test a bomb for all to see. And what did they get? Carrots, not sticks.

PD

Yeah but NK has their big Chinese brother on their northern border keeping the sticks from being used.

[PeriscopeDepth]

Look at North Korea. The world saw them test a bomb for all to see. And what did they get? Carrots, not sticks.

PD
Yeah but NK has their big Chinese brother on their northern border keeping the sticks from being used.
I think the millions of men (and masses of artillery within range of Seoul) they station along the DMZ may also have had something to do with it ;). They wouldn't have to try very hard to ruin a pretty huge portion of the world economy. And as long as you at least pretend to cooperate with the IAEA, we won't be coming after you militarily. This is certainly true of Iran, and to a much lesser extent Syria. And in the name of "regional stability" (read economic in most cases), I have no doubt other states will be able to acquire a nuclear capability without too much of a problem.

PD

[bradclark1]

Syria had no method of acquiring fuel for the reactor, and if they did they were ten years away from gaining any sort of bomb fuel. Hmm.
Neither did Israel, Korea or Pakistan? Wait until year 9 before doing anything? If you have a heavy water reactor it's not to roast potatoes.

[August]

I think the millions of men (and masses of artillery within range of Seoul) they station along the DMZ may also have had something to do with it ;).

Bah, Saddams much vaunted 4th largest army in the world also looked impressive just before Swartzkopf chopped them to pieces. I think the South Koreans would go through them like butter, especially with our backing. China is the key.

They wouldn't have to try very hard to ruin a pretty huge portion of the
world economy.

Nothing that wouldn't be survivable but again most of that would depend on Chinas reaction.

And as long as you at least pretend to cooperate with the IAEA, we won't be coming after you militarily. This is certainly true of Iran, and to a much lesser extent Syria. And in the name of "regional stability" (read economic in most cases), I have no doubt other states will be able to acquire a nuclear capability without too much of a problem.

Here we agree. I fear that as more nations acquire a nuclear capability the likelyhood of someone detonating a nuke in anger somewhere increases as well. What will we do then?

[PeriscopeDepth]

[quote]Bah, Saddams much vaunted 4th largest army in the world also looked impressive just before Swartzkopf chopped them to pieces. I think the South Koreans would go through them like butter, especially with our backing. I agree that in a prolonged conflict, there is no doubt who'd be the victor. But this is different. Minutes from the say so, artillery shells would be raining on Seoul. This isn't to speak of all the other nasty things the NKs could do. I don't doubt the economic damage could be withstood in the long term, but I think we have a very low pain threshold economically speaking these days. It would hurt. And we will not bomb a nuclear installation in Korea for exactly this reason.

China is the key. Agreed, but to a point. Things would get awfully tough(er) for North Korea without the Chinese propping them up with the free food, fuel, and other stuff. But that being said, China doesn't control North Korea's destiny. Commie dictator and Company do. Not the most sensible of folks. China is playing for regional stability, that is as far as their interest in North Korea goes.

Nothing that wouldn't be survivable but again most of that would depend on Chinas reaction. Of course it would be survivable. It's just how much the current politicos are willing to put up with. And in current conditions, not much I'd say. EG: we aren't beating on Iran anytime soon, because (among other reasons) god knows how far up gas would go with a tanker or two mysteriously exploding in the Persian Gulf.

Here we agree. I fear that as more nations acquire a nuclear capability the likelyhood of someone detonating a nuke in anger somewhere increases as well. What will we do then? I think the answer to that is: it depends :). But yes, scarily/sadly enough a nuclear exchange in the future is almost inevitable.

EDIT: And by the way, by "depend on Chinas reaction", are you implying a military reaction by China? China will not be bleeding for North Korea again anytime in the foreseeable future. As I said, they just want to avoid a $hit storm in the region.

PD

[baggygreen]

I think theres a lotta people who are blindly opposing certain leaders, govt, etc because its the trendy thing to do.

there are countless posts dating back with 'show us proof' of wmd stuff, yada yada.

here, we have proof, but you still cry foul? here is evidence of a reactor, and lets face it who in the world would honestly feel perfectly safe knowing that syria was running nuclear reactors, and was receiving help from the north koreans who we all know has nukes....? I wouldnt.

To me, it seems like even when you're offered proof, you blindly reject it.

i'll put in a disclaimer that 'you' isnt aimed at anyone rather a generic term for seemingly 3/4 of the world atm...:know:

[Steel_Tomb]

One reason Israel has lost faith in the international community is because of its previous experiences with it. When Saddam was building the nuclear plant the Isareli's voiced their concern to its purpose. The international community just ignored their worries, so they took it upon themselves to solve the issue themselves. It was later revealed by a senior scientist who escaped from Iraq that the plant was NOT for peaceful means, and was for the research/construction of WMD's.

Has it also not been thought that the nuclear fuel could have been bought from Iran? I mean why would they produce a nuclear plant if they had no fuel for it???

The yanks and Israeli's are not perfect by any means, but I would trust them a lot more than these greedy, backstabbing arab states. Syria is up to something I think, and I would bet that its not peaceful.

In the middle of a desert, where the sun shines 90% of the time... would it not be better to pursue solar/wind energy? Would be a lot cheaper than pursuing nuclear power. Would also remove the great big "shoot me" sticker that the middle east seems to love slapping on everything it owns at the moment.

[August]

EDIT: And by the way, by "depend on Chinas reaction", are you implying a military reaction by China? China will not be bleeding for North Korea again anytime in the foreseeable future. As I said, they just want to avoid a $hit storm in the region.

PD

I think they'd fight PD, although they might call the troops they send "volunteers" like they did in 1950.

[PeriscopeDepth]

EDIT: And by the way, by "depend on Chinas reaction", are you implying a military reaction by China? China will not be bleeding for North Korea again anytime in the foreseeable future. As I said, they just want to avoid a $hit storm in the region.

PD
I think they'd fight PD, although they might call the troops they send "volunteers" like they did in 1950.
I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree, evolved forum goers that we are. :)

PD

[August]

I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree, evolved forum goers that we are. :)

PD

The thing is i'd prefer that you were right in this case... :up:

[baggygreen]

EDIT: And by the way, by "depend on Chinas reaction", are you implying a military reaction by China? China will not be bleeding for North Korea again anytime in the foreseeable future. As I said, they just want to avoid a $hit storm in the region.

PD
I think they'd fight PD, although they might call the troops they send "volunteers" like they did in 1950.I too would like to think China would steer clear, but i think its a given they'd love to donate some of their equipment to test against the US developed weapons. And of course you can't test something properly unless you have the properly trained men to operate it....

theyd love to see the us get a bloody nose, simple as that

[bradclark1]

N.Korea is a buffer zone. I don't think China is ready to let that go away yet.

[Stealth Hunter]

Exactly, why else would they build a reactor in the middle of desert in secret.
A. Because they can.
B. To keep the Americans from declaring another "WMD Event" and thereby launching YAW (Yet Another War) against a "terrorist state".
C. Give the Israeli Intelligence and Military something to do besides wipe out Palestinians...
D. Insert favorite "terrorists with nukes" fear here.

Are you serious?

I believe the better question is: "Are you serious?"

[Stealth Hunter]

stupid people can't reign on a country for almost 40 years.

Can we adjust that statement to fit the United States' situation with George W.?

[August]

stupid people can't reign on a country for almost 40 years.
Can we adjust that statement to fit the United States' situation with George W.?

Haven't you packed up and left for greener pastures yet?

[Stealth Hunter]

stupid people can't reign on a country for almost 40 years.
Can we adjust that statement to fit the United States' situation with George W.?

Haven't you packed up and left for greener pastures yet?

Figured I'd wait around until November when the essence of change is in the air.

[Happy Times]

Exactly, why else would they build a reactor in the middle of desert in secret.
A. Because they can.
B. To keep the Americans from declaring another "WMD Event" and thereby launching YAW (Yet Another War) against a "terrorist state".
C. Give the Israeli Intelligence and Military something to do besides wipe out Palestinians...
D. Insert favorite "terrorists with nukes" fear here.

Are you serious?

I believe the better question is: "Are you serious?"

Yes.
Btw, are you going back to Iran and fight, when they start to bomb it to stone age and destroy its medieval culture?

[Skybird]

Are comments like this needed? ;)

[August]

stupid people can't reign on a country for almost 40 years.
Can we adjust that statement to fit the United States' situation with George W.?
Haven't you packed up and left for greener pastures yet?
Figured I'd wait around until November when the essence of change is in the air.

Change? Is someone else running besides the other three clones? :D

[PeriscopeDepth]

http://geimint.blogspot.com/2008/04/syria-and-north-korea-nuclear-partners.html