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Whats the old S-class sub like? I loved the Type II in SH3 so I figure I may want to try the old sub in SH4 too. ANy info would be great!! :up:
It is exactly what you would expect it to be
Its small, rusty, claustrophobic, obsolete and held together with sticky tape.
All the qualities that made the type II so popular :up:
haha awesome! i dont know why i like old military equipment better then new stuff.
anyone else got stories of the S-Class?? :hmm:
kylesplanet
04-21-08, 03:04 PM
Well they're slow on the surface, in real life they were either ovens or freezers depending on where you were operating. It takes forever to charge the batteries and while charging, you run on one prop and if your in a hurry, too bad. They had constant problems with the sewage backing up into the ship (they're not called pig boats for nothing) and they are held together with rivets so your crush depth is not so good.
On the good side of things, they dive very fast and they're pretty quick submerged, just not for very long plus I think they look really cool.
In real life, any skipper with any sense would have begged to not get an S Boat but in SH4, they can be kinda fun for a while.
BTW: They only used the MK10 torpedo. It packed less punch than the MK14 but was more reliable.
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thanks for the pic nuc! :o
Raptor1
04-21-08, 04:53 PM
As much as the Sugar Boats we're obsolete, outdated, weak, and uncomfortable, some of them we're successful (Look at the S-44 for example)
gimpy117
04-21-08, 10:01 PM
do any survive??
do any survive??
No, they were all scrapped after the war ended.
gimpy117
04-21-08, 10:52 PM
too bad
SteveW1
04-22-08, 02:54 AM
There old and slow but a hell of a lot of Fun to play with, sit around the Makassar Strait (spelling?) and you will sink tons of ships in one.:D
Charlielima
04-23-08, 10:54 PM
Rose Started a really bitchin thread about the S-44. Link@ http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=127459&highlight=s-44
I was so stoked with the pictures I snivelled for bearded Chiefs in dungurees and didn't patrol in nothing else for quite awhile of playing this sim. CL
joegrundman
04-23-08, 11:50 PM
To really enjoy them you should play without using the PK too :D
i notice there is two s-types. s-18 and s-44. what are the differences between the two classes? i just started a career in an S-18 and its a beautiful old boat! :rock:
i notice there is two s-types. s-18 and s-44. what are the differences between the two classes? i just started a career in an S-18 and its a beautiful old boat! :rock:
S-18 and S-42. :)
In the stock game there is not much difference, other than the placement of the AA gun. In RFB, things like the date radar becomes available are very distinct for both boats. S-18s only got SJ radar, while S-42s got both, but not until the summer of '43.
i notice there is two s-types. s-18 and s-44. what are the differences between the two classes? i just started a career in an S-18 and its a beautiful old boat! :rock:
S-18 and S-42. :)
In the stock game there is not much difference, other than the placement of the AA gun. In RFB, things like the date radar becomes available are very distinct for both boats. S-18s only got SJ radar, while S-42s got both, but not until the summer of '43.
Just to add regarding the actual boats: Historically the S Class evolved considerably over its production. There are various groupings or subclasses depending on differing criteria. U.S. Submarines Through 1945: An Illustrated Design History (http://www.amazon.com/U-S-Submarines-Through-1945-Illustrated/dp/1557502633/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1209385987&sr=8-1)by Norman Friedman is probably the most authoritative source but the wikipedia page is prettty good.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_S_class_submarine
Schroeder
04-28-08, 08:41 AM
It seems the crew had a lot more space than in German submarines.:o
DavyJonesFootlocker
04-28-08, 10:53 AM
I like the S-boats. The Mk. 10s have a better kill-rate than any other torp type in the game. In fact I got more tonnage in that boat than any other.
awesome. I will stick with the S-18 for a while. The worst thing about the boat is the horrid battery. It takes half a day to recharge 25% of the battery power. But its alot of fun.
What is the next step up? THe Tortoise and Salmon??:hmm:
Schroeder
04-28-08, 05:32 PM
Porpoise as far as I know.:cool:
I personly like the little thing!I've spent most of my time in one due to the fact I always start a game like this in the simplest thing i can.
NOTE TO ALL:do not go below 200 feet,it doesn't like to go that deep..(Hell it creeks something firece at 165 feet!)
Hartmann
04-30-08, 04:56 PM
It seems the crew had a lot more space than in German submarines.:o
yes , a lot of space, also the load of torpedoes is a lot better than in a type II boat
DavyJonesFootlocker
05-01-08, 08:18 AM
The only this with S-boats is they submerge to P-depth real slow like 4 minutes. Due to diverate mod.
The only this with S-boats is they submerge to P-depth real slow like 4 minutes. Due to diverate mod.
Use the Dive command, not the Periscope Depth one.
even better crash dive follow by periscope depth
Dakar23
05-02-08, 11:29 AM
What about the S-33? The Americans used it as a covert op to steal a German Enigma machine. But the resuply sub sunk it so the American's boareded the U-571 and....wait a sec. I thnk that's a movie. NM :D
DavyJonesFootlocker
05-02-08, 11:54 AM
Ah, yes, dive or crash dive. Thanks.
One of the coolest things to do in an S-Boat is to shoot the historic way, i.e. without TDC :|\\ I calculate the target speed and AOB, then use my Submarine Attack course finder to calculate the proper course for my sub to be perpendicular to the target's track, and then use the reverse side of the ruler to get the lead angle. It's an amazing experience when you hit something like this :D
Syxx_Killer
05-03-08, 01:28 PM
One of the coolest things to do in an S-Boat is to shoot the historic way, i.e. without TDC :|\\ I calculate the target speed and AOB, then use my Submarine Attack course finder to calculate the proper course for my sub to be perpendicular to the target's track, and then use the reverse side of the ruler to get the lead angle. It's an amazing experience when you hit something like this :D
You must be good. Using the TDC is hard enough. Doing it the old way would make my head explode. :oops::lol:
joegrundman
05-03-08, 10:40 PM
Not at all, it's easy. And in fact, when i really don't want to miss, and i have plenty of time, i turn off the PK and do it the old way even with a Gato.
This World War 1 approach is more or less what O'Kane did anyway, and i think it's essentially how the British did it too.
The (marginal) advantage of doing it this way over the Rockin Robbins version is that you can fire with a torpedo gyro of 000, which is helpful at higher speed targets. the disadvntage of this method is that you have to have made the SACF - without it, it doesn't work unless you are really quick with trigonometry!
Certainly, rotating a wheel on a slide rule in order to read off speed, and rotating a wheel on teh TDC to send speed is roughy an equal challenge in terms of difficulty.
Edit: I still use the PK as a tracker (when i'm not playing an S-boat) to get course and speed, but then I'd turn it off for the attack phase if i'm using this method
You must be good. Using the TDC is hard enough. Doing it the old way would make my head explode. :oops::lol:
No, it's quite the opposite, in fact it is easier :) . The main problem you have is not the firing solution, but the fact that your submarine is severely limited in maneuvering until you shoot, i.e. if you change course to avoid an escort your firing solution is broken :88)
S-18 and S-42. :)
In the stock game there is not much difference, other than the placement of the AA gun. In RFB, things like the date radar becomes available are very distinct for both boats. S-18s only got SJ radar, while S-42s got both, but not until the summer of '43.
When do the S-boats get AA? In 1942 with my S-42 and I still just have the deck gun.
Charlielima
05-18-08, 09:16 PM
I got the AA gun on my sugar boat. I'm not sure what year but it was so far thru the war that easily a 1/4 or third of my crew were chiefs. I patched up my sim and lost my campaign and the S-46 goat locker too. CL
When do the S-boats get AA? In 1942 with my S-42 and I still just have the deck gun.
S-18s: November 1942
S-42s: June 1943
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