Obama thinks we all cling to guns and religion

[SUBMAN1]

Obama - classic. Not the man you want as President when this is what he thinks of some of the poorer people. Maybe Hillary has a chance after all:

Quote: "You go into some of these small towns in Pennsylvania, and like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing's replaced them. And they fell through the Clinton administration, and the Bush administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not. So it's not surprising then that they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion, or antipathy to people who aren't like them, or anti-immigrant sentiment, or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."
Uhh anyway.... That to me sounds like his idea of the way forward is to remove guns, and remove religion since those things are clearly for the oppressed and weak who have nothing else. Scary. Add in there that he thinks disarming America is a good idea: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dl32Y7wDVDs

Scary times for this country, thats for sure.

I guess he got one thing right, his comments make me want to cling to guns and religion since the Nazi police are coming if he ever gets elected.

-S

[Platapus]

Subman, I have to hand it to you, you are consistent. :lol:

[Kapitan_Phillips]

lol. "Nazi police"

[AVGWarhawk]

I heard this today on the car radio as I was on my way to church and the gun club following mass.

The statement by Obama about clinging to guns and religion will get him buried. As he so aptly pointed out, his white grandmother was afraid to walk past a black man on the street because of stereotypes of black men being thugs (50 cent is just an act), here Obama puts out his own form of stereotype for small town white America as gun clinging church goes. Praise the Lord and pass the ammo! Americans have been clinging on to guns and religion since the colonization of this land. What planet is this guy from? Keep going Obama, comments like this will not get you elected. Not to mention he has zero data to back up this statement.

[Tchocky]

Platapus - :lol:

Here's the context of that sentence.
Frankly, I don't see the harm or staggering novelty of what he said, nor does it read as any sort of stereotype.

But -- so the questions you're most likely to get about me, 'Well, what is this guy going to do for me? What's the concrete thing?' What they wanna hear is -- so, we'll give you talking points about what we're proposing -- close tax loopholes, roll back, you know, the tax cuts for the top 1 percent. Obama's gonna give tax breaks to middle-class folks and we're gonna provide health care for every American. So we'll go down a series of talking points.

But the truth is, is that, our challenge is to get people persuaded that we can make progress when there's not evidence of that in their daily lives. You go into some of these small towns in Pennsylvania, and like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing's replaced them. And they fell through the Clinton administration, and the Bush administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not. So it's not surprising then that they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.
Um, now these are in some communities, you know. I think what you'll find is, is that people of every background -- there are gonna be a mix of people, you can go in the toughest neighborhoods, you know working-class lunch-pail folks, you'll find Obama enthusiasts. And you can go into places where you think I'd be very strong and people will just be skeptical. The important thing is that you show up and you're doing what you're doing

[SUBMAN1]

That is a total stereotype. Not surprising that you can't see it though. You are blind to the world, except your immediate one though.

-S

[Tchocky]

That is a total stereotype. Not surprising that you can't see it though. You are blind to the world, except your immediate one though.

-S

It's all this sand, you see.

[SUBMAN1]

It's all this sand, you see.THought so! :D

-S

[NEON DEON]

Obama quote:


"I have decided I wont wear that pin on my chest(american flag pin). Instead I am going to try to tell the American people what I believe will make this country great and hopefullly that will be a testament to my patriotism."

Nothing sticks to this guy.

He calls Clinton out on transparency about tax records while only showing his last 6. When Clinton releases them and asks for the rest of Obamas tax records. He says nothing and his campaign says thats not the issue.

He claims in a written statement that he knew nothing about Wrights whacked out sermons, Then goes on tv 3 days later changing it to spring 2007 after the media called him on it.

Obamas economic policy adviser privately told Canadian officials to view the debate in Ohio over trade as "political positioning," according to a memo obtained by The Associated Press.

Thats change you can believe in?

Campaign crushing actions roll off this guy like water on a ducks back.

[SUBMAN1]

Somehow, I doubt this one will roll off so easily. He just p_ricked a pin into the American soul. This one won't be forgotten.

-S

[MR. Wood]

I tell you what this man is scary. We the american people need to get him out of the race for any office. He's like some damn hippy from the 60's.

[SUBMAN1]

I tell you what this man is scary. We the american people need to get him out of the race for any office. He's like some damn hippy from the 60's.No, that was Clinton - Here is a pic of the Clintons from the 60's. About as hippy as you can get.

http://img162.imageshack.us/img162/1639/47645579al7.jpg

[nikimcbee]

I tell you what this man is scary. We the american people need to get him out of the race for any office. He's like some damn hippy from the 60's.No, that was Clinton - Here is a pic of the Clintons from the 60's. About as hippy as you can get.

http://img162.imageshack.us/img162/1639/47645579al7.jpg

pours bleach onto eyes

[NEON DEON]

I tell you what this man is scary. We the american people need to get him out of the race for any office. He's like some damn hippy from the 60's.No, that was Clinton - Here is a pic of the Clintons from the 60's. About as hippy as you can get.

http://img162.imageshack.us/img162/1639/47645579al7.jpg


That is 1975 and hippies dont wear turtle necks and camel skin coats;)

[AVGWarhawk]

I tell you what this man is scary. We the american people need to get him out of the race for any office. He's like some damn hippy from the 60's.No, that was Clinton - Here is a pic of the Clintons from the 60's. About as hippy as you can get.

http://img162.imageshack.us/img162/1639/47645579al7.jpg


This pictures when I look at it always makes me think they are asking for pot and rolling papers. I'm not sure why:hmm:

[bradclark1]

That is 1975 and hippies dont wear turtle necks and camel skin coats;)
Must be the glasses.:cool:

[Trex]

Myself, I generally cling to a glass of single malt and a certain hot redhead, but each to their taste.

[Kapitan_Phillips]

Myself, I generally cling to a glass of single malt and a certain hot redhead, but each to their taste.

Or a Wild Night in Bangkok :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

[Trex]

Yeah, apparently. I guess somebody is peeved at me or something.

[antikristuseke]

Naah, its just something to spice things up a bit.
And hear hear about single malt, though I dont have any right now and suaualy i drink Johnny Walkers Black Label which is a blend because of its great taste and its low price.

[Sailor Steve]

Yeah, apparently. I guess somebody is peeved at me or something.
Everybody gets that picture at post #179.

[SUBMAN1]

Hmm - Obama now trails Clinton by 20 points in PA. I wonder why? :D

http://americanresearchgroup.com/

-S

PS. Notice a week ago that it was 45 to 45. Amazing what one slip up can do. Loose lips sink ships.

[Trex]

Yeah, apparently. I guess somebody is peeved at me or something.
Everybody gets that picture at post #179.
Gee, and to think I was able to believe in my paranoia for a while.

[SUBMAN1]

Gee, and to think I was able to believe in my paranoia for a while.He is just being nice. Neal however is messing with you.

-S

[Tchocky]

American Research Group, never heard of them. 20 points is a hell of a lot more than anyone else is saying.
Rasmussen has Hillary ahead by 5%, seems to be more in line. It will take another day or two to see the effect of this...event.
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/pennsylvania/pennsylvania_democratic_presidential_primary

The reaction to this statements I can't help but see as a kind of endorsement. Oh well.

Edit - interesting take on the ARG

http://ajacksonian.blogspot.com/2007/12/problem-with-american-research-group.html

[SUBMAN1]

American Research Group, never heard of them. 20 points is a hell of a lot more than anyone else is saying.
Rasmussen has Hillary ahead by 5%, seems to be more in line. It will take another day or two to see the effect of this...event.
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/pennsylvania/pennsylvania_democratic_presidential_primary

The reaction to this statements I can't help but see as a kind of endorsement. Oh well.

Edit - interesting take on the ARG

http://ajacksonian.blogspot.com/2007/12/problem-with-american-research-group.html
Seems like ARG is right on the mark. SUSA is reporting something nearly identical - http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReportPopup.aspx?g=c79e5bab-a424-49f6-86d6-50c61cf729b7&q=45558

Better get on Google now and find dirt on SUSA so you can discredit them too. :D

-S

[nikimcbee]

@subman1
What do you think about all of the attention Chelsea is getting?

[Tchocky]

American Research Group, never heard of them. 20 points is a hell of a lot more than anyone else is saying.
Rasmussen has Hillary ahead by 5%, seems to be more in line. It will take another day or two to see the effect of this...event.
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/pennsylvania/pennsylvania_democratic_presidential_primary

The reaction to this statements I can't help but see as a kind of endorsement. Oh well.

Edit - interesting take on the ARG

http://ajacksonian.blogspot.com/2007/12/problem-with-american-research-group.html
Seems like ARG is right on the mark. SUSA is reporting something nearly identical - http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReportPopup.aspx?g=c79e5bab-a424-49f6-86d6-50c61cf729b7&q=45558

Better get on Google now and find dirt on SUSA so you can discredit them too. :D

-S Quinnipac have logged very little change since the comments.
http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1327.xml?ReleaseID=1168

Dirt on Survey USA? Don't really need any here, SUBMAN. Their poll was conducted on the 8th of April, long before the comments were made.
Although to discover that one would have to go to the main page, and not the graphic link you posted.
http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=c79e5bab-a424-49f6-86d6-50c61cf729b7

The poll is not to be discredited, but your mention of it is. Oh, well. Onward!

Gallup has Obama benefiting nationwide, hmph. http://www.gallup.com/poll/106504/Gallup-Daily-Obama-Numbers-Holding-Strong.aspx

[SUBMAN1]

@subman1
What do you think about all of the attention Chelsea is getting?Is she getting any?

-S

[AVGWarhawk]

@subman1
What do you think about all of the attention Chelsea is getting?Is she getting any?

-S

Getting any what?

[SUBMAN1]

@subman1
What do you think about all of the attention Chelsea is getting?Is she getting any?

-S
Getting any what?That depends on the question! :D

-S

[Sailor Steve]

@subman1
What do you think about all of the attention Chelsea is getting?Is she getting any?

-S
Getting any what?That depends on the question! :D

-S
There was a question?

[Kapitan_Phillips]

@subman1
What do you think about all of the attention Chelsea is getting?Is she getting any?

-S
Getting any what?That depends on the question! :D

-S There was a question?

http://www.fstdt.com/funnyimages/uploads/550.jpg

[FIREWALL]

@subman1
What do you think about all of the attention Chelsea is getting?Is she getting any?

-S

Getting any what?


I heard somewhere she's Ellen De Generate's new sqeeze.:p

[SUBMAN1]

This guy says it all:

-S

"Barack Obama was caught saying something he believes . . .

"He was retailing an article of left-wing orthodoxy going back centuries: that the working class is distracted by religion and other peripheral concerns from focusing on its economic interests and embracing socialism . . .

[Trex]

I heard somewhere she's Ellen De Generate's new sqeeze.:p

Let it be. They deserve each other.

[CaptHawkeye]

You mean Obama says something that's true, and the public suddenly hates him? Jesus, Americans do more to sabotage their own political climate than any "enemy" they've ever had, real or manufactured. Americans literally just want their Presidents to be a bunch of head nodding yes men. Scary stuff for a country that maintains the world's most obscenely over powered military. And anyone who criticizes them is just ignorant lolamirite?

[SUBMAN1]

You mean Obama says something that's true, and the public suddenly hates him? Jesus, Americans do more to sabotage their own political climate than any "enemy" they've ever had, real or manufactured. Americans literally just want their Presidents to be a bunch of head nodding yes men. Scary stuff for a country that maintains the world's most obscenely over powered military. And anyone who criticizes them is just ignorant lolamirite?Itsw a simple case of the people wanting the president to support their views, not to crticize them. That's essentially what he said - he made them feel irrational for clinging to guns and religion, a staple of the the American way of life. Not quite the man you want representing you.

-S

[PeriscopeDepth]

That's essentially what he said - he made them feel irrational for clinging to guns and religion, a staple of the the American way of life. Not quite the man you want representing you.

-S

So "they" DO cling to guns and religion?

PD

[SUBMAN1]

So "they" DO cling to guns and religion?

PDThe word 'cling' is where he went wrong. THey do not cling to anything.

-S

[VipertheSniper]

So "they" DO cling to guns and religion?

PDThe word 'cling' is where he went wrong. THey do not cling to anything.

-S

Hehe, I'd say they cling to the right to bear arms, but that probably goes for the majority of US Americans.

[SUBMAN1]

Hehe, I'd say they cling to the right to bear arms, but that probably goes for the majority of US Americans.I'd say you are right, though not all. I good majority for sure though.

-S

[Kaleun Volk]

Ugh... Needless to say the family already has begun to burry weapons for the 'just in case' plan.... Thia man is pure evil... something I though of Hillary before he came along... The scary thing is the ammount of support he had from people whom do not know about what his real stances on the issues are...I do love the fact that Hillary came out with the add about those offended in the Pennysilvania area by what he said. Hopefully Hillary can drag them both down enough for poor old Johnny M. to pull out something... Although I would have perfered to see the ROMNEY-MCCAIN ticket, or the ROMNEY-NORRIS ticket(lol political roundhouse)..."There will be dark days ahead..."PS. it will be hella interesting to see the Supreme Court's Ruling on the DC handgun ban as well... This year will make or break America... which we have yet to see.

[PeriscopeDepth]

Hehe, I'd say they cling to the right to bear arms, but that probably goes for the majority of US Americans.I'd say you are right, though not all. I good majority for sure though.

-S

It does seem to be one of the few, if not only, ammendment in the Bill of Rights that people will bother defending. But that's off topic I suppose...

PD

[VipertheSniper]

Hehe, I'd say they cling to the right to bear arms, but that probably goes for the majority of US Americans.I'd say you are right, though not all. I good majority for sure though.

-S

It does seem to be one of the few, if not only, ammendment in the Bill of Rights that people will bother defending. But that's off topic I suppose...

PD

Well said

[Umfuld]

I find it hard to respect any human being living in America in the 21st century who owns a gun

I mean honestly. Are you children?


Eh, don't answer that. Just shoot me instead.



"Duh. I gots a gun. Duh"

[SUBMAN1]

I find it hard to respect any human being living in America in the 21st century who owns a gun

I mean honestly. Are you children?


Eh, don't answer that. Just shoot me instead.



"Duh. I gots a gun. Duh"I think you mean, who doesn't own a gun, right? The rest are children for sure.

-S

[PeriscopeDepth]

I find it hard to respect any human being living in America in the 21st century who owns a gun

I mean honestly. Are you children?


Eh, don't answer that. Just shoot me instead.



"Duh. I gots a gun. Duh"I think you mean, who doesn't own a gun, right? The rest are children for sure.

-S

This pretty much exemplifies what politics in the US has become. Gawd I hate political parties.

You started this thread to point out that Obama insulted those that own guns. Fair enough. And then you insult everyone who doesn't own a gun in the same thread. :down:

PD

[Tchocky]

More an analysis of voting patterns than issue primacy, I think.
Parties find it easier to gain support on the perennial than the contemporaneous, thus the focus on God/Guns/Gays/Abortion rather than taxes/bureacracy/justice.
This is why you hear McCain going on and on about his military service, then admitting he doesn't know squat about economics.

Regarding the ideas behind Obama's comments, this ain't new. Nor is it incorrect. People are coerced to consider issues that are not necessarily important or relevant. What those issues are and whether they are important is a point of divergence, and where most of the flap arises.
A recent example off the top of my head is the issue of whether a candidate is "elitist". What a crock. I want somebody embarrassingly superior to me to be in charge (paraphrasing Jon Stewart :P).

[caspofungin]

I want somebody embarrassingly superior to me to be in charge (paraphrasing Jon Stewart :P).

too bad john stewart isn't running -- i think he knows more about just about anything than just about any candidate.

[PeriscopeDepth]

Tchocky, I have a poli sci BA and I had to read those first two sentences twice to understand it. :D

And make no mistake, parties are giant machines whose goal is to stop people from thinking and just punch a ticket. What you said is just part of that process.

PD

[Tchocky]

Tchocky, I have a poli sci BA and I had to read those first two sentences twice to understand it. :D Posting on Subsim is just about the only non-academic writing I get to do these days. Hence the incomprehensible language :)

Soon, Tchocky, soon :p

And make no mistake, parties are giant machines whose goal is to stop people from thinking and just punch a ticket. What you said is just part of that process.

PD
Agreed, what we're seeing now is the usual reaction to uncomfortable truths.