'World peace' hitcher is murdered

[GlobalExplorer]

An Italian woman artist who was hitch-hiking to the Middle East dressed as a bride to promote world peace has been found murdered in Turkey.

She had said she wanted to show that she could put her trust in the kindness of local people.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7344381.stm

Looks like you should never trust anyone.

R.I.P. What a disgusting story.

[3Jane]

Unbelievable. I remember as a student in the late 70's friends and me would hitch all round europe and beyond. These days I wouldn't dream of it.

[Trex]

Much as I would have spared her such a fate, there are terms for such people: 'naïf' and 'victim' are at the top of the list. It's like somebody going out to play with the cuddly lions.

I wonder if this qualifies for a Darwin Award?

[3Jane]

Much as I would have spared her such a fate, there are terms for such people: 'naïf' and 'victim' are at the top of the list. It's like somebody going out to play with the cuddly lions.

I wonder if this qualifies for a Darwin Award?

Oh that's just ridiculous, really.

[Trex]

Oh that's just ridiculous, really.

Is it? Pretty young woman, unescorted, hitch-hiking in one of the toughest places going (and incidentally, a part of the world where a woman's status is not particularly great), wearing a wedding dress, her only backup "oh, the people will be friendly."

You are calling me ridiculous? The crime was not hers and I am deeply sorry for her and those she leaves behind, but this plan was so incredibly Zoolander stupid, so unbelievably naive, that yes, I think a Darwin might be in the works.

[Happy Times]

How stupid can you be, she shoud have stopped at Bosborus.:roll:

[Skybird]

Considering that she meant to promote WORLD peace and started in Italy, she didn't get very far then, eh?

Idealism cannot replace healthy reason. You may better want both. My sympathy is limited.

BTW, German and other secret serices now rank militant Islam in Turkey a far bigger threat than activities of the PKK. The Hesbollah is in Turkey these days. World still needs to take note of it.

[3Jane]

The attitudes and responses appearing here are breathtaking, just breathtaking. So far people are only a hairs breadth away from openly saying 'she asked for it'.

[Happy Times]

The attitudes and responses appearing here are breathtaking, just breathtaking. So far people are only a hairs breadth away from openly saying 'she asked for it'.

She asked for it.

What should we say about a grown woman doing something this stupid? Going in to Turkey dressed as a bride? Alone? Hitchiking? :huh: You havent heard how Western women are wiewed there? Im not a heartless person but even if a were her relative or friend, i would be angry at her.

[3Jane]

The attitudes and responses appearing here are breathtaking, just breathtaking. So far people are only a hairs breadth away from openly saying 'she asked for it'.
She asked for it.

What should we say about a grown woman doing something this stupid? Going in to Turkey dressed as a bride? Alone? Hitchiking? :huh: You havent heard how Western women are wiewed there? Im not a heartless person but even if a were her relative or friend, i would be angry at her.
Good god, well that about sums up the attitude of the world today, certainly as regards women. Other than hoping that one day fate reciprocates the circumstances in your own life, there is little more I can think of to say. You really have no sense of shame in actually coming out and saying something like that.

[GlobalExplorer]

This is sick ****. So are some of the comments.

And let me say that imo this kind of sexual killing is much more uncommon in the middle east than in a western country. It is too much against islam / the culture. If she has done sth that is against islam, its of course a different story.

Maybe I am naive. But if she hard toured a western country, lets say Australia, the same could have happened to her, maybe even quicker.

Maybe she was just unlucky to meet this psycho:

She was raped and murdered in Gebze, an industrial town very close to Istanbul. The suspect, Murat Karatas is married with 2 kids. He confessed that he accepted Bacca to his truck in a gas station and when Bacca refused to have sex with him, he took her to the woods, raped her and then strangled her with his bare hands.

[GlobalExplorer]

The attitudes and responses appearing here are breathtaking, just breathtaking. So far people are only a hairs breadth away from openly saying 'she asked for it'.

She asked for it.

What should we say about a grown woman doing something this stupid? Going in to Turkey dressed as a bride? Alone? Hitchiking? :huh: You havent heard how Western women are wiewed there? Im not a heartless person but even if a were her relative or friend, i would be angry at her.

She did take a great risk, thats all.

But I am tired of being lectured by people with signatures like yours. In the end you will try to turn and twist everything to your agendas. In case you dont know, hitchhiking women can get raped and killed in any country.

[Happy Times]

All the women i know that have visited Turkey will never go again.
Reason? The sexual harassement by the local men is in its own level there.

3Jane I bet my treatment of women is better than that of the average Turk.

[kurtz]

And let me say that imo this kind of sexual killing is much more uncommon in the middle east than in a western country. It is too much against islam / the culture. If she has done sth that is against islam, its of course a different story.



Of course it's much less common in the middle east, women aren't allowed out in that part of the world.
It is entirley part of the islamic culture to rape and murder a woman out without her owner, you only need to watch crimewatch to see that.
This 'artist' should have seen that, she wandered alone in an islamic country accepting lifts off strangers. I'm amazaed she got as far as she did.
And what has she proved? That you can trust people until you get into a muslim country? I think so.

[nikimcbee]

The attitudes and responses appearing here are breathtaking, just breathtaking. So far people are only a hairs breadth away from openly saying 'she asked for it'.

She asked for it.

What should we say about a grown woman doing something this stupid? Going in to Turkey dressed as a bride? Alone? Hitchiking? :huh: You havent heard how Western women are wiewed there? Im not a heartless person but even if a were her relative or friend, i would be angry at her.

She sounds like that lady that dressed up like a seal, so she could commune with seals... and she was attacked and killed by a Great White.

I'd say naive hippy women just don't get it. The trip would have been fun when she hit Afghanistan or western Pakistan.:dead:

[Happy Times]

The attitudes and responses appearing here are breathtaking, just breathtaking. So far people are only a hairs breadth away from openly saying 'she asked for it'.

She asked for it.

What should we say about a grown woman doing something this stupid? Going in to Turkey dressed as a bride? Alone? Hitchiking? :huh: You havent heard how Western women are wiewed there? Im not a heartless person but even if a were her relative or friend, i would be angry at her.

She did take a great risk, thats all.

But I am tired of being lectured by people with signatures like yours. In the end you will try to turn and twist everything to your agendas. In case you dont know, hitchhiking women can get raped and killed in any country.

Im havent twisted this to anything, i havent blamed Islam for this.
Though it affects the local cultures wiew on women, that is a fact.
She traveled through Europes poorest nations in the Balkans but it was in Turkey she got raped and killed, that is a fact.

Im also tired to the crying of different type of naive idealists and/or socialists that cant take it that the world isnt as they would want it to be.

[GlobalExplorer]

All the women i know that have visited Turkey will never go again.

The problem in that case is that our women are either too dumb or have no respect for the culture.

For the eyes of a muslim our women are naked when they go through the streets, and they are considered as sluts / prostitutes. Even as a man I was eyed contemptuously when I dressed inappropriate (i.e. not in trousers / shirt), but what some of our women do there is just incredible. I would say they even do it to enjoy the extra attention, they just dont like the consequences.

[bradclark1]

Much as I would have spared her such a fate, there are terms for such people: 'naïf' and 'victim' are at the top of the list. It's like somebody going out to play with the cuddly lions.

I wonder if this qualifies for a Darwin Award?

Oh that's just ridiculous, really.
Not really. Her stupidity pointed a big sign at herself. She should have hidden a 44 magnum in her bouquet. In fact she shouldn't have done it anywhere with todays mentality.

[nikimcbee]

All the women i know that have visited Turkey will never go again.
Reason? The sexual harassement by the local men is in its own level there.

3Jane I bet my treatment of women is better than that of the average Turk.


...and on a side note, when I was a student in Russian, the only people our student group had trouble with was.......arab guys.

[kurtz]

All the women i know that have visited Turkey will never go again.

The problem in that case is that our women are either too dumb or have no respect for the culture.

For the eyes of a muslim our women are naked when they go through the streets, and they are considered as sluts / prostitutes. Even as a man I was eyed contemptuously when I dressed inappropriate (i.e. not in trousers / shirt), but what some of our women do there is just incredible. I would say they even do it to enjoy the extra attention, they just dont like the consequences.

And so that's why they rape and murder them is it? and I thought it was just a murderer/rapist thing. If it's part of their culture then it's probably why so few people have respect for their 'culture'.

[Happy Times]

All the women i know that have visited Turkey will never go again.

The problem in that case is that our women are either too dumb or have no respect for the culture.

For the eyes of a muslim our women are naked when they go through the streets, and they are considered as sluts / prostitutes. Even as a man I was eyed contemptuously when I dressed inappropriate (i.e. not in trousers / shirt), but what some of our women do there is just incredible. I would say they even do it to enjoy the extra attention, they just dont like the consequences.

Watch your language, those women are educated and can behave themselfs.
What category does this one hitchiking in a brides dress drop into?:roll:
Hope the same understanding of local culture was true for all the Turks in Europe..:p

[kurtz]

What a bunch of clever people, really. A woman is raped and killed by one man in a country of 70 millions, so all those people are murderers/rapists.
But how many countries does she go through without being murdered? Countries which, also might not be on your top ten list, the into turkey and the rest we know and has been pointed out by an apologist for turkey that this is part of the local culture. I think we can draw some pretty accurate conclusions from this, even if they are at variance with our 'artists' original premise.

[Happy Times]

What a bunch of clever people, really. A woman is raped and killed by one man in a country of 70 millions, so all those people are murderers/rapists. And since these 70 millions are almost all Muslims, then all Muslims must be murderer/rapists.
It should make me cry to read that crap but I'll rather laugh my ass out :)

Its a common fact that there is a high risk of rape in Turkey, you dont know this?

[Jimbuna]

Tragic.....how very tragic :nope:

[mrbeast]

As far as I can see the fact that this woman was killed in Turkey is utterly irrelavant.

She could have been abducted and killed anywhere it was pure bad luck that she hitched a ride with the wrong person. Sexual predators and murderers are not exclusive to one country, they are an unfortunate fact of life everywhere I'm afraid.

I think the lesson here is that its a bad idea to hitch-hike anywhere, especially if you are a young woman on your own.

[Skybird]

Why this angry debate here? some naive mind wanted to do something good but instead of using reason the person in question acted naive and invited trouble - and so she got her fingers burned, so to speak. that is all. "She had said she wanted to show that she could put her trust in the kindness of local people", the first postings says. Well, that says it all: she found out that she was wrong with that assumption, and if she would have used her brain and thought a bit in advance, she could have known that this generalisation is simply stupid. There are white and there are black sheep in every group, and acting and dressing provocative as a female in a society that already is supressive against females and demands them to be submissive, obedient, or simply locks them away, does not sound like a clever idea as long as you have not situation were you got some cover for your back when acting like this.

Idealism and daydreamiung can't replace common sense and healthy reason. travelling around, dressed like a bride, and then complaining that she raised attention? C'mon on. If she would have travelled fully naked, would somebody be surprised if sooner or later she would have been arrested, or raped, and kicked out of town with stones being thrown at her? Hardly.

A Darwin Award for this well-meant foolishness, Tex is right. Let's move on.

[Happy Times]

What a bunch of clever people, really. A woman is raped and killed by one man in a country of 70 millions, so all those people are murderers/rapists. And since these 70 millions are almost all Muslims, then all Muslims must be murderer/rapists.
It should make me cry to read that crap but I'll rather laugh my ass out :)
Its a common fact that there is a high risk of rape in Turkey, you dont know this?

I assume that you're kidding. Anyway, no I didn't know :
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_rap_percap-crime-rapes-per-capita

Looks like you didn't either :)

I wasnt, that stat is a joke.:p

[Skybird]

What a bunch of clever people, really. A woman is raped and killed by one man in a country of 70 millions, so all those people are murderers/rapists. And since these 70 millions are almost all Muslims, then all Muslims must be murderer/rapists.
It should make me cry to read that crap but I'll rather laugh my ass out :)
Its a common fact that there is a high risk of rape in Turkey, you dont know this?

I assume that you're kidding. Anyway, no I didn't know :
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_rap_percap-crime-rapes-per-capita

Looks like you didn't either :)

I wasnt, that stat is a joke.:p
Okay, I'm beaten. Let's make burqas and submissive behavior of women and locking your women away obligatory. It seems to prevent rape.

If rape takes place during ( maybe even enforced) marriages is something different.

and wasn't Saudi Arabia and Iran amongst the top three in that statistic on how many clicks per day porn-sites receive from various nations? ;)

P.S. ah yes: http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=98808&highlight=porn+sites

[Trex]

So far people are only a hairs breadth away from openly saying 'she asked for it'.

One more time - I am sorry this happened. I feel badly for her and for her kin and friends. One more time - the crime was not hers.

Having said that, if I climb into the lion cage, my survivors will have to accept that I made a very, very foolish decision. Come to think of it, did this not recently happen in the USA - some nutbar dying after trying to pet a tiger?

Idealism is wondferful, but it is not much protection when the cards get played. I would not allow my own daughter to hitch-hike in a pretty tame city in a pretty tame country. I felt it was - sadly - just not safe enough. (It should not be that way and I work to change it, but while reality may bite, it's still reality and we ignore it at our peril.) For a young woman to launch on a journey like that was an incredibly stupid thing to do. While what happened to her was not her fault, she has to share the blame for what happened to her, just as I would if I deliberately wandered into the kitty kage at the zoo.

I do however take exception to trying to link this to Islam. The view of women is a cultural thing. She would have been in as much danger in some parts of, oh, South America where the machismo attitude is very strong.

[Skybird]

I do however take exception to trying to link this to Islam. The view of women is a cultural thing. She would have been in as much danger in some parts of, oh, South America where the machismo attitude is very strong.

:yep:

[Skybird]

Okay, I'm beaten. Let's make burqas and submissive behavior of women and locking your women away obligatory. It seems to prevent rape.

If rape takes place during ( maybe even enforced) marriages is something different.

and wasn't Saudi Arabia and Iran amongst the top three in that statistic on how many clicks per day porn-sites receive from various nations? ;)

P.S. ah yes: http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=98808&highlight=porn+sites

Did you say something ?
Congrats, your brain curve just produced a single spike.

[Jimbuna]

Well, I guess this place aint known as the http://imgcash1.imageshack.us/img145/5803/snakeck4.gif for nothing http://img397.imageshack.us/img397/7118/nofemaleqj9xl4.gif

http://imgcash1.imageshack.us/img231/3134/popcorn3dv3.gif

[CCIP]

While in some ways this IS almost a living parable of naivete, I am definitely taken aback at how so many people in this thread have taken this for a normal and expected thing to happen, put the blame on the woman, and fit it into wider sociocultural patterns so neatly and readily.

Has anyone, just for a second, considered this to be an expression of a single degenerate mind, that of the killer? I think this is an individual tragedy. It may have sociocultural antecedents, but I don't think this case gives us enough to generalize on. In fact most generalizations made in this thread have been made based on a half-paragraph description of the story and 0 support for the broader generalizations that were drawn. The only statistical support showed contrary, and was dismissed as fraud. That, my friends, tells me that someone is pulling the moral of this story out of their @$$.

Ah well. The usual suspects using the usual tactics. I'm outta here for another 2 weeks in hopes things cool down :roll:

[antikristuseke]

Well said CCIP.

[The WosMan]

Maybe Jimmy Carter can get to the bottom of this when he goes to talk with the terrorists groups.

[bradclark1]

Has anyone, just for a second, considered this to be an expression of a single degenerate mind, that of the killer?
Sure. Country really doesn't matter where it happened. It could have happened anywhere. Especially in the U.S. The women was just plain stupid and as mean and hurtful as it may sound she asking for something like that to happen. This sure as hell isn't the age of chivalry. I have no sorrow over it. The real surprise would have been if she would have completed her trek. I would have had to reevaluate my opinion of the world. I guess I don't have to.

[GlobalExplorer]

All the women i know that have visited Turkey will never go again.

The problem in that case is that our women are either too dumb or have no respect for the culture.

For the eyes of a muslim our women are naked when they go through the streets, and they are considered as sluts / prostitutes. Even as a man I was eyed contemptuously when I dressed inappropriate (i.e. not in trousers / shirt), but what some of our women do there is just incredible. I would say they even do it to enjoy the extra attention, they just dont like the consequences.

And so that's why they rape and murder them is it? and I thought it was just a murderer/rapist thing. If it's part of their culture then it's probably why so few people have respect for their 'culture'.

kurtz I understand where you're coming from but why dont you read the thread before post. It was not me that tried to fabricate the connection between Turkey and rape. I was just explaining why turkish men react lewd towards western women. In a country that is so prudish, they provoke the same reaction as the naked girls on Samoa did on Cooks men.

All the women i know that have visited Turkey will never go again.

The problem in that case is that our women are either too dumb or have no respect for the culture.

For the eyes of a muslim our women are naked when they go through the streets, and they are considered as sluts / prostitutes. Even as a man I was eyed contemptuously when I dressed inappropriate (i.e. not in trousers / shirt), but what some of our women do there is just incredible. I would say they even do it to enjoy the extra attention, they just dont like the consequences.

Watch your language, those women are educated and can behave themselfs.
What category does this one hitchiking in a brides dress drop into?:roll:
Hope the same understanding of local culture was true for all the Turks in Europe..:p

You're both taking me out of context. I was responding to this post by Happy Times:

All the women i know that have visited Turkey will never go again.
Reason? The sexual harassement by the local men is in its own level there.

3Jane I bet my treatment of women is better than that of the average Turk.

Reason was, I wanted to explain what kind of impression our women make on Turks / Muslims because of their nakedness. If a woman would walk down your street, completely naked, you would expect some kind of reaction wouldnt you. This doesnt mean that turks are all rapists.

[Happy Times]

Everybody can go to their own ministry for foreign affairs/foreign office website and check what they say in their directions to those traveling to Turkey. Europeans can compare that to what they say about Spain for exsample.
The Finnish pages warn about harasment and rapes, so do the British.

"In 2007 a high number sexual assaults, including rape, were reported to our Consular staff in Turkey. The majority of these cases occurred in coastal tourist areas visited by British nationals in South Western Turkey."
http://www.fco.gov.uk/en/travelling-and-living-overseas/travel-advice-by-country/europe/turkey

Advice from a hitchhiker.


"Lone female travellers should think twice about hitch-hiking, even though Turkey is a secular, west-oriented country, you can run into many of the stereotypes (in this aspect, the most important being "Western women are all -------, khm... easy lays.") about the West that you will find in Middle Eastern / Muslim countries."
http://www.budgettraveltips.com/destinations/turkey/general/travelinturkey/hitching

[Happy Times]

All the women i know that have visited Turkey will never go again.

The problem in that case is that our women are either too dumb or have no respect for the culture.

For the eyes of a muslim our women are naked when they go through the streets, and they are considered as sluts / prostitutes. Even as a man I was eyed contemptuously when I dressed inappropriate (i.e. not in trousers / shirt), but what some of our women do there is just incredible. I would say they even do it to enjoy the extra attention, they just dont like the consequences.

And so that's why they rape and murder them is it? and I thought it was just a murderer/rapist thing. If it's part of their culture then it's probably why so few people have respect for their 'culture'.

kurtz I understand where you're coming from but why dont you read the thread before post. It was not me that tried to fabricate the connection between Turkey and rape. I was just explaining why turkish men react lewd towards western women. In a country that is so prudish, they provoke the same reaction as the naked girls on Samoa did on Cooks men.

All the women i know that have visited Turkey will never go again.

The problem in that case is that our women are either too dumb or have no respect for the culture.

For the eyes of a muslim our women are naked when they go through the streets, and they are considered as sluts / prostitutes. Even as a man I was eyed contemptuously when I dressed inappropriate (i.e. not in trousers / shirt), but what some of our women do there is just incredible. I would say they even do it to enjoy the extra attention, they just dont like the consequences.

Watch your language, those women are educated and can behave themselfs.
What category does this one hitchiking in a brides dress drop into?:roll:
Hope the same understanding of local culture was true for all the Turks in Europe..:p

You're both taking me out of context. I was responding to this post by Happy Times:

All the women i know that have visited Turkey will never go again.
Reason? The sexual harassement by the local men is in its own level there.

3Jane I bet my treatment of women is better than that of the average Turk.

Reason was, I wanted to explain what kind of impression our women make on Turks / Muslims because of their nakedness. If a woman would walk down your street, completely naked, you would expect some kind of reaction wouldnt you. This doesnt mean that turks are all rapists.

Summer is coming, im going to see naked women coming from sauna, doesnt make me rape them.
The fact that they loose control over women shows their inferior level of civilization, hence it was stupid to take a risk and do it, there, i said it..:p

[GlobalExplorer]

The fact that they loose control over women shows their inferior level of civilization, hence it was stupid to take a risk and do it, there, i said it..:p

Bravo. Now you said what I wanted you to say, you xenophobe. Why did you then make such a fuss when I brought up your sig the first time?

[Happy Times]

The fact that they loose control over women shows their inferior level of civilization, hence it was stupid to take a risk and do it, there, i said it..:p

Bravo. Now you said what I wanted you to say, you xenophobe. Why did you then make such a fuss when I brought up your sig the first time?

My sig has nothing do with it. You linked it to this, and you made the statement about how western women are wiewed in muslim countries. You just seem to accept this as normal and i have the balls to say that its wrong, its a sick and inferior culture.
I understand its difficult to think these "evil" thoughts in Germany, otherwise you get called a xenophobe or..or.. a NAZI!!!!!:o

[SUBMAN1]

Much as I would have spared her such a fate, there are terms for such people: 'naïf' and 'victim' are at the top of the list. It's like somebody going out to play with the cuddly lions.

I wonder if this qualifies for a Darwin Award?Can't be said any better than this. i agree. The world is probably 50% made up of un-trustworthy people.

-S

[Trex]

Bradclark1 - I on the other hand do have a great deal of sorrow over it - little surprise, but a great deal of sorrow. Nobody should have to go through that.

CCIP - It's funny. Women are no longer considered as mental defectives or as innocent children. They are, thankfully, expected to take manage their own affairs, make their own decisions. The flip side of that however is that they must accept responsibility for their choices.

If a female bank teller gets shot trying to overpower a robber, people will shake their heads and say that she was brave but silly to have tried something that foolish.

If a woman makes her own bungy-jumping setup and winds up dead, people will say she was very foolish – she should have known better than to try such a thing.

If a woman tries to break up two pitbulls fighting, the world will call her a fool for what happens to her.

But let sexual assault enter the equation and suddenly, the PC view is that the woman was utterly blameless, that she bears not the slightest shred of responsibility. It’s almost as if the crime descended upon her from the sky like a comet.

This does not in any way excuse the crime or minimize the very real trauma a victim feels, but let’s face it, there are places in my own home town that I, a fairly fit man, would not walk after dark. As reprehensible as sexual assault is, as grievous a crime as murder is, women who go into certain areas (particularly after dark) dramatically increase the risk of their being attacked. To that extent, in that sense, then yes, a woman who is assaulted in such circumstances – provided she had a choice of going or not going into a bad neighbourhood – must share some of the responsibility for what has happened to her, just the same as if she had made any other bad choice. It should not be that way; women should be able to come and go as they please, without fear, but that is not the reality. And, while reality may stink, it's still reality.

That does not excuse the crime or the criminal in any way, shape or form, but this well-meaning woman made a very, very silly choice. Sadly, she paid for it with her life.

R.I.P.

[GlobalExplorer]

I understand its difficult to think these "evil" thoughts in Germany, otherwise you get called a xenophobe or..or.. a NAZI!!!!!:o

Maybe it is as you say. But just because I don't think in your terms as quote sick and inferior culture it does not automatically make me a leftist bootlicker.

Leftish people do call me a nazi from time to time, and I fine with that.

My sig has nothing do with it. You linked it to this, and you made the statement about how western women are wiewed in muslim countries. You just seem to accept this as normal and i have the balls to say that its wrong, its a sick and inferior culture.

Sick and inferior? So you think your culture is sane and superior?

Before you judge them, you should invest some time to learn about other cultures. There are people on the other side that are exactly like you and that is the real problem.

Besides, where did I say I accepted rape as normal - what I consider is that both men and women have to dress adequately, according to the culture. Adequately means that in a muslim country, a man should wear trousers, skirt and decent shoes, a woman should never show naked flesh.

I am against a lot of things in the muslim world, but at least I try to understand it first.

[Foxtrot]

So Finland must be the home of paedophiles:

Adult men in Helsinki caught paying for sex with teenagers with alcohol and gifts (http://www.hs.fi/english/article/Adult+men+in+Helsinki+caught+paying+for+sex+with+t eenagers+with+alcohol+and+gifts/1135234514777)

and these cases are just the tip of the ice berg :shifty:

Everybody can go to their own ministry for foreign affairs/foreign office website and check what they say in their directions to those traveling to Turkey. Europeans can compare that to what they say about Spain for exsample.
The Finnish pages warn about harasment and rapes, so do the British.

"In 2007 a high number sexual assaults, including rape, were reported to our Consular staff in Turkey. The majority of these cases occurred in coastal tourist areas visited by British nationals in South Western Turkey."
http://www.fco.gov.uk/en/travelling-and-living-overseas/travel-advice-by-country/europe/turkey


So is Thiland:

Reports of sexual assaults against women have become particularly prevalent in the Koh Samui archipelago. Women travellers are, therefore, advised to take particular care over their personal security whilst staying in this area.

http://www.fco.gov.uk/en/travelling-and-living-overseas/travel-advice-by-country/asia-oceania/thailand

and India:

There have been incidents of sexual offences against women in Delhi and Goa and in 2008 our Consular staff have been made aware of a number of British nationals who have been the victim of serious sexual offences. Female travellers are advised to observe and respect local dress and customs and to take particular care.

http://www.fco.gov.uk/en/travelling-and-living-overseas/travel-advice-by-country/asia-oceania/india

and Greece:

In 2007 Greece was one of the countries with the highest number of cases reported to our Consular staff of British nationals who were the victim of a serious sexual offence. In some of these cases those alleged to have carried out these offences were also British Nationals. In many cases excessive consumption of alcohol by either the victim or the offender preceded the incident.

http://www.fco.gov.uk/en/travelling-and-living-overseas/travel-advice-by-country/europe/greece



Your posts have A-Muslim-committed-a-crime-because-he-is-a-Muslim tone.



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[Foxtrot]

and wasn't Saudi Arabia and Iran amongst the top three in that statistic on how many clicks per day porn-sites receive from various nations? ;)

P.S. ah yes: http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=98808&highlight=porn+sites

I think if you would like to see real time data then http://www.alexa.com/site/ds/top_sites?ts_mode=global&lang=none is the best source. Simply put some porn website, and click "Get Traffic Details". I am not sure what research and stats approach they have used in your link.
I checked my two favorite skin flick sites, and US got the 1st position.

[FIREWALL]

Since this thread hasn't been locked yet.

As I took the time to read all posts. YES ALL POSTS. Unlike some.

I have easily come to the conclusion that some of you, not all of you.

But some need to pull your heads out of the sand.

Or at least pull your heads out of your arse.

In case you haven't heard " It's a dangerous world out there" .

All the sorry and what a shame isn't going to bring her back.

And I'm not going to applaud her stupitidy either.

[Happy Times]

So Finland must be the home of paedophiles:

Adult men in Helsinki caught paying for sex with teenagers with alcohol and gifts (http://www.hs.fi/english/article/Adult+men+in+Helsinki+caught+paying+for+sex+with+t eenagers+with+alcohol+and+gifts/1135234514777)

and these cases are just the tip of the ice berg :shifty:

Do you know that most of these adults having sex with teens are imigrants?:roll:
I understand same thing is true in Sweden and Britain.

[Trex]

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Do you know that most of these adults having sex with teens are imigrants?:roll:


Sorry, but your source for that is...?

There are sicko's everywhere.

[Happy Times]

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Do you know that most of these adults having sex with teens are imigrants?:roll:


Sorry, but your source for that is...?

There are sicko's everywhere.

Friend in Helsinki police.;)

[Foxtrot]

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Do you know that most of these adults having sex with teens are imigrants?:roll:


Sorry, but your source for that is...?

There are sicko's everywhere.

Friend in Helsinki police.;)

I'd prefer to see an official word though related to this case :)
I am surprised you used to word "immigrants". You mean immigrants like in maahanmuuttaja or something in Finnish which, if I understood correctly, is a derogatory term for Middle Easterns, Africans and (maybe) Chinese folks? ;)

[Happy Times]

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Do you know that most of these adults having sex with teens are imigrants?:roll:


Sorry, but your source for that is...?

There are sicko's everywhere.

Friend in Helsinki police.;)

I'd prefer to see an official word though related to this case :)
I am surprised you used to word "immigrants". You mean immigrants like in maahanmuuttaja or something in Finnish which, if I understood correctly, is a derogatory term for Middle Easterns and (maybe) Chinese folks? ;)
Maahanmuuttaja is correct, i dont know what the other word could be.
Pakolainen would be refugee but it isnt derogatory per se.
Btw i liked most Chinese ive met, the Vietnamese guys i served in the army were also great.

[Skybird]

and wasn't Saudi Arabia and Iran amongst the top three in that statistic on how many clicks per day porn-sites receive from various nations? ;)

P.S. ah yes: http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=98808&highlight=porn+sites

I think if you would like to see real time data then http://www.alexa.com/site/ds/top_sites?ts_mode=global&lang=none is the best source. Simply put some porn website, and click "Get Traffic Details". I am not sure what research and stats approach they have used in your link.
I checked my two favorite skin flick sites, and US got the 1st position.

As I said the short docu film referred to a counting or study done by Google back then. The channel broadcasting it, 3SAT, is NOT some bad TV format, but arguably one of the high quality formats we have over here, beeng run by Gemany, Austria and Switzerland (=3SAT).

But anyway, that was just a snappy reply to some really absurd way of statistic distortion being linked to with that rape statistics before. It gives the impression that females get treated nice and respectful in Saudi Arabia, and extremely bad in other, Western countries. And that is absurd, considering that in many regions in the Islamic and non-Western world as well women are treated like locked-away lifestock. Especially Turkey I do not exclude, and having spend several months in rural turkey, central and Eastern Anatolia, I have seen how very orthodox and conservative men rule over women in many families. Read my lips: men ruling over women and not rarely with brute force, even lethal force. Optimists may call that respectful and crime-preventing. I do not.

And regarding the woman getting killed by following a naive idea that obviously was not well-thought out, I refuse to hypocritically feign a reaction of sadness and embarassement that both I do not feel. When you behave like a fool, don't complain if people laugh, or you raise attention.

For the newcomers in the forum, a story I have told before, but it still makes me smile. Actually, it made a whole monastery laughing back then. A monk in a Zen monastery in Japan, I think in the late 70s that was, got some of the teachings about the power of mind extremely wrong. He raised in the night, left the monastery and walked and stepped onto the railtrack nearby, trying to stop the night express by sheer will power, or whatever. You can imagine how it ended if an express train hits a human body that is protected by will-power-protection shields. When the police brought the message to the monastery the next morning, to the bewilderment of the officers the abbot could not prevent himself from starting to laugh. And short time later the whole monastery laughed as well.

Well, that probably is the best you could do. Are such things like the woman's murder or the monk killing himself tragic for the families? Yes. Are they tragic beyond the immediately affected relatives and friends? No. So stop being so hypocritical everybody and stop considering yourself needing to shoulder the burdens of all the world and it's people. A woman travelling alone in dangerous places wearing a bride's dress to promote "world peace" is not only absurd, but funny beyond ridicule - and when reading about that dress, it made me laugh indeed. Like it makes me laughing if seeing an old black and white comedy where Laurel pulls the front door bell out of the wall and the whole rood falls onto Hardy's head. - After banning certain cartoon series, or attempting to, I'm sure that PC sooner or later will try to ban Laurel and Hardy as well - over terms of extreme brutality and cynism that are unsuitable for children and adults alike. Evidence: a roof falling onto somebody's head is not funny, but lethal - but Skybird laughed. Shame on me.

[nikimcbee]

I do however take exception to trying to link this to Islam. The view of women is a cultural thing. She would have been in as much danger in some parts of, oh, South America where the machismo attitude is very strong.

:yep:

I guess men are just pigs then.:roll:

...and no it's not my "inner-feminist"... dammit!

[August]

Stuff in big letters

Is there a particular reason you feel you have to make the lettering on your posts so large?

[FIREWALL]

Stuff in big letters

Is there a particular reason you feel you have to make the lettering on your posts so large?


EYESIGHT:o

[kiwi_2005]

As they say in World of Warcraft.... Thats an 'Epic fail' for her...

[Graf Paper]

You, know. I figured that was the reason why you used a large typeface, when posting, FIREWALL.

Maybe it has something to do with my intuition, knowing that all of your posts are in large type and the fact that Subsim members tend to be older, on average, than other game-oriented forums ( not saying that you're old, lol ).

[August]

A tip from one old man to another.

Hold the control button down and turn the mouse scroll wheel. It will enlarge screen text without having use large typeface. :yep:

[FIREWALL]

A tip from one old man to another.

Hold the control button down and turn the mouse scroll wheel. It will enlarge screen text without having use large typeface. :yep:


If my large type bothers YOU that much, it's easy to fix.


Don't Read My Posts :yep:


Thx Graf Paper :up: Your intuitiveness is why I enjoy your posts.:D

[kurtz]

A tip from one old man to another.

Hold the control button down and turn the mouse scroll wheel. It will enlarge screen text without having use large typeface. :yep:

It doesn't on my machine.

@Firewall Doesn'yt that mean we have to use large type, you know what you've written:D

[jumpy]

^^
not sure if IE does that, but it's deffo a feature of firefox.
ctrl+mouse wheel zooms text
ctrl+0 puts it back to normal

[August]

A tip from one old man to another.

Hold the control button down and turn the mouse scroll wheel. It will enlarge screen text without having use large typeface. :yep:

If my large type bothers YOU that much, it's easy to fix.


Don't Read My Posts :yep:


Thx Graf Paper :up: Your intuitiveness is why I enjoy your posts.:D

I never said it bothered me, why are you being so defensive?

[GlobalExplorer]

!! larger !!

[kurtz]

So Finland must be the home of paedophiles:

Adult men in Helsinki caught paying for sex with teenagers with alcohol and gifts (http://www.hs.fi/english/article/Adult+men+in+Helsinki+caught+paying+for+sex+with+t eenagers+with+alcohol+and+gifts/1135234514777)

and these cases are just the tip of the ice berg :shifty:
Do you know that most of these adults having sex with teens are imigrants?:roll:
I understand same thing is true in Sweden and Britain.
Correct it is, I couldn't find a link to the Channel 4 'dispatches' programme about this so I'm afraid it's a Daily Mail article,

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=545289&in_page_id=1770&in_a_source=

[kurtz]

!! larger !!
Lol,

@jumpy I've got firefox....:down:

EDIT: It works now, perhaps I'm losing it....

[Ducimus]

Idealism cannot replace healthy reason.

:yep:

[nikimcbee]

A tip from one old man to another.

Hold the control button down and turn the mouse scroll wheel. It will enlarge screen text without having use large typeface. :yep:

If my large type bothers YOU that much, it's easy to fix.


Don't Read My Posts :yep:


Thx Graf Paper :up: Your intuitiveness is why I enjoy your posts.:D

I never said it bothered me, why are you being so defensive?

Mom! They're fighting again:rotfl:

[Jimbuna]

Must get home for my smiley popcorn :lol: