I call them leaches

[Venatore]

I've noticed that without logging onto Subsim and silently remaining as a "Stowaway" you have limited things that you can do. I like this idea but it needs to go further.

Why?

As a modder I've noticed that "Stowaways" can download our mods without logging on which to me [as a modder] is a slap in the face. If I had my way I would replace the name "Stowaway" and change it with "Leech" sucking the blood without you knowing [taking & taking].

You may say so what? well as a modder comments go along way to making you continue the job of modding.

Have a look how many Stowaways/Leeches are viewing right now, how many of them have clicked on our mod links and are sucking away, no comments, no nothing, no gratitude, no donations, nothing.

Bloody leeches :mad:

Answer; you can't enter the forum/s till you have registered/logged on.

[Letum]

Is this vanity?

[Sailor Steve]

While I would love to see everyone who comes here drop in and say "Hi!", or "Great Mod", I think "Leech" might be a bit extreme.

But then I've gone to websites devoted to games I only had a passing interest in and downloaded mods, so I'd be a hypocrite if I said otherwise.

[Jimbuna]

A lot of sites insist on each downloader uploading in return to a ratio of between 0.7 and 1.0, sometimes more.

I agree in principal with what your advocating, but if I'm to be totally honest here, I can't imagine how you could police/monitor your proposal.

To give you a quick example:

I'm currently hosting the GWX2.1 torrent from a private/home server. This is not a file storage location such as FF, Megaupload or Rapidshare........a home server.

I am more than happy to post a screenshot if you wish but here are 3 1/2 months (torrent added 16/12/07) statistics:

382GB uploaded...Peers (those downloading) 11......Seeds (those who have it still on their hard drives and appear to be connectable online) 15.........MOST IMPORTANTLY, those Seeds currently online other than the server torrent host.....0

I've observed this pattern of behaviour since the torrent was announced http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/6153/uowprofuriousoi0rt6.gif

Now that's LEECHING http://imgcash2.imageshack.us/img134/9742/angry8se2.gif


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[danlisa]

We certainly can't police Subsim like many P2P sites do, however I do also agree with Ven.

Would be nice if they could post a thank you at least. It's not much to ask after a creator uses his own time in the furtherment of any game.

It's not vanity, it's common courtesy/decency.

[Jimbuna]

Agreed http://www.psionguild.org/forums/images/smilies/wolfsmilies/thumbsup.gif

[HunterICX]

Answer; you can't enter the forum/s till you have registered/logged on.
So less people will even see your mods?

Happy then?

what you want is plain silly,
I mostly skip forums that FORCE a registration in order me to read it.
I want to have a impresion how the athmosphere is before I join it, I dont want to find out that when I register and finally see the forum and notice its a forum with poo throwing all around.

also who sais that those register are going to give you a ''thank you'' they only will fill up the member database with 0 posts and walk away with your mod.

also this Forum is not only about MODDING , there are discussions about the game,
support for the game, news about the game, Naval news, Global news discussed, funny things shared other simulation games.

so people that have no interest in your mods or the game your modding in and are playing something else or are in something else cant see the other things that subsim is all about.

some of you modders can be such dramaqueens from time to time:nope:,

Instead of looking at what you're not gonna get (a thank you from everyone that lais eyes on your Mod) look at what you get from the usuals and members that are active about. you keep them amazed everytime you releases something, must feel good or does that mean nothing to you?

It's not vanity, it's common courtesy/decency.
Righto, but you cant make people have that.
its People THAT register to say ''Thank you'' that have courtesy/decensy

HunterICX

[FIREWALL]

Hell And I always thought you had to login to D\L mods.;)

[bookworm_020]

I Agree that for downloading mods you have to join up as a requirement. But I do believe that they should be able to look at the treads and see what is availble.:yep:

That should be a big enough reason to join alone!:yep:

[d@rk51d3]

I Agree that for downloading mods you have to join up as a requirement. But I do believe that they should be able to look at the treads and see what is availble.:yep:

That should be a big enough reason to join alone!:yep:


My thoughts, also.:yep:

[Venatore]

some of you modders can be such dramaqueens from time to time:nope:,

Instead of looking at what you're not gonna get (a thank you from everyone that lais eyes on your Mod) look at what you get from the usuals and members that are active about. you keep them amazed everytime you releases something, must feel good or does that mean nothing to you?
HunterICX,

Did you happen to notice the part where I talked about making donations to the site? or did your narrow minded view of us drama-queen modders in-peed your sight.
It's good to see a bloody Moderator of your flawless calibre resort to assessing us modders as drama-queens.

You no nothing about my relationship to the members at this forum as a modder, nothing. Now close this thread down, it's not to your liking, yea overstep your postion yet again, lets see it.

:stare:

[HunterICX]

It's good to see a bloody Moderator of your flawless calibre resort to assessing us modders as drama-queens.

Ah...there is the problem,

I said it as a MEMBER with my own opinion, not as a Moderator so instead of pointing your finger at my Title, take what I said as a member to member.

also I did read the part about donations but I fail to see the relation between forcing people to registrate and that those will donate like that as subsim has more to offer then just mods.
like said before ''it are the people THAT donate that have decensy/courtesy''

and narrow minded?
didnt you fail to see there are more sections on subsim let alone the SH franchise?
because all I read are about MODs as stoways seem to take it without saying thank you and without donating.

Yet again, what sais the Registrated member will say a ''thank you'' or Donate to this website?

a Forum should be inviting for everyone, not to have the appearance of a Club.
so it should remain open, for everyone to see and read.

Now close this thread down, it's not to your liking, yea overstep your postion yet again, lets see it.

Just because I disagree and put down my own opinion, doesnt mean this thread should be closed. like said I still am a Member. I seperate my own Opinion from Moderating this board

yes, I have no clue about your relationship towards the members, as its not my business to be worrying about. I see you're doing fine with them , suits me.

I thought modders would release for ''everyone'' to enjoy?
that people are shy or not really into beeing part of a community like you would think is perfectly normal or every days thing.
like said before, you're not going to get a thank you from everyone, apreciate what you get from people that are kind enough to say thank you, and give a lot of praise and thumbs up for people that donate thanks to your devotion to make great mods.

but perhaps a solution would be a feature of a Box (like the quote box) that only can be seen by registrated with in there the links of your mod. but heck if others dont do use the box to share their mods? would give a bad impresion.

HunterICX

[Venatore]

HunterICX,

I take your points on board and yes I do understand that Subsim is bigger than SHIII.

I'm not saying look at me, look at me, shower me in comments of glory. Its good as a modder to get constructive comments informing you of better ways to enhance your mods, saying your mods have errors, saying not bad, how did you do that, or that's awesome, all comments good or bad develop your modding technique.

It was an idea, like throwing out a fishing line to see what's was out there, I can see its not a good idea, and that's ok, I can live with that.

You attacked me as a modder I defended by attacking you as a Moderator, childish, stupid and in the end got us know where.

Thanks for your comments & positive feedback.

Ven ;)

[HunterICX]

Still I have to apologize for the ''Drama-queen'' part.
sorry about that.

I know the presure modders work under sometimes, also as the SH franchice is the most active part of this forum its also thanks to the modders it has been growing big the last couple of years. when I joined it was a calm sea, in 3 years it has turned into an atlantic storm washing up new stuff for the game on the beach everytime I look in the section.

HunterICX

[Dowly]

I've seen forums with for example links hidden until you reply to the thread, only then the link comes visible. But that would result to a unneccessary spam. Then, of course there's attachments, which then again wouldnt work in this case.

But to think of it, what's the big deal of ppl who arent registered, downloading the mods? :hmm:

[Kapitan_Phillips]

I make a point to thank the people who made the mods I use, and I readily recommend them to others. However, no-one can be forced to show gratitude and manners, so for the time being, you'll just have to put up with us regular member joes fawning over more things that go bleep and boom :smug:

[XabbaRus]

Well as a modder who was involved in SCX and before that early modding of EECH this has never occured to me and I don't agree with it.

If it si P2P like jimbuna then yea they should upload but it if it is a website like subsim then I don't think there is anything you can do about it. Neal will call the shots on that one.

In fact when the fixes and stuff for SHII were done it was a purchase only due to Neal having hired a programmer to fix various things.

I donwload skins from M4T for IL-2 and don't have an account there, I don't consider that leeching it is par for the course. People who are interested in SHIII and SHIV wil join here first as this is the only subsim dedicated web site and forum and so will post here before they download. For something that is free you can't force people to register, or they will register and take anyway.

[Ducimus]

Maybe i missed the obvious portion of this, but how does forcing someone to login so their not a "stowaway" in order to D/L change anything? The action of clicking a filefront link or other similar host is the same regardless if your logged in or not. Aside from that, links and info get spread all over the internet. Doing a little googling on my own work was surpising to me to say the least. I didn't think anything i did ever left subsim, that simply isn't true. And i'll wager its the same for every other mod as well.

Aside from that, people are only going to post if they feel like it - You can't make them. I'll wager theres plenty of (logged in) lurkers that d/l tell their hard drive is full of mods, and have not said a single word to anybody.

So if theres a point here, its flown over my head at 60,000 feet at mach 3.

[kurtz]

I think I may have been missing out on a common courtesy on these boards,as I don't think I've posted a thank you. The reason I don't is because the thread then becomes full of thank you notes and it's rather hard to find genuine comments and fixes.
Perhaps all modders could put a poll at the head of each thread with the choices of ,Awesome, great, Thanks for the effort and okay.

For all those modders, "I love you guys!". Sorry I forgot to say it a dozen times earlier.:)

[Venatore]

It's not just about saying thank you, the word leech is widely used on torrent sites for people who just take and not talk, so this is nothing new.

Like I said before, its not about putting modders in a glory spotlight, but about being part of a community.

[XabbaRus]

torrent is a different case altogether than mods hosted on a single server with a single download link.

[Venatore]

torrent is a different case altogether than mods hosted on a single server with a single download link.
If your happy with 895 Stowaways, than I can't argue with that.

[XabbaRus]

I'm not bothered I don't own the server Neal does and until he is unhappy with it it wil remain.

There is no obligation to give something back vs torrent.

I do think this is more about getting an ego boost thatn worrying about Neal's bandwidth.

[Venatore]

I do think this is more about getting an ego boost
Now I'm confused ? are you saying that in relation to me ? if you are that is not my inent and I'm wondering why you would relate that comment to me.

Can you please explain what you mean with regards to the above quote :hmm:

[Graf Paper]

As a relatively new but very active member of the community and longtime resident of the internet (anyone remember using Kermit?) I'm very puzzled over your position on this matter, Ven.

Here's where I see the disconnect in your reasoning...

You create mods with no regard for profit, purely for the love of the game and the pride in a job well done. Isn't it better for millions to actually see and use your creations than to restrict access to "members only"?

I'd say the fact that anyone bothers to use their time, bandwidth, and storage space is already an admission that your mod is obviously good enough to catch attention.

I truly do wish everyone who downloads anything offered up by the community would take the time to express their appreciation as a matter course because that's just good manners.

But locking the doors just to force such appreciation from people would make "thank-you" a meaningless platitude from "leechers" doing what they must to get the file ( and then they'd upload it elsewhere so others can download it without any restrictions or your knowledge ).


At one time, software was entirely free and freely shared, one person's source code being refined and improved by many. Then some young upstart got mad that his work wasn't being properly appreciated and began charging money for his programs. He publicly berated fellow computer enthusiasts for sharing things that took him so much effort to create.

Next thing you know, everyone was charging money for their software and almost none were sharing. Those who did continue to share became labeled as "pirates" and law-breakers.

That young man who started this trend was named Bill Gates.

If your own ego insists on requiring acknowledgement for your work, then keep your mods at BtS, where you must register to access downloads, or password protect your mods so people have to register and PM you for the password to unlock the ZIP file.

Just be prepared to see attention to your mods drop off when you do that.

I've lost count of the number of times I would pass on a mod, no matter how great it was, because the mod's site made you jump through hoops to get to the download.

I wish I had even a tenth of your modding skills, Venatore. I'd look upon every download of my mod as a source of pride because people thought it was too good to pass up!

Ubisoft has freely given you their goodwill by allowing you to create mods for their copyrighted work when they could just as easily sue you into oblivion for infringement.

Other modders have freely given you their knowledge and help, which they gained from long experience, so your own work could grow and improve.

This community has freely welcomed you with open arms and much appreciation for your mods and given you an outlet for your work to be noticed by millions of people.

Neal has freely given all of us a place to gather and share our thoughts, talents, feelings, and lives as a rowdy, goofy, and unique community.

As it has been said, "Freely you have been given, freely you must give."

You're a greatly talented modder, Venatore. I've said it before but I can still say it again with all sincerity...

Thank you for sharing your mods and the hard work you put into these fantastic creations! :yep: :up: :rock: